And what makes that nice Trudy is if you use Portable version of Gramps available here http://portableapps.com/apps/education/gramps_portable You can put the tree on a 32 or 64GB thumb drive and use your program at the public library while using their free access to ancestry at least here in Ontario most libraries have this service. The benefit of the Portable Gramps it's file structure will work on both my Mac and on the PC portable version available without data any data loss. It quickly transfers as well to my windows laptop end result best of both worlds and you can show the tree off at family picnics and reunions without lugging around a 27" Mac. lol Leonard G. Fluhrer III len3@golden.net