On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:11, RGC0013@aol.com wrote: Robert, I cannot tell you specifically how group 5 relates to Tim Couch -- seems I read on this site that he (Tim) is a descendant of Martin Couch, as I am. Perhaps others are aware of facts in the relationship. If it is true, I certainly will claim him. There are not many Couch folk that are as well known as Tim -- actually none I know of. I bet Windwalker knows about Tim. Ron Couch Tim is on Martin Couch line via Ira. Tim was born in 1977 and is the son of Elbert Wayne Couch and Janice Johnson His Great Grandfather is Red Bige Couch Tims middle name is Scott. In 1998 he was canidate for the Heisman Tropy He owns property in Big Willard {Leslie Co} His parents own property next to ours in Perry Last time I known Tim was in florida. Have no idea of "group 5" thats a AR thing or AL. Sam