Richard look at the material I sent you and you can find what you are saying is true. James had a son that he named John. John married twice in VA. To Anderson sisters and he moved his family to KY. My ggrandfather is from the second marriage. He had all of his children with him when he moved to KY. ellen

Robert, According to Ellen's research, I am a descendent of John Couch, born before 1748 in Jamestown colony, Virginia. His father was Captain John Couch, born in England. Ellen's James, another son of Captain John, was born in England. That says to me that Captain John came to the Jamestown/Williamsburg area of Virginia in the early 1740's. It's unlikely that John and James were the only children Captain John had. Does the 1740s dates fit what you know about your early America ancestors? If James and John moved to Buckingham County, it's likely that their siblings moved elsewhere and could be your ancestors. That would make Captain John DNA Group 5's common ancestor. cousin Richard of Tulsa

Robert would lie me to send you what I have on the "John and James" Couch who are the two sons (I only know of two but probably there are others) of John Couch. Sure would be a lot simpler for me rather than trying to explain the stupid naming of respective children and besides this they married lst cousins and then some of the sons married their sister in laws when a brother died. Maybe later today before I am home but will email this mess if you wish. ellen

Ellen, IN the episile I just sent you I failed to mention that there was also a James Couch. IN fact, Thomas, William and James were all listed in Hotten's list of 1730 to be in Virginia. Then, on a map of Orange County, NC Thomas & William have adjoining land grants and James Couch has one nearby. Robert H.Couch ---------- >From: "emcht" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2003, 9:43 AM > >No the brother of this John Couch was James Couch and that is my line and I >have all the children and they are all accounted as well as the next >generation. In fact, I am generation 6 from the James Couch. Goes like >this: James>John>Orrel>Ora Emma(Ora Emma Couch is my grandmother and she >married Lemuel Pleasant Hunt)>my father>me. >Will help you if I can. ellen > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ellen, Most interested in the John Couch you described as father of John Couch. Was it the son or the father John Sr. born before 1748 in Jamestown, VA? What I believe is my line is Thomas Couch who may have married Elizabeth in Bristol Parrish, Brunswick County, VA. Brunswick County (now Lunenburg Co, VA) is where Thomas received 566 acres on Pinelick branch (now Couches Creek) on the northern branches of North Merherrrin river. His letters of patents granting land was recorded in Williamsburg and dated in 1720. He had a son named Thomas Jr who was there in the same place and was born either 1710 or 1720. A proven brother of this Thomas Jr was William. Other possible brothers (or cousins) in Lunenbug County about that time were Matthew (son of Thomas and Elizabeth b July 1725), James, Edward and John. I recently visited the area which is now Lunenburg County (originally Prince George and then Brunswick Counties). Dr Richard Couch of Tulsa, Oklahoma is a descendent of John and James Couch who settled in Buckingham County, VA and Ron Couch is a descendent of John Couch (father of Martin Couch) who moved to Kentucky from Ashe County, NC and died there about 1840. Both Richard, Ron and I are among others who have matching COUCH DNA. It appears that the John Couch SR you describe from Jamestown might just be a link with these Couches I mentioned in Lunenburg County, VA from about 1720 to 1739 and Jamestown, VA Couches. Could this John Sr be the common ancestor of all the Grooup 5 Couch DNA members? This is certainly an interesting possibility. What do you think? Robert H. Couch >From: "emcht" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2003, 5:55 AM > >Sarah, this is what I have on Marton Couch. Don't take as gospel as I have >never tried to search this line. >John Couch is the son of John Couch born before 1748 in Jamestown VA. He >married Rebecca. She died 13 Marh 1840. Children: >Thomas born 1770 >William born 1770 >Fefrie C. born 1775. I have never found this name before but he is on the >1820 census , page 785 for Buckingham Co, VA. >Jeremiah, born 1776 and married Agatha Gibson in 1820 >Marton, born 1780 >David , born 1782 >Lewis, born 1783 >Nicholas, born 1784 >Marchant born 1785, buckingham Co VA and on the 1840 censu, page 350 for >Buckingham VA >James born 1795 > >Seems as tho these had an active night time life. A baby every year. >good luck in searching. ellen > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Could be. I have an Alfresey or Alfrecy in my family history on another line and we found him sometime as Alversy. --- "Joyce H. Reeves" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > Who is researching Edward Couch of Middlesex Co > VA? On one site, his > wife is listed as Apsilla Watson. On another, she > is listed as > Averilla. My question is could her name have been > Effarilla? My 3rd gr > grandmother was Effarilla Moore. Her son, Allen > Moore, married a great > granddau of John and Mary/Polly Boone Couch of Perry > County KY. > Effarilla (sometimes spelled with one f) is a very > unusual given name. > In fact, I can find only about 5-6 women with that > name on various > search engines. My Effarilla, from all indications, > had Moore relation > in Brunswick and Lunenburg Counties, VA. Could > there be a relationship > somewhere, or am I just grasping at feathers in the > wind ??? > Joyce > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Hi, Who is researching Edward Couch of Middlesex Co VA? On one site, his wife is listed as Apsilla Watson. On another, she is listed as Averilla. My question is could her name have been Effarilla? My 3rd gr grandmother was Effarilla Moore. Her son, Allen Moore, married a great granddau of John and Mary/Polly Boone Couch of Perry County KY. Effarilla (sometimes spelled with one f) is a very unusual given name. In fact, I can find only about 5-6 women with that name on various search engines. My Effarilla, from all indications, had Moore relation in Brunswick and Lunenburg Counties, VA. Could there be a relationship somewhere, or am I just grasping at feathers in the wind ??? Joyce

No the brother of this John Couch was James Couch and that is my line and I have all the children and they are all accounted as well as the next generation. In fact, I am generation 6 from the James Couch. Goes like this: James>John>Orrel>Ora Emma(Ora Emma Couch is my grandmother and she married Lemuel Pleasant Hunt)>my father>me. Will help you if I can. ellen

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? > Ellen, > "a baby every year" -- makes me wonder if all these children really > belonged to the same couple. Most families back then had children > aproximately every other year. Could some of them have belonged to a > brother of John? I note too, rather long periods of time between some > of these births, which could indicate some babies born and died, or > maybe even a 2nd marriage for John. > What I've found interesting is the names of the Buckingham Couches > being so similar to those of John Couch of Perry County. i.e. > Martin/Marton, and James Bartlett, as well as John etc. > Joyce > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Ellen, "a baby every year" -- makes me wonder if all these children really belonged to the same couple. Most families back then had children aproximately every other year. Could some of them have belonged to a brother of John? I note too, rather long periods of time between some of these births, which could indicate some babies born and died, or maybe even a 2nd marriage for John. What I've found interesting is the names of the Buckingham Couches being so similar to those of John Couch of Perry County. i.e. Martin/Marton, and James Bartlett, as well as John etc. Joyce

Sarah, this is what I have on Marton Couch. Don't take as gospel as I have never tried to search this line. John Couch is the son of John Couch born before 1748 in Jamestown VA. He married Rebecca. She died 13 Marh 1840. Children: Thomas born 1770 William born 1770 Fefrie C. born 1775. I have never found this name before but he is on the 1820 census , page 785 for Buckingham Co, VA. Jeremiah, born 1776 and married Agatha Gibson in 1820 Marton, born 1780 David , born 1782 Lewis, born 1783 Nicholas, born 1784 Marchant born 1785, buckingham Co VA and on the 1840 censu, page 350 for Buckingham VA James born 1795 Seems as tho these had an active night time life. A baby every year. good luck in searching. ellen

I AM SORRY BUT I CANNOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION SARAH ----- Original Message ----- From: "emcht" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? > Isn't this Marton Couch the son of John and Rebecca Couch. ellen > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

i AGREE JOYCE!! Gerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > Cousins, > I for one resent anyone assuming to be able to "fix" my line. IF it > needs fixing, I am well qualified, with over 20 years experience as a > serious researcher, to "fix" it myself. > Joyce > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

AMEN ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > Kathy > The bottom line is this...............How many people from your line (ALL > LINES) , is determine to hunt & search & fight to get this ....mess straighent > out. > 1 or 2 can't get it done. > Looks like Va. woke up, how abt Conn., WV, NC, SC, Tenn, Ala, & everything in > between & beyond? > Couch's LOOK OUTSIDE THE BOX! > Family the word is determination! HOW bad do you want to put your family > together & what will you do to find your line! RESEARCH! > DON'T BE INTIMADATED BY THOSE THAT DO ! > FIGHT for your family. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Kathy The bottom line is this...............How many people from your line (ALL LINES) , is determine to hunt & search & fight to get this ....mess straighent out. 1 or 2 can't get it done. Looks like Va. woke up, how abt Conn., WV, NC, SC, Tenn, Ala, & everything in between & beyond? Couch's LOOK OUTSIDE THE BOX! Family the word is determination! HOW bad do you want to put your family together & what will you do to find your line! RESEARCH! DON'T BE INTIMADATED BY THOSE THAT DO ! FIGHT for your family.

Sorry Sam....I don't follow? This certificate is listed under Fayette Co. as place of death....there is no mention of Owsley Co?? Kathy > And BY the way for the record > On your swap site you have info on John Couch born 1870 died 1917 > He is not from Owsley Co nor lived there.. nor had relation there > I know He is my G grandfather > He did die in Lexington, that part is true.

Joyce, Word "challenge" was used by windwalker but I guess in a sense thats what it was. I know you and a few others are working hard on this and maybe you are the only ones remaining of the original twelve researchers posted? You have all made some great discoveries lately! Just find it a shame that there seems to be a discontented undercurrent bent on causing division and placing blame on individuals.....not where it belongs. We all need to work together and it's getting increasingly difficult. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > Kathy, > I wasn't aware a challenge had been issued to any of us. I didn't > read that in your post. We ARE working together as a family unit -- > trying to find those from whom we descend, and making sure they're the > right ones this time. We know there is a lot of incorrect stuff on the > internet, and what we are doing is going after the real, accurate, > documented stuff. AND we have been finding it. Lots of it. It is there > if one only knows where and when to look. > Joyce

Isn't this Marton Couch the son of John and Rebecca Couch. ellen

Sarah, Here we go with family traditions again, but yes -- from Wales. There are several Lewis families in VA/NC/KY who go back to Wales. Mine go back to James Theopholus Lewis, Sr, supposed to have been born in Wales 1736, immigrated with father ?Nathaniel?. I don't think Nathaniel has been proved. At least not by me. James' son, James T. Jr. is the one who married Sarah/Sally Couch -- both born in 1770's. They were in Ashe Co the same time John and Joseph Couch lived there. To date, can't find a marriage record for James T. Jr and Sally, because we don't know where they married. I'm guesstimating 1795/96, since their first child, William Martin was born 1797. Another "set" of Lewis's came from David Lewis who md Ann Terrell, had son William Terrell Lewis who is my ex husbands ancestor. David may be the son of John Lewis. Both Lewis lines are ancestors of Gerri who posts on here from time to time. We have recently been sent a big file on the Wm. T. Lewis line from one of my Bradley "cousins". We can't prove our Bradley relationship though. Like most files, the Lewis one needs to be checked thoroughly. I can forward if you'd like. Joyce

Sam....the majority of this does not deserve to be answered. You see things that simply don't exist except in your own mind. I told you Bill emailed me after I sent that "challenge" asking "what can I do to help" and that was only in reply to your email implying conspiracy! Now is that the same as saying HE was going to fix it? AND....I only told you that after your suspicions started flying around again. I only suggested maybe he took them down until it COULD be fixed??? No way am I involved in trying to fix it. That's the job of the twelve! Now....I wonder how that just got all twisted around? Hold no grudges huh.......but you still delight in trying to plant those conspiracy seeds about and making threats. I doubt those reading the posts at myfamily would agree with that or any others you've decided to make a hobby of bullying. They're all just glad it's now someone elses turn. You simply can't stand anyone to disagree with you and I'm tired of being polite about it. For the record.....I did NOT support your idea of another KY list and told you so with valid reasons. It went down hill from there with your endless false accusations about others that I could no longer stand to watch without defending them. I've always been one to stand up to bullys.....sorry 'bout that! Now...since it's my turn to take the punishment..... Bring it on...... End of subject. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Windwalker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Martin Couch KY Line > I hold no grudges > You posted awhile back on this list the confusion on the john/Martin line > and you openly challenged the Martin Line here on this list > You then admitted to talking to Bill of him emailing you as how to fix it > then it disappears... all researchers disappear > except you.. now how strange is that??? > I call it as I see it and others do to > I see a snake in the grass and its called swapsource > Im not the only one believe me that has seen past some of your stuff > {myfamily} > Real durn strange Bill comes to you to ask help on fixing Martins line > as if you are the expert > Heck even your DNA didnt match what you thought it would > Naw I call em as I see them.. and to many people have seen it to > Im not delusional at all. I just see past all the stuff going on..As well as > some others. > > And I will say this, I bet you dont get no more info outa Patsy... > > Naw a snake in the grass is just that... > >