Some Couch still live in Forest City Nc which is Rutherford Co. They are linked to the Ky lineage ----- Original Message ----- From: <evafromnc@aol.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: [COUCH] Glad you found my information I posted Nancy > Nancy Dear , Glad you found this information I posted on the Gen Forum board > as to the Couch and Lynches in Rutherford Co NC. Do hope someone can use it > ..............Eva Couch Swaney > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Joyce, Thanks I really enjoyed the web site. Paula

Kathy, Joseph of 1850, 1860 and 1870 is not the same Joseph on the 1816 Clay Co KY tax list. He would, as I said, have been only about 10 or 11 yrs of age at that time. There was a 2nd Joseph in the area, and he was much older. He is the one who never showed on a census there, He was only on the tax lists for the one year. And everywhere we've tracked John recently, there is also Joseph. A very reasonable deduction that they were related. As we all know, families tended to band together back then. Joyce

Yes its clear there were several Joseph One same age or older as John of Ky and he is the one thats always close to John in NC/Va the other one is son of Martin then again the other side of the line had "Joseph,s also" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > Kathy, > Joseph of 1850, 1860 and 1870 is not the same Joseph on the 1816 Clay > Co KY tax list. He would, as I said, have been only about 10 or 11 yrs > of age at that time. There was a 2nd Joseph in the area, and he was > much older. He is the one who never showed on a census there, He was > only on the tax lists for the one year. And everywhere we've tracked > John recently, there is also Joseph. A very reasonable deduction that > they were related. As we all know, families tended to band together > back then. > Joyce > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I know one thing if everyone is going to start bickering over charts that's stupid, nothing will get done and people will be get defensive. Some people are just stubborn about changing anything because they are right even if you have PAPER PROOF to make your case. This is the reason I got off the Jarrel list is because of bickering and I almost got off this list just a few months ago because of bickering and name calling. Let's not start that again. Cooperation is what is needed. This is why I do all my own tracking. Not everyone's inforamtion is correct allot of it is by proximity. Just because to more Couch people lived in the same area does not make them related. They could yes be distant cousins. Now to my finding.Rutherford Co., Nc death certificates. Margaret (Couch) Wood age 50 white femaile married born 18 feb 1862 Cherokke Co., Sc. died 2 feb 1913 Rutherford Co.NC daughter of ----blank---- and Martha Couch burried at Floys Creek, Informant S.L.Wood or Henrietta, NC. Reid Lynch white male born 3 Jany 1906 Rutherford Co., Nc, son of Lee W. Lynch burried Rutherford Co., NC and Lulah Elliott born Rutherford Co., NC burried City cemetery infroma Lee W. Lynch Forest City, NC. Any body have these people in thier lines> I have discovered by round about way that some of the people in Rutherford Co., Nc are indeed related to A COUCH FAMILY. Rutherford County is a border county for South Carolina. Nancy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

What about the famed Joseph m. Mary Stidham...1850, 60 & 70 Perry co. census? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > There was a Joseph Couch on an 1816 Clay County KY Tax List, who never > showed on the census records in Clay or Perry Co KY. Martin's son, > Joseph would have been about 10 or 11 at the time, and too young to be > on a tax list. It is reasonable to think Joseph might possibly have > been John's father, and didn't live much longer after moving to KY with > the rest of the clan. Or he might have been an older brother. I do > know for sure, Joseph and John were in the same territories in both VA > and NC, before the move to KY. Preponderence of evidence leans heavily > on the two of them being closely related. Has anyone from Joseph's > family ever taken the DNA test? Some of them are residing here in > Oklahoma. They're from Joseph's son, Nathan, and his son Meshack. I'll > ask around -- see who's still around OKC that's from Meshack and his > sons. > Joyce > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Windwalker asked which Joseph --- Joseph of Ashe County NC and/or Knox Co TN -- it would be interesting to see how his DNA matches up with John's.

There was a Joseph Couch on an 1816 Clay County KY Tax List, who never showed on the census records in Clay or Perry Co KY. Martin's son, Joseph would have been about 10 or 11 at the time, and too young to be on a tax list. It is reasonable to think Joseph might possibly have been John's father, and didn't live much longer after moving to KY with the rest of the clan. Or he might have been an older brother. I do know for sure, Joseph and John were in the same territories in both VA and NC, before the move to KY. Preponderence of evidence leans heavily on the two of them being closely related. Has anyone from Joseph's family ever taken the DNA test? Some of them are residing here in Oklahoma. They're from Joseph's son, Nathan, and his son Meshack. I'll ask around -- see who's still around OKC that's from Meshack and his sons. Joyce

I agree with Vic and Sam -- it's time to find the brothers of John Couch of Perry County KY. To coin an old phrase, "no man is an island" -- there were surely several others. We can start with Joseph who was sometimes listed as Crouch, other times as Couch. We need to make sure Joseph of 1800 Ashe County NC is the same Joseph who went to Knox County TN -- can that be proved? Joyce

If DNA group #5 were smart, they would start looking for Martin's uncles or Martin's dad's brothers. Put John's bro's together. Starting with the CRouch name!! ALL Couch's (#5) did not come from John or Martin. Vic

There were a couple of Jonathans. One in Knox County, TN but no census for that county in 1810 and 1820. He volunteered for the War of 1812 from there and signed a marriage bond for Jane Couch (his sister?) in 1815. Another Jonathan Couch appeared later in Lincoln County, TN> Haven't made a connection yet. Hope this helps. Nolene

which Joseph you talking about for DNA? Joseph son of Martin? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > There was a Joseph Couch on an 1816 Clay County KY Tax List, who never > showed on the census records in Clay or Perry Co KY. Martin's son, > Joseph would have been about 10 or 11 at the time, and too young to be > on a tax list. It is reasonable to think Joseph might possibly have > been John's father, and didn't live much longer after moving to KY with > the rest of the clan. Or he might have been an older brother. I do > know for sure, Joseph and John were in the same territories in both VA > and NC, before the move to KY. Preponderence of evidence leans heavily > on the two of them being closely related. Has anyone from Joseph's > family ever taken the DNA test? Some of them are residing here in > Oklahoma. They're from Joseph's son, Nathan, and his son Meshack. I'll > ask around -- see who's still around OKC that's from Meshack and his > sons. > Joyce > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Well Yes via migration/ tax lists/deeds form Va to Nc But thats where it ends... You or I wont get any answers on Joseph... I believe the southern lines have claimed him {I think} according to the master site Joseph was either John,s father or Brother Now this aint going to settle to well with some. But. John of Ky was in western Va along with "a" Joseph. Even my own direct line has Couch clan in Va I think NC was a stopping point only, As you know original documents form the period have came to light, and it clearly shows John/Joseph together along with wife MAry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > I agree with Vic and Sam -- it's time to find the brothers of John Couch > of Perry County KY. To coin an old phrase, "no man is an island" -- > there were surely several others. We can start with Joseph who was > sometimes listed as Crouch, other times as Couch. We need to make sure > Joseph of 1800 Ashe County NC is the same Joseph who went to Knox County > TN -- can that be proved? > Joyce > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

As Ernest Angley says give me a AMEN!!! then he passes the plate ----- Original Message ----- From: <MR5X95@aol.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > If DNA group #5 were smart, they would start looking for Martin's uncles or > Martin's dad's brothers. Put John's bro's together. Starting with the CRouch > name!! > ALL Couch's (#5) did not come from John or Martin. > Vic > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is not something to blame on one person. The info comes from the family researchers and I believe it's up to them to work together to correct it. If there's anything I can do to help out, I'm more than willing. Would just love to see some action taking place. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Windwalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > what it amounts to is mis data, Wrong charts posted, with no source and no > concern of whats listed for KY > If it were a AR/Al/SC line they would be breaking backs to get it right > Thats the bad thing of having one person who puts charts up and all go by > them.. > THEN you have to provide them proof.. > Its BS >

I need to express concern over data found on the web regarding the Martin Couch line in KY. It is very frustrating to try and get anything done in helping others with their families. I believe the following is the primary reason. In comparing two charts (links below) commonly used by KY researchers, I find the following: Martin Couch b. 1875 Ashe Co. NC, m. Sarah Hall b. 1785 VA abt. 1804. Their first son was Joseph b. 1805, NC. In 1808 Andrew was born in VA and the same year Elisah was born NC. These must be twins and their mother is surely in the Guiness Book of World records for time between their birth needed to travel to another state? So...they stayed in NC for birth of Eel in 1810 and then Thomas in 1812. By 1813 they returned to Perry Co. KY for birth of Ira and Nellie...twins again? Guess they just had to beat their own record!....Seems Nellie was born in Tennessee! Wow...Amazing! Well....these nomads just couldn't stay put long so by 1815 they went back to Virginia for birth of John. Home in Perry Co. KY was calling again by 1816 when son Charles was born. All that travel must have taken it's toll as next two sons Samuel and Levi were born 1820 and 1825. It is rumored however that Levi who lived in Wolfe Co. KY may have been adopted since his DEATH CERTIFICATE lists parents as John Couch and Mary Jones?? It is also believed that Martin and Sarah had just 4 children.....or 11........or 16! Reckon we can take our pick. Afterall, everyone knows ALL the Couches in KY come from Martin :-/ Ok, now I've had my fun with the sarcasm. The couchgenweb chart for Martin has TWELVE researchers listed. We're all thankful to Bill for his willingness to make space and try to put these people together to work on their common families. The chart posted is what these families have submitted and the data at the Perry Co. Genweb site is the work of one person. As you can see there are major problems here and proper attention is long overdue. Who is responsible for straightening this out? Come on KY!...let's see some shared interest and ideas for getting this fixed! Now I can enjoy a week of vacation :-) Kathleen Couch Latshaw (Kathy) Kentucky Couch Kin http://swapasource.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyperry/ (narrative form) http://www.couchgenweb.com/ 1-- Martin COUCH-17 (1785-1856) ,New River,Ashe Co.,North Carolina sp-Sarah (Sallie) HALL-110 (1785- ) ,,,Virginia 2-- Joseph COUCH-26 (1805-1898) ,New Rivers,Ashe Co.,North Carolina sp-Mary Ann STIDHAM-25 (1817- ) ,,,Virginia 2-- Andrew COUCH-4 (1808- ) ,,,Virginia sp-Ann-121 (1809- ) ,,,Kentucky 2-- Elisah COUCH-35 (1808- ) Ashe,North Carolina sp-Serena KILBURN-22 (1806- ) ,,,North Carolina sp-Cerena PENNINGTON-188 (1817- ) ,,,Virginia 2-- Eli "Eel" COUCH-29 (1810-1885) ,,,North Carolina sp-Mahala Sally SIZEMORE-30 (1814- ) ,Leslie,,Kentucky 2-- Thomas Alfred COUCH-117 (1812-1858) ,,Ashe Co.,North Carolina sp-Elizabeth CAMPBELL-116 (1814- ) ,,,Kentucky 2-- Sira or Ira COUCH-105 (1813-1911) ,,Perry Co.,Kentucky sp-Parminia "Nina" COMBS-19 (1821-1908) ,Hazard,Perry Co.,Kentucky 2-- Nellie COUCH-300 (1813- ) ,,Perry Co.,Kentucky sp-Lewis MILAM-301 (1796- ) 2-- John C. COUCH-59 (1815- ) ,,,Virginia sp-Rachel COMBS-8 (1823- ) ,,,Kentucky 2-- Charles COUCH-11 (1816- ) ,,Perry Co.,Kentucky sp-Elizabeth CAMPBELL-76 (1812- ) ,,,Kentucky 2-- Samuel COUCH-305 (1820- ) ,,Perry Co.,Kentucky 2-- Levi COUCH-231 (1825- ) ,,Perry Co.,Kentucky

what it amounts to is mis data, Wrong charts posted, with no source and no concern of whats listed for KY If it were a AR/Al/SC line they would be breaking backs to get it right Thats the bad thing of having one person who puts charts up and all go by them.. THEN you have to provide them proof.. Its BS ----- Original Message ----- From: <kathyl@sssnet.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 3:59 PM Subject: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > I need to express concern over data found on the web regarding the Martin > Couch line in KY. It is very frustrating to try and get anything done in > helping others with their families. I believe the following is the primary > reason. In comparing two charts (links below) commonly used by KY > researchers, I find the following: > > Martin Couch b. 1875 Ashe Co. NC, m. Sarah Hall b. 1785 VA abt. 1804. > Their first son was Joseph b. 1805, NC. In 1808 Andrew was born in VA and > the same year Elisah was born NC. These must be twins and their mother is > surely in the Guiness Book of World records for time between their birth > needed to travel to another state? So...they stayed in NC for birth of Eel > in 1810 and then Thomas in 1812. By 1813 they returned to Perry Co. KY for > birth of Ira and Nellie...twins again? Guess they just had to beat their > own record!....Seems Nellie was born in Tennessee! Wow...Amazing! > Well....these nomads just couldn't stay put long so by 1815 they went back > to Virginia for birth of John. Home in Perry Co. KY was calling again by > 1816 when son Charles was born. All that travel must have taken it's toll > as next two sons Samuel and Levi were born 1820 and 1825. It is rumored > however that Levi who lived in Wolfe Co. KY may have been adopted since his > DEATH CERTIFICATE lists parents as John Couch and Mary Jones?? It is also > believed that Martin and Sarah had just 4 children.....or 11........or 16! > Reckon we can take our pick. Afterall, everyone knows ALL the Couches in KY > come from Martin :-/ > > Ok, now I've had my fun with the sarcasm. The couchgenweb chart for Martin > has TWELVE researchers listed. We're all thankful to Bill for his > willingness to make space and try to put these people together to work on > their common families. The chart posted is what these families have > submitted and the data at the Perry Co. Genweb site is the work of one > person. As you can see there are major problems here and proper attention > is long overdue. Who is responsible for straightening this out? Come on > KY!...let's see some shared interest and ideas for getting this fixed! > > Now I can enjoy a week of vacation :-) > > Kathleen Couch Latshaw (Kathy) > Kentucky Couch Kin > http://swapasource.com > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyperry/ (narrative form) > > http://www.couchgenweb.com/ > > 1-- Martin COUCH-17 (1785-1856) ,New River,Ashe Co.,North Carolina > sp-Sarah (Sallie) HALL-110 (1785- ) ,,,Virginia > 2-- Joseph COUCH-26 (1805-1898) ,New Rivers,Ashe Co.,North Carolina > sp-Mary Ann STIDHAM-25 (1817- ) ,,,Virginia > 2-- Andrew COUCH-4 (1808- ) ,,,Virginia > sp-Ann-121 (1809- ) ,,,Kentucky > 2-- Elisah COUCH-35 (1808- ) Ashe,North Carolina > sp-Serena KILBURN-22 (1806- ) ,,,North Carolina > sp-Cerena PENNINGTON-188 (1817- ) ,,,Virginia > 2-- Eli "Eel" COUCH-29 (1810-1885) ,,,North Carolina > sp-Mahala Sally SIZEMORE-30 (1814- ) ,Leslie,,Kentucky > 2-- Thomas Alfred COUCH-117 (1812-1858) ,,Ashe Co.,North Carolina > sp-Elizabeth CAMPBELL-116 (1814- ) ,,,Kentucky > 2-- Sira or Ira COUCH-105 (1813-1911) ,,Perry Co.,Kentucky > sp-Parminia "Nina" COMBS-19 (1821-1908) ,Hazard,Perry Co.,Kentucky > 2-- Nellie COUCH-300 (1813- ) ,,Perry Co.,Kentucky > sp-Lewis MILAM-301 (1796- ) > 2-- John C. COUCH-59 (1815- ) ,,,Virginia > sp-Rachel COMBS-8 (1823- ) ,,,Kentucky > 2-- Charles COUCH-11 (1816- ) ,,Perry Co.,Kentucky > sp-Elizabeth CAMPBELL-76 (1812- ) ,,,Kentucky > 2-- Samuel COUCH-305 (1820- ) ,,Perry Co.,Kentucky > 2-- Levi COUCH-231 (1825- ) ,,Perry Co.,Kentucky > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Bill, he married Adeline Couch in Tunica, Tunica County, Mississippi. He is buried at Eudora, DeSoto County, Mississippi in Goodrum Cemetery. His headstone tells us he was born in 1841. I have found him in a couple of the censuses as John L. Couch, but never Jonathan. We feel, if this is the correct person, he dropped some of his name and merely went by John for the rest of his life. The 1850 Census of Orange County gives Lee and Sally Couch, and Jonathan, with his age stated as nine years. Hence, 1841 on his headstone would match the census age. Thanks, Everette Bowie

Was he listed as Jonathan on his head stone? and who was his wife? Also where is he burried? When was John L. Born? and do you have him on any other census than the 1850 of Orange Co. ? If this is your Jonathan we should be able to follow him up to date by census. Bill Couch > > Thanks for your reply to my subscription. I am researching my wife's family, > who apparently came from North Carolina to Northwest Mississippi. Her father > was William Franklin Couch, known as Dean. His father was John L. Couch. I > have located a Jonathan Couch in Orange County, North Carolina. He was the > son of Lee Couch, and Sally Marshall (we think). Jonathan was born in 1841 > according to his gravestone. Our dilemma is the name Jonathan. Was he given that > name at birth, or could we have the wrong one? If this is he, then did he > drop Jonathan for John. All documents we locate in Mississippi show he signed > his name as John Couch or John L. Couch. At the moment we are up against the > proverbial stone wall. My wife's family were very private and never talked > about family, so she is virtually devoid of any information on her heritage, > something I tell her was wrong from the getgo! It is hard to find people who don't > want to be found, or know enough to be found! We keep digging, however. My > wife was Lillie Inez Couch. > > Thanks, > > Everette Bowie > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks for your reply to my subscription. I am researching my wife's family, who apparently came from North Carolina to Northwest Mississippi. Her father was William Franklin Couch, known as Dean. His father was John L. Couch. I have located a Jonathan Couch in Orange County, North Carolina. He was the son of Lee Couch, and Sally Marshall (we think). Jonathan was born in 1841 according to his gravestone. Our dilemma is the name Jonathan. Was he given that name at birth, or could we have the wrong one? If this is he, then did he drop Jonathan for John. All documents we locate in Mississippi show he signed his name as John Couch or John L. Couch. At the moment we are up against the proverbial stone wall. My wife's family were very private and never talked about family, so she is virtually devoid of any information on her heritage, something I tell her was wrong from the getgo! It is hard to find people who don't want to be found, or know enough to be found! We keep digging, however. My wife was Lillie Inez Couch. Thanks, Everette Bowie