If I could add some comments. A number of years ago I sent for some certs from the GRO in Belfast and I am almost certain I used index numbers to do so which I had obtained in Dublin on an earlier visit. However I didn’t order any marriage certs, mostly death certificates which cost £7 sterling each at the time. These were expensive because they are official certificates which are not necessary for family history purposes, to the best of my knowledge you cant order cheaper photo copies from Belfast. It was less expensive to order from Dublin. There have been some changes to GRO Ireland over the past few years. Firstly the GRO has moved from Joyce House in Dublin to Convent Road, Roscommon. The GRO still retains a Research Facility in Dublin, which is now situated at The Irish Life Centre, Lower Abbey Street. You can supply index numbers and order photo copies from there but you have to do so on a personal visit, you can't order photo copies from there by post, at least that is what I have been told. However they will post from there if you happen to be on a visit and they cant supply the copies at the time. You can order photo copies by post using the LDS numbers from The General Register Office, Government Offices, Convent Road, Roscommon, Co. Roscommon. The cost is 4 Euro each with index numbers supplied. This is not made clear on their website, also they don’t have suitable forms to print out on their website. I have been told they will accept orders for photo copies on a sheet of paper, but I thought it better to design one on the computer similar to what was supplied on my last visit to Dublin, print it out and fill in the details required by hand. To order using index numbers they would require the following information, the Event, ie Birth, Death or marriage, the name of the person for which the details are required, the Registration District, the Year, the Quarter if there is one, the Volume No, the Page No and finally the Applicants Details, name and address of the person applying. Do not supply Film No, DigitalGS No or Image No that appear on the LDS site, they are likely meaningless to anyone other than the LDS. Ordering copies this way can be a bit of a lottery at times, you don’t always get the cert copy you were expecting especially if the name is common. Even if its less common there could be say two people born in the same district around the same time that might fit, you mightn’t know which one is yours and decide to order both but even then there are no guarantees. You can get some wonderful surprises too, but just thought I would mention the downside. Lena, unless you are looking for information from Armagh or the other counties of Northern Ireland, (Tyrone, Fermanagh, Derry/Londonderry, Antrim or Down) after 1921 all should be available from Roscommon. But you wont get Northern Ireland records from 1922 there. There may well be a problem with districts which are based on poor law unions in border counties though. For instance, I am researching families around the St. Johnston area of Donegal. Most of these events would have been recorded in either Strabane or Londonderry district. I seem to have difficulty with some marriages that should be there. But I am not complaining, teething problems I guess. If interested the website for GRO Ireland follows, they list themselves as Office of the Registrar General in the phonebook under Civil Registration Service. There are some things there that badly need updating. http://www.groireland.ie/ Hope I haven’t confused things further. Bernie -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lena Reid Sent: 09 March 2009 12:40 To: 'COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb' Subject: [CoTyIre] Ireland Civil registration-LDS reference numbers Further to the recent discussion (February list messages) on the LDS reference numbers. I said that I would try to find out more about the details on the LDS Pilot site and if records could be ordered using the page and volume number. I was in Dublin last week and went into the Irish Life centre and completed the form for a marriage and death record using the Volume and page number and district that I picked up on the LDS pilot site. Within 10 minutes I had the copies in my hand. I had no idea of the Church where the marriage took place, just knew from LDS that the district was Dublin South. I also asked the genealogist in the National Archives who held the original registers and according to her the original volumes were divided between the North and the South, according to what was defined as North and south. However because of earlier divisions it may not be a "clean Cut" relating to today's borders and this would be why my family on the Armagh Border may be in Dublin and not Ireland. Hope this helps any of you applying for records. Lena Reid Belfast ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message