Searching for grandmothers and the like is a wonderful merry-go-round, isn't it? But it's weird ! It defies logic. On LDS BMD you put in your grandfather's name and date of birth and place of birth and it gives your grandfather's birth date and place of birth and dates . but it doesn't tell you who he married. If you sign on for the paid searches, you have to tell them names and places and guess at the dates, before it will tell you the names and places and confirm the dates If you send into Proni or Dublin then the form has to be filled in with the names and the places before they can tell you the names and the places. At least with LDS if you can search through all of it over and over and maybe you can guess at the possible connections but that is using up my old age. Maybe I'll meet them first and ask them - unless someone has a beter idea . . . Pat