Ok I just posted another new chart for Jeff Wayne Couch At. http://www.couchgenweb.com/couch2/mjohnc.htm Not much is know about this John, Should be on the 1860 in Ky but has not been found yet. Also if anyone is connected to this chart please let us know your connection so we can show it on the chart and add you as a researcher. Jeff has also ordered the DNA test so we will be able to place this one in a group (We hope) At least we will have some idea of what we are up against. Bill Couch