On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 14:38, Couch, Robert H. wrote: Sam, I got your listing of Tim Couch's line. 3,700 pages! No wonder my computer refused to accept your work. I overwhelmed it. But, with the careful documentation and sources you must have surely you can fathom a hypothesis about the common ancestor that Ron Couch and I have. I have documented evidence that Thomas Couch recieved land in Brunswick County, VA in 1720 (This Brunswick County area became Lunenburg Co, VA in 1746. There is a Couches creek just west of Lunenburg community and my sources say that is the area where Thomas Couched lived. There is evidence that Thomas Couch married an Elizabeth and had a son named Matthew in 1725. There are also land records that show a Thomas Couch giving/selling some of his land to Thomas Couch Jr. My projection that the Thomas Couch Jr that was born in 1720 was also the son of Thomas and Elizabeth. Other Brunswick County records show a William Couch and a James Couch there as well. Thus we have documented proof that the Couch family of Brunswick Co, VA had citizens there named Thomas Sr, Thomas Jr, Matthew, James and William. HOtten's list also names Thomas, William and James in VA in 1830. Orange County NC land records (I have an official map) shows that William and Thomas have land grants there near Hillsborough, NC and James Couch is nearby. Next we find Thomas Jr in Spartanburg SC along the banks of the Enoree river there. With him is a Matthew Couch, William Couch, James Couch, John Couch, Middleton Couch, Joseph Couch, Z. A. Couch, Benjamin Couch, Drury Couch. WE know that the son of Thomas Jr was a John Couch b. Orange County, NC in 1745. Now I have had to fill in the dots to make the kind of conservation hypothesis that this is my line. The DNA test shows that Danny Couch of NC is from the line of Thomas Couch Sr's brother William Couch. Ron Couch of KY, Dr Richard Couch of Oklahoma, Robert Murphy Couch of AR and Al, Bob Couch of TN, and others all know we have a common ancestor somewhere. I think that ancestor is the Thomas and Elizabeth Couch of Lunenburg, VA or the father of Thomas Couch Sr of Brunswick/Lunenburg Co, VA. What do you think? Perhaps Thomas Couch SR came down from Pennsylvinia or Conneticut. I just do not knonw and have just about exausted my search. Robert H. Couch Thomas Jr/James John.Joseph have been found in western Va also. Joyce has found them all in one area along with Daniel Boone... all prior 1778. "If" Thomas shares a common bond I believe it will be from PA or nor'easternern states. The evidence will be turned up later in western VA. Sam

On Mon, 2003-09-01 at 13:56, Couch, Robert H. wrote: Sam, I do appreciate your sending me all your work. It is an honor to be trusted with a liftime of genealogy results. Unfortunately my computer would not download it saying I had insufficient memory. Man you work must certainly be huge. Thanks anyway. Since the DNA testing shows that Ron Couch and I share a common ancestor I shall be on the lookout for the parents of John Couch of Kentucky. Keep in touch Robert H. Couch Robert Its not my lifes work.. It was a file that was highly changed in later lines. early has lots errors. As for John.... The my Family group is hot on the trail of him. And recent findings has lead the search into VA. i.e we found him there prior NC It dont surprize me with the DNA. Innner marriage was common.

Bill, This is the area in which I have been searching for the family of my Susan Couch Cox. She was born around 1780, in upper S.C. About 1800 or so she married John Cox. They lived in the Marietta section of upper Greenville Co. S.C. Their children were; (boy's) William, John, Odam, Robert, and Ford. (girls) Precia, Amma, Nancy, Caroline, Elizabeth (Betsy) and Frances Margaret (Peggy). I have looked at all of the folks you listed, with no luck on connecting Susan to any of them. Several only appeared in one or another census, and then disappeared. If anyone has info on Susan's family I would love to hear it. Thanks, Eddie From: "Bill Couch" <bcouch@couchgenweb.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 11:52 PM Subject: [COUCH] Greenville Couch > I have been going over some old files. And would like to see if anyone > else is working on the Greenvile Couches. > > on the 1800 Census i have posted on the Couch page > > There is a Aaron listed, Does anyone have anything on him. > Also as you see there is two Benjamins, > My Benjamin died in Spartanburg Co. But the one in Spartanburg is not > him on the 1800 Census. > The one in Greenville is more correct with Children Just has a couple > listed that are not accounted for. > > Only two of the younger one are accounted for. the two older one are Eli > and Levi, the daughter is Margaret. > > Same census is a Moses and this is the Moses that is married to > Elizabeth Lindsey. > One of Moses Daughters was name Delilah, Now this is the same name as > Benjamin Wife. > > also a James, Jediah and Isaac are that also. > I don't have anything I can find on a Jediah, Does anyone have anything > on him ? > > Bill Couch > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Does anyone have access to Census Index for North Carolina for 1790-1840 that they would post ? Bill Couch

I have been going over some old files. And would like to see if anyone else is working on the Greenvile Couches. on the 1800 Census i have posted on the Couch page There is a Aaron listed, Does anyone have anything on him. Also as you see there is two Benjamins, My Benjamin died in Spartanburg Co. But the one in Spartanburg is not him on the 1800 Census. The one in Greenville is more correct with Children Just has a couple listed that are not accounted for. Only two of the younger one are accounted for. the two older one are Eli and Levi, the daughter is Margaret. Same census is a Moses and this is the Moses that is married to Elizabeth Lindsey. One of Moses Daughters was name Delilah, Now this is the same name as Benjamin Wife. also a James, Jediah and Isaac are that also. I don't have anything I can find on a Jediah, Does anyone have anything on him ? Bill Couch

I had been wondering if anyone but me knew about this book Kay In a message dated 8/8/03 6:10:41 AM, kathyl@sssnet.com writes: << Hi Bill, I've been watching "Elihue" too. Would bet this one goes with the family who's topic in book Up Cutshin & Down Greasy. Not sure I mentioned that to you? I'm putting chart together on it but not ready yet. It's not a genealogy book and I had to put own notes together. All stuff at home but I'll keep this email and get back to you on this. >>

Thanks, that confirms what I had but did not know Abijar as the proper name for Bige. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: W2305W@aol.com >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [COUCH] Clevland Browns >Date: Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 3:49 PM > >     For you football fans here is Tim's family. > >Tim 1977 Hyden Ky >Elbert 1951 >Abijah jr 1924 >Abijah sr 1890 aka Bige >Felix 1870 >Elisha 1810 2 marriages >Martin 1784 >John 1750 & Elizabeth > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On Sun, 2003-08-31 at 18:39, Couch, Robert H. wrote: Thanks, that confirms what I had but did not know Abijar as the proper name for Bige. Its NOT Bige was more or less a generic name used as a middle name. So many in kentucky that they refered to them under Bige XXX or XXX Bige the Bige you refer to .. relation to TIm is refered to as "Red Bige" as not to confuse him with other family at the time...... there is a Black Bige also. so many varients Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: W2305W@aol.com >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [COUCH] Clevland Browns >Date: Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 3:49 PM > > For you football fans here is Tim's family. > >Tim 1977 Hyden Ky >Elbert 1951 >Abijah jr 1924 >Abijah sr 1890 aka Bige >Felix 1870 >Elisha 1810 2 marriages >Martin 1784 >John 1750 & Elizabeth > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

hope you all have a safe holiday sam

    For you football fans here is Tim's family. Tim 1977 Hyden Ky Elbert 1951 Abijah jr 1924 Abijah sr 1890 aka Bige Felix 1870 Elisha 1810 2 marriages Martin 1784 John 1750 & Elizabeth

Sorry, just know his name was bige couch, but Gr GertieGertrude Roberts & Bige Couch did have a son & named him Harvey(my father's half-brother). Gerri

my Gr Gertie/Gertrude Roberts' 1st husband was a bige couch from Leslie Co., Ky. my gr gertie roberts was b.19 may *1894*=Clay Co., Ky. hope this might be of some help! gERRI

Would anyone have a birth date for Bige Couch? Thanks, Gerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Couch, Robert H. " <rcouchauburn@mindspring.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Re: test > SAM, > > IN MY RECORDS WHICH SOMEONE FROM KENTUCKY SENT ME I HAVE THAT TIM COUCH IS > SON OF ELBERT WAYNE AND JANICE JOHNSON COUCH; GRANDSON OF BIGE COUCH JR AND > BESSIE; AND GREAT GRANDSON OF BIGE COUCH SR. IS THIS CORRECT? > > WHERE DOES THE IRA COUCH FIT IN AND HOW FAR REMOVED IS TIM FROM MARTIN AND > JOHN COUCH? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANKS A BUNCH. > > ROBERT H. COUCH > ---------- > >From: Windwalker <windwalker@fastmail.fm> > >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [COUCH] Re: test > >Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2003, 8:52 AM > > > > >On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:11, RGC0013@aol.com wrote: > > Robert, > > > > I cannot tell you specifically how group 5 relates to Tim Couch -- seems I > > read on this site that he (Tim) is a descendant of Martin Couch, as I am. > > Perhaps others are aware of facts in the relationship. If it is true, > >I certainly > > will claim him. There are not many Couch folk that are as well known as Tim > > -- actually none I know of. I bet Windwalker knows about Tim. > > > > Ron Couch > > > >Tim is on Martin Cocuh line via Ira. Tim was born in 1977 and is the son > >of Elbert Wayne Couch and Janice Johnson > >Tims middle name is Scott. In 1998 he was canidate for the Heisman Tropy > > > >He owns property in Big Willard {Leslie Co} His parents own property > >next to ours in Perry > > Last time I known Tim was in florida. > >Have no idea of "group 5" thats a AR thing or AL. > >Sam > > > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

As you look at the marriage between a Sizemore and Couch, perhaps this might also help. John Smith Couch and Catherine has a daughter Susan B. Couch who was born 1832 in Hopkins Co, KY and married Russell Sizemore 3 Dec 1857 in Clay Co KY. This John Smith Couch is the brother to my great grandfather, Orrel G. Couch; both of the men were born in VA but their father moved his entire family to KY when the children were relatively young. We are talking about John Couch who was born 8 Jul 1773 in Van and died 13 Mar 1840. His grave site in on the property of Mr. Marvin Rakestraw, Slaughters-Dixon Road, beyond Mt. Pleasant Methodist Church, Webster Co KY. I have post the WILL of John Couch previously on this site and it lists the children from the first and second marriage of John. Descendants of John Smith Couch Generation No. 1 1. JOHN SMITH COUCH (JOHN, JAMES, JOHN) was born 15 Mar 1810 in Buckingham Co., VA, USA, and died Abt. 1868 in Eastern part of Mo.. He married (1) CATHERINE ?. She was born Abt. 1810 in VA, USA. He married (2) ELIZA JANE BOWLES 24 Jul 1854 in McLean Co., KY, USA. He married (3) MARGARET HARGIS 14 Oct 1857 in Webster Co., MO, USA. Notes for JOHN SMITH COUCH: John Smith Couch and wife moved to KY abt. 1833. Was living in MO in 1856 as he had moved with brother Orrel G. couch. He lived in TX during the Civil War between 1861 and 1865. The moved back to MO after 1865 and then decided to move back to KY and died on the way to KY somewhere in eastern MO. Place has not been found. emc 2002. More About JOHN SMITH COUCH: Census: 1860, Hopkins Co., Madisonville, p 814. KY, USA More About CATHERINE ?: Census: 1850, Hopkins Co. KY, USA More About JOHN COUCH and ELIZA BOWLES: Marriage: 24 Jul 1854, McLean Co., KY, USA Marriage Notes for JOHN COUCH and MARGARET HARGIS: Webster Co., MO Marriage Bk 1, pg 76. Jepthy L. Moore, JP State of Missouri County of Webster I Jepthy L. Moore an acting Justice of the peace within ann for said county do hereby certify that I did on the 4th day of October AD 1837 solemnize the rights of matarmoiny between John S. Couch ann Margaret Hargis both of the foreside given under my hand on this 26th Dec 1857. Jepthy L. Moore, JP Filed and recorded on the 26th December 1857 John Foster EX Official Recorder. (Spelling is as copied from court records.) More About JOHN COUCH and MARGARET HARGIS: Marriage: 14 Oct 1857, Webster Co., MO, USA Marriage license: 26 Dec 1857, Webster Co. MO, p. 76 Children of JOHN COUCH and CATHERINE ? are: i. SUSAN B.5 COUCH, b. 1832, Hopkins Co., KY, USA; m. RUSSELL SIZEMORE, 03 Dec 1857, Clay Co., KY, USA. More About SUSAN B. COUCH: Census: 1850, Hopkins Co. KY, USA More About RUSSELL SIZEMORE and SUSAN COUCH: Marriage: 03 Dec 1857, Clay Co., KY, USA ii. WILLIAM COUCH, b. Bet. 1835 - 1840. iii. MARY A. COUCH, b. Abt. 1842, Hopkins Co., KY, USA. Notes for MARY A. COUCH: Mary A Couch could read Mary I or Mary O, very difficult to read. More About MARY A. COUCH: Census: 1850, Hopkins Co. KY, USA

Im getting hammered by offlist email on this, so I post here to possible help. John Couch of Kentucky married Elizabeth Campbell in Orange Co indeed !! North Carolina Marriage Bonds, 1741-1868 Bride: Elizabeth Campbell Groom: John Couch Bond Date: 02 Dec 1783 OC County: Orange Record: #:01 096 Bond: #:000096011 The bond will have the witnesses ect on it. or even relation or bondsman The sole info put out on the birth of John Couch of Kentucky was put out by Gladys Frazier listed as a source by another researcher. There is NO PROOF of his birth date. NOR any documents that place him in Surry/Wilkes Co prior 1782. i.e the John/Mary residence. There is evidence that John "might" have been in Orange co at that time. John very well might be the son of Thomas Couch and the brother of Joseph in NC Records show a John and Joseph in montgomery Co VA in almost same dates range. As someone else has has already "claimed" a John/Joseph the John of Kentucky is at a dead in in NC. The account of Gladys Frazier is disputed. As no evidence exists to back it up. A family bible that burnt up in 1960,s is NO proof. The key to finding more on John, lays with the Lewis line and the Campbell lines The key is finding out about Johns first alledged marriage. Not that he was reported to come from Germany. To may people are skipping sequencial order. John cant be toed to Europe TILL he can be proper placed in the Colonies. With the right line. Intermarriage along the line is rampant. And in many places. A son of xxx marrys the step daughter of his xxx wife. Its known John Couch of Kentucky spelled his name two ways. John Couch OR John Crouch Also note there are two lines of Couch in Kentucky although they intermingle on later line they do not appear to do so in early line. {At present} People are also getting Austin Couch mixed up highly Austin Couch b 1786 d 1834 married Daphane Eversol b 1820 Was a trailblazer into Ky. Sent as young man to look for property in Ky in the spring of 1806 form the New River, NC, for a group of 50 odd familyies. Married Daphane Eversol sister of Judge Eversol of Clay Co, Ky. Roll 3 pages 2289-2432 April JD Diairy. Friendof Charles Farris went with Austin, also listed in 1830 Perry Co census Known property for Austin listed in Deed Book A376 and A578 for Perry Co Also Book A page 573 Perry Co Ky 1832: Grantor Riley, James Grantee Couch, Austin There was also another Austin Couch in Kentucky area 1760 era He has not been linked to John Couch lineage {yet}

RE: Tim Couch. Using what you have said and reading the Martin Couch line on the charts of Bill Couch of AR I have found the following. I want to verify if this is correct. Is Eli "Eel" Couch the same as the Ira Couch you mentioned as son of Martin Couch? I would appreciate your checking the veracity of this. I have looked at the Charts of Bill Couch on the internet and have found one Bige Couch, ancestor of Tim Couch. According to the Charts, Eli "Eel" Couch (1810-1885) son of Martin Couch was b in NC and married Mahala Sally Sizemore. Eli's son was Felix Couch (1860) who married Lucy Lewis (b 1875). Next comes Bige Couch. The chart ends here but in earlier correspondence with you, Ron and others there is then a Bige Couch Jr in Leslie Co, KY. Bige Jr is the father of Tim Couch's dad Elbert Wayne Couch. Then Tim was born in 1977. Is that about right? Please correct me if I am wrong. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: Windwalker <windwalker@fastmail.fm> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] Re: test >Date: Thu, Aug 28, 2003, 8:19 AM > >On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 14:58, Couch, Robert H. wrote: > > SAM, > > IN MY RECORDS WHICH SOMEONE FROM KENTUCKY SENT ME I HAVE THAT TIM COUCH IS > SON OF ELBERT WAYNE AND JANICE JOHNSON COUCH; GRANDSON OF BIGE COUCH JR AND > BESSIE; AND GREAT GRANDSON OF BIGE COUCH SR. IS THIS CORRECT? > > WHERE DOES THE IRA COUCH FIT IN AND HOW FAR REMOVED IS TIM FROM MARTIN AND > JOHN COUCH? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANKS A BUNCH. > > ROBERT H. COUCH > ---------- > >This is what I posted early in the week.... Bige Couch was known as "Red >Bige" >follow the Ira Couch line on down to Red > >Ira son of Martin > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 13:23, Couch, Robert H. wrote: RE: Tim Couch. Using what you have said and reading the Martin Couch line on the charts of Bill Couch of AR I have found the following. I want to verify if this is correct. Is Eli "Eel" Couch the same as the Ira Couch you mentioned as son of Martin Couch? I would appreciate your checking the veracity of this. I have looked at the Charts of Bill Couch on the internet and have found one Bige Couch, ancestor of Tim Couch. According to the Charts, Eli "Eel" Couch (1810-1885) son of Martin Couch was b in NC and married Mahala Sally Sizemore. Eli's son was Felix Couch (1860) who married Lucy Lewis (b 1875). Next comes Bige Couch. The chart ends here but in earlier correspondence with you, Ron and others there is then a Bige Couch Jr in Leslie Co, KY. Bige Jr is the father of Tim Couch's dad Elbert Wayne Couch. Then Tim was born in 1977. Is that about right? Please correct me if I am wrong. See offlist email. if you print what I sent BEWARE... its 3700 pages use a genealogy program Sam

On Fri, 2003-08-29 at 13:23, Couch, Robert H. wrote: RE: Tim Couch. Using what you have said and reading the Martin Couch line on the charts of Bill Couch of AR I have found the following. I want to verify if this is correct. Is Eli "Eel" Couch the same as the Ira Couch you mentioned as son of Martin Couch? I would appreciate your checking the veracity of this. I have looked at the Charts of Bill Couch on the internet and have found one Bige Couch, ancestor of Tim Couch. According to the Charts, Eli "Eel" Couch (1810-1885) son of Martin Couch was b in NC and married Mahala Sally Sizemore. Eli's son was Felix Couch (1860) who married Lucy Lewis (b 1875). Next comes Bige Couch. The chart ends here but in earlier correspondence with you, Ron and others there is then a Bige Couch Jr in Leslie Co, KY. Bige Jr is the father of Tim Couch's dad Elbert Wayne Couch. Then Tim was born in 1977. Is that about right? Please correct me if I am wrong. Robert H. Couch ---------- > First can you read/use a GED file?? NOTE there are about 15 "Bige" Couch in the line... Tims grandpaw was "Red Bige" Eli Couch is not same as Ira. And again note there are 5 I know of "Eli" Couch people. All different times. Let me know on a GED file I will later this day cehck on your request

It should be in the archives here.

Add on another cousin here Gerri, only through my Gabbards back to common ancestor Jesse Bowling :-) I haven't worked much on this line but do have info needed for DAR/SAR membership if interested. I can tie in through a cousin and member, Robert Marshall Sheppard, common ancestor William Gabbard and Elizabeth Johnston, my gg-grandparents. Kathleen Couch Latshaw (Kathy) Kentucky Couch Kin http://swapasource.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darrel Claibourn" <dgclaibo@hit.net> > To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:38 AM > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Re: test > > > > I am cousin joyce! > > My Gr mary w.bolling was the d/o GtGrs Jobe Bolling & Rebecca White(the > d/o > > GtGtgrs james white & drucilla moore, who was the d/o GtGtGtgrs allen > moore > > & Margaret/Peggy lewis; the d/o 4GtGrs james lewis, ii(JR) > > & Sarah/Sally Couch(d/o 5gtgrs John Couch & Mary Polly Boone. > > GtGr Jobe Bolling(the s/o GtGtGrs sarah/sally ann baker & john e. > bowling). > > John was the s/o GtGtGtGrs Rachel eversole & "Bluehead" william > > Bowling(notice the sp has changed), who was the s/o > > 4gtgrs justice bolling & hannah reed. > > Justice was the s/o 5gtgrs rev jesse bowling(1758)& Mary Pennington. > > > > this is a "double" dose of James Lewis,ii & Sarah/Sally Couch: > > John S. Bowling's connection to John Couch: > > *John S. Bowling, III F.Rev.Jesse Bowling/Bolling > > m. m.Mary Pennington > > > > *Polly M. lewis F.James Lewis, II(Jr)-F.James Lewis,I > > M.Sarah/Sally Ann Couch > > F.John Couch > > M.MP Boone > > > > **distant Aunt & Uncle > > John S. Bowling & SArah Couch's daughter m.___Eversole > > Have A Nice Day! > > Gerri >