Loretta, thanks. In a way you did answer my question, and I appreciate it. In other words, there is no rule of thumb for naming of the 3rd son if the name is the same as the Grandfather's name. No one has record of experiencing this. I just thought perhaps someone had experienced this situation in their own family and had a hint of what to look for. I wasn't looking for anything legally binding, and have no illusions that I will magically find an answer. I was just trying to determine if there was a rule of thumb for this type of instance. When you only find brick walls, even a little scrap could help. Thanks to all who tried, I appreciate it... Trudy Kyle Barbisan Portland, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: Loretta [mailto:lynneage@house-of-lynn.com] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:54 PM To: 'Trudy L Barbisan'; CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] naming practices My understanding is that there is no rule in such cases and different parents used different alternatives. After all, the custom you describe was only custom and not anything legally binding. In any event, there is the case of one William de Viteri Ponte, who shared his first name with both his father and his father-in-law, and therefore named three sons William (or Willelmus in the old language) - Willelmus primogenitus, Willelmus medius, and Willelmus junior (William the first, William the middle, and William the younger). Other parents simply named one son for both father and grandfather (or both grandfathers in some instances), and then named the third son after another relative or after no one at all. I would say I hope this helps, but there are simply too many possibilities. Again, the custom was not a requirement and some families didn't follow it at all. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trudy L Barbisan Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 21:36 To: CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] naming practices The problem is that rarely does my family have middle names, so it makes it more difficult to trace the Joseph Kyle name. I appreciate the information received, but my initial question has not been answered: If the father's name is the same as the grandfather's name (father's father) is there an alternate plan under the naming practice for naming the 3rd son (who would normally be named after the father). You wouldn't have two children with the same first and no middle name unless one died. And what if the father, his father and the mother's father were all named Joseph (no middle name)...was there an alternative plan for the naming practice then? Would the parents pick up with the oldest brother's names who would normally be 4th and 5th in line? Does anyone know for sure...for instance did this happen in your family? -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Loretta Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 3:43 PM To: Soopy46@aol.com; CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] naming practices Using a mother's or grandmother's maiden name for a child's middle name is not at all unusual in Scotland or the U.S. I've seen it many times in both places. Unfortunately, my Lynns only lived in Ireland a century and a half, and I haven't much genealogical experience there. -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Soopy46@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 16:17 To: CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] naming practices ... Something else I meant to point out. It could "just" be my lines ... But in my search one of William's sisters "Isabella Armstrong" had married a William Wright....yes "Wright". Further search found they had a Daughter ... you guessed it...Jessie Wright! ... ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message