Hello Joy. Thanks for this nice response. So glad that it is helpful. Teena has answered your question about the list archives, but one clue is when you get to the rootsweb options for "International" lists, for County Tyrone, we need to look under "Northern Ireland" (its current political name) and not simply under "Ireland" which covers only the 'south' / Republic / Eire / etc. Now, on to your request for book suggestions. Almost 4 years ago (short by 2 days! ha ha) Teena posted this link: http://www.libraryireland.com/History.php My understanding is that they are all digitised out-of-copyright works, which you can simply read freely online. Also, here is a link to Pat Connors' web-site, to the specific page with Irish History books detailed on it. http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/books/HistoryBooks.htm The site also mentions a specific List which one can join or read in the archives of, for discussions about such books. Also, there is a short listing of Tyrone-related books on the Tyrone List's community web-site, under "Research Resources: Books ... " here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/ And don't forget google and/or wikipedia. For example in google I typed in: "orange order" wikipedia And obtained several hits. Similarly in google I typed in: catholic protestant ireland This gave me lots of hits, the very first one of which MIGHT attempt to answer some of your questions. But please remember Joy that a lot of what you read will be very partisan -- that is providing a one-sided perspective; and without having local knowledge on who might be more balanced than others, it will be difficult for a lot of us to discern the one from the other. Specifically regarding your Dave HOGG family's departure from Tyrone, you may be aware that in migration theory, there are USUALLY TWO separate factors at work: one lot comprises the PUSH factors -- that is, whatever is occurring locally to impel one to leave the local area; and the other lot comprises the PULL factors: what situations in the new land are a drawcard. So if you look at the time-period when Dave HOGG migrated; and then look at the local situations around that time in both countries, you might hopefully glean some insights. Hoping that these might help you some more. Cheers: ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Hogg" <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> > Dear Ray and list members, > What a great response to Candace and to folks like me. ... ... I immerse myself in the history and geography and then the social history of an area before I write. > > So I have some questions about sources. ... > > Secondly, are there any books or web site which would capture the > feelings, concerns, history of this area from the early 1800's through the > early 1900's? I particularly need to understand that sore point - the > Orangemen Protestants and why Dave Hogg's family left Tyrone. I need to > understand whether it was economic, socio-economic or whatever the reasons > wee for whole families to leave. > > Any ideas on reading material before I start into this side of the family? > Trees are dry - who begat whom doesn't interest our young. I need to > research the stories. > > Joy Hogg, Cadillac Michigan USA