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    1. [CoTyIre] Location of Townlands, County Tyrone
    2. norman full via
    3. Good afternoon, I started researching the Fleeting family from County Tyrone some time ago. I have returned after being distracted by other parts of my family & would like to plan a visit the townlands mentioned in the material I have collected. I would appreciate help in locating the following townlands:- Ardpatrick ( John Fleeting, Griffith's Valuation); Templereagh (William Fleeting b. 1843, old family bible); Ruan, probably Roughan ( Mary Ann Fleeting b. ca 1855 , Passenger list on arrival in Australia). I would also like to learn which are the most useful maps & how to obtain them. Finally, how could I go about finding roughly where they lived. Thank you Norman Full, Australia

    06/08/2015 08:07:18
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] Location of Townlands, County Tyrone
    2. Boyd Gray via
    3. Hi Norman, This is a very uncommon name. The Griffiths Valuation shows that "John Fleetin" held a very tiny cottage, designated "d", on Plot 1, belonging to John Little, in the townland of Ardpatrick in the Parish of Donaghenry. Griffiths Valuation Record Information Tenant Family Name 1 FLEETIN Forename 1 JOHN Landlord Family Name 2 LITTLE Forename 2 JOHN Location County TYRONE Barony DUNGANNON, MIDDLE & UPPER Union COOKSTOWN Parish DONAGHENRY Townland ARDPATRICK Place Name ARDPATRICK Place Type TOWNLAND Publication Details Position on Page 24 Printing Date 1859 Act 15&16 Sheet Number 39 Map Reference 1 The online maps produced to go along with the Griffiths Valuation can be found here: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearc h Always a good help on finding a particular townland on the GV maps are the townland and parish maps at the Co Tyrone Ireland website. This is Donaghenry: http://www.cotyroneireland.com/townlands/images/DonaghenryDrumglassTullynisk an.pdf Unfortunately the online GV map does NOT correspond exactly with the GV. This is not unusual as the maps were produced about 20 years later. Plot 1 seems to have been subdivided and most of it is now called Plot 4. Worse still, house "d" is not marked. However, Ardpatrick is a very small townland and you could easily drive there and at least be in the area. It is about one mile west of the small village of Stewartstown, out the Sherrigrim Road. Normally the GV Revision Books which are also online at PRONI would be able to help you: http://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/Search.aspx Unfortunately they show that while he appears in Book A, 1860-1863, John Fleeting has totally vanished by the very beginning of Book B, 1864-1870 with no mention of him in the newly reorganized land holdings shown there. This means we cannot see who got his house to see if there were any more Fleetins. If you are really keen, you would need to search through all of the townlands in Book B to see if he moved somewhere nearby, which, unless he died, is very likely. As I am sure you know, there are no Fleenin/Fleetings in Templereagh or Roughan in the Parish of Donaghenry in the GV. Perhaps they were servants in the Earl of of Castlestuart's house? RootsIreland turned up no Fleeting baptisms or marriages between 1854 and 1874. I could see nothing interesting in Co Tyrone on FamilySearch for any Fleetings in any of Births, Marriages and Deaths. Just this: Elizabeth Fleet England and Wales Census, 1861 Name: Elizabeth Fleet County: Cheshire Event Type: Census Event Date: 1861 Sub-District: 3 Over Parish: Wharton Ecclesiastical Parish: Wharton Registration District: Northwich Age: 19 Gender: Female Relationship to Head of Household: Wife Birthplace: Tyrone Schedule Type: Household And GRONI, the official BMD website turned up precisely NO Fleetin or Fleeting (it is spelling sensitive) deaths between the start of Civil Registration in 1864 and 1903, when I gave up! Finally, there are NO Fleeting or Fleetings in Co Tyrone in the 1901 Census. In fact in the whole of the entire island of Ireland, the 1901 Census only has two Fleetins (in Co Down) and two Fleetings (Co Antrim). Sorry I could not be more helpful. Boyd http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of norman full via Sent: 08 June 2015 05:07 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] Location of Townlands, County Tyrone Good afternoon, I started researching the Fleeting family from County Tyrone some time ago. I have returned after being distracted by other parts of my family & would like to plan a visit the townlands mentioned in the material I have collected. I would appreciate help in locating the following townlands:- Ardpatrick ( John Fleeting, Griffith's Valuation); Templereagh (William Fleeting b. 1843, old family bible); Ruan, probably Roughan ( Mary Ann Fleeting b. ca 1855 , Passenger list on arrival in Australia). I would also like to learn which are the most useful maps & how to obtain them. Finally, how could I go about finding roughly where they lived. Thank you Norman Full, Australia ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/08/2015 07:09:06
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] Location of Townlands, County Tyrone
    2. Boyd Gray via
    3. Norman, I just spotted this on the CTI website, which is clearly your folks, emigrating I think (to Oz?): SURNAME First Name Age Married Single >14 Single <14 Calling Native Place County Country Parents' Names Parents' Residence Religion Read & Write Relations in the Colony FLEETING Eliza 18 x Housework Churchtown Tyrone Ireland John & Mary FLEETING Churchtown, Tyrone C of E Read Brother: James FLEETING: Bathurst FLEETING William 20 x Farm Laborer Stewartstown Tyrone Ireland John & Mary FLEETING Stewartstown, Tyrone C of E Both Brother: James FLEETING: Bathurst You can see it for yourself here: https://cse.google.com/cse/publicurl?cx=016257064390712314844:q5ic3ulcklw And I have copied this to Jim McKane who runs CTI, who may be able to tell you the origin of the database. Regards, Boyd http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of norman full via Sent: 08 June 2015 05:07 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] Location of Townlands, County Tyrone Good afternoon, I started researching the Fleeting family from County Tyrone some time ago. I have returned after being distracted by other parts of my family & would like to plan a visit the townlands mentioned in the material I have collected. I would appreciate help in locating the following townlands:- Ardpatrick ( John Fleeting, Griffith's Valuation); Templereagh (William Fleeting b. 1843, old family bible); Ruan, probably Roughan ( Mary Ann Fleeting b. ca 1855 , Passenger list on arrival in Australia). I would also like to learn which are the most useful maps & how to obtain them. Finally, how could I go about finding roughly where they lived. Thank you Norman Full, Australia ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/08/2015 07:16:21
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] Location of Townlands, County Tyrone
    2. ray15 via
    3. Hello Norman. Sadly I don't have much time these days to be able to give any decent reply to your posting, but I have faith that others from the list will do so for you, and admirably too. Meanwhile, off the top of my head, here are some thoughts: 1. You mention having information from Griffith's Valuation of Ireland.  Perhaps you were away from research at the relevant time and were not aware that the full valuation is now available FREE online.  Just google for it.   When you find your relevant families and townlands, that online service very wonderfully also provides a direct link to a MAP which accompanied the Griffith's Valuation, which shows not only the location of the relevant townland, but also the letters and numbers of each person's residence at the time on the townland. 2. Also, a wonderful FULL EXPLANATION of Griffiths, including how to read those letters and numbers and lots of other fascinating detail, is also available FREE online, courtesy of a southern genealogy society.   Being away from home I do not have the direct link handy; but google should find it for you also.  It is probably also detailed in Boyd GREY's wonderful free online guide to researching in Donegal (which applies to all of Ireland. 3.  The CTI website =-- that is: the website for this mailing list -- whose URL is given at the foot of every posting to this list; has Boyd GREY's booklet within it -- or at least a link to it --- or again google should find it for you. 4.  The CTI website also has MAPS of the county, parishes, and townlands -- although from memory some of them had to be removed a while back. Not sure now.   If you go to the List's archives and search there, you should find discussions about them last year sometime I think it was.  But also go to the MAPS section of the CTI web-site and see what you can find. Sorry for the vagueness of all of this, but I am away from home for an extended period, and just accessing this through webmail, rather than through my computer which has my resource lists attached to it. Oh, and BTW: one of the rootsweb lists for county Donegal -- named Donegaleire, is currently posting members' suggestions of useful web-sites. You might like to either follow those postings in the archives of that list at rootsweb; or perhaps subscribe to the list -- but you will still need to go to the archives online for those which have already been posted over the last 3 days or so since the list-owner kicked off that process. Hope some of this helps you. Good luck with it. ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "norman full" <nfull@bigpond.com> To:cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com [1] ... I sta- rted researching the Fleeting family from County Tyrone some time ago. I have returned after being distracted by other parts of my family & would like to plan a visit the townlands mentioned in the material I have collected. I would appreciate help in locating the following townlands:- Ardpatrick ( John Fleeting, Griffith's Valuation); Templereagh (William Fleeting b. 1843, old family bible); Ruan, probably Roughan ( Mary Ann Fleeting b. ca 1855 , Passenger list on arrival in Australia). I would also like to learn which are the most useful maps & how to obtain them. Finally, how could I go about finding roughly where they lived. Thank you Norman Full, Australia ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------- Email sent using Optus Webmail Links: ------ [1] mailto:cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com

    06/08/2015 03:20:47