Hello Ellen, I will send you a scan off list later this evening showing the Probate bounadries. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 18:00:57 +0000 > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CoTyIre] Court District Registrey boundaries > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > I found 2 probate records on PRONI. > The first was issued in 1946. The District Registry was Londonderry. Does anyone know the boundaries of that Registry for 1946? I've tried Google but no luck. > The second was issued in 1951. The District Registry was Belfast. Does anyone know the boundaries for Belfast? > I apologize for being vague but the recipients might be still alive. > Thanks in advance,Ellen > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found 2 probate records on PRONI. The first was issued in 1946.  The District Registry was Londonderry.    Does anyone know the boundaries of that Registry for 1946?  I've tried Google but no luck. The second was issued in 1951.  The District Registry was Belfast.     Does anyone know the boundaries for Belfast? I apologize for being vague but the recipients might be still alive.  Thanks in advance,Ellen

Hello Len I was involved in carrying out some renovation and reconstruction work in Strabane Workhouse over a six month period in the late 1970s At that time it was Strabane Hospital. The old dormitaries, male and female, had been converted into hospital wards in the 1930s, so I was in rooms that your g g grandmother would have known as a young girl. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 21:55:34 +1000 > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] FERMANAGH-GOLD The Penny Lean > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Hello Robert > and Listers, > > Thank you > for your posting re. Strabane Workhouse during the Famine. Listers may not be > aware that a complete transcription of this tragic incident published in the > Londonderry Journal, December 11 1847 is on our CTI website: > > http://www.cotyroneireland.com/traumatic/gilroy.html > > The origins > of the Gilroy family is actually reported as Manorhamilton in Co. Leitrim (not Manorcunningham, > Co. Donegal as quoted by Willie John Carlin) where a Thomas Gilroy (a close > relation?) was recorded at Drummans, Manorhamilton in Griffiths Valuation c1860. > > Yes, the > late Willie John Carlin of Strabane had a special interest in the Strabane > workhouse and I fondly recall meeting with him; he generously gave me copies of > extracts of the Strabane Board of Guardians’ minutes 1850-55. > > Listers may > find the following interesting: > > Workhouses > were indeed grim places, but during the Famine 1845-49, the starving and the desperate > were clamouring at the gates seeking admission. Weekly reports were published > in the local press, i.e. > > Londonderry > Standard > > January 9, > 1849 > > Strabane > Union - Remaining in the house on Saturday 6th January, 781; admitted during > the week 71; born 2; died 3; discharged 14; remaining 837. Number in > corresponding week last year, 876 > > A small > section of the workhouse survives as the local Council offices and there is a > memorial in the grounds at the rear commemorating the paupers’ graveyard (sadly, > no record of burials has survived and all graves are unmarked). > > My interest > in Strabane workhouse is that my 16 years old g-g grandmother and two sisters > were sent from there to Melbourne in 1849 as part of a group of girls from > Strabane taking part in the Westminster-devised Irish Female Orphan Scheme. > Some 5,000 girls from workhouses across Ireland were sent to Australia 1848-50 > in an attempt to reduce the number of orphan girls housed in workhouses during > the Famine years. They were described as a “Permanent Deadweight” upon the > local ratepayers who were taxed to support their union workhouse. > > Strabane > Union covered parishes in both Tyrone and Donegal. > > The Famine paupers > generally, were starving, dressed in rags and had no homes – whole families > were reduced to wandering the roads begging and sleeping rough. Certainly they > sought shelter against the workhouse walls during harsh weather, but not one of > them would have possessed a penny to pay the porter, not even a farthing. It is > difficult to relay the desperation of these folks. > > Girls > selected for emigration to Australia were transported to the nearest port where > they embarked for Plymouth where they boarded emigrant ships and undertook the > three-month journey to Australia, disembarking in Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney > and Brisbane. They were universally maligned by the colonists and the scheme > was abandoned in 1850. > > Trust this > contributes to listers knowledge of the Famine times and regards, > > Len > Swindley, > > Melbourne, > Australia > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ulster Ancestry > via > Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:12 PM > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD The Penny Lean > > > Willie Carlin writing in the book Workhouses of the North West tells of unearthing this sad story > from the files of a local newspaper the Tyrone Constitution. > > The title for the report "A sad Christmas" is I think somewhat understated and in our World of plenty it is hard to imagine or comprehend such hardshipand suffering. Thomas Gilroy, a native of Manorcunningham County Donegal, left his home > with his young wife and six children in search of employment in the City of Glasgow. > > He arrived there early in August 1847 but by the time November came there was little work to be had and no food or shelter. His wife was taken ill with fever,followed by Thomas and three of the children, two of whom died. > > Weak and straving,unable to care for his wife and four remaining children,Thomas was given the sum of two shillings and sixpence and he and his family were put on a boat to Derry Quay. When they arrived at the Londonderry Workhouse they were refused admission because they had no transfer documentation. They were told to go on to Strabane 14 miles away. > > > After sheltering overnight from the cold and miserable weather, the sad bedragled little group set out > the next day to walk the 14 miles to Strabane. > > The only food to be had was raw turnips which they found growing in fields along the way. They were barely able to > stand when they got to Strabane Workhouse on the 10th of December. When they asked to be admitted they were again turned away because they had no official identification. > > Eventually they found shelter at Melmount with an old woman who had little food to spare herself. Starved and exhausted Thomas Gilroy lay down on the damp earth alongside his family. Early on the morning of the 17th of December Thomas and his youngest child, died. > > The inquiry that followed found they had died from starvation. The gate keeper at the workhouse was reprimanded for ignoring the plight of the Gilroy family,and Mrs Gilroy and her three surviving children were taken into workhouse care. > > The old lady whose cabin they had shared at Melmount was given a subscription for laying out the bodies of Thomas and his child,before they were carried to the paupers graveyard for burial > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much, Len Swindley, for your recent email to this list about escaped convict Patrick Cotton of Tyrone. I am descended from a James Cotton of Tyrone who joined the British Army in the late 1700's. His physical description there is very similar to the one of Patrick you found. So I am assuming the latter is a relation of mine. I will enjoy putting him in my family history now and keeping a look-out for any descendants of his in Australia. I, and members of a Cotton family in New Zealand from Derry, believe we are descendants of Huguenot soldiers named Cottin who settled in Ireland in the 1690's. If so, we seem to have kept up our fighting spirit, don't we? Bartbara Holt (in New Zealand).

*Mann* Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1835-1872 <http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/mann.html> *Adams* Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1822-1869 <http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/adams.html> *Practical Farmers* in Dromore Parish c1820 <http://www.cotyroneireland.com/occupations/farmers.html>

In some cases people co-rented a farm with others because they could not afford the full rent or rates on their own. They shared the cost. I have come across this situation several times in different counties and parishes. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > To: mmarion@rogers.com > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 02:04:28 +0100 > CC: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Armstrong of Bracky > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > Hi Margaret, > > 1. The church will not photocopy the records. You need to find someone who > will visit either the church, or PRONI, which has a microfilm of the > records, and copy and digipic the records you want. > C.I. Cooley or Sixmilecross (Armagh diocese) > Baptisms, 1836-71; marriages, 1836-46; burials, 1837- > 71; confirmations, 1837, 1840, 1843, 1846, 1866, 1870 > and 1873. PRONI MIC583/7 > Baptisms, 1872; marriages, 1847; burials, 1872-; vestry > minutes, 1838-. In local custody > > 2. First, these are farms rather than fields. But, yes, it was very common > indeed for people to share farms and yes it usually meant that they were > related and if the surnames are not the same, one possible explanation for > that is that they were married to females with the same name. Finding the > link is never easy as the marriages usually predate the civil records. > > 3. Tracking changes between the GV and the censuses is now much easier > since the Griffiths Valuation Revision Books went online. You will find > them here: > http://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/Search.aspx > > Have fun! > > Boyd > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mmarion via > Sent: 18 June 2015 01:11 > To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CoTyIre] Armstrong of Bracky > > I have just returned from an incredible week in Ireland. In our first night > at a bed and breakfast, I met a man from Florida who was able to translate > the Griffitth's valuation map to today's map and give me a gps coordinate > for my Samuel Armstrong of Bracky. We drove there and when it said we had > arrived, I pulled over. As I got out of the car, a man was closing a farm > gate. I told him I was from Canada and I was looking for the Armstrong > fields. He told me I was looking at them. He got his mother who's mother > and father were related to the Armstrongs of Bracky. She says their are two > Armstrong families of Bracky, not related. > I had to share that story. This has been my brick wall for 20 years. > I have three questions. > 1. The parish at Sixmilecross, St. Michaels, has some BMD records. I would > like photocopies of the ones relating to Armstrong's of that parish. Any > suggestions how I go about doing it. Other than, looking for cheap flights > in October, which I am already doing. I have been in contact with the > parish, but I can't ask them to copy every record pertaining to an > Armstrong, which is what I want to do. Actually I would like a copy of > their records, up to 1910. Would they photocopy them for me, at a price? > Any suggestions? > 2. And in the Griffith's valuation, the Armstrongs of Bracky all seem to > have fields adjacent to each other. And they even share a field with Thomas > Fields and Jim Fulton. Would Thomas Fields and Jim Fulton, be related. For > example, married to a female Armstrong? Was this common to share a field? > 3. I have started family files for the Armstrongs of Bracky. I have tracked > the families in the 1901 census and the 1911. Now I am trying to bring them > backwards to the 1860 Griffith's. Any suggestions? > Margaret Marion > Oshawa, Ontario, Canada > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

*Vance* Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1843-66 <http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/vance.html> *Stack *Family Notes, Co. Tyrone, Co. Fermanagh & Dublin 1829-69 <http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stack.html>

Hi Margaret, 1. The church will not photocopy the records. You need to find someone who will visit either the church, or PRONI, which has a microfilm of the records, and copy and digipic the records you want. C.I. Cooley or Sixmilecross (Armagh diocese) Baptisms, 1836-71; marriages, 1836-46; burials, 1837- 71; confirmations, 1837, 1840, 1843, 1846, 1866, 1870 and 1873. PRONI MIC583/7 Baptisms, 1872; marriages, 1847; burials, 1872-; vestry minutes, 1838-. In local custody 2. First, these are farms rather than fields. But, yes, it was very common indeed for people to share farms and yes it usually meant that they were related and if the surnames are not the same, one possible explanation for that is that they were married to females with the same name. Finding the link is never easy as the marriages usually predate the civil records. 3. Tracking changes between the GV and the censuses is now much easier since the Griffiths Valuation Revision Books went online. You will find them here: http://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/Search.aspx Have fun! Boyd http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mmarion via Sent: 18 June 2015 01:11 To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] Armstrong of Bracky I have just returned from an incredible week in Ireland. In our first night at a bed and breakfast, I met a man from Florida who was able to translate the Griffitth's valuation map to today's map and give me a gps coordinate for my Samuel Armstrong of Bracky. We drove there and when it said we had arrived, I pulled over. As I got out of the car, a man was closing a farm gate. I told him I was from Canada and I was looking for the Armstrong fields. He told me I was looking at them. He got his mother who's mother and father were related to the Armstrongs of Bracky. She says their are two Armstrong families of Bracky, not related. I had to share that story. This has been my brick wall for 20 years. I have three questions. 1. The parish at Sixmilecross, St. Michaels, has some BMD records. I would like photocopies of the ones relating to Armstrong's of that parish. Any suggestions how I go about doing it. Other than, looking for cheap flights in October, which I am already doing. I have been in contact with the parish, but I can't ask them to copy every record pertaining to an Armstrong, which is what I want to do. Actually I would like a copy of their records, up to 1910. Would they photocopy them for me, at a price? Any suggestions? 2. And in the Griffith's valuation, the Armstrongs of Bracky all seem to have fields adjacent to each other. And they even share a field with Thomas Fields and Jim Fulton. Would Thomas Fields and Jim Fulton, be related. For example, married to a female Armstrong? Was this common to share a field? 3. I have started family files for the Armstrongs of Bracky. I have tracked the families in the 1901 census and the 1911. Now I am trying to bring them backwards to the 1860 Griffith's. Any suggestions? Margaret Marion Oshawa, Ontario, Canada ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just returned from an incredible week in Ireland. In our first night at a bed and breakfast, I met a man from Florida who was able to translate the Griffitth's valuation map to today's map and give me a gps coordinate for my Samuel Armstrong of Bracky. We drove there and when it said we had arrived, I pulled over. As I got out of the car, a man was closing a farm gate. I told him I was from Canada and I was looking for the Armstrong fields. He told me I was looking at them. He got his mother who's mother and father were related to the Armstrongs of Bracky. She says their are two Armstrong families of Bracky, not related. I had to share that story. This has been my brick wall for 20 years. I have three questions. 1. The parish at Sixmilecross, St. Michaels, has some BMD records. I would like photocopies of the ones relating to Armstrong's of that parish. Any suggestions how I go about doing it. Other than, looking for cheap flights in October, which I am already doing. I have been in contact with the parish, but I can't ask them to copy every record pertaining to an Armstrong, which is what I want to do. Actually I would like a copy of their records, up to 1910. Would they photocopy them for me, at a price? Any suggestions? 2. And in the Griffith's valuation, the Armstrongs of Bracky all seem to have fields adjacent to each other. And they even share a field with Thomas Fields and Jim Fulton. Would Thomas Fields and Jim Fulton, be related. For example, married to a female Armstrong? Was this common to share a field? 3. I have started family files for the Armstrongs of Bracky. I have tracked the families in the 1901 census and the 1911. Now I am trying to bring them backwards to the 1860 Griffith's. Any suggestions? Margaret Marion Oshawa, Ontario, Canada

Yes Dee. Hard times indeed. Just last Monday at PRONI, I was reading through the Vestry Minute Book of St Canice's Church in the parish of Upper Moville in County Donegal. A fasinateing volume dating from January 1770 giving the reader a first hand insight into the lives and times of this congregation{of which my own family were members} for over 150 years. I found a copy letter from the clergyman written in the Spring of 1847 to the Authorities in Dublin Castle thanking them for the leaflets they had sent containing the cooking instructions for Indian Corn {Maize.} Another letter showed that a year later that was all they had received, the cooking instructions, no maize. It never did arrive. Seven members of my direct family died in 1847/48. My father's great grandparents and 5 of their children, leaving 2 orphans to be raised by their aged grandparents. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: deebg@bigpond.net.au > To: ulsterancestry@hotmail.com; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: FERMANAGH-GOLD The Penny Lean > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 21:58:58 +1000 > > Robert, > > What an absolutely tragic story - those poor, poor people. Man's inhumanity > to his fellow man beggars belief sometimes. > To read about the famine years shakes one to the core - it would be > indescribable torture to try to live through them! > Thank you for sharing, > > Dee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ulster Ancestry > via > Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2015 9:12 PM > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD The Penny Lean > > > > Willie Carlin writing > in the book Workhouses of the North West tells of unearthing this sad story > from the files of a local newspaper > > the Tyrone Constitution. > > > > The title for the report "A sad Christmas" is I think somewhat understated > and in our World of plenty it is hard to imagine or comprehend such hardship > and suffering. > > > > Thomas Gilroy, a native of Manorcunningham County Donegal, left his home > with his young wife and six children in search of employment in the City of > Glasgow. > > > > He arrived there early in August 1847 but by the time November came > there was little work to be had and no food or shelter. His wife was > taken ill with fever,followed by Thomas and three of the children, two > of whom died. > > > > Weak and straving,unable to care for his wife and four remaining > children,Thomas was given the sum of two shillings and sixpence and he > and his family were put on a boat to Derry Quay. When they arrived at the > Londonderry Workhouse they were refused admission because they had no > transfer documentation. They were told to go on to Strabane 14 miles > away. > > > > After sheltering overnight from the cold and miserable weather, the sad > bedragled little group set out > the next day to walk the 14 miles to Strabane. > > The only food to be had was raw turnips which they found growing in fields > along the way. They were barely able to > stand when they got to Strabane Workhouse on the 10th of December. When > they asked to be admitted they were again turned away because they had no > official identification. > > > > Eventually they found shelter at Melmount with an old woman who had > little food to spare herself. Starved and exhausted Thomas Gilroy lay > down on the damp earth alongside his family. Early on the morning of the > 17th of December Thomas and his youngest child, died. > > > > The inquiry that followed found they had died from starvation. The > gate keeper at the workhouse was reprimanded for ignoring the plight of > the Gilroy family,and Mrs Gilroy and her three surviving children were > taken into workhouse care. > > > The old lady whose cabin they had shared at > Melmount was given a subscription for laying out the bodies > > of Thomas and his child,before they were carried to the paupers graveyard > for burial > <snip> > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Willie Carlin writing in the book Workhouses of the North West tells of unearthing this sad story from the files of a local newspaper the Tyrone Constitution. The title for the report "A sad Christmas" is I think somewhat understated and in our World of plenty it is hard to imagine or comprehend such hardship and suffering. Thomas Gilroy, a native of Manorcunningham County Donegal, left his home with his young wife and six children in search of employment in the City of Glasgow. He arrived there early in August 1847 but by the time November came there was little work to be had and no food or shelter. His wife was taken ill with fever,followed by Thomas and three of the children, two of whom died. Weak and straving,unable to care for his wife and four remaining children,Thomas was given the sum of two shillings and sixpence and he and his family were put on a boat to Derry Quay. When they arrived at the Londonderry Workhouse they were refused admission because they had no transfer documentation. They were told to go on to Strabane 14 miles away. After sheltering overnight from the cold and miserable weather, the sad bedragled little group set out the next day to walk the 14 miles to Strabane. The only food to be had was raw turnips which they found growing in fields along the way. They were barely able to stand when they got to Strabane Workhouse on the 10th of December. When they asked to be admitted they were again turned away because they had no official identification. Eventually they found shelter at Melmount with an old woman who had little food to spare herself. Starved and exhausted Thomas Gilroy lay down on the damp earth alongside his family. Early on the morning of the 17th of December Thomas and his youngest child, died. The inquiry that followed found they had died from starvation. The gate keeper at the workhouse was reprimanded for ignoring the plight of the Gilroy family,and Mrs Gilroy and her three surviving children were taken into workhouse care. The old lady whose cabin they had shared at Melmount was given a subscription for laying out the bodies of Thomas and his child,before they were carried to the paupers graveyard for burial After this the Guardians of Strabane Workhouse adopted a policy of assisted emigration. More able bodied inmates were sent to New South Wales, New Zealand and Quebec. It was well known that on the journey they were accompanied by an assortment of prisoners from Lifford Jail. Willie Carlin describes the frequent overcrowding in the house and recounted an unauthorized custom. On wet cold nights the destitute paupers and their children were permitted to shelter outside by leaning tight against the workhouse walls. For this privilege they paid the Workhouse Porter the sum of one penny. It was known to all as "The Penny Lean" best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com

This item from an Australian newspaper may be interesting to listers: The Hobart Town Gazette and Southern Reporter (Tasmania, Australia) Saturday, April 3, 1819 Police Office, March 22d, 1819 The under-mentioned convicts having, on the night of the 27th February last, piratically cut-out and carried off the schooner Young Lachlan from this port, their names and descriptions are now published for general information. (There follows a list of escaped convicts including:) PATRICK COTTON, 5 f. 6 ins. high, black hair, hazel eyes, aged 42, is a labourer, was born in the County Tyrone and tried at Omagh in August 1817, is sentenced for life; in the Minerva he arrived both at Sydney & Hobart Town. Regards Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

Hello Listers and CTI Users - Some of the latest files are quite large pdf's. Therefore, if you have a slow connection, it will take time for them to download. Our server is very fast but the connection between your computer and our server may not be! Just be patient as the file will come. Good Luck Jim

This is great news. Thanks for posting this. On the index file, I see several families to whom I'm related, and also see the marriage of my great-grandparents. Ellen Griffin and John McLaughlin. The files are sometimes extremely slow in loading, though, and sometimes just get stuck and don't proceed, even if I keep the page open for an hour or more. The only one I've succeeded in actually downloading is the file that contains my great-grandparents' marriage, which is probably the one that most interests me. I had to try three times, but eventually I got it. So, for others who are interested in these records, just be patient and keep tryimg! Barbara Vaughan Il 15/06/2015 12:49, Jim McKane via ha scritto: > *Upper Badoney* Parish, Church of Ireland Marriage Index Cards & Register > 1846-1890 > <http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/upperbadoney_marriage.html> > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Thanks Ray and Cora Ann. I also agree about the word Margt. Robert and Margaret’s son emigrated to Australia in 1838 as a Bounty Emigrant and these records have survived. I was able to obtain the most wonderful facsimile copy of his emigration certificate and the word Margaret is written just like that, with a superscript ‘t’ after Marg which could easily be missed. On these certificates you get the parents names, and the parish and it was very helpful to have this information so that I could start searching in Donaghmore right away. However I am amazed at just how many Lucas families lived there, and some still do I’m told – but they don’t know anything apparently. I’m still shaking my head about a stonemason carving the word ‘sic’ on to a headstone! This means ‘it is not so’, so why didn’t he ask somebody before he did it I wonder? Thanks again for your comments, also to Clare and Janet. Shirley in Sydney From: ray15@optusnet.com.au [mailto:ray15@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 13 June 2015 9:27 PM To: S.Harper; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Robert Lucas Transcription Shirley, thanks for sharing all of the information with the list. I have a thought relating to the headstone inscription and his wife "Mary (sic)". JUST PERHAPS, that might have been inscribed at Marg --- followed by a small "t" to the right of the "g" and above it -- which is sometimes called a "superscript" (contrasted with a 'subscript' where it it written slightly below the line). We all make mistakes when transcribing, and if the stone is a little aged, then the printing/writing/incisions might not be so clearly visible. What I am getting at therefore, is that the inscription might have read that his wife was in fact Margt. and not Mary. The "sic" seems like it has been sent to you by the transcriber, or by someone who has copied the transcription for you (perhaps from a published work), so maybe they are thereby merely pointing out that their transcription (or their interpretation of it) gives the wife's name as Mary, where you might have informed them that the wife was Margaret. Hope that this is not 'clear as mud". ray in oz --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Thank you for updating us Shirley. A lot of us lurkers are always interested to know of successful outcomes. Congratulations. Sent from my iPad > On 13 Jun 2015, at 5:00 pm, cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or wish to search or browse the archives or unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links and instructions. See http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our associated web site. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Robert LUCAS (S.Harper) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:49:04 +1000 > From: "S.Harper" <teran81gan@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Robert LUCAS > To: "'TyroneIre'" <TyroneIre@aol.com> > Cc: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <000501d0a583$82d8a7c0$8889f740$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello Clare, > > I discovered there is only one Robert Lucas after all! The second one is from a grave transcription and the grave was erected many years later, so I think his son forgot the actual year his father died. > > Good result! I can now make some progress! Thanks again. > > > > Shirley > > > > From: TyroneIre [mailto:TyroneIre@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, 12 June 2015 1:15 PM > To: S.Harper > Cc: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Robert LUCAS > > > > 5 credits fir each "full" view which is what you want. So figure out if there are any others you want to check. Personally I always buy in multiples of 5 credits plus 1 so that I have that one credit on the account to be able to view the search results. > > Let us know how you get on. > > ~Clare L CTI Ass't Admin > > > On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:51 PM, S.Harper via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I'm hoping someone one this list can help me. I want to view the death > certificates of two men named Robert Lucas. I have now registered with > NIdirect website and understand I need to buy 'credits' to see these > certificates. > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 121 > ************************************************