HI Margaret, I guess I was hoping that the English census would say, for instance, the Gilmore husband was born in Ireland but his (Britt(on)) wife was born in England. That at least would lead you to think that the Gilmore is the more likely relation to the born-in-Ireland Hollerans. (I just re-read your note and see you say ALL of the family is listed as from "Mahone," so I guess that includes the wife. Darn!) If both Gilmore and Britt(on) were born in Ireland, I would check to see which of them (surnames only, not specific people) can be found in proximity to Holleran, and target my next research that way. Reilly is certainly a common name, but that doesn't mean that it appears in all the same places that (the much more rare) Holleran does. If you find a place that has both of them (e.g., in GV or TA), then you have an area to focus in on as likely, to see if you can find a trace of your families in that area. You mention daughter Elizabeth's birth in 1862. Have you sought out the church baptism records? If they were in an Irish area, with an Irish priest, it's quite likely that he will have noted at least county of origin in Ireland for the parents. I've seen this a lot in Philadelphia and NYC Irish parishes, for example. How about Elizabeth's (and any siblings') marriages, both civil and religious? Depending on date and location, those may give some info on parents' origins in the old country. Meanwhile, I wish you luck in finding a Reilly in your line who at least has an uncommon first name. It would make your work so much easier! Good luck! Claire K. On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Margaret Donnelly <[email protected]> wrote: > ...Unfortunately, I don't know the cousinship among the 4 surnames....no information on their manifest > about point of origin. Thomas Holleran disappears from my research about > 1863... last records are his 1863 Civil > War draft registration and the 1862 birth of Elizabeth. Margaret Reilly > Holleran died in 1882, when New Jersey death certificates did not require > the names of parents. She is a widow in the 1870 census, with 5 children. > > I have not tried the Reily/Reilly line, because it is such a common name. I > have looked at Holleran and Gilmore, but have not yet dug into the Britt/on > line. I have John Gilmore and Mary in the 1875 NY Census, but nothing later > on them…. > -----Original Message----- > ... > Hi Margaret, > > Was it John Gilmore who was the Holleran's first cousin, or was Mary > Britt(on)s the Holleran cousin? Whichever it is, have you tried > triangulating the Gilmore/Britt(on), Holleran, and Reilly names to see if > you can find them in close proximity (same parish or adjoining parishes, > perhaps)? Maybe that will help you narrow down a Galway or Mayo locale so > you can dig more deeply into unofficial placenames, subdenomination names, > and the like, and find one that looks / sounds like "Mahone." > > Claire K. > > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Hooksett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ...Irish cousins of mine, the Gilmores, lived in Oldham, Lancashire, >> England for a few years.[In] the English census...The entire family is >> listed as born in "Mahone, Ireland." >> >> Since these Gilmore family members from "Mahone" are close cousins to >> my Holleran family, I'm hoping to pinpoint the location. ...Thomas > Holleran... >> arrived in New York in 1850, single, and on the same ship with his >> future wife, Margaret A Reily/Reilly. They will marry on January 1, > 1851... >> >> Peter Gilmore will be born July 27, 1862, in Oldham, Lancashire to >> John Gilmore and Mary Britt or Britton. In 1899, he will marry >> Elizabeth Holleran, younger sister of my great grandmother...2nd cousins. >> >> Any suggestions for "Mahone?" >> ... >> The name Holleran is NOT a common one and appears to be mostly >> concentrated in the old Connaught Province, in Galway and Mayo. >> Alternate spellings like Halloran are more widespread. > ...

Good morning Claire, I have the Roman Catholic records, from microfilm, for baptisms of daughters Elizabeth, 1862, and Catherine (my GGM), 1860, as well as the marriage of Thomas and Margaret in 1851 - all at the same Church in Jersey City, New Jersey. None of them have any detail of place of birth for Thomas and Margaret - not even the generic Ireland. Margaret's death certificate from 1882 only lists Ireland. As an aside, I have several dozen Roman Catholic marriage and baptismal records from New Jersey between 1851 and 1922 and not one has anything more specific than Ireland. My research would be so much easier if even one of them had more detail! It is interesting on that 1861 English census that the family just above the Gilmore group is listed as coming from "Ireland, Castlebar, Mayo," with much better detail than the Gilmore group. The locals from the same page have "Lancs, Oldham," while the last family on the page has only "Ireland." I plan to look at more of the surrounding pages, to see if I can find some more hints. One of the Gilmore daughters (aunt to Peter who will marry Elizabeth Holleran) is married to an Oldham man, with 3 children born in Oldham, indicating at least part of the family has been in Oldham more than 5 years. The family is employed in the cotton mill, as are many of their neighbors. I did some cross-checking on rootsireland.ie, looking for a Gilmore-Reilly connection. I looked for baptisms of Reilly children with Gilmore mothers and Gilmore children with Reilly mothers and found quite a few of both. The Gilmore baptisms with Reilly mothers are concentrated in Antrim. The Reilly births with Gilmore mothers are scattered, with a slight edge to Louth and Galway. Thanks for the suggestions and the wishes. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Claire K [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 10 August, 2013 12:45 AM To: Margaret Donnelly Cc: Claire K; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Mahon/Mahone HI Margaret, I guess I was hoping that the English census would say, for instance, the Gilmore husband was born in Ireland but his (Britt(on)) wife was born in England. That at least would lead you to think that the Gilmore is the more likely relation to the born-in-Ireland Hollerans. (I just re-read your note and see you say ALL of the family is listed as from "Mahone," so I guess that includes the wife. Darn!) If both Gilmore and Britt(on) were born in Ireland, I would check to see which of them (surnames only, not specific people) can be found in proximity to Holleran, and target my next research that way. Reilly is certainly a common name, but that doesn't mean that it appears in all the same places that (the much more rare) Holleran does. If you find a place that has both of them (e.g., in GV or TA), then you have an area to focus in on as likely, to see if you can find a trace of your families in that area. You mention daughter Elizabeth's birth in 1862. Have you sought out the church baptism records? If they were in an Irish area, with an Irish priest, it's quite likely that he will have noted at least county of origin in Ireland for the parents. I've seen this a lot in Philadelphia and NYC Irish parishes, for example. How about Elizabeth's (and any siblings') marriages, both civil and religious? Depending on date and location, those may give some info on parents' origins in the old country. Meanwhile, I wish you luck in finding a Reilly in your line who at least has an uncommon first name. It would make your work so much easier! Good luck! Claire K. On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Margaret Donnelly <[email protected]> wrote: > ...Unfortunately, I don't know the cousinship among the 4 > surnames....no information on their manifest about point of origin. > Thomas Holleran disappears from my research about 1863... last records > are his 1863 Civil War draft registration and the 1862 birth of > Elizabeth. Margaret Reilly Holleran died in 1882, when New Jersey > death certificates did not require the names of parents. She is a widow in the 1870 census, with 5 children. > > I have not tried the Reily/Reilly line, because it is such a common > name. I have looked at Holleran and Gilmore, but have not yet dug into > the Britt/on line. I have John Gilmore and Mary in the 1875 NY Census, > but nothing later on them.. > -----Original Message----- > ... > Hi Margaret, > > Was it John Gilmore who was the Holleran's first cousin, or was Mary > Britt(on)s the Holleran cousin? Whichever it is, have you tried > triangulating the Gilmore/Britt(on), Holleran, and Reilly names to see > if you can find them in close proximity (same parish or adjoining > parishes, perhaps)? Maybe that will help you narrow down a Galway or > Mayo locale so you can dig more deeply into unofficial placenames, > subdenomination names, and the like, and find one that looks / sounds like "Mahone." > > Claire K. > > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Hooksett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ...Irish cousins of mine, the Gilmores, lived in Oldham, Lancashire, >> England for a few years.[In] the English census...The entire family >> is listed as born in "Mahone, Ireland." >> >> Since these Gilmore family members from "Mahone" are close cousins to >> my Holleran family, I'm hoping to pinpoint the location. ...Thomas > Holleran... >> arrived in New York in 1850, single, and on the same ship with his >> future wife, Margaret A Reily/Reilly. They will marry on January 1, > 1851... >> >> Peter Gilmore will be born July 27, 1862, in Oldham, Lancashire to >> John Gilmore and Mary Britt or Britton. In 1899, he will marry >> Elizabeth Holleran, younger sister of my great grandmother...2nd cousins. >> >> Any suggestions for "Mahone?" >> ... >> The name Holleran is NOT a common one and appears to be mostly >> concentrated in the old Connaught Province, in Galway and Mayo. >> Alternate spellings like Halloran are more widespread. > ...