On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 12:16, Lee wrote: Got a question > Everyone mentions Ny/Ct/RI/NJ/Pa/Va/ but has anyone done research on the Delaware bunch of Couch people? This may or may not be a Couch but I did find in 1715 a reference in a will of Job Brewster Apr 14, 1715 and May 31 1715 Cornelius Coach. in will of John Patterson Aug 16, 1750 Sept 27 1750 Wife Mary Patterson (from Ireland) sister Judith Welsh Exec. Thomas Cooch in will Sarah Belew June 7 1783 Oct 28 1783 son Thomas, dau Sarah Belew, dau Elizabeth Gist Exec. Thomas Couch Jr. Thomas Cooch Jr. Dec 28 1784 Feb 3 1785 Wife Sarah, sons: Thomas, Francis and William. dau" Elizabeth Maxwell. Thomas Cooch Dec 17 1780 Nov 24 1788 wife Sarah son Thomas: grandchildren Thomas, Francis and William Cooch, Elizabeth Cooch; Sarah, Dorcas and Mary Armitage and William Simonton; dau Frances Elizabeth Simonton. Exec. son in law John Simonton and Alexander McBeth will of Thomas Evans Sept 4 1796 Sept 20 1796 Wife Frances Lowan Evans; son Thomas dau Elzabeth sister Jane Thompson, three nephews Joseph, Thomas, Nathaniel Evans David, sons of sister Ann David, Jane Thompson's son in law, John Jones. Exec. Robert Middleton and William Cooch Simonton. These are all on the Calendar of Delaware Wills, New Castle Co., 1682-1800. Nancy Certainly would be well worth the effort to do so ! Myself I have concentrated on VA/PA area for the present digging for one key family person. It should be noted strong evidence denotes the Couch clan did change spellings. It may have to do with the Tory,s Loyalists. Im not sure whom is the oldest proven Couch in NC that may have been from northern regions. It appears most are stuck on assumming they were from Jamestown/Williamsburg area. But consideration is not given to the coastal brigs that ran down the coast to other areas, once the immigration port had been landed.The transportation system via the coast was really rather complex. And most were not documented I.E land Deleware.... year later take a coastal on down to other areas. I also highly wonder if the taker of the info for the time new how to spell the last name?? Its highly clear in alot of census records they had not a clue so a varient spelling was placed. Ive found this in VA records where a land deed was drawn up and the body of the legal description was given THEN they wrote the "apparent" spelling of the name.... But when the person signed it, it was different. It would be interesting to see, what and whom came into Deleware with the Couch name and in what time frame. I know one thing the Brewsters and the Gists were well known familys of the time. So inner marriage with Couch people should be well documented. A well known ship company that handled transport of people and goods from Nothern areas to southern areas was the Bacon Co having a total of some 20 odd ships. Yes Deleware/NJ/CT woould be a absolute good place to check, if you have a known person you are looking for.

Got a question > Everyone mentions Ny/Ct/RI/NJ/Pa/Va/ but has anyone done research on the Delaware bunch of Couch people? This may or may not be a Couch but I did find in 1715 a reference in a will of Job Brewster Apr 14, 1715 and May 31 1715 Cornelius Coach. in will of John Patterson Aug 16, 1750 Sept 27 1750 Wife Mary Patterson (from Ireland) sister Judith Welsh Exec. Thomas Cooch in will Sarah Belew June 7 1783 Oct 28 1783 son Thomas, dau Sarah Belew, dau Elizabeth Gist Exec. Thomas Couch Jr. Thomas Cooch Jr. Dec 28 1784 Feb 3 1785 Wife Sarah, sons: Thomas, Francis and William. dau" Elizabeth Maxwell. Thomas Cooch Dec 17 1780 Nov 24 1788 wife Sarah son Thomas: grandchildren Thomas, Francis and William Cooch, Elizabeth Cooch; Sarah, Dorcas and Mary Armitage and William Simonton; dau Frances Elizabeth Simonton. Exec. son in law John Simonton and Alexander McBeth will of Thomas Evans Sept 4 1796 Sept 20 1796 Wife Frances Lowan Evans; son Thomas dau Elzabeth sister Jane Thompson, three nephews Joseph, Thomas, Nathaniel Evans David, sons of sister Ann David, Jane Thompson's son in law, John Jones. Exec. Robert Middleton and William Cooch Simonton. These are all on the Calendar of Delaware Wills, New Castle Co., 1682-1800. Nancy --- Windwalker <windwalker@fastmail.fm> wrote: > On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 23:10, Sarah Rierson wrote: > This is probably a dumb question...but I have to > ask it anyway. > > Do people ever record copies of their family > histories in their states historical libraries? > > I vaguely remember someone in the family > saying that such had been done in our > family....which one????. > > ...who knows... > > .but have a feeling that it might be COUCH. > > I have a letter written by a grandson of John D. > Couch (DOB 2/10/1832 Luenberg, > > VA) saying that the Couches came to the states > with Peter Stuyvesant.....settling in NY. > > (The same J. D. Couch is also my grandfather). > Any one have history on this item. > > Hopefully there is some truth to this and not > just something for some good laughs. > > Sarah Rierson > iowamom@prairieinet.net > > > Sarah: > > It would ne best to research Peter Stuyvesant and > party first in NY. > Then find out all you can of the area and its > migration patterns. Couch > people settled in NY/CT/NJ/RI before "some" went on > down to PA/Va and > later other areas. > As far as submitting family records to a historical > center. They first > must be highly documented and pass a rigid check. > Then "some" local > state agencys will take them based on local > history. > As far as just a "genealogy file" submitted to said. > They will not take > them in most cases. There has to be some > significance in the family or > submitted file for them to have. > I would not truse a "letter" written by a old family > member as "proof". > It is a starting point indeed to document the > lineage. > To many fables are started in false family reports > from long ago. I am > not saying this is one. Just merely that you are > lucky to have the info > to start the paper trail to documented lineage. > Couch clan came from > several different areas in the old world.. some > welsh, some english > {mostly} some Austria/german.. > I would start with the Peter Stuyvesant landing > point and backtrack, > thus leading to VA {hopefully} in the long run. > Be highly advised alot of the "internet files" one > see,s on the net are > wrong and full of mis info. So hard copy > documentation is a must!!! > Then you can blow everybody away and tell them their > "files" suck, as > you have hard copy proof ! not copied internet > files. > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Ellen, My husband is the Couch descendant. He's from the Crawford Co., Ark bunch. May family surnames are Jarrel, Claxton, Mathis, Mooney, Sills, Duncan and Graham. But we've already published a Claxton family history book where I found 2 Couch women married to Claxton men here in Ok. Can't get much on there backgrounds. In fact nothing at all so far. My Jarrel family lived in Tishomingo. My dad has an infant sister buried there. I think it was Tishomingo or Grandma and grandpa married there in 1905. Been awhile since I looked at that info. Will see if I can locat anything at all. Nancy --- emcht <emcht@oecadvantage.net> wrote: > Thanks, I was told and didn't follow any more that > there were no obits for > her. She died in 1922 in Johnston Co,OK and she is > buried in the Bee > Cemetery which is east and a little south of > Tishomingo. There is and was > a small town called Bee and there is still a grade > school there plus a small > cafe and we stopped in the cafe and looked at a > small local map the owner > had and the residence of some of the children were > noted. The Bee cemetery > is still maintained and used and as one goes in the > gate in the front and > walk almost directly forward in a straight line her > headstone is there. On > one side is my father (while facing the headstone of > my grandmother) he is > one the left and another son is on the right however > his headstone is a > large rock. An aunt is buried I believe east of > these three ( nearer the > entrance gate) and she has her small infant buried > with her also. Her name > is Girties Anderson Hunt but the headstone doesn't > have the name Anderson on > it. > > The land they owned (grandparents) is beneath what > is call Lake Texoma at > the present time. Would dearly love to have an > obits but haven't seen > anything yet. Also contacted the two funeral homes > in Tishomingo and they > did not have the records from that time. Seems that > at one time there were > two active funeral home there and there was feud or > some kind of > misunderstanding and one home burned there records. > Can't remember the > story I was told but I thought " Old girl your luck > is running true to > form". > Thanks for your reply. We live in Norman where are > you. ellen > > Are you another Couch relative? > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Sara, A lot of Libraries have Family Histories people have given to them. I know Birmingham Al Library has quite a few and even small libraries have family histories I have seen ones in small communities that are from the prominant families that the towns are named after and early settelers. They may not have all correct information but for locating someone it can be helpful. Than go from there. But some are very much right on the money. > On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 23:10, Sarah Rierson wrote: > This is probably a dumb question...but I have to ask it anyway. > > Do people ever record copies of their family histories in their states > historical libraries? > > I vaguely remember someone in the family saying that such had been done in > our family....which one????. > > ...who knows... > > .but have a feeling that it might be COUCH. > > I have a letter written by a grandson of John D. Couch (DOB 2/10/1832 > Luenberg, > > VA) saying that the Couches came to the states with Peter > Stuyvesant.....settling in NY. > > (The same J. D. Couch is also my grandfather). Any one have history on > this item. > > Hopefully there is some truth to this and not just something for some good > laughs. > > Sarah Rierson > iowamom@prairieinet.net > > > Sarah: > > It would ne best to research Peter Stuyvesant and party first in NY. > Then find out all you can of the area and its migration patterns. Couch > people settled in NY/CT/NJ/RI before "some" went on down to PA/Va and > later other areas. > As far as submitting family records to a historical center. They first > must be highly documented and pass a rigid check. Then "some" local > state agencys will take them based on local history. > As far as just a "genealogy file" submitted to said. They will not take > them in most cases. There has to be some significance in the family or > submitted file for them to have. > I would not truse a "letter" written by a old family member as "proof". > It is a starting point indeed to document the lineage. > To many fables are started in false family reports from long ago. I am > not saying this is one. Just merely that you are lucky to have the info > to start the paper trail to documented lineage. Couch clan came from > several different areas in the old world.. some welsh, some english > {mostly} some Austria/german.. > I would start with the Peter Stuyvesant landing point and backtrack, > thus leading to VA {hopefully} in the long run. > Be highly advised alot of the "internet files" one see,s on the net are > wrong and full of mis info. So hard copy documentation is a must!!! > Then you can blow everybody away and tell them their "files" suck, as > you have hard copy proof ! not copied internet files. > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My ggrandfather was Hilliard L. Couch and he died in OK. I think in Bryan co. Do you have him in your data base? Mary >From: "emcht" <emcht@oecadvantage.net> >Reply-To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] Re: grandmother buried in OK >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:04:53 -0500 > >If your grand was a Couch, send me his name and I will look thru my data >base. ellen >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental

Sarah I'm not laughing, I love to read those histories here in my hometown, of past pioneers. How & why the streets were layed out. I have found the records of my local church beginnings, founding fathers & their current family members. The birth of the hospital, location of the oldest tree in town. I know it's not a family history, but, someone took the time & effort to put together information for future generations. I say "Go girl" Vic

I know that some of you are working on different Couch lines and many years ago (1986) there was article that was in "The Virginia Genealogist, Vol 30, Number 4, Whole Number 120, October-December 1986 issue that deals with the Anderson/Couch connection. If you haven't seen the article it might be worth the time to write for a copy. Title: Anderson of Buckingham: A case study in Family reconstruction within a "burned" county. The connection between the Couch families and the Anderson families is very strong and this outlines in great detail these connection thru tax lists, land transaction, births, deaths, marriages, and WILLS. Very interesting reading and sources are noted that can be checked. Just a thought. ellen

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 23:10, Sarah Rierson wrote: This is probably a dumb question...but I have to ask it anyway. Do people ever record copies of their family histories in their states historical libraries? I vaguely remember someone in the family saying that such had been done in our family....which one????. ...who knows... .but have a feeling that it might be COUCH. I have a letter written by a grandson of John D. Couch (DOB 2/10/1832 Luenberg, VA) saying that the Couches came to the states with Peter Stuyvesant.....settling in NY. (The same J. D. Couch is also my grandfather). Any one have history on this item. Hopefully there is some truth to this and not just something for some good laughs. Sarah Rierson iowamom@prairieinet.net Sarah: It would ne best to research Peter Stuyvesant and party first in NY. Then find out all you can of the area and its migration patterns. Couch people settled in NY/CT/NJ/RI before "some" went on down to PA/Va and later other areas. As far as submitting family records to a historical center. They first must be highly documented and pass a rigid check. Then "some" local state agencys will take them based on local history. As far as just a "genealogy file" submitted to said. They will not take them in most cases. There has to be some significance in the family or submitted file for them to have. I would not truse a "letter" written by a old family member as "proof". It is a starting point indeed to document the lineage. To many fables are started in false family reports from long ago. I am not saying this is one. Just merely that you are lucky to have the info to start the paper trail to documented lineage. Couch clan came from several different areas in the old world.. some welsh, some english {mostly} some Austria/german.. I would start with the Peter Stuyvesant landing point and backtrack, thus leading to VA {hopefully} in the long run. Be highly advised alot of the "internet files" one see,s on the net are wrong and full of mis info. So hard copy documentation is a must!!! Then you can blow everybody away and tell them their "files" suck, as you have hard copy proof ! not copied internet files.

Sarah, Windwalker is correct -- document everything because there is a lot of misinformation floating around -- and not only about the Couch family. It is in most families I've found. And don't forget -- New York was once New Amsterdam and settled by Dutch. Joyce

This is probably a dumb question...but I have to ask it anyway. Do people ever record copies of their family histories in their states historical libraries? I vaguely remember someone in the family saying that such had been done in our family....which one????....who knows....but have a feeling that it might be COUCH. I have a letter written by a grandson of John D. Couch (DOB 2/10/1832 Luenberg, VA) saying that the Couches came to the states with Peter Stuyvesant.....settling in NY. (The same J. D. Couch is also my grandfather). Any one have history on this item. Hopefully there is some truth to this and not just something for some good laughs. Sarah Rierson iowamom@prairieinet.net

Hi Ellen, Thank you for the offer, but gr gramps wasn't a Couch. He was a Bradley usng the surname of Allen -- long story (aren't they all? LOL. Joyce

If your grand was a Couch, send me his name and I will look thru my data base. ellen ----- Original Message -----

Hi Ellen, Since you're in Norman you probably know of this already, but have you tried the newspaper archives at the Historical Library here in OKC? There might be something kept there. I wish you success in finding anything about your grandmother. I could never find anything about my gr grandfather in KY. Was told no one issued a death certificate for him back in the mountains. He died in 1916, before there was a newspaper there. Joyce

Thanks, I was told and didn't follow any more that there were no obits for her. She died in 1922 in Johnston Co,OK and she is buried in the Bee Cemetery which is east and a little south of Tishomingo. There is and was a small town called Bee and there is still a grade school there plus a small cafe and we stopped in the cafe and looked at a small local map the owner had and the residence of some of the children were noted. The Bee cemetery is still maintained and used and as one goes in the gate in the front and walk almost directly forward in a straight line her headstone is there. On one side is my father (while facing the headstone of my grandmother) he is one the left and another son is on the right however his headstone is a large rock. An aunt is buried I believe east of these three ( nearer the entrance gate) and she has her small infant buried with her also. Her name is Girties Anderson Hunt but the headstone doesn't have the name Anderson on it. The land they owned (grandparents) is beneath what is call Lake Texoma at the present time. Would dearly love to have an obits but haven't seen anything yet. Also contacted the two funeral homes in Tishomingo and they did not have the records from that time. Seems that at one time there were two active funeral home there and there was feud or some kind of misunderstanding and one home burned there records. Can't remember the story I was told but I thought " Old girl your luck is running true to form". Thanks for your reply. We live in Norman where are you. ellen Are you another Couch relative?

Ellen, did you try the local newspapers for her obituary? If you'll send me a few details will be glad to see if I can find it. I live in Oklahoma. Don't know where you are. Nancy --- emcht <emcht@oecadvantage.net> wrote: > Let me share a story with you about the line of > Couch DNA that I come from. > My grandmother was Ora Emma Couch dau of Orrel G. > Couch who is the son of > John Couch who died in KY in 1840. Now this is > where the fun comes in> > > On a death certificate of one of the sons of Ora > Emma Couch in the place for > the last name of the mother (who was Ora Emma Couch) > the person furnishing > the info stated "Unknown". OK that isn't that big a > deal, I suppose, but > when I went to the Bureau of Vital Statistics in > Oklahoma City, OK and > requested a copy of her death certificate they told > me she was listed as > dead. However they were gracious and kept my ten > dollars just to keep the > records straight. I then went to the court house > in the county where she > lived at her death and got the court proceedings > when they cleared the > estate. Listing all the sons, their wives and my > grandfather but no death > date so the moral of this story is my grandmother is > in never-never land and > has been since 1922. Statistics may not lie but > statisticians surely do > good searching. ellen > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 00:54, emcht wrote: Let me share a story with you about the line of Couch DNA that I come from. My grandmother was Ora Emma Couch dau of Orrel G. Couch who is the son of John Couch who died in KY in 1840. Now this is where the fun comes in> > On a death certificate of one of the sons of Ora Emma Couch in the place for the last name of the mother (who was Ora Emma Couch) the person furnishing the info stated "Unknown". OK that isn't that big a deal, I suppose, but when I went to the Bureau of Vital Statistics in Oklahoma City, OK and requested a copy of her death certificate they told me she was listed as dead. However they were gracious and kept my ten dollars just to keep the records straight. I then went to the court house in the county where she lived at her death and got the court proceedings when they cleared the estate. Listing all the sons, their wives and my grandfather but no death date so the moral of this story is my grandmother is in never-never land and has been since 1922. Statistics may not lie but statisticians surely do good searching. ellen So are you on the Ira Couch side? I know istances of where they died and was not repprted to the next year. Was rampant in Ky, as the mountains were froze and ground to hard to dig.. So they laid them over till spring. Happened in my line a few times A for courthouses... they are in a worls of their own on some matters

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 00:23, Bill Couch wrote: I see what you are getting at. also that John Couch is not a descendant of the Old Simeon Couch line, That is if Martin Couch is that John Couch Son. The DNA test have Alread proved that. Thomas Couch And Elizabeth Jessup family is a descendant of Simon Couch of Fairfield Ct. I made no mention of Thomas in this post, I refered to "mis info" on the web and on internet trees that present mis-info. No doubt its proven locked up tight and nailed shut Martin is the son of John Couch of Kentucky.Thats not DNA nor "internet files" That documented family history non verbal. I have two family bibles one of William Couch whom married Eliza Baker and another. Both clearly show the line down to them in the close family unit. No mention as to Johns parents or brothers sisters BTW did you see my yesterdays post on WHO set the date for John Couch birth of 1750? Was it somehow just assummed or was it you in the quest for placement of Thomas Couch. I just wondered, and if It was a old JP Doward file...non documented John Couch of Kentucky did indeed die in Kentucky in 1830.. He was listed as age 86. That would make his birth 1744. well within the bounds for one of the migrating familys from northern regions. I dont think our John {me & others} was born NC, as the published tree indicates. I do believe he was form Northern states and came into Northern Va, not the eastern side. I myself would like to see a Crouch dna cross match to Couch form colonial lines. To many indications lead one to believe they were both in the same. A land deed in Va was made out to John Crouch but signed by John Couch. The historical data in Parson Wva indicate that a John Crouch settled there, but in later documents it was changed to John Couch. deeds back up this . Correction Land Grant via the Crown. In conclusion do you have any idea where the birthdate for John Couch came from? As there is no record of his birth, someone had to come up with it. If there is a source for his birthdate , then his parents have to be so noted...

Let me share a story with you about the line of Couch DNA that I come from. My grandmother was Ora Emma Couch dau of Orrel G. Couch who is the son of John Couch who died in KY in 1840. Now this is where the fun comes in> > On a death certificate of one of the sons of Ora Emma Couch in the place for the last name of the mother (who was Ora Emma Couch) the person furnishing the info stated "Unknown". OK that isn't that big a deal, I suppose, but when I went to the Bureau of Vital Statistics in Oklahoma City, OK and requested a copy of her death certificate they told me she was listed as dead. However they were gracious and kept my ten dollars just to keep the records straight. I then went to the court house in the county where she lived at her death and got the court proceedings when they cleared the estate. Listing all the sons, their wives and my grandfather but no death date so the moral of this story is my grandmother is in never-never land and has been since 1922. Statistics may not lie but statisticians surely do good searching. ellen

I think the original statement of purpose included the Crouch name if you go read about the Couch project at FTDNA. Bill....did they ever receive an "invitation"? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <W2305W@aol.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Montgomery Joseph Couch > My mistake, sorry, I was on Genfourm on Crouch page. But the were looking for > Randolph DNA. (after a second look) > It wouldn't be a bad idea if they would start one. I bet there will be some > matches to Couch !! > Vic > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My mistake, sorry, I was on Genfourm on Crouch page. But the were looking for Randolph DNA. (after a second look) It wouldn't be a bad idea if they would start one. I bet there will be some matches to Couch !! Vic