No problem Yes alot of places wont change info, even when facts are at hand..... that hurts in the longrun. Never the less anything should be highly checked. After ll does one want to leave the Kentucky lines in the hands of other states to modify? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:59 PM Subject: RE: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns > Thank you Joe and Windwalker. That's all I was trying to do -- point > out there is weakness in a lot of stuff out there. No offence meant to > anyone. > Joyce > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is true whether you are talking about internet or other sources. I'm paying the price for some info I gathered back when I was a teenager just starting in genealogy. I picked up some of the books on old tidewater Virginia families published back in early 1900s and ASSUMED that these were experienced genealogists and knew what they were talking about. Now I've got all kinds of stuff on some of my lines that I don't have a clue whether is true or not. Internet hasn't changed anything other than make it faster to find stuff, good and bad. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Windwalker [mailto:windwalker@fastmail.fm] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:56 PM To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns """check, and then double check, what you glean from anyone's research""""

Thank you both for your comments. Just so you know, I have been researching family history on a steady basis since 1982 :-) and loved every minute of it, until very recently :-(. True, it has not been my Couch family that I have researched, but that does not mean I’m a novice. I don't think you guys have dibs on being the only people able to do "real" research. I, like many other researchers, love searching for my roots, but I want to have fun while doing so. Some of you folks, in my opinion, get way to intense… and as far I'm concerned that takes all the fun out of it. Actually I don't know why you would concern yourselves so about what me or others might or might not accept as fact… after all, the folks we are searching for have been dead for many years. They aren't going anywhere any time soon... and neither are the facts. If you don't want to patronize certain sites on the web that is your prerogative, but please leave the rest of us alone to do our own research in our! own way, and please quit talking down to us like we are a bunch of brainless morons. Most of us, I'm sure, know what we want to accept as fact, and what we don't want to accept as fact…and why we make the choices we do. I'm all for relaxing, having some fun, and getting on with it. Fay "Not to reflect on Fay or anyone else for that matter > But you hit a key point Joyce > """check, and then double check, what you glean from anyone's research"""" > > This is a key point as so many dont do their own research.. but go from > website to site gathering > info and then deeming it true. > So many just take advantage of tryied and true > hard copy research... > And then modify it, as they cant get family members to fit in. > Thus the line is now modified to the extent its not useable" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> > To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns > > > >" Fay, > > I think we all are appreciative of what Bill Couch and MANY others > > have accomplished. All I would ask is for you, or anyone else, to > > check, and then double check, what you glean from anyone's research. It > > may not be as accurate as you think. After all, we're all searching for > > the right answers. That's what genealogy is all about. > > Joyce"

True Joe but here is one for you.. alot of places list old books as "sourse" Then a guy spends a arm and a leg to procure the long out of print book Only to find NOTHING related to what was quoted. This is the reason I speak as I do.. To to many take a internet line... listed with source and its cut and dry. Well Its not.. Internet will give general clues indeed.. But the trouble is with all the internet sites accepting "files" It soon dont take much to get the whole line out of kelter. Example.. anyone can upload a say GED files or another type.. say to some genealogy site.... they inturn SELL the info on CD,s.. Peole getting CD,s think the info is right My statement applies to all places that sell "internet genealogy" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Harrington" <pastorjoe99@yahoo.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns > This is true whether you are talking about internet or other sources. I'm > paying the price for some info I gathered back when I was a teenager just > starting in genealogy. I picked up some of the books on old tidewater > Virginia families published back in early 1900s and ASSUMED that these were > experienced genealogists and knew what they were talking about. Now I've > got all kinds of stuff on some of my lines that I don't have a clue whether > is true or not. > Internet hasn't changed anything other than make it faster to find stuff, > good and bad. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Windwalker [mailto:windwalker@fastmail.fm] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:56 PM > To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann > Burns > > > """check, and then double check, what you glean from anyone's research"""" > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thank you Joe and Windwalker. That's all I was trying to do -- point out there is weakness in a lot of stuff out there. No offence meant to anyone. Joyce

Seems like you take it a heart Fay Keith no one mentioned you nor is stopping you form what you call research.. And the leave the rest of us alone statement.. is unclear Just because you was booted from MyFamily site dont make it appear you are talking for everyone. And no oens is topping from research.. if thats what its called... A post was made to the general importance of pre checking facts against known websites. And you responded to it.. Again as well its "all" peoples choices as to what is not believed..... but what is documented.. Have a wonderful day.. see you got a new email addy ----- Original Message ----- From: <fannyfay@zoomtown.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewsis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns > Thank you both for your comments. Just so you know, I have been researching family history on a steady basis since 1982 :-) and loved every minute of it, until very recently :-(. True, it has not been my Couch family that I have researched, but that does not mean I'm a novice. I don't think you guys have dibs on being the only people able to do "real" research. I, like many other researchers, love searching for my roots, but I want to have fun while doing so. Some of you folks, in my opinion, get way to intense. and as far I'm concerned that takes all the fun out of it. Actually I don't know why you would concern yourselves so about what me or others might or might not accept as fact. after all, the folks we are searching for have been dead for many years. They aren't going anywhere any time soon... and neither are the facts. If you don't want to patronize certain sites on the web that is your prerogative, but please leave the rest of us alone to do our own research in our! > own way, and please quit talking down to us like we are a bunch of brainless morons. Most of us, I'm sure, know what we want to accept as fact, and what we don't want to accept as fact.and why we make the choices we do. I'm all for relaxing, having some fun, and getting on with it. > Fay > > "Not to reflect on Fay or anyone else for that matter > > But you hit a key point Joyce > > """check, and then double check, what you glean from anyone's research"""" > > > > This is a key point as so many dont do their own research.. but go from > > website to site gathering > > info and then deeming it true. > > So many just take advantage of tryied and true > > hard copy research... > > And then modify it, as they cant get family members to fit in. > > Thus the line is now modified to the extent its not useable" > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> > > To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns > > > > > > >" Fay, > > > I think we all are appreciative of what Bill Couch and MANY others > > > have accomplished. All I would ask is for you, or anyone else, to > > > check, and then double check, what you glean from anyone's research. It > > > may not be as accurate as you think. After all, we're all searching for > > > the right answers. That's what genealogy is all about. > > > Joyce" > > > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is true Joe, For most of us this is just a Hobby and is something that we injoy doing. I have been at this for over 25 years now. and I probably have about as much documentation put back as any other researcher here. And even tho some of it is documented still does not make it so. Each will need to weigh their info and go over it for themself. And do their Hobby as they see fit without someone else telling them how to do it or it will not be a fun Hobby. It will then become a Job. I have never received one penny for trying to help others. I am not in this for profit. We all need to be able to use the couch-L List without getting bashed every time some one make a post. If we use private mail then the others don't get the benifit from it. Bill Couch. > > This is true whether you are talking about internet or other sources. I'm > paying the price for some info I gathered back when I was a teenager just > starting in genealogy. I picked up some of the books on old tidewater > Virginia families published back in early 1900s and ASSUMED that these were > experienced genealogists and knew what they were talking about. Now I've > got all kinds of stuff on some of my lines that I don't have a clue whether > is true or not. > Internet hasn't changed anything other than make it faster to find stuff, > good and bad. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Windwalker [mailto:windwalker@fastmail.fm] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:56 PM > To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann > Burns > > """check, and then double check, what you glean from anyone's research"""" > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The bottom line is NO SOURCE can be treated as gospel. Not even so-called Primary Sources like birth and death certificates. Every source is only as good as the informant. I use every source as a tool. Then, I document every source as just that, a source. A piece of information does not become the truth for me until after several sources confirm that particular piece of information. Becky Griswold __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Not to reflect on Fay or anyone else for that matter But you hit a key point Joyce """check, and then double check, what you glean from anyone's research"""" This is a key point as so many dont do their own research.. but go from website to site gathering info and then deeming it true. So many just take advantage of tryied and true hard copy research... And then modify it, as they cant get family members to fit in. Thus the line is now modified to the extent its not useable ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns > Fay, > I think we all are appreciative of what Bill Couch and MANY others > have accomplished. All I would ask is for you, or anyone else, to > check, and then double check, what you glean from anyone's research. It > may not be as accurate as you think. After all, we're all searching for > the right answers. That's what genealogy is all about. > Joyce > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Fay, I think we all are appreciative of what Bill Couch and MANY others have accomplished. All I would ask is for you, or anyone else, to check, and then double check, what you glean from anyone's research. It may not be as accurate as you think. After all, we're all searching for the right answers. That's what genealogy is all about. Joyce

Hi, My name is Fay Lewis. I am so glad to able to join your list and hope that in doing so, I will learn more about my ancestors, and maybe be of help to you in learning a bit more about yours. I would like to take this opportunity to thank KATHY COUCH LATSHAW for the great job she has done in helping so many of us folk to put our families together through her unique swapasource site. I have Kathy to be extremely helpful, working tirelessly and for no reward other than to know she has helped someone in their quest for knowledge of their family. Also my thanks go out to BILL COUCH for taking the time and effort to run his fine also unique Couchgenweb site, and also for allowing me to be named as a researcher on said site. Without the help of these two generous researchers many of us out here would still be lurking around in the dark looking for our ancestors. THANK YOU BOTH!!! Here are my Couch ancestors known to date: My dads line: GGGGGrandparents-John Couch/Elizabeth James GGGGrandparents-Martin Couch/Sarah Hall GGGrandparents-Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis GGrandparents-Thaddeus Lewis/Anna Pennington Grandparents-Hiram Lewis/Martha Jane Short Parents-Burtchell James Lewis/Dora Lee Parsons Me-Fay Lewis My mothers line: GGrandparents-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns (Elihue is my brick wall &#61516;) Grandparents-Fanny Mae Couch/William Preston Parsons Parents-Dora Lee Parsons/Burchell James Lewis Me-Fay Lewis I have collected quiet a bit of data on my Lewis and Parsons lines... plus a small amount on my Pennington and Short lines. Would love to find the ancestors (would settle for siblings, cousins… anything lol) of Elihue Couch. I also find I descend from the Hall family through two lines, but I guess that is for another list. Fay

Whay is the praises of genweb being posted on roots web? Its against the TOS of rootsweb about adverizing other services In other words according to the TOS rootsweb is not to be used as a message board for genweb or swapsourse or what ever. This is highly being abused Also "" ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb"" ----- Original Message ----- From: <fannyfay@zoomtown.com> To: <COUCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns > Hi, My name is Fay Lewis. I am so glad to able to join your list and hope that in doing so, I will learn more about my ancestors, and maybe be of help to you in learning a bit more about yours. > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank KATHY COUCH LATSHAW for the great job she has done in helping so many of us folk to put our families together through her unique swapasource site. I have Kathy to be extremely helpful, working tirelessly and for no reward other than to know she has helped someone in their quest for knowledge of their family. > Also my thanks go out to BILL COUCH for taking the time and effort to run his fine also unique Couchgenweb site, and also for allowing me to be named as a researcher on said site. Without the help of these two generous researchers many of us out here would still be lurking around in the dark looking for our ancestors. THANK YOU BOTH!!! > > Here are my Couch ancestors known to date: > My dads line: > GGGGGrandparents-John Couch/Elizabeth James > GGGGrandparents-Martin Couch/Sarah Hall > GGGrandparents-Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis > GGrandparents-Thaddeus Lewis/Anna Pennington > Grandparents-Hiram Lewis/Martha Jane Short > Parents-Burtchell James Lewis/Dora Lee Parsons > Me-Fay Lewis > > My mothers line: > GGrandparents-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns (Elihue is my brick wall &#61516;) > Grandparents-Fanny Mae Couch/William Preston Parsons > Parents-Dora Lee Parsons/Burchell James Lewis > Me-Fay Lewis > > I have collected quiet a bit of data on my Lewis and Parsons lines... plus a small amount on my Pennington and Short lines. > > Would love to find the ancestors (would settle for siblings, cousins. anything lol) of Elihue Couch. > > I also find I descend from the Hall family through two lines, but I guess that is for another list. > > Fay > > > > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I too, like Fay, would like to thank all those who have donated their time and lives to help others. I don't see this as advertizement. I'm sure some of us do pay for sites, but putting their sites here, I don't see as advertizement for that company, only for the content on it. Sometimes people take things to literally. Chill out and let the rest of us enjoy getting to know folks as they put their data on this list. dianne wood coweta co, newnan ga __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

Well said, Windwalker !! Thank you. Joyce

Recently it has came to being noticed, that some of the sites being advertized as Couch genealogy has been making extreme changes. Deleting info on known lines and place of known origins. And replacing said with "projected" lines. Or line modified to a particular family unit. It has also been reported ans seen, some people are modifying the lines for online viewing. With data that is reverse of the known family units. Also some of the Couch lines are being changed to delete a demographic area. This is being done by persons using internet "information" And not folowing up on the lines of Known Kentucky familys aand NC lines. Sons /Daughters of the head of the line are being deleted, without just cause by some intent on having the lines to their benefit. Its strange that the lines can be modified by those who at present have no apparent Couch bloodage. Some of these researchers are throwing up sites calling them selves "professional researchers". As one site now has been modified so much as to context, it now is not even close on information. I highly advise ANYONE to research thir own lines and dismiss totally published internet sites. It also has been reported and seen, that the early lines of John Couch have been modified as to the areas they were in and documented they were in, and also the children of said John Couch of Kentucky. Names are being thrown out as being not of the line, when in fact they are. Reasons? the researchers have not a clue of the Perry lines as they are not from there. Again I myself advise ANY to use the utmost caution on any information that is being published or pushed as the "true" Couch lines. People with proven without doubt information and documentation has submitted said info to some of these sites as proof that line is not as published. This information was not acted on nor accepted. Or even acknowledged. Some of thiis other imformation has been submitted by those taking the Couch DNA and the results coming back as not in line.Yet they are providing imformation as if they are indeed a "Couch" Several changes have been made on "sites" by or from people who have no proof of Couch linage except via word of mouth. I.E Im told my father was a Couch.. so here is my info to add. Again I advise a extreme degree of caution for anyone accepting the info so published on several Couch sites at this time. Its being changed and pushed on people as correct. And the people who are publishing it are biased to the point they are accepting it as the answer to their problem. Also "books" are being pushed by several sites. I.E see this book.. this book has this.... this book is how the line is Again use extreme caution. Authors commonly made mistakes or had a one sided view to their genealogy. in conclusion. Use EXTREME caution with new info thats being modified on some established sites and a couple of want to be sites. Some of the early researches had the Kentuck/NC lines more close than one thinks. But due to some with a know it all attitude and the ability to put up a web site... the lines are fast falling to more errors

Yes, this is a descendent of Mathew & Jane Endsley Couch who were in Coweta Co GA. Mathew is a son of James Couch of SC. Jane is dtr of James Endsley of Guiliford Co NC, a RS soldier. di --- "Joyce H. Reeves" <JoyceHouseReeve@webtv.net> wrote: > > --WebTV-Mail-25989-787 > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > There is a GA Couch family mentioned in this site. Maybe belongs > to > someone on this list... > Joyce > > > --WebTV-Mail-25989-787 > X-URL-Title: Hightower Family > Content-Disposition: Inline > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > http://members.aol.com/InmanGA/family.hightower.html > > --WebTV-Mail-25989-787-- > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and > administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the > CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

--WebTV-Mail-25989-787 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit There is a GA Couch family mentioned in this site. Maybe belongs to someone on this list... Joyce --WebTV-Mail-25989-787 X-URL-Title: Hightower Family Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit http://members.aol.com/InmanGA/family.hightower.html --WebTV-Mail-25989-787--

I've come across a record, "Return of a Death" that appears to be for Thomas Couch Sr. b. 1809-1812 NC, m. Elizabeth Campbell, d. August 11, 1858. They are in the 1850 Perry Co. KY census. This document is very poor and hard to read but includes the following information in part: Age, 49 yrs Condition, married Occupation, farmer Residence, Big Creek, Perry Co. KY born, " " " Name of parents/owner: ? John or James ? Death, August 11, 1858 Any records I've seen on this Thomas have him as s/o Martin Couch. I've scanned it best I can and perhaps someone else can make out the father's name? I am certain it begins with a "J" but not sure about the rest. There is another Couch whose father was John opposite this image, same hand writing and comparison helps a bit. Is there anyone working on this particular family? >From what I understand, these records were used by ministers, physicians, etc, person who last attended the deceased, then they were submitted to the county then on to state. It's similar to Return of a Marriage. Would love to hear some thoughts on this type of record in rating it as a source. Kathleen Couch Latshaw (Kathy) Kentucky Couch Kin http://swapasource.com

Montgomery co Va.

Vic, Where did this1792 marriage take place? ---------- >From: MR5X95@aol.com >To: COUCH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [COUCH] Smith/Crouch >Date: Thu, Oct 30, 2003, 3:20 PM > >I found this, does anyone know this couple? > Elizabeth (Betsey) Smith married on Jan. 26, 1792 to James Crouch. >witt: David Crouch & W. Tigg. > > Vic > > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered >by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >