Re Adopt a Graveyard Maybe people could take on what a lot of Genealogical and Historical societies have and are doing here in Australia. During the cooler months a small band of devoted members will select a cemetery in their particular area and will systematically work their way across the cemetery mapping and photographing everything and using a copy of the caretakers records collate the two so each society have a hard record of every cemetery that falls within their district. These records are available to anyone who wishes to use them, with a lot making their way on line. What saddened me when I was visiting Britain and Ireland in 2007 the number of graveyards that had been overrun with creepers and trees. Apparently that can't be touched because the animals need somewhere to live. Ummm.? Ruth --- On Sun, 20/12/09, cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com <cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com <cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 250 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Received: Sunday, 20 December, 2009, 7:00 PM You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or if you wish to search or browse the archives, or if you wish to unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links and instructions. See http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/ for our associated web site. Today's Topics: 1. Adopt a graveyard! (Dave Hall) 2. Re: List Site (Claire Agthe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:00:24 +0000 From: Dave Hall <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> Subject: [CoTyIre] Adopt a graveyard! To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4B2CC058.80407@utvinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well I recently visited graveyards in Co Monaghan doing research for someone. I met a few people walking around a graveyard looking for their relatives, they were complaining about the lack of information available online for graveyards. During the course of the conversation I asked which g/yards they visited and if they had taken many pictures. They had visited 4 graveyards but taken no photos. With the advent of digital cameras it wouldn't take much to photograph all the g/stones as people go around in their search, then post them on line. They were walking past them anyway. Many cemeteries only have 30 or 40 g/stones. If only 20 people visiting g/yards in Tyrone this year did this then we'd have a lot more information than we do now! So if you're visiting a graveyard this year why not "Adopt a graveyard"? On 19/12/2009 07:05, Ray wrote: > Hello John. I saw your reference below to Derryloran, and in case you > weren't aware of them, am posting a link to the transcribed Derryloran > Parish BDM records from Saint Luran's church there. > > Here is the link: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/churchrecord/saintluran.html > > Again, these were all transcribed by a small number of wonderfully giving > listers on here; and as you can see in the links given, were made possible > because the church has placed scanned copies of its registers online freely > available for all to view. Oh that more parishes would do the same! Maybe > that should be our wish for the New Year? haha. > > Regards: ray in oz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Collins"<jmacollins@gmail.com> > > I have a connection to a Rodgers family in Cookstown. Wondering if others > might also be connected. > > George Rodgers born 1789/1790, died 21 Sep 1847, married Rachel > Collins born 23 Aug 1798 Dublin, died 24 Mar 1818 Cookstown possibly in > first childbirth. Married 31 Dec 1816 at Cookstown. No children known. Both > were buried in Derryloran Cemetery. ... > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! 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That's the reason why there are no records here, most of the committees here comprise of people who know or can find out their history and as a result nothing gets done! The few churches that have actually allowed their records to be copied or have copied them themselves are few and far between because the will is not there! It's fellow researchers rather than Genealogical and Historical societies that who need to do something so I can't understand why so many people visit all these graveyards and just walk away with no pictures! With digital cameras these days it could be achieved with very little effort by individuals. Saint Luran's church have to be commended! On 20/12/2009 11:33, Ruth Murdoch wrote: > Re Adopt a Graveyard > Maybe people could take on what a lot of Genealogical and Historical societies have and are doing here in Australia. During the cooler months a small band of devoted members will select a cemetery in their particular area and will systematically work their way across the cemetery mapping and photographing everything and using a copy of the caretakers records collate the two so each society have a hard record of every cemetery that falls within their district. These records are available to anyone who wishes to use them, with a lot making their way on line. > What saddened me when I was visiting Britain and Ireland in 2007 the number of graveyards that had been overrun with creepers and trees. Apparently that can't be touched because the animals need somewhere to live. Ummm.? > Ruth > > --- On Sun, 20/12/09, cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com<cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > From: cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com<cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com> > Subject: COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 250 > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Received: Sunday, 20 December, 2009, 7:00 PM > > > > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or if you wish to search or browse the archives, or if you wish to unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links and instructions. See http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland/ for our associated web site. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Adopt a graveyard! (Dave Hall) > 2. Re: List Site (Claire Agthe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:00:24 +0000 > From: Dave Hall<hallmark1@utvinternet.com> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Adopt a graveyard! > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<4B2CC058.80407@utvinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Well I recently visited graveyards in Co Monaghan doing research for > someone. I met a few people walking around a graveyard looking for their > relatives, they were complaining about the lack of information available > online for graveyards. > > During the course of the conversation I asked which g/yards they visited > and if they had taken many pictures. They had visited 4 graveyards but > taken no photos. With the advent of digital cameras it wouldn't take > much to photograph all the g/stones as people go around in their search, > then post them on line. They were walking past them anyway. > > Many cemeteries only have 30 or 40 g/stones. If only 20 people visiting > g/yards in Tyrone this year did this then we'd have a lot more > information than we do now! So if you're visiting a graveyard this year > why not "Adopt a graveyard"? > > > > On 19/12/2009 07:05, Ray wrote: > >> Hello John. I saw your reference below to Derryloran, and in case you >> weren't aware of them, am posting a link to the transcribed Derryloran >> Parish BDM records from Saint Luran's church there. >> >> Here is the link: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/churchrecord/saintluran.html >> >> Again, these were all transcribed by a small number of wonderfully giving >> listers on here; and as you can see in the links given, were made possible >> because the church has placed scanned copies of its registers online freely >> available for all to view. Oh that more parishes would do the same! Maybe >> that should be our wish for the New Year? haha. >> >> Regards: ray in oz >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John M. Collins"<jmacollins@gmail.com> >> >> I have a connection to a Rodgers family in Cookstown. Wondering if others >> might also be connected. >> >> George Rodgers born 1789/1790, died 21 Sep 1847, married Rachel >> Collins born 23 Aug 1798 Dublin, died 24 Mar 1818 Cookstown possibly in >> first childbirth. Married 31 Dec 1816 at Cookstown. No children known. Both >> were buried in Derryloran Cemetery. ... >> >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> avast! 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Hello Ruth. I have just read Dave's reply to this suggestion from you, and much of what he writes fits with my limited experience in Ireland. My experience from over 30 years ago in visiting there, was that GENERALLY most Irish were not interested in their own family history or in history at any deep level. They were happy and comfortable in just living their daily lives. I found it so frustrating when I visited the areas where 'my' people had come from, to find very little knowledge even within the same family. grrrr...... Now of course my generalisation above, will be unfair to that minority of committed people who do become involved; but it seems to me that they are a minority. AND in case that might sound judgemental, even here in Oz, only a VERY SMALL minority of people become involved in local history societies, etc. Most of them struggle for memberships, funds, etc. Ruth, you write about the cemetery transcription work which you are familiar with here in oz. I am familiar with SOME of it, but again in my experience MOST of that is NOT shared freely. Usually one has to be a member of one of the transcribing societies to obtain access to the information; or to purchase books, CDs, etc. I don't begrudge that, as that is one small way for the groups to raise some meagre funds. I am rather, merely stating that my own experience is that such 'knowledge' is not "FREELY" shared. The wonderful work by the cemetery group in the Hawkesbury area of NSW is an exception, where they place their work freely on the internet; and we have places like the huge Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney now placing their own church burial indexes freely available online. So there is hope for the future. However, I am digressing. What I had intended to write, was that Dave HALL's suggestion seemed eminently sensible and relatively 'easy', given especially that he mentions cemeteries with only a small number of headstones. It doesn't require any groups or any organisation; just individuals taking a few extra headstoen photos during their visits. If just a few people took up his suggestion whenever they visited a small cemetery, and then provided the photos taken to this list's community web-site; then piecemeal, coverage might eventually be expanded. Thanks for the suggestion Dave. Sorry for rambling on. Ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Murdoch" <ruthamurdoch@yahoo.com.au> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 250 > Re Adopt a Graveyard > Maybe people could take on what a lot of Genealogical and Historical > societies have and are doing here in Australia. During the cooler months a > small band of devoted members will select a cemetery in their particular > area and will systematically work their way across the cemetery mapping > and photographing everything and using a copy of the caretakers records > collate the two so each society have a hard record of every cemetery that > falls within their district. These records are available to anyone who > wishes to use them, with a lot making their way on line. ...
If I ever get to Ireland I would do it. I have found the BDM records on line for NSW brilliant. We have some good cemetery records on line in NZ especially at a place called Thames where all the early gold mining took place. The historical society and the district council worked together and produced this wonderful online facility where it gives you full name, age, date if death, funeral director, and native of ........ where ever (Ireland,Cornwall) Then it has a grid showing where the grave is, then a google earth map with the grid placed over it It is part of the Thames District Council site and covers the 2 oldest cemeteries and the one still in use Patricia New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:48 AM To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Adopt a graveyard Ruth & Dave & ?? Hello Ruth. I have just read Dave's reply to this suggestion from you, and much of what he writes fits with my limited experience in Ireland. My experience from over 30 years ago in visiting there, was that GENERALLY most Irish were not interested in their own family history or in history at any deep level. They were happy and comfortable in just living their daily lives. I found it so frustrating when I visited the areas where 'my' people had come from, to find very little knowledge even within the same family. grrrr...... Now of course my generalisation above, will be unfair to that minority of committed people who do become involved; but it seems to me that they are a minority. AND in case that might sound judgemental, even here in Oz, only a VERY SMALL minority of people become involved in local history societies, etc. Most of them struggle for memberships, funds, etc. Ruth, you write about the cemetery transcription work which you are familiar with here in oz. I am familiar with SOME of it, but again in my experience MOST of that is NOT shared freely. Usually one has to be a member of one of the transcribing societies to obtain access to the information; or to purchase books, CDs, etc. I don't begrudge that, as that is one small way for the groups to raise some meagre funds. I am rather, merely stating that my own experience is that such 'knowledge' is not "FREELY" shared. The wonderful work by the cemetery group in the Hawkesbury area of NSW is an exception, where they place their work freely on the internet; and we have places like the huge Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney now placing their own church burial indexes freely available online. So there is hope for the future. However, I am digressing. What I had intended to write, was that Dave HALL's suggestion seemed eminently sensible and relatively 'easy', given especially that he mentions cemeteries with only a small number of headstones. It doesn't require any groups or any organisation; just individuals taking a few extra headstoen photos during their visits. If just a few people took up his suggestion whenever they visited a small cemetery, and then provided the photos taken to this list's community web-site; then piecemeal, coverage might eventually be expanded. Thanks for the suggestion Dave. Sorry for rambling on. Ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Murdoch" <ruthamurdoch@yahoo.com.au> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 250 > Re Adopt a Graveyard > Maybe people could take on what a lot of Genealogical and Historical > societies have and are doing here in Australia. During the cooler months a > small band of devoted members will select a cemetery in their particular > area and will systematically work their way across the cemetery mapping > and photographing everything and using a copy of the caretakers records > collate the two so each society have a hard record of every cemetery that > falls within their district. These records are available to anyone who > wishes to use them, with a lot making their way on line. ... ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message