Shirley, thanks for sharing all of the information with the list. I have a thought relating to the headstone inscription and his wife "Mary (sic)". JUST PERHAPS, that might have been inscribed at Marg --- followed by a small "t" to the right of the "g" and above it -- which is sometimes called a "superscript" (contrasted with a 'subscript' where it it written slightly below the line). We all make mistakes when transcribing, and if the stone is a little aged, then the printing/writing/incisions might not be so clearly visible. What I am getting at therefore, is that the inscription might have read that his wife was in fact Margt. and not Mary. The "sic" seems like it has been sent to you by the transcriber, or by someone who has copied the transcription for you (perhaps from a published work), so maybe they are thereby merely pointing out that their transcription (or their interpretation of it) gives the wife's name as Mary, where you might have informed them that the wife was Margaret. Hope that this is not 'clear as mud". ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.Harper" <teran81gan@bigpond.com> Yesterday I asked the list about buying credits from the NIdirect website. I had two helpful replies, one from Ally and the other from List Admin. Clare who has suggested I share the transcription I hav e now found with this list. This reads: Robert Lucas, Lisnamonaghan, d. 2 March, 1868, male, farmer, married aged 83, cause of death old age. David Pritchard present at death, Glenadush. This same Robert Lucas is buried at St. Michael's, Castlecaulfield, Donaghmore with somewhat different information from the church register, which I received from another source which read: Robert Lucas d. 4 March, 1867, Lisnamonaghan, aged 82. I thought there was a bit of a coincidence here and there could have been a mix-up. There is also a headstone showing his name and townland, aged 82, but showing no actual date of death. The headstone reads: "Sacred to the memory of Robert Lucas of Lisnamonaghan Aged 82 And his affectionate wife Mary (sic) Lucas Aged 65 years Also James Lucas aged 6 years and 10 months Charles Lucas died July 5th 1908 Aged 86 years Also his daughters Ellen aged 23 years Eliza Ann aged 35 years Also his wife Mary Jane died Nov 29th 1911 aged 80 years." I also searched the civil registration for another Robert Lucas dying in 1867 aged 82, but none exists, so there is only one, as I suspected. I know Charles Lucas was his son and I think the headstone must have been erected after the death of Charles and the descendants simply got it wrong and it's just a case of a bad memory so many years later. I'm now on the search for Robert's wife Mary (sic) !! who I believe was actually Margaret Dickson, his first wife, which could explain the word (sic) on the headstone. Robert later married Ruth Pritchard in 1856. Anyone else out there descended from this family? Thanks again to Clare and Ally for being helpful. This is a great list. Shirley Sydney, Australia. ------------------------- Email sent using Optus Webmail
Ditto! Sent from my iPad > On 13 Jun 2015, at 7:27 pm, ray15 via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Shirley, thanks for sharing all of the information with the list. > > I have a thought relating to the headstone inscription and his wife > "Mary (sic)". > > JUST PERHAPS, that might have been inscribed at Marg --- followed by a > small "t" to the right of the "g" and above it -- which is sometimes > called a "superscript" (contrasted with a 'subscript' where it it > written slightly below the line). > We all make mistakes when transcribing, and if the stone is a little > aged, then the printing/writing/incisions might not be so clearly > visible. > > What I am getting at therefore, is that the inscription might have > read that his wife was in fact Margt. and not Mary. > The "sic" seems like it has been sent to you by the transcriber, or by > someone who has copied the transcription for you (perhaps from a > published work), so maybe they are thereby merely pointing out that > their transcription (or their interpretation of it) gives the wife's > name as Mary, where you might have informed them that the wife was > Margaret. > > Hope that this is not 'clear as mud". > ray in oz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S.Harper" <teran81gan@bigpond.com> > > Yesterday I asked the list about buying credits from the NIdirect > website. > I had two helpful replies, one from Ally and the other from List > Admin. > Clare who has suggested I share the transcription I hav e now found > with > this list. This reads: > > Robert Lucas, Lisnamonaghan, d. 2 March, 1868, male, farmer, married > aged > 83, cause of death old age. David Pritchard present at death, > Glenadush. > > This same Robert Lucas is buried at St. Michael's, Castlecaulfield, > Donaghmore with somewhat different information from the church > register, > which I received from another source which read: > > Robert Lucas d. 4 March, 1867, Lisnamonaghan, aged 82. I thought > there was > a bit of a coincidence here and there could have been a mix-up. > > There is also a headstone showing his name and townland, aged 82, but > showing no actual date of death. The headstone reads: > > "Sacred to the memory of Robert Lucas of Lisnamonaghan Aged 82 And > his > affectionate wife Mary (sic) Lucas Aged 65 years Also James Lucas > aged 6 > years and 10 months Charles Lucas died July 5th 1908 Aged 86 years > Also his > daughters Ellen aged 23 years Eliza Ann aged 35 years Also his wife > Mary > Jane died Nov 29th 1911 aged 80 years." > > I also searched the civil registration for another Robert Lucas dying > in > 1867 aged 82, but none exists, so there is only one, as I suspected. > I know > Charles Lucas was his son and I think the headstone must have been > erected > after the death of Charles and the descendants simply got it wrong > and it's > just a case of a bad memory so many years later. I'm now on the > search for > Robert's wife Mary (sic) !! who I believe was actually Margaret > Dickson, his > first wife, which could explain the word (sic) on the headstone. > Robert > later married Ruth Pritchard in 1856. > > Anyone else out there descended from this family? > > Thanks again to Clare and Ally for being helpful. This is a great > list. > > Shirley > > Sydney, Australia. > > ------------------------- > Email sent using Optus Webmail > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Yesterday I asked the list about buying credits from the NIdirect website. I had two helpful replies, one from Ally and the other from List Admin. Clare who has suggested I share the transcription I hav e now found with this list. This reads: Robert Lucas, Lisnamonaghan, d. 2 March, 1868, male, farmer, married aged 83, cause of death old age. David Pritchard present at death, Glenadush. This same Robert Lucas is buried at St. Michael's, Castlecaulfield, Donaghmore with somewhat different information from the church register, which I received from another source which read: Robert Lucas d. 4 March, 1867, Lisnamonaghan, aged 82. I thought there was a bit of a coincidence here and there could have been a mix-up. There is also a headstone showing his name and townland, aged 82, but showing no actual date of death. The headstone reads: "Sacred to the memory of Robert Lucas of Lisnamonaghan Aged 82 And his affectionate wife Mary (sic) Lucas Aged 65 years Also James Lucas aged 6 years and 10 months Charles Lucas died July 5th 1908 Aged 86 years Also his daughters Ellen aged 23 years Eliza Ann aged 35 years Also his wife Mary Jane died Nov 29th 1911 aged 80 years." I also searched the civil registration for another Robert Lucas dying in 1867 aged 82, but none exists, so there is only one, as I suspected. I know Charles Lucas was his son and I think the headstone must have been erected after the death of Charles and the descendants simply got it wrong and it's just a case of a bad memory so many years later. I'm now on the search for Robert's wife Mary (sic) !! who I believe was actually Margaret Dickson, his first wife, which could explain the word (sic) on the headstone. Robert later married Ruth Pritchard in 1856. Anyone else out there descended from this family? Thanks again to Clare and Ally for being helpful. This is a great list. Shirley Sydney, Australia. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Hello Clare, I discovered there is only one Robert Lucas after all! The second one is from a grave transcription and the grave was erected many years later, so I think his son forgot the actual year his father died. Good result! I can now make some progress! Thanks again. Shirley From: TyroneIre [mailto:TyroneIre@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 1:15 PM To: S.Harper Cc: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Robert LUCAS 5 credits fir each "full" view which is what you want. So figure out if there are any others you want to check. Personally I always buy in multiples of 5 credits plus 1 so that I have that one credit on the account to be able to view the search results. Let us know how you get on. ~Clare L CTI Ass't Admin On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:51 PM, S.Harper via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: I'm hoping someone one this list can help me. I want to view the death certificates of two men named Robert Lucas. I have now registered with NIdirect website and understand I need to buy 'credits' to see these certificates. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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I'm hoping someone one this list can help me. I want to view the death certificates of two men named Robert Lucas. I have now registered with NIdirect website and understand I need to buy 'credits' to see these certificates. However the website is not clear about how many credits I would need to see a certificate. The maximum one can buy is 200. Can someone please tell me how many I would need to purchase? Details are of two men of the same name and I need to distinguish which is which. Robert Lucas died 4 March 1867 aged 82 and Robert Lucas died 2 March 1868 aged 83 My source says they were both from Lisnamonaghan. As there is a similarity in both the day of death and the date, one year later, also the age is one year later in the second one and both being from the same townland I am wondering if he is in fact the same person and there has been a mix-up somehow. Could someone please tell me how many credits I need to buy. Many thanks, Shirley, Sydney, Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
5 credits fir each "full" view which is what you want. So figure out if there are any others you want to check. Personally I always buy in multiples of 5 credits plus 1 so that I have that one credit on the account to be able to view the search results. Let us know how you get on. ~Clare L CTI Ass't Admin > On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:51 PM, S.Harper via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I'm hoping someone one this list can help me. I want to view the death > certificates of two men named Robert Lucas. I have now registered with > NIdirect website and understand I need to buy 'credits' to see these > certificates. > > > > However the website is not clear about how many credits I would need to see > a certificate. The maximum one can buy is 200. Can someone please tell me > how many I would need to purchase? > > > > Details are of two men of the same name and I need to distinguish which is > which. > > > > Robert Lucas died 4 March 1867 aged 82 and > > Robert Lucas died 2 March 1868 aged 83 > > > > My source says they were both from Lisnamonaghan. As there is a similarity > in both the day of death and the date, one year later, also the age is one > year later in the second one and both being from the same townland I am > wondering if he is in fact the same person and there has been a mix-up > somehow. > > > > Could someone please tell me how many credits I need to buy. > > > > Many thanks, > > Shirley, > > Sydney, Australia > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
What an incredible journey of a lifetime!! You must feel so fulfilled in every way! Cheers!! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Edward & Jane Cobean via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I thought the List would like to know, that any visitor ,at least from > Canada, can rent a car for the Republic and Northern Ireland if you are > over 70, at the Dublin airport. > > We just returned from a wonderful and successful ancestry searching 2 week > trip to Galway ,Westport, Co. Tyrone, Belfast and Dublin on May 30th. Drove > 1700kms. with no problem except getting used to right hand driving. With > much help from our list people, local Historians and Clergy we were able to > find to find an 1820 ancestral house and farm land in Townland Skey, > distant relations in Carrickmore and Church records in Aughnacloy and > Ballygawaley Presbyterian Churches from > > 1818. Everyone we had contact with were very pleased to help our search, > which we appreciated very much. > > > > Edward Cobean > > Ontario Canada > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I thought the List would like to know, that any visitor ,at least from Canada, can rent a car for the Republic and Northern Ireland if you are over 70, at the Dublin airport. We just returned from a wonderful and successful ancestry searching 2 week trip to Galway ,Westport, Co. Tyrone, Belfast and Dublin on May 30th. Drove 1700kms. with no problem except getting used to right hand driving. With much help from our list people, local Historians and Clergy we were able to find to find an 1820 ancestral house and farm land in Townland Skey, distant relations in Carrickmore and Church records in Aughnacloy and Ballygawaley Presbyterian Churches from 1818. Everyone we had contact with were very pleased to help our search, which we appreciated very much. Edward Cobean Ontario Canada
Hello Norman. Sadly I don't have much time these days to be able to give any decent reply to your posting, but I have faith that others from the list will do so for you, and admirably too. Meanwhile, off the top of my head, here are some thoughts: 1. You mention having information from Griffith's Valuation of Ireland. Perhaps you were away from research at the relevant time and were not aware that the full valuation is now available FREE online. Just google for it. When you find your relevant families and townlands, that online service very wonderfully also provides a direct link to a MAP which accompanied the Griffith's Valuation, which shows not only the location of the relevant townland, but also the letters and numbers of each person's residence at the time on the townland. 2. Also, a wonderful FULL EXPLANATION of Griffiths, including how to read those letters and numbers and lots of other fascinating detail, is also available FREE online, courtesy of a southern genealogy society. Being away from home I do not have the direct link handy; but google should find it for you also. It is probably also detailed in Boyd GREY's wonderful free online guide to researching in Donegal (which applies to all of Ireland. 3. The CTI website =-- that is: the website for this mailing list -- whose URL is given at the foot of every posting to this list; has Boyd GREY's booklet within it -- or at least a link to it --- or again google should find it for you. 4. The CTI website also has MAPS of the county, parishes, and townlands -- although from memory some of them had to be removed a while back. Not sure now. If you go to the List's archives and search there, you should find discussions about them last year sometime I think it was. But also go to the MAPS section of the CTI web-site and see what you can find. Sorry for the vagueness of all of this, but I am away from home for an extended period, and just accessing this through webmail, rather than through my computer which has my resource lists attached to it. Oh, and BTW: one of the rootsweb lists for county Donegal -- named Donegaleire, is currently posting members' suggestions of useful web-sites. You might like to either follow those postings in the archives of that list at rootsweb; or perhaps subscribe to the list -- but you will still need to go to the archives online for those which have already been posted over the last 3 days or so since the list-owner kicked off that process. Hope some of this helps you. Good luck with it. ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "norman full" <nfull@bigpond.com> To:cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com [1] ... I sta- rted researching the Fleeting family from County Tyrone some time ago. I have returned after being distracted by other parts of my family & would like to plan a visit the townlands mentioned in the material I have collected. I would appreciate help in locating the following townlands:- Ardpatrick ( John Fleeting, Griffith's Valuation); Templereagh (William Fleeting b. 1843, old family bible); Ruan, probably Roughan ( Mary Ann Fleeting b. ca 1855 , Passenger list on arrival in Australia). I would also like to learn which are the most useful maps & how to obtain them. Finally, how could I go about finding roughly where they lived. Thank you Norman Full, Australia ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------- Email sent using Optus Webmail Links: ------ [1] mailto:cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com
Good afternoon, I started researching the Fleeting family from County Tyrone some time ago. I have returned after being distracted by other parts of my family & would like to plan a visit the townlands mentioned in the material I have collected. I would appreciate help in locating the following townlands:- Ardpatrick ( John Fleeting, Griffith's Valuation); Templereagh (William Fleeting b. 1843, old family bible); Ruan, probably Roughan ( Mary Ann Fleeting b. ca 1855 , Passenger list on arrival in Australia). I would also like to learn which are the most useful maps & how to obtain them. Finally, how could I go about finding roughly where they lived. Thank you Norman Full, Australia
Tee hee............ I see it was Ray of Oz who transcribed this ship's list, the Ida. That is the name of the ship. http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ships/ida.html Ironically, Ray also responded to you here. Boyd http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of norman full via Sent: 08 June 2015 05:07 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] Location of Townlands, County Tyrone Good afternoon, I started researching the Fleeting family from County Tyrone some time ago. I have returned after being distracted by other parts of my family & would like to plan a visit the townlands mentioned in the material I have collected. I would appreciate help in locating the following townlands:- Ardpatrick ( John Fleeting, Griffith's Valuation); Templereagh (William Fleeting b. 1843, old family bible); Ruan, probably Roughan ( Mary Ann Fleeting b. ca 1855 , Passenger list on arrival in Australia). I would also like to learn which are the most useful maps & how to obtain them. Finally, how could I go about finding roughly where they lived. Thank you Norman Full, Australia ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Norman, I just spotted this on the CTI website, which is clearly your folks, emigrating I think (to Oz?): SURNAME First Name Age Married Single >14 Single <14 Calling Native Place County Country Parents' Names Parents' Residence Religion Read & Write Relations in the Colony FLEETING Eliza 18 x Housework Churchtown Tyrone Ireland John & Mary FLEETING Churchtown, Tyrone C of E Read Brother: James FLEETING: Bathurst FLEETING William 20 x Farm Laborer Stewartstown Tyrone Ireland John & Mary FLEETING Stewartstown, Tyrone C of E Both Brother: James FLEETING: Bathurst You can see it for yourself here: https://cse.google.com/cse/publicurl?cx=016257064390712314844:q5ic3ulcklw And I have copied this to Jim McKane who runs CTI, who may be able to tell you the origin of the database. Regards, Boyd http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of norman full via Sent: 08 June 2015 05:07 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] Location of Townlands, County Tyrone Good afternoon, I started researching the Fleeting family from County Tyrone some time ago. I have returned after being distracted by other parts of my family & would like to plan a visit the townlands mentioned in the material I have collected. I would appreciate help in locating the following townlands:- Ardpatrick ( John Fleeting, Griffith's Valuation); Templereagh (William Fleeting b. 1843, old family bible); Ruan, probably Roughan ( Mary Ann Fleeting b. ca 1855 , Passenger list on arrival in Australia). I would also like to learn which are the most useful maps & how to obtain them. Finally, how could I go about finding roughly where they lived. Thank you Norman Full, Australia ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Norman, This is a very uncommon name. The Griffiths Valuation shows that "John Fleetin" held a very tiny cottage, designated "d", on Plot 1, belonging to John Little, in the townland of Ardpatrick in the Parish of Donaghenry. Griffiths Valuation Record Information Tenant Family Name 1 FLEETIN Forename 1 JOHN Landlord Family Name 2 LITTLE Forename 2 JOHN Location County TYRONE Barony DUNGANNON, MIDDLE & UPPER Union COOKSTOWN Parish DONAGHENRY Townland ARDPATRICK Place Name ARDPATRICK Place Type TOWNLAND Publication Details Position on Page 24 Printing Date 1859 Act 15&16 Sheet Number 39 Map Reference 1 The online maps produced to go along with the Griffiths Valuation can be found here: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearc h Always a good help on finding a particular townland on the GV maps are the townland and parish maps at the Co Tyrone Ireland website. This is Donaghenry: http://www.cotyroneireland.com/townlands/images/DonaghenryDrumglassTullynisk an.pdf Unfortunately the online GV map does NOT correspond exactly with the GV. This is not unusual as the maps were produced about 20 years later. Plot 1 seems to have been subdivided and most of it is now called Plot 4. Worse still, house "d" is not marked. However, Ardpatrick is a very small townland and you could easily drive there and at least be in the area. It is about one mile west of the small village of Stewartstown, out the Sherrigrim Road. Normally the GV Revision Books which are also online at PRONI would be able to help you: http://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/Search.aspx Unfortunately they show that while he appears in Book A, 1860-1863, John Fleeting has totally vanished by the very beginning of Book B, 1864-1870 with no mention of him in the newly reorganized land holdings shown there. This means we cannot see who got his house to see if there were any more Fleetins. If you are really keen, you would need to search through all of the townlands in Book B to see if he moved somewhere nearby, which, unless he died, is very likely. As I am sure you know, there are no Fleenin/Fleetings in Templereagh or Roughan in the Parish of Donaghenry in the GV. Perhaps they were servants in the Earl of of Castlestuart's house? RootsIreland turned up no Fleeting baptisms or marriages between 1854 and 1874. I could see nothing interesting in Co Tyrone on FamilySearch for any Fleetings in any of Births, Marriages and Deaths. Just this: Elizabeth Fleet England and Wales Census, 1861 Name: Elizabeth Fleet County: Cheshire Event Type: Census Event Date: 1861 Sub-District: 3 Over Parish: Wharton Ecclesiastical Parish: Wharton Registration District: Northwich Age: 19 Gender: Female Relationship to Head of Household: Wife Birthplace: Tyrone Schedule Type: Household And GRONI, the official BMD website turned up precisely NO Fleetin or Fleeting (it is spelling sensitive) deaths between the start of Civil Registration in 1864 and 1903, when I gave up! Finally, there are NO Fleeting or Fleetings in Co Tyrone in the 1901 Census. In fact in the whole of the entire island of Ireland, the 1901 Census only has two Fleetins (in Co Down) and two Fleetings (Co Antrim). Sorry I could not be more helpful. Boyd http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of norman full via Sent: 08 June 2015 05:07 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] Location of Townlands, County Tyrone Good afternoon, I started researching the Fleeting family from County Tyrone some time ago. I have returned after being distracted by other parts of my family & would like to plan a visit the townlands mentioned in the material I have collected. I would appreciate help in locating the following townlands:- Ardpatrick ( John Fleeting, Griffith's Valuation); Templereagh (William Fleeting b. 1843, old family bible); Ruan, probably Roughan ( Mary Ann Fleeting b. ca 1855 , Passenger list on arrival in Australia). I would also like to learn which are the most useful maps & how to obtain them. Finally, how could I go about finding roughly where they lived. Thank you Norman Full, Australia ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
A great site...there is much more than just Tyrone. Explore and enjoy Some surnames are mentioned in text...Co Meath has Flemings at Slane http://irishantiquities.bravehost.com/tyrone/tyrone.html
Some great pictures. Very well taken. I have been to many of the places shown , but it always seemed to be raining!! Perhaps I'll do a North Donegal {my families home County} one as a retirement project! best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > To: cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 18:51:48 +1000 > Subject: [CoTyIre] Tyrone antiquities > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > > A great site...there is much more than just Tyrone. Explore and enjoy > Some surnames are mentioned in text...Co Meath has Flemings at Slane > > http://irishantiquities.bravehost.com/tyrone/tyrone.html > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
“ My brother has had numerous FF matches with whom we share multiple surnames, and sorting them out has been almost futile." This is the reason it is suggested one has as many cousins as possible tested (at their expense if you can!) Then you can work out which side of the family a match matches. I think also the videos on youTube by Genetic Genealogy Ireland are fabulous. There is one especially about grouping your matches into townlands. I have surnames which come up as matches all the time but so far I cannot see that we have relations by these names. Most information one reads about DNA testing and genealogy stress that DNA is only another tool and needs to be used in conjunction with paper genealogy. Margaret in Oz.
That is article sorry on my tablet and it is touchy and too fiddle for corrections or typos..a Google for Ancestry for sale will bring up the articles > To: smith_shirley_ross@juno.com; cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com; twalden27@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 06:32:12 +1000 > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] mtDNA > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > The Family finder test at Family Tree DNA is a goody as it gives you cousin matchesgoing back and out to many generations if they are in the data base. So you get paternal aand maternal matches. The raw data files can also be uploaded to Gedmatch so another database for comparisons..with people from many different companies including Family Tree And Ancestry. Family tree are more reliable as Ancestor stopped testing for Y years back and so we all transfered to Ftdna and upgraded there from a basic 12 or 25 marker Y test to a 67 Y. The Family finder test is basically an ethnicity test..so breaks up your genetic make up in %s and gives you a list of cousin names in the data base which is ever growing. Our Fleming surname and Flemish Scotlands People project is at Ftdna...and I am finding new cousins every day as both my brother and I have y tested, my tested and had the Family finder test at Family tree DNA. Also prices are great, and do send kits to Australia. We had o! > ver 200 testers at ancestry and they shut the Y project down. Most unreliable so decided to go with FTDNA. Yes the auto upload to YSearch another data base and mitochondrial comparisons is a bonus. There is a recent artical out about Ancestry being up for sale..so not good as do not know what they are up to > > > Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 17:40:23 +0000 > > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [CoTyIre] mtDNA > > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > > > Every man has his mother's mtDNA; it just cannot be passed on. mtDNA is useful for determining geographical connections but not surname connections. Shirley > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > > From: David Bartley via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > > To: Tom Walden <twalden27@gmail.com> > > Cc: "cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 113 > > Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 13:34:15 -0400 > > > > I think you’re a little off here, Tom, about the possibility of an individual carrying his or her father’s mtDNA. Actually, each individual carries only his or her mother’s mtDNA. Therefore, tracing back through mtDNA is exactly analogous to tracing via the Y chromosome. One gives the paternal line, whereas the other, the maternal. Either line is very limited in describing the genetic makeup of an individual. For example, going back 6 generations, often there are 32 pairs of great^4grandparents as ancestors, each of which can have genetic influence on the individual in question (not just your single pair of great^4grandparents named Walden). > > > > David > > > > > > > On May 29, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Tom Walden via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > Ancestry.com has a lot of ability to match you up with everyone in their > > > database so it has a lot of information that comes up including exact > > > matches with shared people in your tree and in the tree of a match. I've > > > often been able to add new information and connections. The ethnicity > > > information is interesting. I'd no idea I'd turn out to be 51% Irish. > > > I do have a beef with ancestry.com though. I originally did a YDNA test > > > for the male lineage because that was a brick wall only a couple > > > generations back. The YDNA feature gave me some interesting matches and > > > I'd had great hopes that it would get me connected to others. However > > > ancestry.com phased out that feature and stopped offering the test and so > > > no new results were available. YDNA is a great tool for searching out your > > > male lineage and I'm still irate about them dropping the test. MTDNA is > > > less useful because each female carries two copies and children can inherit > > > either their father's one copy or either of their mother's copies. YDNA is > > > a single thread tracing back to every male's common ancestor with distance > > > giving increased mutation variations. > > > Family tree DNA is the way to go for YDNA testing now. Ancestry.com has a > > > lot to offer if you have a tree with a lot of people in it to match up with > > > others who've taken the test. > > > A side note: We had an oral history hint that the Waldens were whalers > > > from Ireland. My recent breakthrough connected me up with Nantucket and > > > Martha's Vineyard where the name was spelled Waldron and the men were > > > indeed whalers or in related trades. Now I'm not sure if we are Waldron > > > whalers from Ireland or Waldron whalers from the Islands. Maybe DNA will > > > tell me some day. > > > Tom Walden > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Hello all > > >> I hope this hasn't already been discussed but... > > >> Ancestry has started offering their DNA matching service in Ireland. > > >> Has anyone tried it yet? I'm wondering if Irish folks are jumping into it > > >> at all. I'm hoping for a robust Irish database! > > >> Bridgid > > >> Toronto > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I still feel family tree DNA is the best company to test with. Not sure > > >> what > > >> Ancestry offers because I haven?t heard anything good about it. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Michael Kelly > > >> > > >> Emporium, > > >> Cameron County, > > >> Pennsylvania, > > >> United States of America > > >> > > > -- > > > TOM WALDEN > > > > > > 3707 HIGHWAY 13 > > > STITES, IDAHO 83552 > > > ------------- > > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The Family finder test at Family Tree DNA is a goody as it gives you cousin matchesgoing back and out to many generations if they are in the data base. So you get paternal aand maternal matches. The raw data files can also be uploaded to Gedmatch so another database for comparisons..with people from many different companies including Family Tree And Ancestry. Family tree are more reliable as Ancestor stopped testing for Y years back and so we all transfered to Ftdna and upgraded there from a basic 12 or 25 marker Y test to a 67 Y. The Family finder test is basically an ethnicity test..so breaks up your genetic make up in %s and gives you a list of cousin names in the data base which is ever growing. Our Fleming surname and Flemish Scotlands People project is at Ftdna...and I am finding new cousins every day as both my brother and I have y tested, my tested and had the Family finder test at Family tree DNA. Also prices are great, and do send kits to Australia. We had over 200 testers at ancestry and they shut the Y project down. Most unreliable so decided to go with FTDNA. Yes the auto upload to YSearch another data base and mitochondrial comparisons is a bonus. There is a recent artical out about Ancestry being up for sale..so not good as do not know what they are up to > Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 17:40:23 +0000 > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CoTyIre] mtDNA > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > Every man has his mother's mtDNA; it just cannot be passed on. mtDNA is useful for determining geographical connections but not surname connections. Shirley > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: David Bartley via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > To: Tom Walden <twalden27@gmail.com> > Cc: "cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 113 > Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 13:34:15 -0400 > > I think you’re a little off here, Tom, about the possibility of an individual carrying his or her father’s mtDNA. Actually, each individual carries only his or her mother’s mtDNA. Therefore, tracing back through mtDNA is exactly analogous to tracing via the Y chromosome. One gives the paternal line, whereas the other, the maternal. Either line is very limited in describing the genetic makeup of an individual. For example, going back 6 generations, often there are 32 pairs of great^4grandparents as ancestors, each of which can have genetic influence on the individual in question (not just your single pair of great^4grandparents named Walden). > > David > > > > On May 29, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Tom Walden via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > Ancestry.com has a lot of ability to match you up with everyone in their > > database so it has a lot of information that comes up including exact > > matches with shared people in your tree and in the tree of a match. I've > > often been able to add new information and connections. The ethnicity > > information is interesting. I'd no idea I'd turn out to be 51% Irish. > > I do have a beef with ancestry.com though. I originally did a YDNA test > > for the male lineage because that was a brick wall only a couple > > generations back. The YDNA feature gave me some interesting matches and > > I'd had great hopes that it would get me connected to others. However > > ancestry.com phased out that feature and stopped offering the test and so > > no new results were available. YDNA is a great tool for searching out your > > male lineage and I'm still irate about them dropping the test. MTDNA is > > less useful because each female carries two copies and children can inherit > > either their father's one copy or either of their mother's copies. YDNA is > > a single thread tracing back to every male's common ancestor with distance > > giving increased mutation variations. > > Family tree DNA is the way to go for YDNA testing now. Ancestry.com has a > > lot to offer if you have a tree with a lot of people in it to match up with > > others who've taken the test. > > A side note: We had an oral history hint that the Waldens were whalers > > from Ireland. My recent breakthrough connected me up with Nantucket and > > Martha's Vineyard where the name was spelled Waldron and the men were > > indeed whalers or in related trades. Now I'm not sure if we are Waldron > > whalers from Ireland or Waldron whalers from the Islands. Maybe DNA will > > tell me some day. > > Tom Walden > > > > > >> > >> Hello all > >> I hope this hasn't already been discussed but... > >> Ancestry has started offering their DNA matching service in Ireland. > >> Has anyone tried it yet? I'm wondering if Irish folks are jumping into it > >> at all. I'm hoping for a robust Irish database! > >> Bridgid > >> Toronto > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I still feel family tree DNA is the best company to test with. Not sure > >> what > >> Ancestry offers because I haven?t heard anything good about it. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Michael Kelly > >> > >> Emporium, > >> Cameron County, > >> Pennsylvania, > >> United States of America > >> > > -- > > TOM WALDEN > > > > 3707 HIGHWAY 13 > > STITES, IDAHO 83552 > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Agree with everything Margaret and Loretta said. Also, in a presentation Tim Janzen gave at our society, he said testing third cousins is very important if you can do it. DNA is very useful - our project so far has shown that all those with our surname are related - but we haven't found the common ancestors yet. All in a small area of Co. Tyrone, too. Maurice Gleeson's videos are invaluable. Kathleen On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Loretta Layman via < cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > "Most information one reads about DNA testing and genealogy stress that > DNA is only another tool and needs to be used in conjunction with paper > genealogy." > > Absolutely Margaret! > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Barnes via > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 6:39 PM > To: Loretta Layman > Cc: twalden27@gmail.com; cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CoTyIre] Autosomal DNA - Family Finder > > My brother has had numerous FF matches with whom we share multiple > surnames, and sorting them out has been almost futile." > > This is the reason it is suggested one has as many cousins as possible > tested (at their expense if you can!) Then you can work out which side of > the family a match matches. > > I think also the videos on youTube by Genetic Genealogy Ireland are > fabulous. There is one especially about grouping your matches into > townlands. I have surnames which come up as matches all the time but so > far I cannot see that we have relations by these names. > > Most information one reads about DNA testing and genealogy stress that DNA > is only another tool and needs to be used in conjunction with paper > genealogy. > > Margaret in Oz. > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Cuimhnigh ar na daoine ónar tháinig tú* *"Remember the men whence you came."*