Hello Boyd and any other interested listers., As a word of caution from someone who, as part of out probate research work, has to constantly find births, marriages and deaths in Irish civil registration on a weekly basis.I do not use the on line indexes either on Familysearch.org or Ancestry.com. They are in fact the same and are full of errors and omissions. In some cases whole districts have been left out. If you ever look at the original printed indexes on film, from which these data bases were extracted, you will see that several years have now become illegible through deterioration of the paper and ink.The GRO Ireland {GROie} have a digital database, but is not for public use.GRO Northern Ireland's {GRONI}digital database can be accessed at their HQ in Belfast by personal visit. I first discovered that the on line indexes were unreliable when I searched for my father's birth then my mother's birth and those of my older siblings all born pre 1958 in Inishowen, County Donegal.None of the them can be found in the on line indexes. Best by far, if you can, is to get to either GRO Belfast for N Ireland or GRO Dublin for the Republic and use their facilities on site. If you cann't make it and not everybody can for obvious reasons, try to get somebody local who will go in for you. Its the only way to make an accurate and fully inclusive search. I am not an expert on Roots Ireland ,but are they not Church records of baptism rather than civil births? Not every baptised child was civilly registered and not every registered child was baptised. Marriages are different. They should appear both as civil and Church records.At the time of marriage 2 matching copies of the entry were made, one for the Church and one for the civil registrar. A 3rd copy could be given to the married couple if they wanted to buy it. Very few did. my best regardsRobert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:52:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The IrishTimes - Mon, Nov 04, 2013 > > Hi Claire, > > Do they mean the Griffiths Valuation Revision Lists when they say "Valuation > Office records"? It is a huge asset, when you are working in NI, to have > these and I would love to have them for the RoI. > > May I take this opportunity to ask a question about BMDs, which always > puzzles me, and which refers directly the comments in this article about > having a double check. > > I DO always double check between the BMDs on Familysearch and those on > RootsIreland. Actually, it is about far more than double checking. If > there is a record of a BMD in the Index to BMDs, then almost invariably, > barring errors, it should appear at both Fs and RI, apart from exceptions. > And if RI has it, then the record itself should be there, and then one can > tease a lot of information out of that record - as I have shown you before, > Claire. > > BUT, I often find that this is not the case. The record is clearly in the > FS Index to BMDs, but then does not appear at RI for me to use. It happened > no less than three times during one single two hour class I was taking this > afternoon, leaving me with egg on my face. > > So, does RI have all the Civil BMDs, or does it not? Barring the odd > mistranscription etc. What happened to me this afternoon happens too often > for it to be simply the odd error. > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Claire K > Sent: 11 November 2013 14:49 > To: CoTyrone CoTyrone > Subject: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The > IrishTimes - Mon, Nov 04, 2013 > > Hi list, > > I thought some of you might be interested in these online coming > attractions. The valuation records are, to me, the most interesting, but the > BMD records are nothing to sneeze at, either. Assuming the promised records > actually materialize, of course!! > > http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/irish-roots-john-grenham-1.158079 > 0 > > Claire K > Sent from my iPhone > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fellow researchers I have been looking into Ulster history in the 1850s and wondered if anyone could explain the practice of cutting the tails off cows and what it meant Cheers Graham