Hi, Claire - And I thought trying to decipher Old German script/handwriting (Luxemburg censuses) was difficult. Many of the parish records I'm looking at are so poorly filmed I can't always make out any headings. And there was one, however, that was in beautiful script, all legible. Real treat even if I didn't find my Treanors. Well I doubt anyone would want to read my handwriting these days. Thanks! Ellen -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire K via Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:56 PM To: Ulster Ancestry Cc: cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] RC registers - question Hi Ellen, In one of my parishes, one film has both baps and marriages on it. See description at beginning of page. If that's what you have, click to see the thumbnails and see if you can see where the M book begins, then jump ahead to look. HTH Claire K Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Ulster Ancestry via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello Ellen > I've been working with Catholic registers for 20 years and they can be a headache! > One thing for sure, they need time to examine if you are to be accurate which is what everyone aims to be. >> From my experience there is no such thing as a "speedy" search of Catholic records. > It's not possible. > best regards > Robert > www.ulsterancestry.com > >> From: ee@ellenelliott.com >> To: ulsterancestry@hotmail.com >> Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] RC registers - question >> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:31:58 -0400 >> >> Thanks. That makes much more sense; however I did find it under >> marriage tab. >> Guess there are a few kinks to work out. >> >> Again, much thanks. >> Ellen >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ulster >> Ancestry via >> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 8:35 AM >> To: cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] RC registers - question >> >> Hello Ellen. >> This is a baptism, not a marriage. >> Bridget {child of} Hugh Trainer and Ann Sloan God parents : Peter >> Rice and Ann Cunningham Catholic registers can be difficult to >> di-cypher especially as many are recorded in "scrawley" Latin. >> best regards >> Robert >> www.ulsterancestry.com >> >>> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 08:00:34 -0400 >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] RC registers - question >>> From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> I was hoping to find an explanation on how records were worded back then. >>> >>> For example, I found a marriage entry that reads: >>> >>> Bridget of Hugh Trainer and Ann Sloan (I assume Bridget is the bride >>> and her parents are Hugh & Ann) >>> >>> Next line: looks like Sl Peter Rice (?) and Ann Cunningham >>> >>> Are they the sponsors (Sl really is Sp) or groom's parents? >>> >>> Where is the groom's name? >>> >>> Thanks for any advice! >>> >>> Ellen >>> USA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard >>> Ovington via >>> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 5:34 AM >>> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] RC registers >>> >>> They are equally easy to navigate via computer >>> >>> Those I have looked at have been a joy, a few are hard to read but >>> the majority are clear >>> >>> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >>> >>>> On 09/07/2015 07:03, Claire K via wrote: >>>> For anyone who missed the big reveal, the NLI's RC parish registers >>>> are >>> online at registers.nli.ie. I got an initial 404 error, but tried a >>> second time and had no problems accessing the site. And have not >>> been >> bumped off. >>> Looking good! >>>> >>>> I've looked through a couple of Tyrone parishes so far, on iPhone. >>>> Easy to >>> navigate. Nice enhancements -- map showing adjoining parishes, >>> thumbnails so you can jump ahead to later images quickly, header for >>> each two-page spread giving that spread's year range. Easy to >>> enlarge (the usual 3-finger spread). >>>> >>>> I assume / hope all this ease of use translates to computer access >>> options... >>>> >>>> I hope all of you are finding new info, or at least capturing >>>> digital >>> images of what you've previously transcribed. >>>> >>>> If you have problems reading or interpreting the records, post the >>>> info to >>> the list so we can find it, and we'll all help each other out! >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> Claire K >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does your Trainor line branch off the Hy-Many pedigree of O'Donovan's chart? Do have any idea what I am talking about? There are a few surnames which branch off the same ancestor, Máine Mór from the 4th century Ireland. He originally came from what is now know as Co. Tyrone and travelled to Connacht around 357 AD where he concurred the people called the Fir Bolg, ruled by King Cian d'Fhearaibh Bolg. Here is a bit of literature on the Ui Maine or Hy-Many. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U%C3%AD_Maine I know Trainor isn't listed on wiki but it is definitely one of the surnames which came from the descendants of Maine Mor. The Trainor DNA line (or spelling variations) seemed to have branched off of the family line around 600 AD. Here is a bit on the SNPS of latest Big Y DNA testing going on for the Hy-Many The DOM-5 (dominant 5 single nucleotide polymorphisms) all occurred between 600AD (generation 8 after Maine Mor) and 1200AD (generation 25) (600 years for 5 BIG-Y mutations is about right - one every 120 years or bout one every 4 generations). After generation 25 there is some branching which I think is the effect of the grandchildren of William Boy O'Kelly (28), his father (27) or grandfather (26). Assuming that to be the case, the BIG-Y results to date show there to be four Hy-Many lines. Two lines are Kellys and two lines are non-Kelly Hy-Many being the Madden/Trainor line that branched off at 600AD and the Keogh line that branched off at generation 25 after Domhnall (25) - the Keogh branch is clearly consistent with the branching on O'Donovan's chart. The pedigree chart is from the book, The Tribes and Customs of The Hy Many. I have the pedigree chart in a PDF file if anyone wants to see it. It covers about 1000 years or more. Regards, Michael Kelly Emporium, Cameron County, Pennsylvania, United States of America -----Original Message----- From: Ellen Elliott via Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 4:20 PM To: 'Claire K' ; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] RC registers - question Hi, Claire - And I thought trying to decipher Old German script/handwriting (Luxemburg censuses) was difficult. Many of the parish records I'm looking at are so poorly filmed I can't always make out any headings. And there was one, however, that was in beautiful script, all legible. Real treat even if I didn't find my Treanors. Well I doubt anyone would want to read my handwriting these days. Thanks! Ellen -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire K via Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 9:56 PM To: Ulster Ancestry Cc: cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] RC registers - question Hi Ellen, In one of my parishes, one film has both baps and marriages on it. See description at beginning of page. If that's what you have, click to see the thumbnails and see if you can see where the M book begins, then jump ahead to look. HTH Claire K Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Ulster Ancestry via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello Ellen > I've been working with Catholic registers for 20 years and they can be a headache! > One thing for sure, they need time to examine if you are to be accurate which is what everyone aims to be. >> From my experience there is no such thing as a "speedy" search of Catholic records. > It's not possible. > best regards > Robert > www.ulsterancestry.com > >> From: ee@ellenelliott.com >> To: ulsterancestry@hotmail.com >> Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] RC registers - question >> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:31:58 -0400 >> >> Thanks. That makes much more sense; however I did find it under >> marriage tab. >> Guess there are a few kinks to work out. >> >> Again, much thanks. >> Ellen >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ulster >> Ancestry via >> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 8:35 AM >> To: cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] RC registers - question >> >> Hello Ellen. >> This is a baptism, not a marriage. >> Bridget {child of} Hugh Trainer and Ann Sloan God parents : Peter >> Rice and Ann Cunningham Catholic registers can be difficult to >> di-cypher especially as many are recorded in "scrawley" Latin. >> best regards >> Robert >> www.ulsterancestry.com >> >>> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 08:00:34 -0400 >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] RC registers - question >>> From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> I was hoping to find an explanation on how records were worded back then. >>> >>> For example, I found a marriage entry that reads: >>> >>> Bridget of Hugh Trainer and Ann Sloan (I assume Bridget is the bride >>> and her parents are Hugh & Ann) >>> >>> Next line: looks like Sl Peter Rice (?) and Ann Cunningham >>> >>> Are they the sponsors (Sl really is Sp) or groom's parents? >>> >>> Where is the groom's name? >>> >>> Thanks for any advice! >>> >>> Ellen >>> USA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard >>> Ovington via >>> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 5:34 AM >>> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] RC registers >>> >>> They are equally easy to navigate via computer >>> >>> Those I have looked at have been a joy, a few are hard to read but >>> the majority are clear >>> >>> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >>> >>>> On 09/07/2015 07:03, Claire K via wrote: >>>> For anyone who missed the big reveal, the NLI's RC parish registers >>>> are >>> online at registers.nli.ie. I got an initial 404 error, but tried a >>> second time and had no problems accessing the site. And have not >>> been >> bumped off. >>> Looking good! >>>> >>>> I've looked through a couple of Tyrone parishes so far, on iPhone. >>>> Easy to >>> navigate. Nice enhancements -- map showing adjoining parishes, >>> thumbnails so you can jump ahead to later images quickly, header for >>> each two-page spread giving that spread's year range. Easy to >>> enlarge (the usual 3-finger spread). >>>> >>>> I assume / hope all this ease of use translates to computer access >>> options... >>>> >>>> I hope all of you are finding new info, or at least capturing >>>> digital >>> images of what you've previously transcribed. >>>> >>>> If you have problems reading or interpreting the records, post the >>>> info to >>> the list so we can find it, and we'll all help each other out! >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> Claire K >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message