Here Goes! Daniel Couch b. 7/20/1739 in Redding, Fairfield Co., CT m. 1/23/1763 same location, d. 4/6/1818 in Milton, Washington City, NY m. Sarah House (Howes) b. 1745 in Redding, Ct. d. 2/23/1821 in Milton, NY bur. in N> Milton Cemetary Daniel Couch, Jr. b. 4/22/1764 in Redding, CT d. 1/1841 in Hillsdale Co, MI Elijah couch b. 1765. d. 1834 m. Laura Platt Ira Howes Couch b. 9/29/1766 in Redding, CT d. 1842 m. 1794 to Mehitable Magee Sally Couch b. 2/4/1770 in Redding, CT d.5/11/1772 in Redding, CT Sarah Couch b. 1770 Mary Couch b. 3/1772 in Redding, CT d. 5/11/1772 in Redding, CT >Also, Diane...what are the names of the Siblings of Elijah? > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Diane <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: 11/4/2003 4:25:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Connecticut Couch Family --era 1739-1790. > > > > Hi Again, > > > > I do not show a spouse for Daniel, Jr. > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > >I need some help from anyone familiar with the Couch line in Redding, > > >CT. I am a registrar for the DAR and am trying to find an Elijah Couch, > > >who the Grandmother's and mother's papers done in 1968, says was a son >of > > >Daniel Couch, A Revolutionary patriot. The Barbour Records do not list > > >him nor does any other source except the LDS Sealing Records which took > > >their reference from the DAR. This is not acceptable. > > > Is there something that I am missing? He married Laura Platt. He > > > supposedly was born in 1765. All of the documentation below him can be > > > proved perfectly > > > > > > Does anyone have the children of Daniel Couch, Jr? I cannot find > > > his childreren; it might be that they used him instead of Elijah. > > > > > >Thanks so much, Mary > > >. > > > > > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > > >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and > > >administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > > > > >============================== > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, > > >go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and >administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and >administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Mary, Most of my info comes from the Barbour Records . Living in Fairfield Co., CT I have ready access to these books at the local libraries. Diane >Diane...may I please ask you where you found this information? I live in >California and sometimes am not able to access all the eastern data. > >Mary > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Diane <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: 11/4/2003 4:25:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Connecticut Couch Family --era 1739-1790. > > > > Hi Mary, > > > > Daniel Couch m. Sarah House (Howse) > > Elijah b. 1765 d. 1834 > > m. Laura Platt > > do not know of any offspring. > > > > Elijah did have 5 other siblings. > > > > I will gladly provide any other info as needed. > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > > > >I need some help from anyone familiar with the Couch line in Redding, > > >CT. I am a registrar for the DAR and am trying to find an Elijah Couch, > > >who the Grandmother's and mother's papers done in 1968, says was a son >of > > >Daniel Couch, A Revolutionary patriot. The Barbour Records do not list > > >him nor does any other source except the LDS Sealing Records which took > > >their reference from the DAR. This is not acceptable. > > > Is there something that I am missing? He married Laura Platt. He > > > supposedly was born in 1765. All of the documentation below him can be > > > proved perfectly > > > > > > Does anyone have the children of Daniel Couch, Jr? I cannot find > > > his childreren; it might be that they used him instead of Elijah. > > > > > >Thanks so much, Mary > > >. > > > > > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > > >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and > > >administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > > > > >============================== > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, > > >go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and >administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and >administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Also, Diane...what are the names of the Siblings of Elijah? > [Original Message] > From: Diane <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 11/4/2003 4:25:26 PM > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Connecticut Couch Family --era 1739-1790. > > Hi Again, > > I do not show a spouse for Daniel, Jr. > > Diane > > > > > >I need some help from anyone familiar with the Couch line in Redding, > >CT. I am a registrar for the DAR and am trying to find an Elijah Couch, > >who the Grandmother's and mother's papers done in 1968, says was a son of > >Daniel Couch, A Revolutionary patriot. The Barbour Records do not list > >him nor does any other source except the LDS Sealing Records which took > >their reference from the DAR. This is not acceptable. > > Is there something that I am missing? He married Laura Platt. He > > supposedly was born in 1765. All of the documentation below him can be > > proved perfectly > > > > Does anyone have the children of Daniel Couch, Jr? I cannot find > > his childreren; it might be that they used him instead of Elijah. > > > >Thanks so much, Mary > >. > > > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and > >administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Fay......I'm also working on an Eli b. abt. m. Emily Jane Mann, 1876 Lee Co. KY. I've gathered loads of data on variations of the name in the area including Elihue. Contact me and I'll try to put into summary for you. Also....I've lost Eli and Emily after 1910 Whitley Co. KY census. Any ideas much appreciated. Kathleen Couch Latshaw Kentucky Couch Kin http://swapasource.com > My mothers line: > GGrandparents-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns (Elihue is my brick wall &#61516;) > Grandparents-Fanny Mae Couch/William Preston Parsons > Parents-Dora Lee Parsons/Burchell James Lewis > Me-Fay Lewis

Diane...may I please ask you where you found this information? I live in California and sometimes am not able to access all the eastern data. Mary > [Original Message] > From: Diane <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 11/4/2003 4:25:32 PM > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Connecticut Couch Family --era 1739-1790. > > Hi Mary, > > Daniel Couch m. Sarah House (Howse) > Elijah b. 1765 d. 1834 > m. Laura Platt > do not know of any offspring. > > Elijah did have 5 other siblings. > > I will gladly provide any other info as needed. > > Diane > > > > > > >I need some help from anyone familiar with the Couch line in Redding, > >CT. I am a registrar for the DAR and am trying to find an Elijah Couch, > >who the Grandmother's and mother's papers done in 1968, says was a son of > >Daniel Couch, A Revolutionary patriot. The Barbour Records do not list > >him nor does any other source except the LDS Sealing Records which took > >their reference from the DAR. This is not acceptable. > > Is there something that I am missing? He married Laura Platt. He > > supposedly was born in 1765. All of the documentation below him can be > > proved perfectly > > > > Does anyone have the children of Daniel Couch, Jr? I cannot find > > his childreren; it might be that they used him instead of Elijah. > > > >Thanks so much, Mary > >. > > > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and > >administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello....I guess I didn't too good of a job describing who I was looking for. Daniel Couch is the Patriot that all these people used to enter the DAR. He is very acceptable and documented. Many of these ladies used his son for the next genealogy step. This son was called Elijah born in 1765. I cannot find him anywhere and wonder if he did not exist. Mary

Hi Again, I do not show a spouse for Daniel, Jr. Diane >I need some help from anyone familiar with the Couch line in Redding, >CT. I am a registrar for the DAR and am trying to find an Elijah Couch, >who the Grandmother's and mother's papers done in 1968, says was a son of >Daniel Couch, A Revolutionary patriot. The Barbour Records do not list >him nor does any other source except the LDS Sealing Records which took >their reference from the DAR. This is not acceptable. > Is there something that I am missing? He married Laura Platt. He > supposedly was born in 1765. All of the documentation below him can be > proved perfectly > > Does anyone have the children of Daniel Couch, Jr? I cannot find > his childreren; it might be that they used him instead of Elijah. > >Thanks so much, Mary >. > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and >administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Mary, Daniel Couch m. Sarah House (Howse) Elijah b. 1765 d. 1834 m. Laura Platt do not know of any offspring. Elijah did have 5 other siblings. I will gladly provide any other info as needed. Diane >I need some help from anyone familiar with the Couch line in Redding, >CT. I am a registrar for the DAR and am trying to find an Elijah Couch, >who the Grandmother's and mother's papers done in 1968, says was a son of >Daniel Couch, A Revolutionary patriot. The Barbour Records do not list >him nor does any other source except the LDS Sealing Records which took >their reference from the DAR. This is not acceptable. > Is there something that I am missing? He married Laura Platt. He > supposedly was born in 1765. All of the documentation below him can be > proved perfectly > > Does anyone have the children of Daniel Couch, Jr? I cannot find > his childreren; it might be that they used him instead of Elijah. > >Thanks so much, Mary >. > >==== COUCH Mailing List ==== >Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and >administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi, again....Elijah was not the one I am looking for as a soldier.....His father was already one...Howsomever...I am just trying to justify that Elijah Couch existed as the son of Daniel Couch. Thank you...M > [Original Message] > From: Windwalker <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 11/4/2003 2:04:47 PM > Subject: Re: [COUCH] Connecticut Couch Family --era 1739-1790. > > As you know alot of loyalists that were given a chance to serve or hang was > not put in "the books" > The CT/cont line {reg army} roster > would be good place to start. > Barring that a muster records of militia.. Barring that straight > volunteers. Another point.. some were scriptied in New England. > Had someone else serve th their place. NY was real bad about that. > L of C with your name is good place to look.. It will pull any type records > on the name... but requires extensive time to go through all the records > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Rigdon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:30 AM > Subject: [COUCH] Connecticut Couch Family --era 1739-1790. > > > > I need some help from anyone familiar with the Couch line in Redding, > > CT. I am a registrar for the DAR and am trying to find an Elijah Couch, > > who the Grandmother's and mother's papers done in 1968, says was a son of > > Daniel Couch, A Revolutionary patriot. The Barbour Records do not list > him > > nor does any other source except the LDS Sealing Records which took their > > reference from the DAR. This is not acceptable. > > Is there something that I am missing? He married Laura Platt. He > > supposedly was born in 1765. All of the documentation below him can be > > proved perfectly > > > > Does anyone have the children of Daniel Couch, Jr? I cannot find > his > > childreren; it might be that they used him instead of Elijah. > > > > Thanks so much, Mary > > . > > > > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and > administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The John S. Couch I have is John Smith Couch and born in VA. ellen

The John Smith Couch I have was born in VA. At least we try. ellen -----

As you know alot of loyalists that were given a chance to serve or hang was not put in "the books" The CT/cont line {reg army} roster would be good place to start. Barring that a muster records of militia.. Barring that straight volunteers. Another point.. some were scriptied in New England. Had someone else serve th their place. NY was real bad about that. L of C with your name is good place to look.. It will pull any type records on the name... but requires extensive time to go through all the records ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Rigdon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: [COUCH] Connecticut Couch Family --era 1739-1790. > I need some help from anyone familiar with the Couch line in Redding, > CT. I am a registrar for the DAR and am trying to find an Elijah Couch, > who the Grandmother's and mother's papers done in 1968, says was a son of > Daniel Couch, A Revolutionary patriot. The Barbour Records do not list him > nor does any other source except the LDS Sealing Records which took their > reference from the DAR. This is not acceptable. > Is there something that I am missing? He married Laura Platt. He > supposedly was born in 1765. All of the documentation below him can be > proved perfectly > > Does anyone have the children of Daniel Couch, Jr? I cannot find his > childreren; it might be that they used him instead of Elijah. > > Thanks so much, Mary > . > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I need some help from anyone familiar with the Couch line in Redding, CT. I am a registrar for the DAR and am trying to find an Elijah Couch, who the Grandmother's and mother's papers done in 1968, says was a son of Daniel Couch, A Revolutionary patriot. The Barbour Records do not list him nor does any other source except the LDS Sealing Records which took their reference from the DAR. This is not acceptable. Is there something that I am missing? He married Laura Platt. He supposedly was born in 1765. All of the documentation below him can be proved perfectly Does anyone have the children of Daniel Couch, Jr? I cannot find his childreren; it might be that they used him instead of Elijah. Thanks so much, Mary .

Ellen, My John S Couch was John "Stidham" Couch. son of Joseph, husband of Katherine. Ron

Thought some of you would be interested in this fascinating topic that I'm cross-posting from another list. Someone mentioned about possibility of Group 9 DNA, Jacob Couch/Kentz being related to this group? Kathy --------------- Appeared in the Knoxville News Sentinel, Knoxville, TN on Monday, November 3, 2003 STORY OF MELUNGEONS SHOWS EARLY DIVERSITY IN UPPER SOUTH In the mid-1970's, when I developed an interest in the people called Melungeons, the only two books I could find on the subject were Jean Patterson Bible's "Melungeons Yesterday and Today," and Bonnie Ball's "The Melungeons." Today there are several available and you can type the name of the once-mysterious ethnic group into your computer browser and get thousands of references. John Sevier, Tennessee's first governor, was told by the Cherokees that they had long referred to Melungeons as "as blue-eyed Indians." The term "Melungeon" was probably given to them by French explorers, the first Europeans who ran into them, long before the Scotch-Irish arrived. Wherever it came from, it was a term of contempt, equivalent tp "mongrel." They were spread throughout the Southern Appalachians under various names - Brass Ankles, Carmelites, Lumbee Indians and Redbones - but they were concentrated in what is now Hancock County, Tenn. They were mostly dark, Mediterranean-looking people, but blue, gray and green eyes often turned up among them. They would sometimes say they were "Portygee," when asked their country of origin. When genetic testing became available, it was proven that many had come from Mediterranean stock - which likely included Moors, Berbers and even Serphadic Jews - who had probably fled religious or ethnic persecution and arrived by way of Portugal. But for 150 years, the so-called experts said such a heritage was not possible because people with Portuguese and other Mediterranean names had not been found on the passenger lists of European immigrants. It didn't occur to the experts that a people who had already fled one place because of ethnic persecution might have used English-sounding names to blend in when they came here. The scholars preferred to say they were Phoenicians, remnants of the Lost Colony of Roanoke, Croatan Indians, shipwrecked Welsh sailors or even a lost tribe of Israel. People without a voice of their own for generations - with names like Collins, Mullins, Chavis, Casteel, Cox and variety of spellings for Goin - they were helpless in stopping misinformation spread by other people. Their fair-skinned neighbors had always looked at them with suspicion. They were landowners of prime property they had settled before the Scotch, Irish and French got here. During a Tennessee constitutional convention that took place in the mid-1830s, the delegates seized the opportunity to declare the ethnic group known as Melungeons "free people of color," who could not own property, vote and were forbidden by law to marry white people or testify against them in court. Except in a few places like Claiborne County, (TN.) , where they had political power and called themselves "black Dutch" and "black Irish," their land was taken from them and many fled to the hills and settled places like Newman's Ridge, in what is now Hancock County. (TN.). Some believe that county was created especially for them, and it remains among the poorer areas in the state. Disenfranchised and denied education - or as victims of ethnic cleansing, as Dr. Brent Kennedy called it in "The Melungeons: The Resurrection of a Proud People," a book he coauthored with Robyn Vaughan Kennedy - some Melungeons survived by making whiskey, counterfeiting and even guerrilla warfare against both sides during the Civil War. The blue-eyed Kennedy, who had always thought of himself as Scotch-Irish, became interested in Melungeons when he was diagnosed with a disease only found in people of Mediterranean orgin. "Sneaky as a Melungeon" and "The Melungeons will get you if yo udo't behave" were common phrases well in the 20th century. It was also believed that two Melungeons would always recognize each other wherever they met in the world and that the offspring of whites and Melungeons would result in either dark or fair children because Melungeon blood wouldn't mix with white. My mother was a Goin from Claiborne County, (TN.), but she had never heard the term "Melungeon" until I told her about it. The legends and lies that made the Melungeons appear so mysterious for so long are proof that is possible to almost obliterate the heritage of any minority group. All you need is enough shame and comtempt. Written By: David Hunter, who writes this column for the News Sentinel, is a freelance writer and former Knox County sheriff's deputy. You may write him at P.O. Box 1124, Powell, TN. 37849. His e-mail address is [email protected]

Ellen, I have a John Smith Couch in my line. He was born in Ohio and died in Illinois Becky Griswold --- emcht <[email protected]> wrote: > Could your John S. Couch be John Smith Couch? ellen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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Could your John S. Couch be John Smith Couch? ellen > Greetings Couch Folk! > > I have learned much from many of you fine researchers. Thanks! Lately, I've > spent time making sure my immediate family tree is in order to make sure > future generations of genealogists won't have to second-guess quite as much. When > I first got interested in my family in 1991, I could only go back to my g > grandfather John S Couch, and then only bits and pieces. Now, through some > research of my own and the help of many others, I speak of Joseph, Martin and old > John with a little bit of authority. > > Ron Couch > > > ==== COUCH Mailing List ==== > Please note that this mailing list is operated by rootsweb and administered by a volunteer. It is not connected with the CouchGenWeb. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Yes, this is a wonderful hobby and the day it becomes a job.....I resign! :-) Below is a sentimental piece that best describes to me what draws many of us into genealogy. I give this to people who yawn and roll their eyes when I mention genealogy.....like I did in younger years :-) Wish I knew who wrote it. The Storytellers..... We are the chosen. My feelings are in each family there is one who seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that somehow they know and approve. To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the storytellers of the tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called as it were by our genes. Those who have gone before cry out to us: Tell our story. So, we do. In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have I stood before now and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told the ancestors you have a wonderful family you would be proud of us? How many times have I walked up to a grave and felt somehow there was love there for me? I cannot say. It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who we are and why we do the things we do? It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds and indifference and saying we can't let this happen. The bones here are bones of my bone and flesh of my flesh. It goes to doing something about it. It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and losses, their never giving in or giving up, their resoluteness to go on and build a life for their family. It goes to deep pride that they fought to make and keep us a Nation. It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. So we do. With love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, because we are them and they are us. So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one called in the next generation to answer the call and take their place in the long line of family storytellers. That, is why I do my family genealogy, and that is what calls those young and old to step up and put flesh on the bones. ( Author unknown) Kathleen Couch Latshaw Kentucky Couch Kin http://swapasource.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Couch" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [COUCH] Phoebe Couch/Isaac Lewis-Elihue Couch/Mary Ann Burns >> > Each will need to weigh their info and go over it for themself. And do > their Hobby as they see fit without someone else telling them how to do > it or it will not be a fun Hobby. It will then become a Job. > > Bill Couch.

Greetings Couch Folk! I have learned much from many of you fine researchers. Thanks! Lately, I've spent time making sure my immediate family tree is in order to make sure future generations of genealogists won't have to second-guess quite as much. When I first got interested in my family in 1991, I could only go back to my g grandfather John S Couch, and then only bits and pieces. Now, through some research of my own and the help of many others, I speak of Joseph, Martin and old John with a little bit of authority. Ron Couch