Below is the key point of this email. I think it's pretty clear to most rational people. I wrote this letter in response to the tiny discontented element constantly complaining and back biting on this subject. The archives do indeed contain the truth on this matter and if anyone has any further questions about this, I will only reply offlist....maybe. I hope this thread is closed?? How about it Joe? Kathy > Ok, now I've had my fun with the sarcasm. The couchgenweb chart for Martin > has TWELVE researchers listed. We're all thankful to Bill for his > willingness to make space and try to put these people together to work on > their common families. The chart posted is what these families have > submitted and the data at the Perry Co. Genweb site is the work of one > person. As you can see there are major problems here and proper attention > is long overdue. Who is responsible for straightening this out? Come on > KY!...let's see some shared interest and ideas for getting this fixed!

Bill......I don't blame you for one minute for taking down the charts. It is your site and your choice on how to run it. Also, some don't realize or care to that the charts are there to put others together who are working on the same families. I have often told people to contact you if there is a problem and I think most do, but there is always a tiny discontented element out there that just likes to twist things and stir up trouble. Your site is unique and original in the genweb project. As for myself, and many others....THANK YOU, for all your time and effort! You are truly appreciated and maybe not told often enough. Kathleen Couch Latshaw Kentucky Couch Kin http://swapasource.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Couch" <bcouch@CouchGenweb.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY > The John And Mary Boone line was taken down because this group has been > bashing the CouchGenWeb for havin it up long enough. > Claiming they was up without Documented proof and ect. As you state your > self I provide this info for others to find others who are working on > their same line. This line has started fudes and ect on the list and has > just about killed it. Some from this line has been against the DNA > project and sent out messates to everyone and has just about killed > that. > I feel it was a very good thing and has acomplished a lot. > > If the ones listed on the John Couch line will contact me and work with > me on the line and keep it updated, I will put it back up. But it it is > going to be a tool to be used agains me I will leave it down. > > All of the ones listed on the page has asked to be listed there, and > have sent messages stating their connection, No one has connected me and > told me I had some of their info wrong. but has use the mail list to > bash the chart and twist thing around. > > I will not answer any more on this matter on this list. If you wish to > talk to me about it contact me personally. > > This list is for Genealogy, Not to have a fude on. It is in trouble > because of this now. > > Bill Couch > William & Diane Jones wrote: > > > > This is meant not to offend anyone but... > > > > I understand there are questions about lines that are being worked out and > > all but if we all keep bickering among ourselves nothing will get > > accomplished. > > > > To my knowledge, Bill is not paid to put his time and effort into this page. > > If he sees all this arguing he may just throw up his hands,shut down the > > page, and walk away to leave it up to someone else to do. > > > > I for one appreciate his time and effort. He is only doing what he feels is > > best at the time. > > > > Hang in there things will get worked out. I don't feel there are any evil > > plots afoot :). > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

John Couch chart is back up at http://www.couchgenweb.com/couch/johnc.htm Bill Couch

Thanks Eva for putting this on here. I had found several families that were seemingly relationed but did not understand for sure why they were between N and S Carolina. This would have perhaps been around or up to the 1840-50 era? I had thought it may have been Indian trouble. Thanks Nancy --- evafromnc@aol.com wrote: > Checking the Cherokee Indian Census in this area > found that the white men > that had married Indian women and had children then > goverment had declaired that > this marriage was not legal and several of the white > men had remarried and > some had not.( This was stated on the census) > West Virginia was cut off from Virginia when > Virginia decided to succeed from > the Union and Western part of Va did NOT and became > Wva about the time of the > Civil War. > Many of the SC people and their Family's left SC and > went back to NC when > there was an Indian uprising in SC so with them > moving back and foward across the > state line was for their safety. Later when they had > the Indians peaceful > again many moved back to their SC homes and some did > not. > This could be why your Couch Family moved back to > NC, or back to SC. > When They had pushed the Indians out of Ga . Land > grants were available then > for settlement and loads of people from both NC and > SC went to Ga.Need to > check for dates of this event. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Bill...stay the course...Thanks for your work...and IT I YOUR Site!! I appreciate just being able to "use" it...hey let's all quit acting like a dysfunctional family! Let's have fun lookin for our ancestors...it's not about right or wrong...it's about looking for the truth....thanx..Jess Jess Headley U-Joints, Inc. 6310 Genoa Drive Suite D Lubbock, Texas 79490 806 794-6742 jess@ujointsinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Couch [mailto:bcouch@CouchGenweb.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:18 PM To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY The John And Mary Boone line was taken down because this group has been bashing the CouchGenWeb for havin it up long enough. Claiming they was up without Documented proof and ect. As you state your self I provide this info for others to find others who are working on their same line. This line has started fudes and ect on the list and has just about killed it. Some from this line has been against the DNA project and sent out messates to everyone and has just about killed that. I feel it was a very good thing and has acomplished a lot. If the ones listed on the John Couch line will contact me and work with me on the line and keep it updated, I will put it back up. But it it is going to be a tool to be used agains me I will leave it down. All of the ones listed on the page has asked to be listed there, and have sent messages stating their connection, No one has connected me and told me I had some of their info wrong. but has use the mail list to bash the chart and twist thing around. I will not answer any more on this matter on this list. If you wish to talk to me about it contact me personally. This list is for Genealogy, Not to have a fude on. It is in trouble because of this now. Bill Couch William & Diane Jones wrote: > > This is meant not to offend anyone but... > > I understand there are questions about lines that are being worked out > and all but if we all keep bickering among ourselves nothing will get > accomplished. > > To my knowledge, Bill is not paid to put his time and effort into this > page. If he sees all this arguing he may just throw up his hands,shut > down the page, and walk away to leave it up to someone else to do. > > I for one appreciate his time and effort. He is only doing what he > feels is best at the time. > > Hang in there things will get worked out. I don't feel there are any > evil plots afoot :). > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Bob, Windwalker posted this to the list -- we have a document with her name on it - Mary Elizabeth Boon, with childe, wife of John Couch, dated 1774, in VA. We feel the "childe" was my ancestress, Sarah/Sally Couch, b 1774. That's why we've been using a fine toothed comb searching in VA/WV. We know they were there. I note spelling of name Boon. I don't know if that is significant or not. Tradition says Boone. Thanks for asking. Joyce

Hi Sarah, I've never heard any one mention James T. Lewis being Cherokee, or any other tribe of NA. What I have heard is my grandfather said "there are Indians in the family" -- he didn't say which branch of the family. If you find anything about NA in the Lewis family, Gerri and I would sure like to know about it. On the other hand, though, it is tradition in the descendants of James T. and Sally Couch Lewis, that her mother, Mary/Polly was dau of a Boone and an Indian woman. As everyone knows by now, we can't find proof of that -- yet. Joyce

Archives do not denote anyone was bashing the John Couch line archives denote, in the last go around the questioning of Martin Couch, s children By at least one person. {not me} Attempts to clear some of the historical dates pertaining to the line, went un heeded by you Bill. { just stating fact} Its come to light, that you contacted a person to help straighten the line. ANd after that the line went down Do you take down all lines, that others have questions on? Is is wrong to question DNA, when its not showing what was expected? Nor linking what others though it would. Others have asked you concerning info, and you have not answered them. What you have done by taking down the whole line is unfair in whole and in part. But you pay the server for info on the domain either private or commercial Its real funny one person, that admits you had contact with tells several people they have been contacted to "help" with the line. Not one post to this list has been seen where anyone questioned the John Couch line There was ONE post made of the problems with the Martin Couch line.... and thats in archives. So you pull the whole linage? So inpart what you said is ones on the line contact YOU with their documents and supply them to you and then you will ad them? People question your Arkansas line all the time.. how come they aint down? This is the same kinda stuff you did Bill on the US GenWeb project in 96/97 pulling info and walking away from it. Your excuse for pulling the whole line is lame at best. and you have really upset ALOT of people If it all came to light You and one other person made the decision to pull the info. Their info still remains at present. I will say it appears you want now people to send info to you and most of it paid for I might add to put it back up? Naw dont buy it... Others other than me have questioned certain lines pertaining to John and later they have not got answers either. What you have done dont surprize me or who had a hand in getting all pulled Since the demise of the original US Genweb and its falling apart of which you had a hand in nothing surprizes me So as it stands now per your posts You have eliminated the whole line from couchgenweb Im sure others are not happy with your decision. You took all your marbles and went home.. dont surprize me in the least. What you did just made the ky lines pull more together. maybe thanks sould be given PS Questioning dates on the line and where you original got them was against the rules? Or asking for your sourse? on how you posted them? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Couch" <bcouch@CouchGenweb.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY > The John And Mary Boone line was taken down because this group has been > bashing the CouchGenWeb for havin it up long enough. > Claiming they was up without Documented proof and ect. As you state your > self I provide this info for others to find others who are working on > their same line. This line has started fudes and ect on the list and has > just about killed it. Some from this line has been against the DNA > project and sent out messates to everyone and has just about killed > that. > I feel it was a very good thing and has acomplished a lot. > > If the ones listed on the John Couch line will contact me and work with > me on the line and keep it updated, I will put it back up. But it it is > going to be a tool to be used agains me I will leave it down. > > All of the ones listed on the page has asked to be listed there, and > have sent messages stating their connection, No one has connected me and > told me I had some of their info wrong. but has use the mail list to > bash the chart and twist thing around. > > I will not answer any more on this matter on this list. If you wish to > talk to me about it contact me personally. > > This list is for Genealogy, Not to have a fude on. It is in trouble > because of this now. > > Bill Couch > William & Diane Jones wrote: > > > > This is meant not to offend anyone but... > > > > I understand there are questions about lines that are being worked out and > > all but if we all keep bickering among ourselves nothing will get > > accomplished. > > > > To my knowledge, Bill is not paid to put his time and effort into this page. > > If he sees all this arguing he may just throw up his hands,shut down the > > page, and walk away to leave it up to someone else to do. > > > > I for one appreciate his time and effort. He is only doing what he feels is > > best at the time. > > > > Hang in there things will get worked out. I don't feel there are any evil > > plots afoot :). > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is meant not to offend anyone but... I understand there are questions about lines that are being worked out and all but if we all keep bickering among ourselves nothing will get accomplished. To my knowledge, Bill is not paid to put his time and effort into this page. If he sees all this arguing he may just throw up his hands,shut down the page, and walk away to leave it up to someone else to do. I for one appreciate his time and effort. He is only doing what he feels is best at the time. Hang in there things will get worked out. I don't feel there are any evil plots afoot :). Diane (Couch) Jones Jeremiah Couch Sr. line Russell Co. VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:24 AM Subject: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY > Would someone please explain to me WHY our lines have been removed from > Bill's Couch Genealogy site? Or WHY none of us were consulted before > deciding to remove them. Why was John's and Elizabeth's son Martin's > line then returned to the site with no parents in evidence? All of us > are well aware there were problems with the line as submitted, but we > are working on it. Rome was not built in a day you know. It seems > common courtesy should have been extended to those of us who are well > aware from whom we descend. That is a given. Now I notice that > Martin's line has been pulled once again. Are we being played with like > cat and mouse games? Who is responsible for all of this? All of us > have a right to know who is trying to mess up our family's lines, and > why it is being done. > Joyce House-Reeves, > gggg granddau of John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon Couch (established > FACT) > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Bill, if you are who I think you are and live in Pine Bluff, then just think of those who complain as a feud among Department Heads who want their little world of cream to rise to the top. You have been around education long enough to know what I mean. best wishes. ellen

The John And Mary Boone line was taken down because this group has been bashing the CouchGenWeb for havin it up long enough. Claiming they was up without Documented proof and ect. As you state your self I provide this info for others to find others who are working on their same line. This line has started fudes and ect on the list and has just about killed it. Some from this line has been against the DNA project and sent out messates to everyone and has just about killed that. I feel it was a very good thing and has acomplished a lot. If the ones listed on the John Couch line will contact me and work with me on the line and keep it updated, I will put it back up. But it it is going to be a tool to be used agains me I will leave it down. All of the ones listed on the page has asked to be listed there, and have sent messages stating their connection, No one has connected me and told me I had some of their info wrong. but has use the mail list to bash the chart and twist thing around. I will not answer any more on this matter on this list. If you wish to talk to me about it contact me personally. This list is for Genealogy, Not to have a fude on. It is in trouble because of this now. Bill Couch William & Diane Jones wrote: > > This is meant not to offend anyone but... > > I understand there are questions about lines that are being worked out and > all but if we all keep bickering among ourselves nothing will get > accomplished. > > To my knowledge, Bill is not paid to put his time and effort into this page. > If he sees all this arguing he may just throw up his hands,shut down the > page, and walk away to leave it up to someone else to do. > > I for one appreciate his time and effort. He is only doing what he feels is > best at the time. > > Hang in there things will get worked out. I don't feel there are any evil > plots afoot :). >

Documentation {original } has been found this summer, that in fact she exsisted and was indeed married to "A John Couch" The original document has been looked at by other Boon/Couch researchers. The said doucmentation does not state birth year or death, but indeed does state she is the wife of "a John Couch". The same document also has the name "Joseph" in the same body of the document although no last name for him. The fact that so many was placing strong pressure on the name "Polly" was misleading. When infact "Polly" was a generic name of the era {colonial} In colonial names Polly= elizabeth most of the time. Even though no records were found per say in Ashe or others areas. It was most likely due to the fact Ashe was not a county at the time of her death. This report was generated by early reports of Gladys Frazier. What has developed, by documents found {all original} was that the Boons were in Va extensively more so than in NC. They did infact go back and forth to NC from NC There are several John/Joseph Couch in VA in the time frame so mentioned. the "John" we refer to who married both Mary and later Elizabeth did indeed travel from VA into NC and back almost on a regular basis. He always had in party a "Joseph" as noted in other documentation Who Johns father is is unknown.... at this time... What has surfaced is a direct document tieing him to a Mary Boon and also a Joseph. At present three other researchers have seen and examined the documents Although no "dates for birth or death of Mary are on said. It does prove her and in a pre war timeframe What has not surfaced is who her parents are. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Couch, Robert H. " <rcouchauburn@mindspring.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY > Joyce, > > Tell me more of the established fact of Mary Elizabeth Boon Couch's > existance. I thought no record existed of her exixstance even after > Windwalker did extensive research trying to find her. > Perhaps I missed something. > > Robert H. Couch > ---------- > >From: JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net (Joyce H. Reeves) > >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY > >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 12:24 AM > > > > >Would someone please explain to me WHY our lines have been removed from > >Bill's Couch Genealogy site? Or WHY none of us were consulted before > >deciding to remove them. Why was John's and Elizabeth's son Martin's > >line then returned to the site with no parents in evidence? All of us > >are well aware there were problems with the line as submitted, but we > >are working on it. Rome was not built in a day you know. It seems > >common courtesy should have been extended to those of us who are well > >aware from whom we descend. That is a given. Now I notice that > >Martin's line has been pulled once again. Are we being played with like > >cat and mouse games? Who is responsible for all of this? All of us > >have a right to know who is trying to mess up our family's lines, and > >why it is being done. > > Joyce House-Reeves, > > gggg granddau of John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon Couch (established > >FACT) > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I am not proficient on using the computer but here is what I can do to help. I use Family Tree Maker and input my material in FTM. I can copy the material you want and send it within an email but it will be 31 pages long. (I just checked this to be certain) This will give you what I have and includes all the notes, etc thru this family. Will send when you reply. ellen

Richard, This possibility of finding our English common ancstor for all us Group 5 members is really exciting. What I know is: 1. A Thomas Couch Sr received land patents recorded in Williamsburg in 1720. At the time he received this land (566 acres on Pine Lick Branch now Couches Creek in what is now Lunenburg Co, VA) the land was probably in Prince George County, VA and in 1732 became Brunswick County, VA, and Lunenburg County, VA in 1746. 2. Thomas Couch Jr was born either 1710 or 1720 in VA. 3. Thomas Couch Sr sold Thomas Couch Jr land in what is now Lunenburg Co, VA in 1736. 4. Along with Thomas Couch Sr and Jr were a Matthew Couch born to Thomas and Elizabeth Couch in Bristol Parish, (probably Prince George Co, VA); William Couch (a proven brother of Thomas); James Couch, John Couch and Edward Couch. All were in what is now Lunenburg Co, VA but I am not sure of the relationship of all ot these Couches. Yet, most likely reltated. Thus, if Thomas Couch Jr was born in 1720 then his father Thomas Couch Sr would have been born on or before 1700. These folks seem to have been in VA before the 1740s but could have been related in some way to the Captain John Couch. Let us see if we can explore this hypothesis in depth. Several of the Group 5 DNA Couch folks seem to have been related to those in Lunenburg County, VA. Myself, Danny Couch, Robert Couch and Kathryn Hopkins, Robert Murphy Couch etc. The key I believe may just be with this Captain John Couch of England. Let us join forces to see if this is our common ancestor. As you will recall, those taking the 25 marker DNA test and matching will have a common ancestor withing 7 generations. Marlin Hershel, Daniel C. Couch, Bill Couch, Roert Marion Couch, Richard Couch, Larry Parr, Robert Murphy, Robert Couch and his niece Kathryn Hopkins all have near perfect matches on the 25 marker DNA test. Thus, their common ancestor should be within seven generations. Not too far back. The Captain John Couch of England just might be our man. How can we examine this hypothesis further? Ellen just may be on to something. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: RCouch1148@aol.com >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 1:39 PM > >Robert, > According to Ellen's research, I am a descendent of John Couch, born >before 1748 in Jamestown colony, Virginia. His father was Captain John Couch, >born in England. Ellen's James, another son of Captain John, was born in >England. That says to me that Captain John came to the Jamestown/Williamsburg >area of Virginia in the early 1740's. It's unlikely that John and James were the >only children Captain John had. Does the 1740s dates fit what you know about >your early America ancestors? If James and John moved to Buckingham County, >it's likely that their siblings moved elsewhere and could be your ancestors. >That would make Captain John DNA Group 5's common ancestor. > cousin Richard of Tulsa > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Does anyone know if the Lewis....husband of Sarah Couch Lewis.....was a Cherokee Indian Sarah Rierson iowamom@prairieinet.net

Joyce, Tell me more of the established fact of Mary Elizabeth Boon Couch's existance. I thought no record existed of her exixstance even after Windwalker did extensive research trying to find her. Perhaps I missed something. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net (Joyce H. Reeves) >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 12:24 AM > >Would someone please explain to me WHY our lines have been removed from >Bill's Couch Genealogy site? Or WHY none of us were consulted before >deciding to remove them. Why was John's and Elizabeth's son Martin's >line then returned to the site with no parents in evidence? All of us >are well aware there were problems with the line as submitted, but we >are working on it. Rome was not built in a day you know. It seems >common courtesy should have been extended to those of us who are well >aware from whom we descend. That is a given. Now I notice that >Martin's line has been pulled once again. Are we being played with like >cat and mouse games? Who is responsible for all of this? All of us >have a right to know who is trying to mess up our family's lines, and >why it is being done. > Joyce House-Reeves, > gggg granddau of John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon Couch (established >FACT) > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ellen, I have the line provided me by Dr. Richard Couch of Oklahoma. I would love to see your line. What I am most interested in is finding the Common Ancestor of Group 5 in the Couch DNA project. Since we know that Dr. Richard Couch is a member of this group (his group and that of yours came from Buckingham County, VA) and that Richard is related to those Lunenburg County, VA, Orange County, NC and South Carolina Couches then the common ancestor must be one we can all identify with. As I said before, I think we should explore the possibility that the John Couch sr of Jamestown or his father was that common ancestor. Since we know that Thomas Couch Jr of Lunenburg, VA was born about 1720 and Matthew Couch of Lunenburg County, VA was born on July 25, 1725 then the father of your Jamestown, VA John Couch may just be the common ancestor we all are seeking. I would love to see your data but do not send me tons of stuff. I may have it already. Thanks again, Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: "emcht" <emcht@oecadvantage.net> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 7:49 AM > >Robert would lie me to send you what I have on the "John and James" Couch >who are the two sons (I only know of two but probably there are others) of >John Couch. Sure would be a lot simpler for me rather than trying to >explain the stupid naming of respective children and besides this they >married lst cousins and then some of the sons married their sister in laws >when a brother died. Maybe later today before I am home but will email this >mess if you wish. ellen > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ellen, Correct me if I am wrong. Are brothers James and John Couch the Couch brothers who settled in Buckingham County, VA? If so this is your family and that of Dr. Richard Couch of Oklahoma. Richard Couch, who also descends from your James Couch, has DNA matching that of Ron Couch of Kentucky, Danny Couch of NC (whose ancestor is Lunenburg County's William Couch) and myself, we are all in the same family (as well as about ten others in DNA group 5. Was the father of your James and John the John Couch Sr you mentioned who was born before 1748 in Jamestown? I have read that John Sr may have had a title of Captain and others say that John Jr was also known as Captain. Since the Couch DNA Groop 5 has a commonm ancestor (and that common ancestor of those group 5 members who took the 25 marker DNA test is within seven generation of those members), we must search for that common ancestor tying all of us together. That common ancestor appears to be from Virginia. And we must identify him. I am suggesting the possibility that John Couch Sr of Jamestown (father of your James and John) may be the common ancestor of all those in the group 5 Couch DNA bunch. What more can you tell me about this John Couch Sr of Jamestown? This in no way interferes with nor questions your line from James. Thanks, Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: "Couch, Robert H. " <rcouchauburn@mindspring.com> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 8:47 AM > >Ellen, > >IN the episile I just sent you I failed to mention that there was also a >James Couch. IN fact, Thomas, William and James were all listed in Hotten's >list of 1730 to be in Virginia. Then, on a map of Orange County, NC Thomas >& William have adjoining land grants and James Couch has one nearby. > >Robert H.Couch >---------- >>From: "emcht" <emcht@oecadvantage.net> >>To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >>Date: Mon, Sep 29, 2003, 9:43 AM >> > >>No the brother of this John Couch was James Couch and that is my line and I >>have all the children and they are all accounted as well as the next >>generation. In fact, I am generation 6 from the James Couch. Goes like >>this: James>John>Orrel>Ora Emma(Ora Emma Couch is my grandmother and she >>married Lemuel Pleasant Hunt)>my father>me. >>Will help you if I can. ellen >> >> >> >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Would someone please explain to me WHY our lines have been removed from Bill's Couch Genealogy site? Or WHY none of us were consulted before deciding to remove them. Why was John's and Elizabeth's son Martin's line then returned to the site with no parents in evidence? All of us are well aware there were problems with the line as submitted, but we are working on it. Rome was not built in a day you know. It seems common courtesy should have been extended to those of us who are well aware from whom we descend. That is a given. Now I notice that Martin's line has been pulled once again. Are we being played with like cat and mouse games? Who is responsible for all of this? All of us have a right to know who is trying to mess up our family's lines, and why it is being done. Joyce House-Reeves, gggg granddau of John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon Couch (established FACT)

Thanks for the reply Ellen. cousin Richard of Tulsa