Pretty much!!!! On Thursday, January 29, 2009, at 02:43PM, "David Hall" <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> wrote: >/" A number of reasons. Just a few to start - It wasn't unusual - The >Irish and Scottish had been cross migrating for centuries. One can see >Scotland from Giant's Causeway. The economy was horrendous. " >/ >So you are saying nothing has changed!!/ > > > >/John C. Hall wrote: >> Good morning; >> >> If you have any surnames like Jones, Davies or Rees, chances are that you >> have Welsh, Protestant ties. >> >> John C. Hall, Petaluma, California >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> >> To: "Mary LaValley" <marylongstreth@mac.com>; <amroche1@aol.com> >> Cc: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com>; <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >> >> >> >>> To be fair it should be mentioned that when Catholics were in power in >>> Scotland, they persecuted non-Catholics, causing many to go to N. Ireland >>> so they would not have to sign a declaration of faith for the Catholic >>> religion. I was reading online last week about the Agnews of Wigtown on >>> the southern coast of Scotland. The Agnews had been hereditary Sheriffs >>> there for several generations. When Sir Andrew Agnew was the Sheriff he >>> was scolded by the government for not enforcing the rule requiring all >>> subjects to sign the declaration and finally removed as Sheriff and >>> Catholic Highland soldiers were sent to enforce the rule. To avoid having >>> to sign the declaration, Sir Andrew went to his N. Ireland lands for a >>> good while as did several other protestants from Southern Scotland. As I >>> see it, a lot of the religious persecution was done for political purposes >>> by all sides, the Protestants, Catholics and Church of England which I >>> think is a shame since all 3 are Christians in basic b! >>> eliefs. >>> >>> In my Kincaid family, they left Scotland for Ulster after the Uprising of >>> 1688 since they were on the losing side. They then came to the then >>> Colonies in mid 1700's. My father told me we were Scots-Irish-Welsh but I >>> have never found the Welsh connection. Also have not found Joseph >>> Kincaid's parents in Ulster. His name was spelled Kinkead on some early >>> documents in the Colony of Virginia. >>> >>> Don W. Kincaid >>> Texas, USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Mary LaValley >>> To: amroche1@aol.com >>> Cc: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com ; joyhogghwh@yahoo.com >>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:40 AM >>> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >>> >>> >>> A number of reasons. Just a few to start - It wasn't unusual - The Irish >>> and Scottish had been cross migrating for centuries. One can see Scotland >>> from Giant's Causeway. The economy was horrendous. The English >>> historically persecuted Scottish Catholics ( not sure of the McClelland >>> religion) so many left. The English were still recruiting Lowland Scots >>> ( not Catholics) to settle in Ireland in order to eliminate Catholicism >>> and native Irish culture. This overlaps with the English effort to settle >>> the migration of Protestants escaping wars on the European continent and >>> to settle the US colonies. Hope this helps. >>> Mary >>> On Thursday, January 29, 2009, at 09:13AM, <amroche1@aol.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hello all! I am also interested in why Scots would leave Scotland for >>> Ireland in the mid to late 1700s. My McClellands (2 brothers) left >>> Scotland for Co Tyrone about 1760. When replying to Joy, please "reply to >>> all." >>> >Thanks! >>> >Alice >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Joy Hogg <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> >>> >To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> >Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 5:32 am >>> >Subject: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Dear folks, I'd like to thank the volunteers who have been transcribing >>> and >>> >entering thousands of names and dates for historical purposes. What a >>> wonderful >>> >generous way to spend time. >>> >Also, I am catching bits of great advice, especially about ages. Do you >>> think a >>> >disregard to exact age was common all over the place? I have a British >>> person in >>> >Canada whose age seemed to have declined about 12 years upon remarriage >>> >after?losing the first wife. >>> >?Could you walk me through the instructions for accessing the new >>> information? >>> >Is this at the LDS site or somewhere else? >>> >Also, I continue to need any assistance for Bayne, Hogg and Farrell.I >>> can >>> >picture a young James Hogg walking to Tyrone County from Scotland, and >>> >eventually marrying a Sarah McKee in the late 1700's. From historical >>> >conjecture, put your thinking caps on for me. Why would Scots leave >>> Scotland at >>> >that time? How would he have been received by the people in the area? >>> Would a >>> >single man have traveled alone or always with a group of relatives? Did >>> the >>> >Scots retain their "Scots" demeanor and speech, or assimilate? >>> >As a Canadian in the US, I will help re: history on this side of the >>> pond... >>> >Joy Hogg >>> > >>> >------------- >>> >Our community web-site: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >------------------------------- >>> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com >>> >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of >>> >the message >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >------------- >>> >Our community web-site: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >>> > >>> > >>> >------------------------------- >>> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> > >>> >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> avast! 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