Robert, I cannot tell you specifically how group 5 relates to Tim Couch -- seems I read on this site that he (Tim) is a descendant of Martin Couch, as I am. Perhaps others are aware of facts in the relationship. If it is true, I certainly will claim him. There are not many Couch folk that are as well known as Tim -- actually none I know of. I bet Windwalker knows about Tim. Ron Couch

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 19:12, Windwalker wrote: On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 06:19, Bill Couch wrote: Ok I have another Question, How many still thinks that this John Couch who married Elizabeth James is a son of the old Thomas, If so is the Joseph who was there also a son of old Thomas, He did have a son name Joseph also. For some reason I have always had my doubts about the group that went to Franklin Co.Ga and then to Bedford Co. Tenn. as being the son of old Thomas, But I can't prove it either way, and I really don't think anyone else can either. Both John's are about the same age and both Joseph are about the same age. Less hear everyone opinion on this. Bill Couch Well now you asked, and I will unload ! {grin} No dates for John Couch {married to Elizabeth} have ever been documented i.e birth or we would know his father and mother. Im thiking his reported birth date is off and needs to be earlier by 5-10 years. I was getting NOWHERE reading the NC info on him and as I seen it it was beating a deadhorse trying to pin him down in NC or even having him acknowledged. After all he is just sitting there in a genalogy void. Bit with extensive readin of VA/Wva history and accounts. I am more convinced than ever he and Joseph are brothers. I dont know if its the same line of John/Joseph on your side or not. Yours shows Buckingham I believe in Va. and then to TN?? Was this before NC let TN lands go?? I dont know John {married Elizabeth} is the son of Thomas.. Or even have reference to it. I do have accounts of John/Joseph having been in western VA. then NC I have found no direct documents or accounts of Thomas being close to John/Joseph. I have found Austin and also Ance in the same areas in 1740-1765 timeframes. All within a days ride. It is also noted that this "john/joseph that I speak of are noted for being WEST of the mountain range not EAST. Therefore denoting the eastern migration path possible down from PA or Ct having decended in one accound the Ohio Basin and in another counter claim into western VA to the New river to Charleston {present day Wva} thence down the Kananwha to the Ohio. Accounts goes both ways on this. "A" John and Joseph are always close together in VA and also NC till 1806 ish.... A older Joseph Couch never showed up in Kentucky like John whom married elizabeth did. I think this due to the close ties of the Calloway family/Combs and Campbells I believe John had more involvement with them. waht I would be interested in , is knowing if Thomas Couch had any Tory or Loyalist ties. In conclusion I think the dates are on on the John Couch of Ky as to his birth. I think Joseph was and is his brother.. I have no knowledge if their father was Thomas or not. I do have knowledge that a Austin Couch brn abt 1734-1740 was in some way relation. I do think the John couch of Ky was prior linked in some way to the Lewis family and the Calloways and Combs. How that is linked I dont know.. But they sure turn up alot in same areas and I mean Close. Our John may have come from eastern Va on imagration of his family. But I think it more proper his family was from PA or northern colonies. I do think the john of Ky did indeed marry a Mary Boone. I dont believe at present she was Boone blood though, I forsee them being wed in Va and having stayed there till later 1770,s And having possible made trips into Nc. I believe the children of the union were born in Va having later settled in Nc As for the father of John or Joseph.. its a unknown at this time.. Unless I can find a Thomas Couch in Randolph or the Tygerts Valley area. I.e in or around the present day Parsons W Wa Has this been answered? Or has it to been bypassed

On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:11, RGC0013@aol.com wrote: Robert, I cannot tell you specifically how group 5 relates to Tim Couch -- seems I read on this site that he (Tim) is a descendant of Martin Couch, as I am. Perhaps others are aware of facts in the relationship. If it is true, I certainly will claim him. There are not many Couch folk that are as well known as Tim -- actually none I know of. I bet Windwalker knows about Tim. Ron Couch Tim is on Martin Cocuh line via Ira. Tim was born in 1977 and is the son of Elbert Wayne Couch and Janice Johnson Tims middle name is Scott. In 1998 he was canidate for the Heisman Tropy He owns property in Big Willard {Leslie Co} His parents own property next to ours in Perry Last time I known Tim was in florida. Have no idea of "group 5" thats a AR thing or AL. Sam

Hi Ron, Have a good time at the reunion and tell all the relatives I said "Hey, from Oklahoma"!!! And while you're there, spread the word -- we need all the help we can muster. cuzn Joyce

Ron, Glad to see you posting. Can you tell me again how you (and other group 5 Couch DNA members) relate to Tim Couch of Cleveland Browns. I have something down but I am not absolutely sure if it is correct. Take Care Cousin. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: RGC0013@aol.com >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] Re: test >Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2003, 11:49 AM > >Jo G, > >Maybe it's because there are so few branches? :-) > >Ron Couch > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks Kathryn, and thanks too for all the data bases on Lunenburg. I just got back from there and what you have was far more informative than what I learned on my trip. I could have stayed home and just depended upon you. However, seeing Lunenburg VA and Couches Creek there where our Thomas Couch lived as early as 1720 was worth the trip. Really thrilling. My earliest Alabama Couches were recorded in Madison County, Al (then Mississippi Territory) on January 9th, Mississippi Territory Census. Counted were four Couches. John Couch Sr, John Couch Jr. and Thomas Couch. All three I thind were mine. John Sr was father to Thomas who is mine. All three of these Couches had 162 acre farms on Indian Creek which flows into the Tennessee river. There was also a Nicholas Couch there at the time and he lived on Flint River. FAMILY oral history holds that my Couch family came to Alabama from Tennessee. A. J. Drew Couch and his mom also have our John Couch coming to north Alabama from Tennessee. Bill Couch believes that my folks were in Lincoln County, Tennessee. As you recall when we first met you in Shelbyville, TN I was looking for those Couches (not Bedford Co Couches) but finally just gave up since I could not find any. Now, I think I need to look again. Let me know where best to Look for Couches in Lincoln County, TN. Take care and thanks for all your contributions to Couch research. Bob Couch ---------- >From: Kathryn Hopkins <kathopkins@yahoo.com> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] Lincoln County, TN >Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2003, 7:39 AM > >Hi Bob, > >I have a few Lincoln County books so give me a few days to type up >some information. After that, if you still need more info, I can run >over to Lincoln County and look some more. > >Send along the names of your connections in Madison County, AL as >that will give me a starting point. > >Best regards, >Kathryn > > >--- "Couch, Robert H. " <rcouchauburn@mindspring.com> wrote: >> Kathryn, >> >> Thanks so much for the complete works of Couch marriages in Orange >> County, >> NC. I found some I was not aware of. >> >> Now I need your help. I want to study all the Couches who came to >> Lincoln >> County, TN in early 1800s. >> What guidance can you give me of where to search. I am still >> looking for >> some of the Couches who were related to us who moved there and >> later showed >> up in Madison County, AL. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Bob Couch > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Joe G Looking over my notes I find that I did record two and was a bit puzzled at the time. Thomas Couch married Elizabeth Dunn on Aug 14, 1826 (p. 407 Bell). Then on Aug 24, 1826 only ten days later I have recorded that Thomas Couch m Frances Dunn in Lunenburg Co, VA. In reviewing the data sent by Kathryn Hopkins she did not have the Frances Dunn and Thomas Couch marriage so perhaps I was mistaken. She did have the Thomas Couch and Elizabeth Dunn marrriage of Aug 14, 1826. ---------- >From: JoGordon@webtv.net (Joann Gordon) >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] anyone there? >Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2003, 11:47 AM > >Bob, > Maybe her name was Francis Elizabeth. Just a thought. > Jo G > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Joyce, No good excuse. I sure need to get off my butt. Maybe the Couch reunion will inspire a bunch of us. My brother and I plan on being there, at least for Sunday. Cuzn Ron

Jo G, Maybe it's because there are so few branches? :-) Ron Couch

Hi Ron, If there's so few of us, why don't we try to recruit some more and do some heavy duty reseach on our Couch, Boone, Campbell,Lewis lines ?? Anyone out there ?? cuzn Joyce

Bob, Maybe her name was Francis Elizabeth. Just a thought. Jo G

Windwalker said, "You will find few Kentucky lines being discussed here"... I'm sorry to hear that. Is that because there are very many of us researching our family, or what? Jo G

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 05:00, Joann Gordon wrote: Well, my test went through ok, so guess I'm not unsubbed. Where is everyone -- on vacation or what? I keep hoping to see more stuff come through on the KY Couch lines. My line goes back to old John AND his wife Elizabeth. I mainly lurk - hoping to finding something new. Thanks to all. Jo G You will find little Kentucky lines being exchanged here. Most all is southern lines or DNA for same... or Old Thomas line.

Thanks Bill, My notes lists both dates and both brides. I do not know which is correct. My source is Bell, Landon (1928) The Ole Free State; A contribution to History of Lunenburg County an d Southside Virginia. Richmond: William Byrd Press (pages 407 for Dunn marriage and page 451 for Frances Dunn). Both in 1826 both to Dunns and all within a few days of each other. I must go back and check this record from Volume One of Bell's book. Thanks. Did you know that some of the Couches were still in Lunenburg County, VA that late in the day? Bob Couch ---------- >From: Bill Couch <bcouch@CouchGenweb.com> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] anyone there? >Date: Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 7:07 PM > >Robert the LDS has a marriage date for Thomas Couch and Elizabeth Dunn >as 14 Aug 1826 but does not have one for Thomas And Francis Dunn. > >Now the chart I have at >http://www.couchgenweb.com/couch2/john3.htm > >This is not that John and Elizabeth, I think this John was born 1793 and >a son of a Thomas and unknow. > >The Thomas and unknow also had son the abvove John 1793, Joshua 1805 >,Ellis 1810 and William T 1814 > >The Above John Couch descendants made it into Missouri. but I have not >been able to locate a Joshua, Ellis or William T. to match up with those >dates? > >Does anyone have a census that will match up with any of them ? > >We Don't have anyone from this line to take the DNA test yet either. > >Bill Couch > > Then went to Luneburg County, VA. What a >> surprise! It is so tiny. Only a courthouse, a few other county government >> buildings a little conviencde store. I was informed there was no library >> there but of one existing in anothe nearby town of Victoria. Spent several >> hours there and saw much of what you had already sent me earlier. I do not >> know if you have the record of Thomas Whitworth's will (father of Mary >> Whitworth who married your Edward) but I copied the information down anyway >> should you need it. Has Thomas Whitworth's wife, and all his childrens >> names plus the married names of his daughters. >> >> One interesting fact was that there was a Cinthy Couch m in 1817,Thomas and >> Elizabeth Dunn Couch (m 1826) in Luneburg County in the early 1800s >> (1817-1830). Marriage records show several Couches in this family >> including: Eleanor, Phobee, another Thomas who married Frances Dunn in 1826. >> >> Another source listed James Couch and Rawley Couch as REV War soldiers from >> VA not necessarily from Luneburg Co, VA. >> >> One J. W. Couch was later in the Luneburg Light Dragoons during the Civil >> War. >> >> So, we did not get any real new stuff but it was great to visit and see >> Hillsboro, NC, Lunenburg and Couches Creek. >> >> Also found a number of Couch neighbores who later show up near the Couches >> in NC/SC including: >> Michael Waldrop who married a Couch girl, David and William Stroud. A James >> Meredith whose daughter Ann may have married John Couch Sr (son of Ole >> Thomas) was admitted to practice law in Luneburg County in 1746 the year >> Lunenburg became a separate county from Brunswick. >> >> All in all a great trip although I did not find any useful information. I >> saw one reference saying the best place to study genealogy in U. S. was >> probably Raleigh, NC. I did not go there but perhaps that is where we >> should have our next COUCH REsearch Convention. >> >> Bob Couch >> >From: "Danny Couch" <dccouch@pinn.net> >> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: Re: [COUCH] anyone there? >> >Date: Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 9:38 AM >> > >> >> >Hey Joyce, >> >I couldn't make it to Raleigh NC to meet with Robert Hill Couch. He and I >> >corresponded offlist about this and he is there by himself, I think he will >> >be back in AL on Monday. Danny Couch >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> >> >To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> >> >Sent: August 23, 2003 10:43 AM >> >Subject: Re: [COUCH] anyone there? >> > >> > >> >> Are Robert and Danny both in NC and/or VA doing research? >> >> Joyce >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> >go to: >> >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Bob, I have a few Lincoln County books so give me a few days to type up some information. After that, if you still need more info, I can run over to Lincoln County and look some more. Send along the names of your connections in Madison County, AL as that will give me a starting point. Best regards, Kathryn --- "Couch, Robert H. " <rcouchauburn@mindspring.com> wrote: > Kathryn, > > Thanks so much for the complete works of Couch marriages in Orange > County, > NC. I found some I was not aware of. > > Now I need your help. I want to study all the Couches who came to > Lincoln > County, TN in early 1800s. > What guidance can you give me of where to search. I am still > looking for > some of the Couches who were related to us who moved there and > later showed > up in Madison County, AL. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Bob Couch __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Hi Bill, Take a look on the following link. There are 15 COUCH entries of which 5 could be your William T. Couch? LUNENBURG COUNTY, VIRGINIA - DEATH REGISTER 1853 - 1870 http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/vitals/death001.txt ---> These Lunenburg County, VA links also have at least one COUCH listing in each link: Deaths ======= http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/vitals/dea6566.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/vitals/lundeath.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/vitals/dea1859.txt Marriages ========= http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/vitals/marriages/bell9b.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/vitals/marriages/bell422.txt Census (Thomas and Wm T. Couch listed in the first few links) ======= http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1820indx.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1830indx.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1840indx.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1850indx.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1850lune.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1860/index-a-l.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1860/pg00001.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/cens1860.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1900/pleasantgrove.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1900/lochleven.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1910/imgindx.txt Wills ===== http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/wills/willbk14.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/wills/1746-1825-a.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/wills/1746-1825-b.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/wills/willbk10.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/wills/willbk13.txt Medical license =================== *** for John R. Couch - note he was born in Orange County, NC on October 31, 1869 http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/court/1913/c2000000.txt Hope you find some new information. Your Wm. T. and Lucy Couch are listed in the 1860 Census link above, ages 45 and 44, respectively. Kathryn --- Bill Couch <bcouch@CouchGenweb.com> wrote: > My last message had a William T. Couch listed as being born 1814. > I think I found him on the 1850 census I have listed at > > http://www.couchgenweb.com/couch/census/virginia.htm > > Now can anyone check the 1860 and see if he is still listed? > > And if so does anyone have any info on him. > > Bill Couch > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 03:52, Bill Couch wrote: That should have been Does not have a place of Death on them. I use the old Paf program to create those charts. It only Give a place of Birth. and the year of birth and Death if I know them. Bill well then provide me documentation of her death year and place. as well as Johns birth. There is no documentation on it at present The whole state of NC has no record of her death NOR marriage as claimed in charts for Orange Co NC.. Its key to get this imaginary info removed. Countless hours and funds have been spent pouring over records to not have proven whats posted on chart The origianl info you have up is the origianl JP Doward file, that does not have source not proof. Seems if you have hs birth year you would have to have his parents, would you not? It also seems that if you have Johns and Marys Marriage you would have the file record or marriage bond.. And it also seems, that a DOD in ashe would be at hand for 1782. Again note there was No Ashe Co in 1782

On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 03:49, Bill Couch wrote: None of the charts have a place of death on them. The Chart at http://www.couchgenweb.com/couch/johnc.htm So far I have not see anything posted that was require much of a change. If you have a document that will let us know you have the same John and have a place of brith & Death for him and his wife with dates I would love to have them. Bill Couch The request was based on historical fact of the demographic area not on a "death".. As far as supplying " proof its the right one??? well if its not then why you have it posted ???? As it took NO documentation to get your chart up. The request context you dismissed or overlooked. It was a request to change the county of the asummed death as its impossible for her to have died in ashe co in approx 1782. As Ive prior noted Ashe was not formed till 1799. Therefore its a mis indication of the fact for new people researching a line. . Another point I may add for your info, there is a wealth of info on this list, that is being with held by the kentucky Couch lineage. Simply for the reson, we seem to get nowhere, when presenting facts or theory. You info is WRONG on your site as to the historical facts of the formed county i.e place of death. The request still stands.. unless you want to bypass totally the historical fact of forming the NC counties. See prior link sent in original post as to the date of formation of said. And I should add now while Im at it. I so note on the Martin Couch line some people have added lineage without fact or proof. I know one that has absolute no documetation as to their line or even they are a Couch, yet you added their "projected lineage" I.E they were adopted and have no proof they are even a Couch Also In speaking with Ida Hancel, she did NOT give permission for you to list her email address nor lineage..As Im in contact with her almost daily. She wondered how you got the info to post on her. She did say you emailed her once. But she didnt want her personal info posted. I speak for several Ky Couch clan. that have posted to this forum, to be bypassed. It seems this list is soley based on the AR/NC lines relating to your lineage. Thats how I see it and a few others. Request stands proof of county forming date provided.

That should have been Does not have a place of Death on them. I use the old Paf program to create those charts. It only Give a place of Birth. and the year of birth and Death if I know them. Bill > > None of the charts have a place of death on them. > The Chart at > http://www.couchgenweb.com/couch/johnc.htm > > So far I have not see anything posted that was require much of a change. > If you have a document that will let us know you have the same John and > have a place of brith & Death for him and his wife with dates I would > love to have them. > > Bill Couch > > > > > Bill would you be so kind as to change the place of death for John > > Couch,s > > first wife Mary. From deceased Ashe Co 1781 > > To deceased in Wilkes Co. > > Info so provided will explain the change. Ashe was not a Co till 1799. > > http://www.martygrant.com/gen/refs/nccounty.htm > > > > If the date of death is near correct, its impossible for her to have > > died in Ashe Co. > > The records would be in Wilkes. Co which formed in 1777 from Surry. > > > > As it stands now all think the real place of death is in Ashe and > > therfore seek records there, of which there is none. The original source > > for this was : > > Info on death furnished by Gladys K Frazier of Perry Co Ky > > And Westland MI 31640 > > Fairchild % Carolyn Hatten, Westland MI 48185 > > Lives in Letcher Co {Whitesburg} in summer is Granddaughter of Rebecca > > Campbell and Polly Stacy > > JP Doward then published that. > > Later confirmationn is that Gladys reported it "as she heard it" > > > > At present this is a stumbling block for alot of new people, as well as > > oldsters. > > Would you be so kind to change on your website. > > > > Also later I will provide documentation and source info that John Couch > > of Kentucky > > that had land in Orange/Wilkes Co was the brother of Joseph Couch brn > > 1745. > > Both migrated from Montgomery Co Va into Nc and later John went to Ky > > Joseph > > went back to Va > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Hey Bill how about answering this request. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

None of the charts have a place of death on them. The Chart at http://www.couchgenweb.com/couch/johnc.htm So far I have not see anything posted that was require much of a change. If you have a document that will let us know you have the same John and have a place of brith & Death for him and his wife with dates I would love to have them. Bill Couch > > Bill would you be so kind as to change the place of death for John > Couch,s > first wife Mary. From deceased Ashe Co 1781 > To deceased in Wilkes Co. > Info so provided will explain the change. Ashe was not a Co till 1799. > http://www.martygrant.com/gen/refs/nccounty.htm > > If the date of death is near correct, its impossible for her to have > died in Ashe Co. > The records would be in Wilkes. Co which formed in 1777 from Surry. > > As it stands now all think the real place of death is in Ashe and > therfore seek records there, of which there is none. The original source > for this was : > Info on death furnished by Gladys K Frazier of Perry Co Ky > And Westland MI 31640 > Fairchild % Carolyn Hatten, Westland MI 48185 > Lives in Letcher Co {Whitesburg} in summer is Granddaughter of Rebecca > Campbell and Polly Stacy > JP Doward then published that. > Later confirmationn is that Gladys reported it "as she heard it" > > At present this is a stumbling block for alot of new people, as well as > oldsters. > Would you be so kind to change on your website. > > Also later I will provide documentation and source info that John Couch > of Kentucky > that had land in Orange/Wilkes Co was the brother of Joseph Couch brn > 1745. > Both migrated from Montgomery Co Va into Nc and later John went to Ky > Joseph > went back to Va > > Thanks > > > Hey Bill how about answering this request. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237