Joyce, Thanks Joyce. IF the DNA is the clue, anyone who finds the parents of their know ancstor such as John may well be the common ancestor of everyone in the Group 5 DNA group. It may well be John Couch of Jamestown or the father of some other know Couch ancestors of those in the Group 5 DNA. The fact that several DNA group 5 members took the 25 marker DNA test and had almost identical DNA scores. The science of DNA suggests (I have been told) that those with a matching 25 marker test have a common ancestor within 7 generations. Thus, if we can identify the common ancestor of those taking the 25 marker test then we would all know our common ancestor. I am excited that we may really be close. Perhaps it is the Captain John Couch of Jamestown, VA from your line. Help me explore this possibility fully. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net (Joyce H. Reeves) >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY >Date: Thu, Oct 2, 2003, 9:01 AM > >Hi Bob, > How I wish I could tell you who was the father of our John of Perry Co >KY. To date, we haven't found where John and Mary were in 1774, other >than "Commonwealth of VA" -- and that could have been anywhere in todays >VA, WV, KY, parts of OH, IN -- a huge territory, but we think primarily >in the western counties of [now] VA, and also the part which became WV >in 1863. > We know John was associated closely with a Joseph Couch, sometimes >seen as Crouch. Not knowing his age, Joseph could have been father, or >brother, of John. There was a Joseph on an 1816 Clay Co KY tax list who >was never found there again. Martin's son, Joseph, b c1805, would not >have been old enough to be on a tax list at age 11. If the older >Joseph didn't move on to parts unknown, he may have died there. That's >why I've questioned the Joseph in Knox Co TN as being the same Joseph of >Ashe Co NC. >Most of the time, where we've found John, there is Joseph somewhere >nearby. Ron's DNA matching with so many others is the key -- but where >do we find the lock?? We are searching for, in addition to John and >Joseph, an older Austin. He never seemed to have put down roots any >place -- wandered from state to state to state. Sam can tell you more >about Austin than I can, but there's really little known about him. >There may have been another brother named David - he is also seen as >Crouch/Couch. Some of these men were written as Crouch on official >records, but their signature was Couch. > Botetourte, Fincastle, Montgomery and Grayson Counties, VA are good >places to start -- but where they were before, I have no clue. > Sorry, this is the best I can do at present. > Joyce > > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered >by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks Ellen, You are really given us much now. Keep it up. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: "emcht" <emcht@oecadvantage.net> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >Date: Thu, Oct 2, 2003, 10:50 AM > >The name Earle was first spelled de Erleia (Herlie) and started out about >1160 as Lord of Beckington, Somerset, England. >They married into several lines but it appears that John Earle was the >founder of the American and was born 1612 at Nye, Winscombe Parish, >Somersetshire, which was a village about 10 miles south of Bristol. >In about 1637 John Earle married Mary Symons and they had four children >(known) and came to St. Mary's County Maryland about or after 1649. The >Symons family was in Va before that time however. The first land patent was >in Northumberland County VA. I have not researched these names and am not >qualified to quote or cite all references. >Let me try to state my connection to this Line and I will start with my >grandmother: > >Ora Emma Couch Hunt dau of >Nancy M. Wilson dau of >Mary "Polly" Prince Earle dau of >Baylis Earle II son of >"Judge" Baylis Earle I son of >Samuel Earle III son of >Samuel Earle II son of >Samuel Earle I son of >John Earle son of >Sir Richard Earle II so of >Richard Earle I son of >Robert Earle II son of >John Earle VII son of >Robert de Erleigh son of >Sir John de Erleigh VI son of >John de Erleigh V son of >John de Erleigh IV son of > John de Erleigh III son of > Phillip de Erleigh son of >Barry de Erleigh son of >William de Erleigh II son of >John de Erleigh II son >of William de Erleigh son of >John de Erleigh I. > >This is not gospel and I have never attempted to research this line. That >is for those who want to go back to being apart of the English royalty. >As you can see I have not added dates for any of these names nor did I list >their brides as that would just put stuff out for someone to copy and pass >out as being a fact on record. However , the records for the American >descendants are found in VA, Maryland, the Carolinas, some went to KY and >scattered westward. It appears they came with money > >I would like to add a PS that gives some clues that I have found >interesting: > >Mary Prince Earle lived to celebrate her Golden Wedding Anniversary. She >died in 1807 at age 63 (married at age 13) and is buried in the family >cemetery at Earlesville. In 1810 (I believe this date is correct) Bayliss >added a two-story, red brick addition to his home with white columns in >front. The house is known today as Four Columns and is listed in the >National Register of Historic Places. The site of the Earle plantation was >in Spartanburg County. > >Baylis Earle was 23 when he married Mary Prince and lived to the age of 90 >plus. He was also buried in the family cemetery which is a few hundred >yards west of Four Columns and seven of his 14 children are also buried >there. > >Sorry this is so long but just background for this mess called genealogy. >good searching. ellen > > > > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered >by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

The name Earle was first spelled de Erleia (Herlie) and started out about 1160 as Lord of Beckington, Somerset, England. They married into several lines but it appears that John Earle was the founder of the American and was born 1612 at Nye, Winscombe Parish, Somersetshire, which was a village about 10 miles south of Bristol. In about 1637 John Earle married Mary Symons and they had four children (known) and came to St. Mary's County Maryland about or after 1649. The Symons family was in Va before that time however. The first land patent was in Northumberland County VA. I have not researched these names and am not qualified to quote or cite all references. Let me try to state my connection to this Line and I will start with my grandmother: Ora Emma Couch Hunt dau of Nancy M. Wilson dau of Mary "Polly" Prince Earle dau of Baylis Earle II son of "Judge" Baylis Earle I son of Samuel Earle III son of Samuel Earle II son of Samuel Earle I son of John Earle son of Sir Richard Earle II so of Richard Earle I son of Robert Earle II son of John Earle VII son of Robert de Erleigh son of Sir John de Erleigh VI son of John de Erleigh V son of John de Erleigh IV son of John de Erleigh III son of Phillip de Erleigh son of Barry de Erleigh son of William de Erleigh II son of John de Erleigh II son of William de Erleigh son of John de Erleigh I. This is not gospel and I have never attempted to research this line. That is for those who want to go back to being apart of the English royalty. As you can see I have not added dates for any of these names nor did I list their brides as that would just put stuff out for someone to copy and pass out as being a fact on record. However , the records for the American descendants are found in VA, Maryland, the Carolinas, some went to KY and scattered westward. It appears they came with money I would like to add a PS that gives some clues that I have found interesting: Mary Prince Earle lived to celebrate her Golden Wedding Anniversary. She died in 1807 at age 63 (married at age 13) and is buried in the family cemetery at Earlesville. In 1810 (I believe this date is correct) Bayliss added a two-story, red brick addition to his home with white columns in front. The house is known today as Four Columns and is listed in the National Register of Historic Places. The site of the Earle plantation was in Spartanburg County. Baylis Earle was 23 when he married Mary Prince and lived to the age of 90 plus. He was also buried in the family cemetery which is a few hundred yards west of Four Columns and seven of his 14 children are also buried there. Sorry this is so long but just background for this mess called genealogy. good searching. ellen

Sam, My heartiest congratulations on finding (with documented proof) the existance of Mary Boone as a wife of John Couch. You were the doubting Thomas for you knew of no evidence documenting the exitance of Mary Polly Boon. However, rather than being content to dissent you went the extra mile and did what you had long advocated. Search for the truth in honest and dilligent and even expensive research. Now, despite your earier, justified doubts you have found the proof and have consented that there was indeed a Mary Boone. This is the sign of a really great researcher and I commend you highly. Now, for the next step back. Who was the father of your John Couch of Virginia. Ellen and Dr Richard Couch also have a Captain John Couch that was supposedly born before 1748 in England and migrated to Jamestown, VA. At this point no one has yet documented the existance of this Captain John Couch with observable, original sources. What I believe is my Couch line appears in what is now Lunenburg County,(formerly Prince George and Brunswick Counties, Virginia) as early as 1720. Thomas Couch's residence in Lunenburg along Couch's Creek is well documented along with probable relatives Thomas Couch JR, James Couch, William Couch, another John and Edward. Land records, Hotten's list of 1730, and court records all offer documentation of the Couches in Lunenburg County, VA. I know your reservations about the DNA but Ron Couch who is from your John & Martin Couch line; Richard Couch from the Captain John Couch line, Danny Couch from the William Couch line and my line from the Thomas Couch line all belong to Couch Group 5 DNA. They all were at one time known to be in Virginia. Thus all those listed above, as well as others in the group, have a common ancestor who was probably in Virginia. Several of the Group 5 members took the 25 marker DNA test and all had near perfect matches. This indicates that those in this DNA subgroup have a common ancestor within seven generations. Thus that common ancestor of so many of us must have been in Virginia. Now we need to use your great research skills, research methodology, and persistance to find the truth. I feel we are so close. Together we can solve this great mystery. Congratulations on your great find and the way in which you have sought the truth. You did not seek to prove you were right but you sought the truth and you are a great example of how we all should do research. Enough bickering and on to the TRUTH! Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: "Windwalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 10:14 AM > >Documentation {original } has been found this summer, that in fact she >exsisted and was indeed > married to "A John Couch" >The original document has been looked at by other >Boon/Couch researchers. >The said doucmentation does not state birth year >or death, but indeed does state she is the wife of "a John Couch". The same >document also has the name "Joseph" in the same body of the document >although no last name for him. > The fact that so many was placing strong pressure on the name "Polly" was >misleading. >When infact "Polly" was a generic name of the era {colonial} >In colonial names Polly= elizabeth most of the time. >Even though no records were found per say in Ashe or others areas. It was >most likely due to the fact >Ashe was not a county at the time of her death. >This report was generated by early reports of Gladys Frazier. >What has developed, by documents found {all original} was that the Boons >were in Va extensively >more so than in NC. They did infact go back and forth to NC from NC >There are several John/Joseph Couch in VA in the time frame so mentioned. >the "John" we refer to who married both Mary and later Elizabeth did indeed >travel from VA into NC >and back almost on a regular basis. He always had in party a "Joseph" as >noted in other documentation >Who Johns father is is unknown.... at this time... What has surfaced is a >direct document tieing him to a Mary Boon and also a Joseph. >At present three other researchers have seen and examined the documents >Although no "dates for birth or death of Mary are on said. It does prove >her and in a pre war timeframe >What has not surfaced is who her parents are. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Couch, Robert H. " <rcouchauburn@mindspring.com> >To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:37 AM >Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY > > >> Joyce, >> >> Tell me more of the established fact of Mary Elizabeth Boon Couch's >> existance. I thought no record existed of her exixstance even after >> Windwalker did extensive research trying to find her. >> Perhaps I missed something. >> >> Robert H. Couch >> ---------- >> >From: JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net (Joyce H. Reeves) >> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >> >Subject: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY >> >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 12:24 AM >> > >> >> >Would someone please explain to me WHY our lines have been removed from >> >Bill's Couch Genealogy site? Or WHY none of us were consulted before >> >deciding to remove them. Why was John's and Elizabeth's son Martin's >> >line then returned to the site with no parents in evidence? All of us >> >are well aware there were problems with the line as submitted, but we >> >are working on it. Rome was not built in a day you know. It seems >> >common courtesy should have been extended to those of us who are well >> >aware from whom we descend. That is a given. Now I notice that >> >Martin's line has been pulled once again. Are we being played with like >> >cat and mouse games? Who is responsible for all of this? All of us >> >have a right to know who is trying to mess up our family's lines, and >> >why it is being done. >> > Joyce House-Reeves, >> > gggg granddau of John Couch and Mary Elizabeth Boon Couch (established >> >FACT) >> > >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

What type of document's were they? --- "Couch, Robert H. " <rcouchauburn@mindspring.com> wrote: > Sam, > > My heartiest congratulations on finding (with > documented proof) the > existance of Mary Boone as a wife of John Couch. > You were the doubting > Thomas for you knew of no evidence documenting the > exitance of Mary Polly > Boon. However, rather than being content to dissent > you went the extra mile > and did what you had long advocated. Search for the > truth in honest and > dilligent and even expensive research. > > Now, despite your earier, justified doubts you have > found the proof and have > consented that there was indeed a Mary Boone. This > is the sign of a really > great researcher and I commend you highly. > > Now, for the next step back. Who was the father of > your John Couch of > Virginia. Ellen and Dr Richard Couch also have a > Captain John Couch that > was supposedly born before 1748 in England and > migrated to Jamestown, VA. At > this point no one has yet documented the existance > of this Captain John > Couch with observable, original sources. > > What I believe is my Couch line appears in what is > now Lunenburg > County,(formerly Prince George and Brunswick > Counties, Virginia) as early as > 1720. Thomas Couch's residence in Lunenburg along > Couch's Creek is well > documented along with probable relatives Thomas > Couch JR, James Couch, > William Couch, another John and Edward. Land > records, Hotten's list of > 1730, and court records all offer documentation of > the Couches in Lunenburg > County, VA. > > I know your reservations about the DNA but Ron Couch > who is from your John & > Martin Couch line; > Richard Couch from the Captain John Couch line, > Danny Couch from the William > Couch line and my line from the Thomas Couch line > all belong to Couch Group > 5 DNA. They all were at one time known to be in > Virginia. Thus all those > listed above, as well as others in the group, have a > common ancestor who was > probably in Virginia. > > Several of the Group 5 members took the 25 marker > DNA test and all had near > perfect matches. This indicates that those in this > DNA subgroup have a > common ancestor within seven generations. Thus that > common ancestor of so > many of us must have been in Virginia. Now we need > to use your great > research skills, research methodology, and > persistance to find the truth. > I feel we are so close. Together we can solve this > great mystery. > > Congratulations on your great find and the way in > which you have sought the > truth. You did not seek to prove you were right but > you sought the truth > and you are a great example of how we all should do > research. > > Enough bickering and on to the TRUTH! > > Robert H. Couch > ---------- > >From: "Windwalker" <windwalker@fastmail.fm> > >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, > Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY > >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 10:14 AM > > > > >Documentation {original } has been found this > summer, that in fact she > >exsisted and was indeed > > married to "A John Couch" > >The original document has been looked at by other > >Boon/Couch researchers. > >The said doucmentation does not state birth year > >or death, but indeed does state she is the wife of > "a John Couch". The same > >document also has the name "Joseph" in the same > body of the document > >although no last name for him. > > The fact that so many was placing strong pressure > on the name "Polly" was > >misleading. > >When infact "Polly" was a generic name of the era > {colonial} > >In colonial names Polly= elizabeth most of the > time. > >Even though no records were found per say in Ashe > or others areas. It was > >most likely due to the fact > >Ashe was not a county at the time of her death. > >This report was generated by early reports of > Gladys Frazier. > >What has developed, by documents found {all > original} was that the Boons > >were in Va extensively > >more so than in NC. They did infact go back and > forth to NC from NC > >There are several John/Joseph Couch in VA in the > time frame so mentioned. > >the "John" we refer to who married both Mary and > later Elizabeth did indeed > >travel from VA into NC > >and back almost on a regular basis. He always had > in party a "Joseph" as > >noted in other documentation > >Who Johns father is is unknown.... at this time... > What has surfaced is a > >direct document tieing him to a Mary Boon and also > a Joseph. > >At present three other researchers have seen and > examined the documents > >Although no "dates for birth or death of Mary are > on said. It does prove > >her and in a pre war timeframe > >What has not surfaced is who her parents are. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Couch, Robert H. " > <rcouchauburn@mindspring.com> > >To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:37 AM > >Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, > Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY > > > > > >> Joyce, > >> > >> Tell me more of the established fact of Mary > Elizabeth Boon Couch's > >> existance. I thought no record existed of her > exixstance even after > >> Windwalker did extensive research trying to find > her. > >> Perhaps I missed something. > >> > >> Robert H. Couch > >> ---------- > >> >From: JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net (Joyce H. > Reeves) > >> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com > >> >Subject: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, > Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY > >> >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 12:24 AM > >> > > >> > >> >Would someone please explain to me WHY our lines > have been removed from > >> >Bill's Couch Genealogy site? Or WHY none of us > were consulted before > >> >deciding to remove them. Why was John's and > Elizabeth's son Martin's > >> >line then returned to the site with no parents > in evidence? All of us > >> >are well aware there were problems with the line > as submitted, but we > >> >are working on it. Rome was not built in a day > you know. It seems > >> >common courtesy should have been extended to > those of us who are well > >> >aware from whom we descend. That is a given. > Now I notice that > >> >Martin's line has been pulled once again. Are > we being played with like > >> >cat and mouse games? Who is responsible for all > of this? All of us > >> >have a right to know who is trying to mess up > our family's lines, and > >> >why it is being done. > >> > Joyce House-Reeves, > >> > gggg granddau of John Couch and Mary Elizabeth > Boon Couch (established > >> >FACT) > >> > > >> > > >> >============================== > >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > >go to: > >> > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Thanks for the reply. The reason I ask is there is Earl/le/ly people in north carolina that some of my other lines are related to, also Price and Hunt then McCurry, Mooney,Mauney, Melton, Taylor I thinke there is even a Baber or Barber in there also. Lots more that are to numerous to name. Then some of them come back to the Couch surname through some of the Ark. Couch people. A Mooney family from NC went to either Ms. or Mo., then on to Ark. Which I have found that My Duncan family wound up with my Mathis family in the same areas. Thanks anyway. Nancy --- emcht <emcht@oecadvantage.net> wrote: > The name Earle was first spelled de Erleia (Herlie) > and started out about > 1160 as Lord of Beckington, Somerset, England. > They married into several lines but it appears that > John Earle was the > founder of the American and was born 1612 at Nye, > Winscombe Parish, > Somersetshire, which was a village about 10 miles > south of Bristol. > In about 1637 John Earle married Mary Symons and > they had four children > (known) and came to St. Mary's County Maryland about > or after 1649. The > Symons family was in Va before that time however. > The first land patent was > in Northumberland County VA. I have not researched > these names and am not > qualified to quote or cite all references. > Let me try to state my connection to this Line and I > will start with my > grandmother: > > Ora Emma Couch Hunt dau of > Nancy M. Wilson dau of > Mary "Polly" Prince Earle dau of > Baylis Earle II son of > "Judge" Baylis Earle I son of > Samuel Earle III son of > Samuel Earle II son of > Samuel Earle I son of > John Earle son of > Sir Richard Earle II so of > Richard Earle I son of > Robert Earle II son of > John Earle VII son of > Robert de Erleigh son of > Sir John de Erleigh VI son of > John de Erleigh V son of > John de Erleigh IV son of > John de Erleigh III son of > Phillip de Erleigh son of > Barry de Erleigh son of > William de Erleigh II son of > John de Erleigh II son > of William de Erleigh son of > John de Erleigh I. > > This is not gospel and I have never attempted to > research this line. That > is for those who want to go back to being apart of > the English royalty. > As you can see I have not added dates for any of > these names nor did I list > their brides as that would just put stuff out for > someone to copy and pass > out as being a fact on record. However , the > records for the American > descendants are found in VA, Maryland, the > Carolinas, some went to KY and > scattered westward. It appears they came with money > > I would like to add a PS that gives some clues that > I have found > interesting: > > Mary Prince Earle lived to celebrate her Golden > Wedding Anniversary. She > died in 1807 at age 63 (married at age 13) and is > buried in the family > cemetery at Earlesville. In 1810 (I believe this > date is correct) Bayliss > added a two-story, red brick addition to his home > with white columns in > front. The house is known today as Four Columns and > is listed in the > National Register of Historic Places. The site of > the Earle plantation was > in Spartanburg County. > > Baylis Earle was 23 when he married Mary Prince and > lived to the age of 90 > plus. He was also buried in the family cemetery > which is a few hundred > yards west of Four Columns and seven of his 14 > children are also buried > there. > > Sorry this is so long but just background for this > mess called genealogy. > good searching. ellen > > > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by > rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not > connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Hi Bob, How I wish I could tell you who was the father of our John of Perry Co KY. To date, we haven't found where John and Mary were in 1774, other than "Commonwealth of VA" -- and that could have been anywhere in todays VA, WV, KY, parts of OH, IN -- a huge territory, but we think primarily in the western counties of [now] VA, and also the part which became WV in 1863. We know John was associated closely with a Joseph Couch, sometimes seen as Crouch. Not knowing his age, Joseph could have been father, or brother, of John. There was a Joseph on an 1816 Clay Co KY tax list who was never found there again. Martin's son, Joseph, b c1805, would not have been old enough to be on a tax list at age 11. If the older Joseph didn't move on to parts unknown, he may have died there. That's why I've questioned the Joseph in Knox Co TN as being the same Joseph of Ashe Co NC. Most of the time, where we've found John, there is Joseph somewhere nearby. Ron's DNA matching with so many others is the key -- but where do we find the lock?? We are searching for, in addition to John and Joseph, an older Austin. He never seemed to have put down roots any place -- wandered from state to state to state. Sam can tell you more about Austin than I can, but there's really little known about him. There may have been another brother named David - he is also seen as Crouch/Couch. Some of these men were written as Crouch on official records, but their signature was Couch. Botetourte, Fincastle, Montgomery and Grayson Counties, VA are good places to start -- but where they were before, I have no clue. Sorry, this is the best I can do at present. Joyce

Joyce, Thanks for the update. So, now we know that Mary Elizabeth Boon was first wife of John Couch in Virginia in 1774. Do we know where in Virginia? I have recently visited Lunenburg County, Virginia and saw Couches Creek where Thomas Couch received a land grant there in 1720. Also in Lunenburg County (previously Pirnce George and then Brunswick County beginning in 1832) during that time period were: JOHN COUCH, James Couch, Thomas Couch JR, William Couch and Edward Couch. Ellen maintains that her Brunswick County, VA John and James Couch were sons of Captain John Couch who was born in England and in Jamestown, VA before 1748. Since Ron Couch of Kentucky (John & Martin Couch); Dr. Richard Couch & Ellen (from Capt John of England and Jamestown, VA and John and James Couch of Buckingham Co, VA); Danny Couch of NC (William Couch) as well as myself (Thomas Couch Jr and his projected son John Couch Sr) all belong to the Couch Group 5 DNA project. Then we need to look everywhere in Virginia to find which is our common ancestor. Is it your John Couch"s ( and Mary Elizabeth Boon) father? Is it the Captain John Couch of Jamestown reported by Ellen or some other Virginia Couch who was in the colonies at least by 1720? Help me on this one. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net (Joyce H. Reeves) >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 10:06 AM > >Bob, > Windwalker posted this to the list -- we have a document with her name >on it - Mary Elizabeth Boon, with childe, wife of John Couch, dated >1774, in VA. We feel the "childe" was my ancestress, Sarah/Sally Couch, >b 1774. That's why we've been using a fine toothed comb searching in >VA/WV. We know they were there. I note spelling of name Boon. I don't >know if that is significant or not. Tradition says Boone. > Thanks for asking. > Joyce > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ellen, Thanks for your reply. Do you know how to contact Bev Blum? It is important to document just where this John Couch of Jamestown came from. I will look in census of Jamestown (which I have some of); ships list; tax lists and other places which could verify that Captain John Couch Sr of Jamestown came from England and fathered at least two boys. I certainly do not doubt your data but we simply must verify it with acceptable documentation. Bev Blum must have learned of this Captain John from someplace. We must discover where she got this information. Thanks for all your help. Help me to keep looking for this Jamestown John Couch. He just might be the common ancestor all the Group 5 DNA members are looking for. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: "emcht" <emcht@oecadvantage.net> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >Date: Thu, Oct 2, 2003, 6:03 AM > >Most of the work on the early Couch names was done by Bev Blum long before I >ever started research. She and I are related thru the Couch and Hunt line >as well as Earle, Prince, Breathland, Moseley,etc. When Couch line married >into the Anderson line is where this research started. I haven't tried to >go back to England since I have been doing research as I concentrated on my >immediate past and have tried to located and verify those names, families, >etc. Sorry can't help with the time frame that started in England. >One thing I do know that coming down the line from James Couch (my past) >there maybe one or possibly two men who could be direct descendants but I >have not found any more that would be suitable for a DNA. I will look for >those if you want them but it will take me some time. At least that is my >finding coming from Orrel G. Couch as he wasn't blessed with many sons. >Since you have what I sent to Robert, perhaps you can pin point someone you >would like descendants from and let me know which and I will go from there. >Good searching. ellen >> > > > > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered >by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Most of the work on the early Couch names was done by Bev Blum long before I ever started research. She and I are related thru the Couch and Hunt line as well as Earle, Prince, Breathland, Moseley,etc. When Couch line married into the Anderson line is where this research started. I haven't tried to go back to England since I have been doing research as I concentrated on my immediate past and have tried to located and verify those names, families, etc. Sorry can't help with the time frame that started in England. One thing I do know that coming down the line from James Couch (my past) there maybe one or possibly two men who could be direct descendants but I have not found any more that would be suitable for a DNA. I will look for those if you want them but it will take me some time. At least that is my finding coming from Orrel G. Couch as he wasn't blessed with many sons. Since you have what I sent to Robert, perhaps you can pin point someone you would like descendants from and let me know which and I will go from there. Good searching. ellen >

Ellen, Are any of the Anderson's you have maybe married to a Robert H. Taylor that went from Virginia to North Carolina before 1780? Also did any of the Earle family be sometimes found as Early? and were in North Carolina. Thanks Nancy --- emcht <emcht@oecadvantage.net> wrote: > Most of the work on the early Couch names was done > by Bev Blum long before I > ever started research. She and I are related thru > the Couch and Hunt line > as well as Earle, Prince, Breathland, Moseley,etc. > When Couch line married > into the Anderson line is where this research > started. I haven't tried to > go back to England since I have been doing research > as I concentrated on my > immediate past and have tried to located and verify > those names, families, > etc. Sorry can't help with the time frame that > started in England. > One thing I do know that coming down the line from > James Couch (my past) > there maybe one or possibly two men who could be > direct descendants but I > have not found any more that would be suitable for a > DNA. I will look for > those if you want them but it will take me some > time. At least that is my > finding coming from Orrel G. Couch as he wasn't > blessed with many sons. > Since you have what I sent to Robert, perhaps you > can pin point someone you > would like descendants from and let me know which > and I will go from there. > Good searching. ellen > > > > > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by > rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not > connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

Ellen, Thanks for the offer. First let me ask you to examine the Captain John Couch Sr b in Jamestown prior to 1740 who was born in England and was father to John and James of Buckingham County, VA. 1. Where did you find out about Captain John Couch? 2. Where in England was he born? 3. Do you know which ship he came to Jamestown and when? Your data may just be the great breakthrough we all have been looking for. The DNA tells me I share a common ancestor with (1. Dr. Richard Couch of Tulsa, OK who is from the same line you have. (2. Ron Couch of Kentucky also shares a common ancestor. His folks were in Virginia and North Carolina before they went to Kentucky. I keep getting hints that he may be related to your Buckingham County, VA Couches. If you send me your FTM data via e-mail do not sent it in an attachment for my iMac Computer seldom is able to open most attachments. Perhaps if you would mail me the 31 pages it would be better since the e-mail sometimes distorts the message. I will reimburse you your printing and postage cost. Thanks again. This could be really important. Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: "emcht" <emcht@oecadvantage.net> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 6:08 AM > >I am not proficient on using the computer but here is what I can do to help. >I use Family Tree Maker and input my material in FTM. I can copy the >material you want and send it within an email but it will be 31 pages long. >(I just checked this to be certain) This will give you what I have and >includes all the notes, etc thru this family. Will send when you reply. >ellen > > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ellen, I have corresponded with Dr. Richard Couch who says what he sent me is the same as what you have. Where did you discover Captain John Couch of Jamestown who was born in England? That information would be most helpful. Thanks! Robert H. Couch ---------- >From: "Couch, Robert H. " <rcouchauburn@mindspring.com> >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >Date: Wed, Oct 1, 2003, 5:16 AM > >Ellen, > >I have the line provided me by Dr. Richard Couch of Oklahoma. I would love >to see your line. >What I am most interested in is finding the Common Ancestor of Group 5 in >the Couch DNA project. > >Since we know that Dr. Richard Couch is a member of this group (his group >and that of yours came from Buckingham County, VA) and that Richard is >related to those Lunenburg County, VA, Orange County, NC and South Carolina >Couches then the common ancestor must be one we can all identify with. As I >said before, I think we should explore the possibility that the John Couch >sr of Jamestown or his father was that common ancestor. Since we know that >Thomas Couch Jr of Lunenburg, VA was born about 1720 and Matthew Couch of >Lunenburg County, VA was born on July 25, 1725 then the father of your >Jamestown, VA John Couch may just be the common ancestor we all are seeking. > >I would love to see your data but do not send me tons of stuff. I may have >it already. > >Thanks again, > > >Robert H. Couch >---------- >>From: "emcht" <emcht@oecadvantage.net> >>To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [COUCH] VA Couches? >>Date: Tue, Sep 30, 2003, 7:49 AM >> > >>Robert would lie me to send you what I have on the "John and James" Couch >>who are the two sons (I only know of two but probably there are others) of >>John Couch. Sure would be a lot simpler for me rather than trying to >>explain the stupid naming of respective children and besides this they >>married lst cousins and then some of the sons married their sister in laws >>when a brother died. Maybe later today before I am home but will email this >>mess if you wish. ellen >> >> >> >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

From all this bickering I am almost sorry I am kin to any of you. Please leave Bill alone. You are a contentious lot. Not like the Couchs I am from> Larry Parr -----Original Message----- From: Windwalker [mailto:windwalker@fastmail.fm] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:49 PM To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY Archives do not denote anyone was bashing the John Couch line archives denote, in the last go around the questioning of Martin Couch, s children By at least one person. {not me} Attempts to clear some of the historical dates pertaining to the line, went un heeded by you Bill. { just stating fact} Its come to light, that you contacted a person to help straighten the line. ANd after that the line went down Do you take down all lines, that others have questions on? Is is wrong to question DNA, when its not showing what was expected? Nor linking what others though it would. Others have asked you concerning info, and you have not answered them. What you have done by taking down the whole line is unfair in whole and in part. But you pay the server for info on the domain either private or commercial Its real funny one person, that admits you had contact with tells several people they have been contacted to "help" with the line. Not one post to this list has been seen where anyone questioned the John Couch line There was ONE post made of the problems with the Martin Couch line.... and thats in archives. So you pull the whole linage? So inpart what you said is ones on the line contact YOU with their documents and supply them to you and then you will ad them? People question your Arkansas line all the time.. how come they aint down? This is the same kinda stuff you did Bill on the US GenWeb project in 96/97 pulling info and walking away from it. Your excuse for pulling the whole line is lame at best. and you have really upset ALOT of people If it all came to light You and one other person made the decision to pull the info. Their info still remains at present. I will say it appears you want now people to send info to you and most of it paid for I might add to put it back up? Naw dont buy it... Others other than me have questioned certain lines pertaining to John and later they have not got answers either. What you have done dont surprize me or who had a hand in getting all pulled Since the demise of the original US Genweb and its falling apart of which you had a hand in nothing surprizes me So as it stands now per your posts You have eliminated the whole line from couchgenweb Im sure others are not happy with your decision. You took all your marbles and went home.. dont surprize me in the least. What you did just made the ky lines pull more together. maybe thanks sould be given PS Questioning dates on the line and where you original got them was against the rules? Or asking for your sourse? on how you posted them? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Couch" <bcouch@CouchGenweb.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY > The John And Mary Boone line was taken down because this group has been > bashing the CouchGenWeb for havin it up long enough. > Claiming they was up without Documented proof and ect. As you state your > self I provide this info for others to find others who are working on > their same line. This line has started fudes and ect on the list and has > just about killed it. Some from this line has been against the DNA > project and sent out messates to everyone and has just about killed > that. > I feel it was a very good thing and has acomplished a lot. > > If the ones listed on the John Couch line will contact me and work with > me on the line and keep it updated, I will put it back up. But it it is > going to be a tool to be used agains me I will leave it down. > > All of the ones listed on the page has asked to be listed there, and > have sent messages stating their connection, No one has connected me and > told me I had some of their info wrong. but has use the mail list to > bash the chart and twist thing around. > > I will not answer any more on this matter on this list. If you wish to > talk to me about it contact me personally. > > This list is for Genealogy, Not to have a fude on. It is in trouble > because of this now. > > Bill Couch > William & Diane Jones wrote: > > > > This is meant not to offend anyone but... > > > > I understand there are questions about lines that are being worked out and > > all but if we all keep bickering among ourselves nothing will get > > accomplished. > > > > To my knowledge, Bill is not paid to put his time and effort into this page. > > If he sees all this arguing he may just throw up his hands,shut down the > > page, and walk away to leave it up to someone else to do. > > > > I for one appreciate his time and effort. He is only doing what he feels is > > best at the time. > > > > Hang in there things will get worked out. I don't feel there are any evil > > plots afoot :). > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Checking the Cherokee Indian Census in this area found that the white men that had married Indian women and had children then goverment had declaired that this marriage was not legal and several of the white men had remarried and some had not.( This was stated on the census) West Virginia was cut off from Virginia when Virginia decided to succeed from the Union and Western part of Va did NOT and became Wva about the time of the Civil War. Many of the SC people and their Family's left SC and went back to NC when there was an Indian uprising in SC so with them moving back and foward across the state line was for their safety. Later when they had the Indians peaceful again many moved back to their SC homes and some did not. This could be why your Couch Family moved back to NC, or back to SC. When They had pushed the Indians out of Ga . Land grants were available then for settlement and loads of people from both NC and SC went to Ga.Need to check for dates of this event.

Bill, I tried sending a post this morning and it didn't make it through -- in fact, didn't make it into my "sent" box either. I want to say I meant no offense to you or anyone else with my post of last night. I had just learned about Martin's post being pulled again, and was very frustrated. I was only searching for understanding. If I've caused any hurt feelings to you, or anyone else, I am sincerely sorry, and I do apologize. Of course, after the fact is no good excuse, but after hitting send I realized I should have written you privately. I apologize for that as well. You have done, and are doing a great service for the Couch families. I had not known before yesterday, that you were also instrumental in helping getting the GenWeb set up and on the internet. A wonderful place for all genealogists to benefit from. Best wishes, Joyce

I wish those who want to . with each other would send their comments directly to the individual they are irked with. Some of are tired of reading these comments. We are perfectly capaable of deciding for ourselves if we wish to use the information submitted and deciding what we agree with and what we don't agree is accurate. ---- Original Message ---- From: bcouch@CouchGenweb.com To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COUCH] John Couch, Mary Boone, Elizabeth Campbell of VA/NC/KY Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:17:50 -0700 >The John And Mary Boone line was taken down because this group has >been >bashing the CouchGenWeb for havin it up long enough. >Claiming they was up without Documented proof and ect. As you state >your >self I provide this info for others to find others who are working on >their same line. This line has started fudes and ect on the list and >has >just about killed it. Some from this line has been against the DNA >project and sent out messates to everyone and has just about killed >that. >I feel it was a very good thing and has acomplished a lot. > >If the ones listed on the John Couch line will contact me and work >with >me on the line and keep it updated, I will put it back up. But it it >is >going to be a tool to be used agains me I will leave it down. > >All of the ones listed on the page has asked to be listed there, and >have sent messages stating their connection, No one has connected me >and >told me I had some of their info wrong. but has use the mail list to >bash the chart and twist thing around. > >I will not answer any more on this matter on this list. If you wish >to >talk to me about it contact me personally. > >This list is for Genealogy, Not to have a fude on. It is in trouble >because of this now. > >Bill Couch >William & Diane Jones wrote: >> >> This is meant not to offend anyone but... >> >> I understand there are questions about lines that are being worked >out and >> all but if we all keep bickering among ourselves nothing will get >> accomplished. >> >> To my knowledge, Bill is not paid to put his time and effort into >this page. >> If he sees all this arguing he may just throw up his hands,shut >down the >> page, and walk away to leave it up to someone else to do. >> >> I for one appreciate his time and effort. He is only doing what he >feels is >> best at the time. >> >> Hang in there things will get worked out. I don't feel there are >any evil >> plots afoot :). >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you for the info. It's something to think about. The evidence we've found about John & Mary Boon Couch they were in VA (we feel western VA) in 1774. That is the same year of Lord Dunmore's War. While a little later, down on the VA/NC border counties, Robert Benge, s/o Trader John and Chickamauga Cherokee Wurteh, was waging his own war against the white settlers there. It is recorded my James T Lewis (don't know if was Sr. or Jr - one would have been in early 60's, the other early 20's) was present when Bob Benge was killed in 1794 by the whites. Another ancestor, Edward Callahan, married into the Cherokee's with his marriage to Susannah aka Mahala Brock. They managed to escape with their scalps intact, but had a negro slave kidnapped by "the Bunch", as Bob Benge was called. I found a court record where Edward & "Sukey" had been hauled into court for not having taken the "vows of marriage". Well, maybe they had a Cherokee marriage. I don't know if they ever married according to white man's laws. Joyce

Thank you Bill, and thank you so much for giving of your time and money for this project. I'm new in learning about my Couch heritage and I want you to know that I really appreciate all that you have done to help newcomers like myself. Thank You!!! Fay Keith Bill Couch wrote: >John Couch chart is back up at > >http://www.couchgenweb.com/couch/johnc.htm > >Bill Couch > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Thank you Bill. I really appreciate your putting John's chart back in. Joyce