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I've just uploaded 41 new death records to the website for all interested in Couch and related surnames in KY. Check back regular as I have more in the works. Enjoy! Kathleen Couch Latshaw (Kathy) Kentucky Couch Kin http://swapasource.com

Joyce I have been unable to find any proof that the Joseph of Knox County, TN was the Joseph of Ashe County, N.C. There is "circumstantial" evidence that they appear to be one and the same. Jane COUCH who married Rowland Blankenship Dec. 1815 in Knox County, according to the census records was born in N.C.ca 1800/ We know both Joseph and John were in Ashe County in 1800 and also 1810. Timothy COUCH was born in N.C. (census) about 1802. He and Jane could have been brother and sister as later (1830 census) he was in White County, Tn when Jane and Rowland moved there - near him - from Madison County, Al. They left Knox County and moved to Madison County about 1817/18. At the same time Jane was in Knox County, there was a Joseph there and also a Jonathan. Jonathan signed the marriage bond for Jane and Rowland. Timothy named a son Joseph. I'm working on the theory that all the above Couches were related and were from Ashe County but could surely use some help. There seems to be lots of research on the Ky group of COUCHES but the Knox County group has been on their own. I agree it would be a bitg help to know who John's siblings were. Anyone out there able to add to this? Nolene

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Kay, Kentucky's Windwalker quotes some ancestor who said he was proud of his New England origins. In one of the biographies of Harvey Couch William Couch (son of Drury--grandson of Ole Thomas Couch of Enoree, SC) is quoted as saying his folks came from New England and were in Virginia by 1700. Edna Symanski of Florida who is an expert on the Conneticut Couches notes some CT Couches who moved to the South. However, I just do not know. General Darius N. Couch was indeed from the CT Couches and he is well documented. Right Now, the earliest Couch I can document (no absolute proof) in what is our line is Thommas Couch Sr and Thomas Couch JR who were in what is now Lunenburg County, VA (originally Brunswick Co, VA). Thomas Sr and Elizabeth Couch had known and projected sons named (Mathew-from Bristol Parish Register b 1725); Thomas Couch Jr who was b in VA 1720 the same year Thomas Sr got his letters of patents on 566 acres just west of the county seat of Lunenburg County, VA on Couches creek; William who was a proven brother of Thomas, James. Other projected possibilitis as sons included: John and Edward. We believe that sons Thomas Couch Jr; William Couch and James Couch moved down into Orange County, NC and are on early land maps there as among the first settlers of Orange County, NC. Then Thomas Jr and James moved to Spartanburg County, South Carolina. This line of thinking is supported by census data, land records, and tax lists as well as availabble maps. IT is certainly reasonable but not every item is proven beyond possible doubt. Many of the Group 5 Couch Dna project individuals can easily be traced to this Thomas and Elizabeth of Lunenburg County, VA. But, Just where did Thomas Come from. I have been making a list of every know Southern Couch (not new England, N.J., nor Conneticut Couches) I have seen and I have a least a dozen or more who are recorded in America prior to 1700. I know my list is not exaustive but I if we can identify all the Virginia Couches perhaps we can logically find out who were the parents of Thomas Couch Sr of Lunenburg Co, VA. The CT Couches have dozens of Thomas Couches across several generations. Any ideas of how to proceed? Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [COUCH] Re: test >Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2003, 7:32 PM > >I have been wondering if we are related to Darius Couch, the union general. > >In a message dated 8/28/03 5:07:40 AM, [email protected] writes: > ><< JOYCE, > >SINCE RON IS A MEMBER OF OUR GROUP 5 COUCH DNA BUNCH THEN WE ALL ARE >INTRESTED IN THE JOHN/MARTIN COUCH LINE. WHO WAS THE FATHER OF JOHN? WHERE >DID HE COME FROM? I KEEP SEEING SOME POSTINGS THAT JOHN WAS GERMAN AND >PERHAPS CAME TO NC FROM PENNSYLVANIA. WINDWALKER BELIEVES THAT JOHN'S >FAMILY MAY HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO THE CONNETICUT COUCHES. WE KNOW OF OTHER >RELATED COUCHES IN LUNENBURG COUNTY, VA, ORANGE, ASHE AND SEVERAL OTHER NC >COUNTIES, SPARTANBURG AND GREENVILLE COUNTIES IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND LATER IN >GEORGIA, TENNESSEE, ALABAMA, MISSISSIPPI AS WELL AS KENTUCKY. > >I AM CERTAINLY WILLING TO HELP FOR IF WE FIND THE PARENTS AND THEIR ORGINS >WE MAY ALSO UNLOCK THE MYSTERY OF ALL COUCHES COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY. > >ROBERT H. COUCH >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Would some one please explain to me what the Dickey Diaries are? I keep seeing references to these and I don't know wht they are. In a message dated 8/28/03 9:55:15 AM, [email protected] writes: On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 16:56, [email protected] wrote: There are repeated rumors that some of the Couch folk came here from Germany. In a handbook titled "Pioneer Families of Leslie County" by Sadie W. Stidham, p. 153, it is said "The Couches are of German-French descent.....Martin Couch immigrated from Germany to America and settled first in North Carolina..." Doesn't make a lot of sense, but there is the reference. I've also heard tales that John and Martin came to America -- went back to Germany, and returned again. To date, I have seen no documented evidence (other than Ms. Stidham's claim) that either John or Martin were from Germany. My father claimed there were two separate Couch clans in SE KY, but I have no real evidence this is true. There was a Couch family bible that held answers, but it was supposedly destroyed in a house fire. We jusy need to keep digging -- maybe the answer to our questions is closer than we think. Ron Couch John is evidenced in Va prior marriage to Elizabeth Campbell. as early as 1768 If one gets into it fully, on the modern days lines. One set in Perry/Leslie is from the NC area having came from VA The other mainly Leslie Co is from VA proper. {Russel Co} present day A lot of the Joseph Couch lineage still are in present day Wva. Patsy Horn {retired Perry Historian and does not support internet genealogy} Had two distinct lines of Couches. All Couch people in KY were not original from NC as is common belief. Nor were they from eastern Va. If one spends a lot of time researching VA records, one will see the pattern of migration Some of the Couch clan settled at or near Martins station in VA That was the starting point for the Wilderness road. The absolute problem with alot of hardcopy books published {and I got a ton of them} Is most were wrote for same reason mostly resale. I dont know how many "source" people I've contacted in the last three months to be told.. "well thats what I was told" Therefore in ater accounts its taken as gospel. Therefore the rumors are contagion. One must compare "books" and the accreditabilty of the author. Why was they writing these accounts?? genealogy sales? Family lore printed? Kentucky Explorer is a prime example of this having accounts of Couch came form Germany and accounts from New England. I well know the book you speak of destroyed by fire. But it seems that reference in it could be checked??? I am also aware of the publishings of Gladys Frazier, relating to the same lineage. Confirmation later dispelled documented proof. There fore no indications of any evidence to prove it. In a document I have in my keeping. That is passed down. John Couch {brn1870} my grandfather. Had in his bible a notation made by his father William Couch... In part. Joseph Couch son of Martin said "We will never forget our North Eastern States familys" Thus giving reason to believe they had kin in old New England states. The "notion" that John Couch was from Germany is a old one, never proved nor anywhere close. Common family belief {non internet} Believes they were Welsh or English. And believe me there are alot of Perry line that does have "some" info But does not use the internet. References are of absolute no value, if they can not be verified. I've seen lines published on LDS site that gives Book/author and published in late 1800s When one does locate the book form a used book source and goes to the direct place and page they quoted.. One sees 80% of the time no reference to the file in question. Extreme care must be used in such cases. I've also seen a lot will clip a certain part of a Dickey Diary interview and thus proceed to inject it into the already infected internet genealogy. Yes the certain part is correct if you look through the full books by Dickey {which I might ad are in reprint now} But others will post a line quoting a Dickey Diary excerp that is in fact not in the books. Use extreme care. The Couch lineage of Kentucky was and is well known for intermingle with other lines. Even marrying into other Couch lines. So its no wonder early people DNA checks will show lineage back to XXX via XXX. On your John/Martin reference from Germany and back I know it might be hard to aquire the book or source , but if the resourses are there, try to procure it. Thence it will either prove or disprove the theory. A good "reference" will always lead to a known historial document. either in form of deed/grant/marriage bond/will/lawsuit/testemony or any other documented proof. The bad sources are verbal accounts, put down in the form of a interview or a later life written book on "memory" Another key to the Kentucky lines is having a working knowledge of the place names of the times... towns/villages /stations and the roads and travel routes of the times. Weigh carefully accounts of states of origin. The key area that has a wealth of info is Va and present day W VA

I have been wondering if we are related to Darius Couch, the union general. In a message dated 8/28/03 5:07:40 AM, [email protected] writes: << JOYCE, SINCE RON IS A MEMBER OF OUR GROUP 5 COUCH DNA BUNCH THEN WE ALL ARE INTRESTED IN THE JOHN/MARTIN COUCH LINE. WHO WAS THE FATHER OF JOHN? WHERE DID HE COME FROM? I KEEP SEEING SOME POSTINGS THAT JOHN WAS GERMAN AND PERHAPS CAME TO NC FROM PENNSYLVANIA. WINDWALKER BELIEVES THAT JOHN'S FAMILY MAY HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO THE CONNETICUT COUCHES. WE KNOW OF OTHER RELATED COUCHES IN LUNENBURG COUNTY, VA, ORANGE, ASHE AND SEVERAL OTHER NC COUNTIES, SPARTANBURG AND GREENVILLE COUNTIES IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND LATER IN GEORGIA, TENNESSEE, ALABAMA, MISSISSIPPI AS WELL AS KENTUCKY. I AM CERTAINLY WILLING TO HELP FOR IF WE FIND THE PARENTS AND THEIR ORGINS WE MAY ALSO UNLOCK THE MYSTERY OF ALL COUCHES COMING INTO THIS COUNTRY. ROBERT H. COUCH >>

My brother Don and I went to the Couch reunion and had a fine meal. Didn't know anyone, and the few pictures I had of Thornton, Henry, Katherine and John S. Couch didn't seem to ring a bell with anyone present. I didn't see Windwalker there and there were no arrangements for scanning of photos, etc. We did find the grave site of Thornton Couch and his son Paul who died at age five in a cemetery in Yerkes. We drove to Buckhorn and saw the log church my mom played the organ in and took pictures of what remains of a stone and mortar sundial. We stayed at the Buckhorn Lodge -- a very nice place. Ron Couch

Well did anyone go to the Couch reunion in Ky.? Could you gives us a report? Vic

What does this mean? What is the significance? I am uneducated in this matter. In a message dated 8/21/03 5:34:50 PM, [email protected] writes: << Sarah, Windwalker is correct -- document everything because there is a lot of misinformation floating around -- and not only about the Couch family. It is in most families I've found. And don't forget -- New York was once New Amsterdam and settled by Dutch. Joyce >>

The Arkansas Archives took copies of my genealogy records and have others. In a message dated 8/21/03 4:03:21 PM, [email protected] writes: << On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 23:10, Sarah Rierson wrote: This is probably a dumb question...but I have to ask it anyway. Do people ever record copies of their family histories in their states historical libraries? I vaguely remember someone in the family saying that such had been done in our family....which one????. ...who knows... .but have a feeling that it might be COUCH. I have a letter written by a grandson of John D. Couch (DOB 2/10/1832 Luenberg, VA) saying that the Couches came to the states with Peter Stuyvesant.....settling in NY. (The same J. D. Couch is also my grandfather). Any one have history on this item. Hopefully there is some truth to this and not just something for some good laughs. Sarah Rierson [email protected] Sarah: It would ne best to research Peter Stuyvesant and party first in NY. Then find out all you can of the area and its migration patterns. Couch people settled in NY/CT/NJ/RI before "some" went on down to PA/Va and later other areas. As far as submitting family records to a historical center. They first must be highly documented and pass a rigid check. Then "some" local state agencys will take them based on local history. As far as just a "genealogy file" submitted to said. They will not take them in most cases. There has to be some significance in the family or submitted file for them to have. I would not truse a "letter" written by a old family member as "proof". It is a starting point indeed to document the lineage. To many fables are started in false family reports from long ago. I am not saying this is one. Just merely that you are lucky to have the info to start the paper trail to documented lineage. Couch clan came from several different areas in the old world.. some welsh, some english {mostly} some Austria/german.. I would start with the Peter Stuyvesant landing point and backtrack, thus leading to VA {hopefully} in the long run. Be highly advised alot of the "internet files" one see,s on the net are wrong and full of mis info. So hard copy documentation is a must!!! Then you can blow everybody away and tell them their "files" suck, as you have hard copy proof ! not copied internet files. >>

Means dont believe evreything you see on the net ! nor documents you have not seen first hand. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] State Historical Libraries > What does this mean? What is the significance? I am uneducated in this > matter. > > In a message dated 8/21/03 5:34:50 PM, [email protected] writes: > > << Sarah, > Windwalker is correct -- document everything because there is a lot of > misinformation floating around -- and not only about the Couch family. > It is in most families I've found. And don't forget -- New York was > once New Amsterdam and settled by Dutch. > Joyce > >> > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

DAnny, I am off to the Gulf beaches for a week. Hope you are not blown away. Saw a picture in paper today of Avon all boarded up. Good luck and God Bless Bob Couch ---------- >From: "Danny Couch" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [COUCH] anyone there? >Date: Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 9:38 AM > >Hey Joyce, >I couldn't make it to Raleigh NC to meet with Robert Hill Couch. He and I >corresponded offlist about this and he is there by himself, I think he will >be back in AL on Monday. Danny Couch >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: August 23, 2003 10:43 AM >Subject: Re: [COUCH] anyone there? > > >> Are Robert and Danny both in NC and/or VA doing research? >> Joyce >> >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you Windwalker for the information on where some of the Couch family still lives in North Carolina. I have a person or two I can contact to see if they know anything about them. Thanks again, Nancy Eva Dear, Thank you for posting this information on Couch death certificates in Genforum. I too hope to able to use it to track back to 1830 and find out who the Couch family was there. Do you live in North Carolina? Perhaps you still know some of the people there? Such as Towery's, Mooney, Mauney, Taylor, Sills/Seals etc. McCurry, Jones, Tate and a few more that I can't remember at the moment? Nancy --- Windwalker <[email protected]> wrote: > Some Couch still live in Forest City Nc > which is Rutherford Co. > They are linked to the Ky lineage > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 11:53 AM > Subject: [COUCH] Glad you found my information I > posted Nancy > > > > Nancy Dear , Glad you found this information I > posted on the Gen Forum > board > > as to the Couch and Lynches in Rutherford Co NC. > Do hope someone can use > it > > ..............Eva Couch Swaney > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Eva, I do apologize as I did not finish my sentence on my message as "finding it on Genforum and your name. As a Couch researcher I wrongly assumed since you had put it on a public forum that I could use it to discover who the Couch family was in Rutherford Co., NC. Again I apologize and did not mean to imply that it was my work. Sincerely, Nancy not Long Legs --- [email protected] wrote: > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:48:49 EDT > Subject: Couch and Lynches > To: [email protected] > > Ok Long legs , > I know I put this info on the Couch Gen Forum and > did not expect you to pass > this along as yours .............Eva Couch Swaney > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Is anyone else on the Couch list that might be researching Samuel Couch born ca 1800 in SC and moved to Gwinnett and Clarke Counties GA? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Windwalker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > Yes its clear there were several Joseph > One same age or older as John of Ky > and he is the one thats always close to John in NC/Va > > the other one is son of Martin > then again the other side of the line had "Joseph,s also" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > > > > Kathy, > > Joseph of 1850, 1860 and 1870 is not the same Joseph on the 1816 Clay > > Co KY tax list. He would, as I said, have been only about 10 or 11 yrs > > of age at that time. There was a 2nd Joseph in the area, and he was > > much older. He is the one who never showed on a census there, He was > > only on the tax lists for the one year. And everywhere we've tracked > > John recently, there is also Joseph. A very reasonable deduction that > > they were related. As we all know, families tended to band together > > back then. > > Joyce > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

KAY, THANKS FOR THE INFORMATIONI FEROM THE BETTY COUCH BOOK. I FOUND IT MOST INTERESTING. HOWEVER, I AM FINDING IT MOST DIFFICULT TO GET ANYONE TO CLAIM MALACHI AND MY THOMAS COUCH. THEIR ANCESTORS REMAIN AN UNSOLVED MYSTERY. BOB COUCH ---------- >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [COUCH] Questions ref. John Couch son of Drury >Date: Fri, Sep 12, 2003, 10:10 PM > >thinks for the the additional info -- wonder if this leads us to look to >Scotland for our ancestors -- and there are Grants in the Couches... >In a message dated 9/12/03 8:29:34 PM, [email protected] writes: > ><< I must have missed the first part of this dialog, but may I add, the term > >Urquhart also reffers to the area and the remains of Urquarth Castle, on > >the shores of Loch Ness in Scottland, near Inverness. > >This area of Scottland is the location from which the "Grant" clan > >orginates. Grant, is one of my other family groups, as is Couch. > >Eddie > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 2:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [COUCH] Questions ref. John Couch son of Drury > > > >> Kay, I looked on the names website and there isn't a meaning for Urquarth. > >> The closes to the name in the dictionary is Urquhart,Sir Thomas(1611-60), > >> Scottish translator of three books of Rabelais(1653,1693). Paula > >> >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Page 398 1850 Perry County Ky Martin Couch 65m Farmer NC (bc1785) Sarah 65 f VA ( bc1785) Rebecca Hall 09 f Ky (bc1841) John Hall 07 m Ky (bc1843) 397 Joseph Couch 45m Farmer NC (bc 1805 ) Mary 29 f VA (bc1831) Sally 13 f Ky (bc1837) Samuel 09 m Ky (bc1841) John 11 m Ky (bc1831) Martha 07 f Ky (bc 1843) William 05 m Ky (bc1845) Mary 25 f Ky (bc 1825) David Hall 28 m VA Carpenter (bc1822) 349 Thomas Couch 38 m Farmer NC (bc1812) Elizabeth 36 f Ky (bc1814) William 20 m Ky (bc1830) Cassey 19 f Ky ( bc1831) Lucinda 05 f Ky (bc1835) John 13 m Ky (bc1837) Anderson 11 m Ky (bc1839) Malinda 09 f Ky ( bc1841) Rachel 07f Ky (bc1843) Clinton 05 m Ky ( bc1845) Elizabeth 03 f Ky (bc1847) Hopkins Co Ky 1850 135 James D. Couch Sr. 47 m VA (bc1803) Mary Ann 36 f Va ( bc1814) Thomas J. COUCH 53 m NC (bc1797) Jas. P. 09 m Ky (bc1841) Thomas 08 m Ky (bc1842) Warren L. 06 m Ky (bc 1844) Arabella 05 f Ky (bc1845) Leah 03 f Ky (bc1847) Infant (no sex stated) 3/12 Ky (bc1850) Have to Go By what it said on these census as from NC or Virginia .All Couches seem to to have sand in their shoes and love to travel. ...............Eva Couch Swaney

John Couch, Ship carpenter died 1803 New Hanover Co.Wilmington NC. ( This John Couch born in the 1700's) Source: Newspaper Deaths 1803-1811 NC. 1800 State census lists Jacob Couch Wilkes Co p14 John Couch Ash Co p 75 Joseph Couch Ash Co p 76 Meshack Couch Guilford Co p 679 Thomas Couch Orange Co p 615 William Couch Orange Co p 614 Couch 1810 Census state Edward Couch Orange Co p142 Isaac Couch Ash Co p151 J. Couch Ash Co p 007 J. Couch Ash Co p 008 Meshack Couch Guilford p152 S. Couch Orange p157 Samuel Couch Orange p.157 Samuel Couch Orange p151 Samuel Couch Guilford p 163 Could Not find where NC lost a John Couch from the NC Census... But could be from Va or an older John. William Couch Sr. died Nov. 15 1877 Source :Raliegh Observer Newspaper issue : 28 Nov 1877 Hope this helps someone Eva Couch Swaney

Nancy Dear , Glad you found this information I posted on the Gen Forum board as to the Couch and Lynches in Rutherford Co NC. Do hope someone can use it ..............Eva Couch Swaney