Hi, For anyone interested, I found Church of Ireland in Donaghenry Parish records going back to the early 1700's. They are on microfilm at PRONI. The records are in very poor condition and have to be read with a magnifying glass. I was able to find one very clear record that gives me some interesting information on my ancestors. Kim McCord Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2015, at 2:00 AM, cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or wish to search or browse the archives or unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links and instructions. See http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our associated web site. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Clogher baptism records (Jo genealogy BT) > 2. Re: Clogher baptism records (Len Swindley) > 3. Re: Clogher baptism records (Len Swindley) > 4. Re: Clogher baptism records (Ellen Elliott) > 5. FW: baptism/birth records (Ulster Ancestry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:54:41 +0100 > From: "Jo genealogy BT" <jo.genealogy@btinternet.com> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B47E5B41AD2C4F0188F8158D95FBBBB7@Jonewlaptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Is this for C of I records as I have some for Clogher C of I that I copied > from PRONI a few years ago? > What is the name you are looking for? > > -----Original Message----- > From: eamonn teague <eamonnteague@eircom.net> > Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records > To: COTYRONEIRELAND <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <20841928.260838.1438455243427.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Folks, > > does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. Tyrone > exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI have records from > 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held earlier > records ???? > if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for someone who I > have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:45:52 +1000 > From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > To: "COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU181-W4047E48FEFC3AC029078B1E0880@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I think you are referring to RC records as the NLI does not hold films of C of I registers (these are held at the NAI). > > The earliest surviving records for the Catholic parish of Clogher have been filmed by PRONI: > > Aughintain (Fivemiletown Chapel); Baptisms 1870-81, Marriages 1870-83 > > Clogher Chapel; Baptisms 1856-81, Marriages 1825-35 & 1840-81 > > Hope this helps, > > Len Swindley, > Melbourne, Australia > > > >> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:54:41 +0100 >> Subject: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >> From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> >> Is this for C of I records as I have some for Clogher C of I that I copied >> from PRONI a few years ago? >> What is the name you are looking for? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eamonn teague <eamonnteague@eircom.net> >> Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records >> To: COTYRONEIRELAND <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <20841928.260838.1438455243427.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Folks, >> >> does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. Tyrone >> exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI have records from >> 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held earlier >> records ???? >> if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for someone who I >> have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? >> >> >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 23:34:14 +1000 > From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > To: "COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU181-W60CE7EE20F103E0EE83D5AE0880@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > PRONI Guide to Church Records records any registers/ records that await filming and the years covered and are still held at the local church, but in the case of Clogher no such comment is contained within the entry. > > As neither NLI and PRONI have filmed them it must be assumed that the baptisms were not recorded or the register has been destroyed. There was no legal compunction to maintain registers. This changed upon the introduction of civil registration in 1864 when the responsibility of recording BMDs became the responsibility of the State. > > As an example, I can quote the records for the church attended by my forebears; there are no surviving records prior to 1865. > > Hope this clarifies the situation, > > Len Swindley, > Melbourne, Australia > > > >> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:03:53 +0100 >> From: eamonnteague@eircom.net >> To: len_swindley@hotmail.com >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >> >> Thanks Len, its the Clogher ones I looked at. Do you know if the parish holds any earlier records locally that haven't been shared with NLI ? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Len Swindley via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >> To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:45:52 +0100 (IST) >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >> >> I think you are referring to RC records as the NLI does not hold films of C of I registers (these are held at the NAI). >> >> The earliest surviving records for the Catholic parish of Clogher have been filmed by PRONI: >> >> Aughintain (Fivemiletown Chapel); Baptisms 1870-81, Marriages 1870-83 >> >> Clogher Chapel; Baptisms 1856-81, Marriages 1825-35 & 1840-81 >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Len Swindley, >> Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> >>> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:54:41 +0100 >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >>> From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Is this for C of I records as I have some for Clogher C of I that I copied >>> from PRONI a few years ago? >>> What is the name you are looking for? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: eamonn teague <eamonnteague@eircom.net> >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records >>> To: COTYRONEIRELAND <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <20841928.260838.1438455243427.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. Tyrone >>> exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI have records from >>> 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held earlier >>> records ???? >>> if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for someone who I >>> have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 10:37:18 -0400 > From: "Ellen Elliott" <ee@ellenelliott.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001d0cd30$bbf3dd70$33db9850$@ellenelliott.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > This might help - > > On July 8, 2015, Catholic records were released to view and for free at: > > http://registers.nli.ie/ > > Baptism, Marriages, Burials for most, not all of the Parishes (nice map to > help you figure out most likely parishes. Bad news if you don't have a clue > where your folks lived). > > Not all years for all records are represented. In fact, some parish > years/records are quite skimpy. > Some of the records were written by a person whose handwritten skills > created a work of art. Most were not. Many are barely legible or > decipherable. > If that weren't enough, you have to go through page by page as they are not > indexed. > > And even if you find someone who sort of fits the bill, how can you be sure > if you don't have other supporting documentation? > Example: marriage record where the couple's names are 'right' (but common), > the timeframe is within reason, but with no parent's names provided (and you > didn't know them anyway) how can you be sure it's your couple? > > Still, I can do it at home and not have spent the money to fly across the > pond to sit at PRONI going through microfilm. > When I do go over, hopefully, I'll have nailed at least the village so I can > stand on the old sod (along with going through microfilm) > <sign> so little time, so many scans. > > The website FAQs - http://registers.nli.ie/help. > > This link may be of some use, > https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Ireland_Catholic_Church_Records. > > And if any of you nice folks run across a Hugh Treanor or Catherine Sherlock > - please give me a shout. :-) > > Ellen > Virginia USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Len Swindley via > Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 9:34 AM > To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > > PRONI Guide to Church Records records any registers/ records that await > filming and the years covered and are still held at the local church, but in > the case of Clogher no such comment is contained within the entry. > > As neither NLI and PRONI have filmed them it must be assumed that the > baptisms were not recorded or the register has been destroyed. There was no > legal compunction to maintain registers. This changed upon the introduction > of civil registration in 1864 when the responsibility of recording BMDs > became the responsibility of the State. > > As an example, I can quote the records for the church attended by my > forebears; there are no surviving records prior to 1865. > > Hope this clarifies the situation, > > Len Swindley, > Melbourne, Australia > > > >> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:03:53 +0100 >> From: eamonnteague@eircom.net >> To: len_swindley@hotmail.com >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >> >> Thanks Len, its the Clogher ones I looked at. Do you know if the parish > holds any earlier records locally that haven't been shared with NLI ? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Len Swindley via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >> To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:45:52 +0100 (IST) >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >> >> I think you are referring to RC records as the NLI does not hold films of > C of I registers (these are held at the NAI). >> >> The earliest surviving records for the Catholic parish of Clogher have > been filmed by PRONI: >> >> Aughintain (Fivemiletown Chapel); Baptisms 1870-81, Marriages 1870-83 >> >> Clogher Chapel; Baptisms 1856-81, Marriages 1825-35 & 1840-81 >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Len Swindley, >> Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> >>> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:54:41 +0100 >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >>> From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Is this for C of I records as I have some for Clogher C of I that I >>> copied from PRONI a few years ago? >>> What is the name you are looking for? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: eamonn teague <eamonnteague@eircom.net> >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records >>> To: COTYRONEIRELAND <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: >>> <20841928.260838.1438455243427.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. >>> Tyrone exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI >>> have records from >>> 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held >>> earlier records ???? >>> if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for >>> someone who I have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:41:18 +0000 > From: Ulster Ancestry <ulsterancestry@hotmail.com> > Subject: [CoTyIre] FW: baptism/birth records > To: "cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DUB114-W918E5417D5BE9CE926DAA8C3880@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Eamonn > I take it, as you mention the NLI, that it's Clogher Catholic records you are refering to. > The following are available as public records. You would need to contact the Church directly to see if they have anything earlier in local custody > > R.C. Aughintaine [sic Aghintain] (Fivemiletown) (Clogher diocese) > > Baptisms, 1870-1881; marriages, 1870-83. > > > > R.C. Clogher (Clogher diocese) > > Baptisms, 1856-1881; marriages, 1825-35 and 1840-81. > Contact details from their website are > Clogher Diocesan Office > > Phone{ROI} 047 81019 > > > Email diocesanoffice@clogherdiocese.ie > > > > > best regards > Robert > > >> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 19:54:03 +0100 >> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records >> From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> >> Folks, >> >> does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. Tyrone exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI have records from 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held earlier records ???? >> if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for someone who I have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 165 > ************************************************