And those Hoods are still living in Newtownstewart today. -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 12 August 2015 08:01 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 170 You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or wish to search or browse the archives or unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links and instructions. See http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our associated web site. Today's Topics: 1. The Marriage of Elizabeth Hood of Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone 1876 (Len Swindley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 23:11:01 +1000 From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com> Subject: [CoTyIre] The Marriage of Elizabeth Hood of Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone 1876 To: "COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU181-W615CB5C527955EB1771877E07F0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hello Listers, This marriage announcement may be of interest to ra esearcher: Mount Alexander Mail [Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia] May 15 1876 ARBERY ? HOOD On the 27th March last, by the Rev. Archdeacon Crawford, JOHN ARBERY, of Ottery, St. Mary, Devon, England, to ELIZABETH HOOD, daughter of SAMUEL HOOD, Main-street, New Town Stewart, County Tyrone, Ireland Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------ To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 170 ************************************************

Hello Listers, This marriage announcement may be of interest to ra esearcher: Mount Alexander Mail [Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia] May 15 1876 ARBERY – HOOD On the 27th March last, by the Rev. Archdeacon Crawford, JOHN ARBERY, of Ottery, St. Mary, Devon, England, to ELIZABETH HOOD, daughter of SAMUEL HOOD, Main-street, New Town Stewart, County Tyrone, Ireland Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

Hi Darrel, I have also gleaned much of this information previously altho my interest is my gg grandfather Mat(t?)hew Wilson. I am presuming that you are a descendant of a Bleakley. Have you had your DNA tested? I know there is at least one Wilson male from Canada who is listed on Family Tree DNA, who is descended from a Wilson/Bleakley (or Blakeley) union. Unfortunately I have connections to this family but cannot exactly place where my gg grandfather fits in. Margaret in Oz.

Hello Gerry I have these 3 headstone inscriptions from Old Donaghenry Graveyard. This family were known locally as "Baillie" If the formating gets lost during transmission, as it can do, e.mail me off list and I'll send as an attachment best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com BAILLIE Donaghenry Old Donaghenry Glebe Tyrone Gravestone Inscription Beneath this stone in interred the body of ---- Baillie alias Clarke wife of Andrew Baillie Esqr--- departed this life June 3rd 1778 aged 4. Also the body of Andrew Baillie Esqr husband of ---- love was meion [sic] in the , who departed this life Sept. LMB the 10th 1780 aged 49 years..... [illegible]. Comment [Sandstone slab] BAILLIE Donaghenry Old Donaghenry Glebe Tyrone Gravestone Inscription illegible.. the body of ----- Baillie Esq. to the bone who departed this life ye first n. aged 20 yrs Ensigne at ye siege of Derry. Comment [Sandstone slab] The Siege of Derry was 1688-1689. An Ensign is a young lieutenant BAILLIE Donaghenry Old Donaghenry Glebe Tyrone Gravestone Inscription Sacred to the memory of Theodore Baillie Esq of Tirmiskea and also of his eldest daughter Eleanor Mary Baillie. Comment [Sandstone slab] > > I am looking for info on William Bailey that may be from the Donaghenry Parish of Ireland. He was born around 1797 time frame. William Bailey and wife Jane came to the USA on Aug 1828 at new York. He had a brother David Bailey younger then William who came to New York about 2 years before William. There may be Bailey graves in the old Donaghenry Graveyard. Is there a way to find out about who is buried these? There was also another brother John who stayed in Ireland. I am looking for the home town for this Bailey family. Thanks Gerry sage

I am looking for info on William Bailey that may be from the Donaghenry Parish of Ireland. He was born around 1797 time frame. William Bailey and wife Jane came to the USA on Aug 1828 at new York. He had a brother David Bailey younger then William who came to New York about 2 years before William. There may be Bailey graves in the old Donaghenry Graveyard. Is there a way to find out about who is buried these? There was also another brother John who stayed in Ireland. I am looking for the home town for this Bailey family. Thanks Gerry Sent from Windows Mail

I have now returned to the states and cannot look at the microfilm. Those records are not online and have to be viewed at PRONI. There might be a service for paying someone there to search. It took me about four hours with the magnifying glass to find the one record. Kim Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:00 AM, cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or wish to search or browse the archives or unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links and instructions. See http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our associated web site. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: C of I records of Donaghenry (John M. Collins) > 2. Re: COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 167 > (Larry and Debbie MacDonald) > 3. Re: Bailey family & Donaghenry (John M. Collins) > 4. Bleakley lines of Kilskerry Parish, Co. Tyrone (Darrel Hockley) > 5. One omission - Bleakley lines of Kilskerry (Darrel Hockley) > 6. Re: Bleakley lines of Kilskerry Parish, Co. Tyrone > (Margaret Barnes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 09:59:59 -0400 > From: "John M. Collins" <jmacollins@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] C of I records of Donaghenry > To: "cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1CF5B161-1139-4CE5-A11A-0D0F93C1852D@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello Kimberly > > My COLLINS family of early Cookstown years 1720-1850 has a connection to Donaghenry. There are two known COLLINS graves in the old Donaghenry Graveyard that are theirs plus the WEIR family which is connected by marriage. While both of these families were Presbyterian, C of I records for them would not be unusual. > > Is there any way to get the microfilm you mention checked for these names in any context? Also to see if the entries in it have any references to Cookstown area. > > Earliest known COLLINS names are James (abt 1705-1786), James (1735-1805) surg., David (abt 1740-?), John (1743-1811), and WEIR name is John (1772-1850). Both families were local merchants. Common female names in later years are Mary, Jane, Isabella, Maria. > > Many thanks for your posting. > > John Collins in Sarnia > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:35:21 -0500 > From: Kimberly McCord <kamccor@ilstu.edu> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 165 > To: "cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4D7952DC-61E4-4092-83CF-A93B5F8FDC55@ilstu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, > > For anyone interested, I found Church of Ireland in Donaghenry Parish records going back to the early 1700's. They are on microfilm at PRONI. The records are in very poor condition and have to be read with a magnifying glass. I was able to find one very clear record that gives me some interesting information on my ancestors. > > Kim McCord > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 08:46:55 -0600 > From: "Larry and Debbie MacDonald" <larry_m@shaw.ca> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 167 > To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BBC983B215CC483C876DD6E53803B7EF@MSI> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > I found the 1830 and 1864 church census for Dromore Presbyterian on the > Emerald Ancestors website. > > "Church censuses as such were unknown in Presbyterian congregations, > although occasionally a minister would list member families and their > townlands; these are generally located in the kirk session records, but not > always. > > Such records within Presbyterian churches are rather rare. Where they have > survived they are recorded within PRONI's online Guide to Church Records." > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 11:18:05 -0400 > From: "John M. Collins" <jmacollins@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Bailey family & Donaghenry > To: "cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4F0033E0-53E7-4879-8D53-EF73B91E4868@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello Gerald > > Read your post with interest as I have a BAILEY name associated with my COLLINS family and have no earlier details on it. > > - Elizabeth J. BAILEY is widowed, designated as a sister of the widow Sarah COLLINS and lives with her in Philly in the 1880 US census. She is age 68 (born 1811/12) Ireland which was two years younger than Sarah in that census. Their parents also born in Ireland. > > - Sarah _________ (abt 1812 Ireland - 29 May 1891 Philadelphia, PA) married 1839-45 in USA to William Clarke COLLINS (1804 Desertcreat Parish, Cookstown area, Tyr. - 22 Mar 1868 Philadelphia, PA). Marriage may be William C. COLLINS & Sarah Collins on 5 Nov 1840 in Marshall Co., Tenn. by D.B. Bells, Minister of the Gospel. > > There were many BAILEY families in that county in the 1840 US census and William COLLINS and at least one of his male cousins was known to have been there in that time frame. > > They lived in Philly where he was a commission merchant in wholesale food items. Six children known of whom only William survived to maturity, married but no children are known. > Using census returns 1850 to 1880, Sarah's DOB is 1822, 1815, 1815, 1810. > > I would like to learn the maiden name of these two sisters. I assume that Sarah's surname of Collins in the marriage record is simply the application of her husband's name as was standard in Ch. of Eng. parishes in that time frame. > > The above William COLLINS had an uncle and aunt William & Theresa COLLINS and cousins living at Donaghenry, Tyr. > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > John Collins in Sarnia, Ont., Canada > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 19:20:27 +0000 (UTC) > From: Gerald Bailey <g.bailey3308@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Records for William Bailey > To: Kimberly McCord via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1733260783.21860.1438629628001.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > My name is Gerald Bailey and I am looking for info on William Bailey and family who came to the US on about 1828. I think that he may have lived in the Donaghenry Parish in Ireland. He had a brother David Bailey a few years younger and came to New York about two years before William. I am trying to learn just where in Ireland William Bailey lived and if any of the family is still in Ireland. William Bailey? was born about 1800 and married a Jane? Can you help? Gerry > > ------------------------------ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 01:19:16 +0000 (UTC) > From: Darrel Hockley <ddh_regina@yahoo.ca> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Bleakley lines of Kilskerry Parish, Co. Tyrone > To: Tyrone Mailing List <cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1804362452.829708.1438823956996.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I figured it is time to share with other researchers what I have found on the Bleakley lines (surname variously spelled) of Kilskerry Parish, by tracing the ancestry of Charlotte Bleakley (1861 to 1939). > Charlotte Bleakley was born on 7 Nov. 1861 in the Kilskerry Parish, Co. Tyrone, the daughter of Charles Bleakley (1816 to 1904) and his wife Mary Jane Bleakley (1834 to 1891). Charlotte married on 25 June 1885 in the Methodist Church at Irvinestown, Co. Fermanagh to Robert Loane (1855 to 1929) and lived at Drumharvey, Co. Tyrone where they raised a large family. Charlotte died on 30 July 1939 at Drumharvey. > Charles Bleakley was born in 1816 in Cabra, Co. Tyrone and was baptised on 25 Dec. 1816 at Kilskerry Parish. He was the son of Irwin Bleakley of Cabra and his wife Mary Elliott (1793 to 1849). Charles married on 18 March 1858 in Kilskerry Parish, Mary Jane Bleakley. Mary Jane was born in 1834 at Garvaghy, Kilskerry, Co. Tyrone., the daughter of Irwin Bleakley of Gavaghy and his wife Sophia Willson. Mary Jane was baptised on 24 June 1834 at Kilskerry Parish. She died on 17 June 1891 at Mullybreslin, Co. Fermanagh. Charles died on 25 January 1904 also at Mullybreslin. > Irwin Bleakley of Cabra married on 5 November or on 5 December 1810 at Kilskerry Parish to Mary Elliott. Mary was born in 1793 at Dreagh/Dreigh, Co. Tyrone to William Elliott and his wife Lily (maiden name unknown to me). Mary died in 1849 at Cabra and was buried on 7 July 1849 in the Kilskerry Parish graveyard. > Irwin Bleakley of Gavaghy was born in 1784 at Garvaghy, Kilskerry, Co. Tyrone, the son of Irwin Bleakley and his wife Eleanor Bleakley of Clogherat. About 1820 he married Sophia Willson, the daughter of Mathew Willson and his wife Sophia Gray. Irwin died in 1861 and was buried on 8 May 1861 in the Kilskerry Parish graveyard. Sophia died in 1858 and was buried on 16 May 1858 at Kilskerry. > Irwin Bleakley was born in 1757 and on 8 Dec. 1783 he married Eleanor Bleakley of Clogherat at Kilskerry Parish. He died in 1837 at Garvaghy and was buried on 7 June 1837 at Kilskerry. Eleanor died in 1843 at Garvaghy and was buried on 1 August 1843 at Kilskerry. > Mathew Willson married on 7 Sept. 1787 at Kilskerry Parish Sophia Gray. Sophia was born in 1771 at Feglis, Kilskerry. She died in 1851 at Feglis and was buried on 9 January 1851 in the Kilskerry Parish graveyard. > I hope the above helps some researchers. > Darrel Hockley > Regina, SK, Canada > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 02:06:52 +0000 (UTC) > From: Darrel Hockley <ddh_regina@yahoo.ca> > Subject: [CoTyIre] One omission - Bleakley lines of Kilskerry > To: Tyrone Mailing List <cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1218613706.870570.1438826812494.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I forgot to mention that Eleanor Bleakley of Clogherat was born in 1764. > Darrel Hockley > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:45:21 +1000 > From: Margaret Barnes <barnesdm@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Bleakley lines of Kilskerry Parish, Co. Tyrone > To: Darrel Hockley <ddh_regina@yahoo.ca> > Cc: Tyrone Mailing List <cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FAD0A6FB-F8A1-41CC-8C27-D5C8B9B8401D@bigpond.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Darrel, > > I have also gleaned much of this information previously altho my interest is my gg grandfather Mat(t?)hew Wilson. I am presuming that you are a descendant of a Bleakley. > Have you had your DNA tested? I know there is at least one Wilson male from Canada who is listed on Family Tree DNA, who is descended from a Wilson/Bleakley (or Blakeley) union. Unfortunately I have connections to this family but cannot exactly place where my gg grandfather fits in. > > Margaret in Oz. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 168 > ************************************************

I forgot to mention that Eleanor Bleakley of Clogherat was born in 1764. Darrel Hockley

I figured it is time to share with other researchers what I have found on the Bleakley lines (surname variously spelled) of Kilskerry Parish, by tracing the ancestry of Charlotte Bleakley (1861 to 1939). Charlotte Bleakley was born on 7 Nov. 1861 in the Kilskerry Parish, Co. Tyrone, the daughter of Charles Bleakley (1816 to 1904) and his wife Mary Jane Bleakley (1834 to 1891). Charlotte married on 25 June 1885 in the Methodist Church at Irvinestown, Co. Fermanagh to Robert Loane (1855 to 1929) and lived at Drumharvey, Co. Tyrone where they raised a large family. Charlotte died on 30 July 1939 at Drumharvey. Charles Bleakley was born in 1816 in Cabra, Co. Tyrone and was baptised on 25 Dec. 1816 at Kilskerry Parish. He was the son of Irwin Bleakley of Cabra and his wife Mary Elliott (1793 to 1849). Charles married on 18 March 1858 in Kilskerry Parish, Mary Jane Bleakley. Mary Jane was born in 1834 at Garvaghy, Kilskerry, Co. Tyrone., the daughter of Irwin Bleakley of Gavaghy and his wife Sophia Willson. Mary Jane was baptised on 24 June 1834 at Kilskerry Parish. She died on 17 June 1891 at Mullybreslin, Co. Fermanagh. Charles died on 25 January 1904 also at Mullybreslin. Irwin Bleakley of Cabra married on 5 November or on 5 December 1810 at Kilskerry Parish to Mary Elliott. Mary was born in 1793 at Dreagh/Dreigh, Co. Tyrone to William Elliott and his wife Lily (maiden name unknown to me). Mary died in 1849 at Cabra and was buried on 7 July 1849 in the Kilskerry Parish graveyard. Irwin Bleakley of Gavaghy was born in 1784 at Garvaghy, Kilskerry, Co. Tyrone, the son of Irwin Bleakley and his wife Eleanor Bleakley of Clogherat. About 1820 he married Sophia Willson, the daughter of Mathew Willson and his wife Sophia Gray. Irwin died in 1861 and was buried on 8 May 1861 in the Kilskerry Parish graveyard. Sophia died in 1858 and was buried on 16 May 1858 at Kilskerry. Irwin Bleakley was born in 1757 and on 8 Dec. 1783 he married Eleanor Bleakley of Clogherat at Kilskerry Parish. He died in 1837 at Garvaghy and was buried on 7 June 1837 at Kilskerry. Eleanor died in 1843 at Garvaghy and was buried on 1 August 1843 at Kilskerry. Mathew Willson married on 7 Sept. 1787 at Kilskerry Parish Sophia Gray. Sophia was born in 1771 at Feglis, Kilskerry. She died in 1851 at Feglis and was buried on 9 January 1851 in the Kilskerry Parish graveyard. I hope the above helps some researchers. Darrel Hockley Regina, SK, Canada

Darrel, Church censuses as such were unknown in Presbyterian congregations, although occasionally a minister would list member families and their townlands; these are generally located in the kirk session records, but not always. Such records within Presbyterian churches are rather rare. Where they have survived they are recorded within PRONI's online Guide to Church Records. Trust this is useful to listers, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 16:57:04 +0000 > To: larry_m@shaw.ca; COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Thomas Cosgrove (McCusker) > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > I notice the below mentions a 1835 Church census for Dromore Presbyterian Church. Was there a census in 1835 for all Presbyterian churches in Ireland? > Darrel Hockley > > From: Larry and Debbie MacDonald via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 9:57 AM > Subject: [CoTyIre] Thomas Cosgrove (McCusker) > > Ggrandfather William Cosgrove’s birth entry in a family bible in Scotland showed 25 Sep 1849 Drumardnagross. The writing apparently is hard to decipher (I have not seen the entry). His Scottish marriage and death give his parents as Thomas Cosgrove, labourer and Dorothy Gilmore. No one was ever aware if William had siblings. I requested PRONI search baptismal records from Kilskeery parish around 1849 for William’s baptism but it was not found. > > The above information ties in with the marriage that took place at Dromore Presbyterian church 24 April 1846 between Thomas McCusker, 26, farmer, resident of Drumardnagross, s/o Henry McCusker, farmer and Dorothea Gilmour, 24, resident of Knockaraven, d/o William Gilmour, farmer. > > The 1835 Church census for Dromore Presbyterian showed William Gilmour, his wife Mary and children Jane, Dolly (Dorothy), Margaret, Eliza, and Helen. Eliza married in 1849 in the Dromore church to John Crozier and Thomas McCusker was a witness. > > The next evidence I have of Thomas and Dorothy is the baptism of a daughter Margaret. Derryvullan church records show Irvinestown Methodist Baptism of Margaret b. 28 Feb 1853 and bap. 21 Mar 1853. Parents Thomas and Doroatha Cosgrove. I haven’t been able to trace Margaret. > > I suspect that Thomas and Dorothy also had a son Thomas born around 1855. Thomas Cosgrove, 22, shoemaker, s/o Thomas Cosgrove, labourer married 26 Jan 1880 at Dromore Presbyterian to Isabella Gilmour, 22, d/o James Gilmour, carpenter. Witnesses were John M. Price and King William Price III. King William plays a part further on in this family story. I suspect he was a cousin of Thomas’. I followed this family as they had a daughter Dorothy. She died as a child in Scotland and I have been able to find out so much information about this family but never the death of Thomas. Sometime after 1900 he vanishes. I had wanted to see his parentage from a death registration to see if he actually tied in with William. > > Griffiths Valuation and PRONI Valuation Revision Books show Thomas Cosgrove resident of Drumardnagross from 1860 until 1867 when his name is crossed out of the books. There are a number of newspaper articles with the notice of an insolvency hearing heard in Omagh in January 1869. At that time it was cleared. Irish Law Times show the petition was filed 09 Dec 1868. It further states Thomas Cosgrove of Grennan, Tyrone, herd and caretaker previously of Knockaraven, car driver, formerly of Drumardnagross, farmer. > > That is when I lose track of Thomas entirely. Death of Dorothy Cosgrove 03 Feb 1890 at Garvagh. She is a widow of a labourer, and the informant is her nephew, King W. Price. With his name as informant and also as witness to the young Thomas Cosgrove’s marriage there would seem to be a definite family connection. He was born around 1840 in Clanobogan (sp) Derry. Perhaps a sister of Dorothy’s became the second wife of King William’s father. There is a marriage between a SAmuel Price to Marianne Price in Errigal Derry in 1847 which might tie in as Marianne’s father was a William Gilmour, farmer. > > I have searched through the GRONI site trying to find a possible death for Thomas and nothing seems to fit. Can anyone suggest logical search parameters to enter into this site for Thomas’ death. > > Debbie

Hello Gerald Read your post with interest as I have a BAILEY name associated with my COLLINS family and have no earlier details on it. - Elizabeth J. BAILEY is widowed, designated as a sister of the widow Sarah COLLINS and lives with her in Philly in the 1880 US census. She is age 68 (born 1811/12) Ireland which was two years younger than Sarah in that census. Their parents also born in Ireland. - Sarah _________ (abt 1812 Ireland - 29 May 1891 Philadelphia, PA) married 1839-45 in USA to William Clarke COLLINS (1804 Desertcreat Parish, Cookstown area, Tyr. - 22 Mar 1868 Philadelphia, PA). Marriage may be William C. COLLINS & Sarah Collins on 5 Nov 1840 in Marshall Co., Tenn. by D.B. Bells, Minister of the Gospel. There were many BAILEY families in that county in the 1840 US census and William COLLINS and at least one of his male cousins was known to have been there in that time frame. They lived in Philly where he was a commission merchant in wholesale food items. Six children known of whom only William survived to maturity, married but no children are known. Using census returns 1850 to 1880, Sarah's DOB is 1822, 1815, 1815, 1810. I would like to learn the maiden name of these two sisters. I assume that Sarah's surname of Collins in the marriage record is simply the application of her husband's name as was standard in Ch. of Eng. parishes in that time frame. The above William COLLINS had an uncle and aunt William & Theresa COLLINS and cousins living at Donaghenry, Tyr. Looking forward to hearing from you. John Collins in Sarnia, Ont., Canada ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 19:20:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Gerald Bailey <g.bailey3308@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [CoTyIre] Records for William Bailey To: Kimberly McCord via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1733260783.21860.1438629628001.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 My name is Gerald Bailey and I am looking for info on William Bailey and family who came to the US on about 1828. I think that he may have lived in the Donaghenry Parish in Ireland. He had a brother David Bailey a few years younger and came to New York about two years before William. I am trying to learn just where in Ireland William Bailey lived and if any of the family is still in Ireland. William Bailey? was born about 1800 and married a Jane? Can you help? Gerry ------------------------------

Hello Kimberly My COLLINS family of early Cookstown years 1720-1850 has a connection to Donaghenry. There are two known COLLINS graves in the old Donaghenry Graveyard that are theirs plus the WEIR family which is connected by marriage. While both of these families were Presbyterian, C of I records for them would not be unusual. Is there any way to get the microfilm you mention checked for these names in any context? Also to see if the entries in it have any references to Cookstown area. Earliest known COLLINS names are James (abt 1705-1786), James (1735-1805) surg., David (abt 1740-?), John (1743-1811), and WEIR name is John (1772-1850). Both families were local merchants. Common female names in later years are Mary, Jane, Isabella, Maria. Many thanks for your posting. John Collins in Sarnia Message: 2 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:35:21 -0500 From: Kimberly McCord <kamccor@ilstu.edu> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 165 To: "cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4D7952DC-61E4-4092-83CF-A93B5F8FDC55@ilstu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, For anyone interested, I found Church of Ireland in Donaghenry Parish records going back to the early 1700's. They are on microfilm at PRONI. The records are in very poor condition and have to be read with a magnifying glass. I was able to find one very clear record that gives me some interesting information on my ancestors. Kim McCord Sent from my iPhone

I found the 1830 and 1864 church census for Dromore Presbyterian on the Emerald Ancestors website. "Church censuses as such were unknown in Presbyterian congregations, although occasionally a minister would list member families and their townlands; these are generally located in the kirk session records, but not always. Such records within Presbyterian churches are rather rare. Where they have survived they are recorded within PRONI's online Guide to Church Records."

I notice the below mentions a 1835 Church census for Dromore Presbyterian Church. Was there a census in 1835 for all Presbyterian churches in Ireland? Darrel Hockley From: Larry and Debbie MacDonald via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 9:57 AM Subject: [CoTyIre] Thomas Cosgrove (McCusker) Ggrandfather William Cosgrove’s birth entry in a family bible in Scotland showed 25 Sep 1849 Drumardnagross.  The writing apparently is hard to decipher (I have not seen the entry).  His Scottish marriage and death give his parents as Thomas Cosgrove, labourer and Dorothy Gilmore.  No one was ever aware if William had siblings.  I requested PRONI search baptismal records from Kilskeery parish around 1849 for William’s baptism but it was not found. The above information ties in with the marriage that took place at Dromore Presbyterian church 24 April 1846 between Thomas McCusker, 26, farmer, resident of Drumardnagross, s/o Henry McCusker, farmer and Dorothea Gilmour, 24, resident of Knockaraven, d/o William Gilmour, farmer.  The 1835 Church census for Dromore Presbyterian showed William Gilmour, his wife Mary and children Jane, Dolly (Dorothy), Margaret, Eliza, and Helen.  Eliza married in 1849 in the Dromore church to John Crozier and Thomas McCusker was a witness. The next evidence I have of Thomas and Dorothy is the baptism of a daughter Margaret.  Derryvullan church records show Irvinestown Methodist Baptism of Margaret b. 28 Feb 1853 and bap. 21 Mar 1853.  Parents Thomas and Doroatha Cosgrove.  I haven’t been able to trace Margaret. I suspect that Thomas and Dorothy also had a son Thomas born around 1855.  Thomas Cosgrove, 22, shoemaker, s/o Thomas Cosgrove, labourer married 26 Jan 1880 at Dromore Presbyterian to Isabella Gilmour, 22, d/o James Gilmour, carpenter.  Witnesses were John M. Price and King William Price III.  King William plays a part further on in this family story.  I suspect he was a cousin of Thomas’.  I followed this family as they had a daughter Dorothy.  She died as a child in Scotland and I have been able to find out so much information about this family but never the death of Thomas.  Sometime after 1900 he vanishes.  I had wanted to see his parentage from a death registration to see if he actually tied in with William. Griffiths Valuation and PRONI Valuation Revision Books show Thomas Cosgrove resident of Drumardnagross from 1860 until 1867 when his name is crossed out of the books.  There are a number of newspaper articles with the notice of an insolvency hearing heard in Omagh in January 1869.  At that time it was cleared.  Irish Law Times show the petition was filed 09 Dec 1868.  It further states Thomas Cosgrove of Grennan, Tyrone, herd and caretaker previously of Knockaraven, car driver, formerly of Drumardnagross, farmer. That is when I lose track of Thomas entirely.  Death of Dorothy Cosgrove 03 Feb 1890 at Garvagh.  She is a widow of a labourer, and the informant is her nephew, King W. Price.  With his name as informant and also as witness to the young Thomas Cosgrove’s marriage there would seem to be a definite family connection.  He was born around 1840 in Clanobogan (sp) Derry.  Perhaps a sister of Dorothy’s became the second wife of King William’s father.  There is a marriage between a SAmuel Price to Marianne Price in Errigal Derry in 1847 which might tie in as Marianne’s father was a William Gilmour, farmer. I have searched through the GRONI site trying to find a possible death for Thomas and nothing seems to fit.  Can anyone suggest logical search parameters to enter into this site for Thomas’ death. Debbie ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ggrandfather William Cosgrove’s birth entry in a family bible in Scotland showed 25 Sep 1849 Drumardnagross. The writing apparently is hard to decipher (I have not seen the entry). His Scottish marriage and death give his parents as Thomas Cosgrove, labourer and Dorothy Gilmore. No one was ever aware if William had siblings. I requested PRONI search baptismal records from Kilskeery parish around 1849 for William’s baptism but it was not found. The above information ties in with the marriage that took place at Dromore Presbyterian church 24 April 1846 between Thomas McCusker, 26, farmer, resident of Drumardnagross, s/o Henry McCusker, farmer and Dorothea Gilmour, 24, resident of Knockaraven, d/o William Gilmour, farmer. The 1835 Church census for Dromore Presbyterian showed William Gilmour, his wife Mary and children Jane, Dolly (Dorothy), Margaret, Eliza, and Helen. Eliza married in 1849 in the Dromore church to John Crozier and Thomas McCusker was a witness. The next evidence I have of Thomas and Dorothy is the baptism of a daughter Margaret. Derryvullan church records show Irvinestown Methodist Baptism of Margaret b. 28 Feb 1853 and bap. 21 Mar 1853. Parents Thomas and Doroatha Cosgrove. I haven’t been able to trace Margaret. I suspect that Thomas and Dorothy also had a son Thomas born around 1855. Thomas Cosgrove, 22, shoemaker, s/o Thomas Cosgrove, labourer married 26 Jan 1880 at Dromore Presbyterian to Isabella Gilmour, 22, d/o James Gilmour, carpenter. Witnesses were John M. Price and King William Price III. King William plays a part further on in this family story. I suspect he was a cousin of Thomas’. I followed this family as they had a daughter Dorothy. She died as a child in Scotland and I have been able to find out so much information about this family but never the death of Thomas. Sometime after 1900 he vanishes. I had wanted to see his parentage from a death registration to see if he actually tied in with William. Griffiths Valuation and PRONI Valuation Revision Books show Thomas Cosgrove resident of Drumardnagross from 1860 until 1867 when his name is crossed out of the books. There are a number of newspaper articles with the notice of an insolvency hearing heard in Omagh in January 1869. At that time it was cleared. Irish Law Times show the petition was filed 09 Dec 1868. It further states Thomas Cosgrove of Grennan, Tyrone, herd and caretaker previously of Knockaraven, car driver, formerly of Drumardnagross, farmer. That is when I lose track of Thomas entirely. Death of Dorothy Cosgrove 03 Feb 1890 at Garvagh. She is a widow of a labourer, and the informant is her nephew, King W. Price. With his name as informant and also as witness to the young Thomas Cosgrove’s marriage there would seem to be a definite family connection. He was born around 1840 in Clanobogan (sp) Derry. Perhaps a sister of Dorothy’s became the second wife of King William’s father. There is a marriage between a SAmuel Price to Marianne Price in Errigal Derry in 1847 which might tie in as Marianne’s father was a William Gilmour, farmer. I have searched through the GRONI site trying to find a possible death for Thomas and nothing seems to fit. Can anyone suggest logical search parameters to enter into this site for Thomas’ death. Debbie

My name is Gerald Bailey and I am looking for info on William Bailey and family who came to the US on about 1828. I think that he may have lived in the Donaghenry Parish in Ireland. He had a brother David Bailey a few years younger and came to New York about two years before William. I am trying to learn just where in Ireland William Bailey lived and if any of the family is still in Ireland. William Bailey  was born about 1800 and married a Jane? Can you help? Gerry

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Thanks for all the information.  I just looked at PRONI website for RC records for Clogher.  I could only find the film number MIC1/10 (Vols 204) but unfortunately no dates were shown. Are the films PRONI has the same as the NLI? Happy Hunting,Ellen

Hi, For anyone interested, I found Church of Ireland in Donaghenry Parish records going back to the early 1700's. They are on microfilm at PRONI. The records are in very poor condition and have to be read with a magnifying glass. I was able to find one very clear record that gives me some interesting information on my ancestors. Kim McCord Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2015, at 2:00 AM, cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or wish to search or browse the archives or unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links and instructions. See http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our associated web site. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Clogher baptism records (Jo genealogy BT) > 2. Re: Clogher baptism records (Len Swindley) > 3. Re: Clogher baptism records (Len Swindley) > 4. Re: Clogher baptism records (Ellen Elliott) > 5. FW: baptism/birth records (Ulster Ancestry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:54:41 +0100 > From: "Jo genealogy BT" <jo.genealogy@btinternet.com> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B47E5B41AD2C4F0188F8158D95FBBBB7@Jonewlaptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Is this for C of I records as I have some for Clogher C of I that I copied > from PRONI a few years ago? > What is the name you are looking for? > > -----Original Message----- > From: eamonn teague <eamonnteague@eircom.net> > Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records > To: COTYRONEIRELAND <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <20841928.260838.1438455243427.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Folks, > > does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. Tyrone > exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI have records from > 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held earlier > records ???? > if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for someone who I > have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 22:45:52 +1000 > From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > To: "COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU181-W4047E48FEFC3AC029078B1E0880@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I think you are referring to RC records as the NLI does not hold films of C of I registers (these are held at the NAI). > > The earliest surviving records for the Catholic parish of Clogher have been filmed by PRONI: > > Aughintain (Fivemiletown Chapel); Baptisms 1870-81, Marriages 1870-83 > > Clogher Chapel; Baptisms 1856-81, Marriages 1825-35 & 1840-81 > > Hope this helps, > > Len Swindley, > Melbourne, Australia > > > >> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:54:41 +0100 >> Subject: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >> From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> >> Is this for C of I records as I have some for Clogher C of I that I copied >> from PRONI a few years ago? >> What is the name you are looking for? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: eamonn teague <eamonnteague@eircom.net> >> Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records >> To: COTYRONEIRELAND <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <20841928.260838.1438455243427.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Folks, >> >> does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. Tyrone >> exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI have records from >> 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held earlier >> records ???? >> if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for someone who I >> have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? >> >> >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 23:34:14 +1000 > From: Len Swindley <len_swindley@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > To: "COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU181-W60CE7EE20F103E0EE83D5AE0880@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > PRONI Guide to Church Records records any registers/ records that await filming and the years covered and are still held at the local church, but in the case of Clogher no such comment is contained within the entry. > > As neither NLI and PRONI have filmed them it must be assumed that the baptisms were not recorded or the register has been destroyed. There was no legal compunction to maintain registers. This changed upon the introduction of civil registration in 1864 when the responsibility of recording BMDs became the responsibility of the State. > > As an example, I can quote the records for the church attended by my forebears; there are no surviving records prior to 1865. > > Hope this clarifies the situation, > > Len Swindley, > Melbourne, Australia > > > >> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:03:53 +0100 >> From: eamonnteague@eircom.net >> To: len_swindley@hotmail.com >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >> >> Thanks Len, its the Clogher ones I looked at. Do you know if the parish holds any earlier records locally that haven't been shared with NLI ? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Len Swindley via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >> To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:45:52 +0100 (IST) >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >> >> I think you are referring to RC records as the NLI does not hold films of C of I registers (these are held at the NAI). >> >> The earliest surviving records for the Catholic parish of Clogher have been filmed by PRONI: >> >> Aughintain (Fivemiletown Chapel); Baptisms 1870-81, Marriages 1870-83 >> >> Clogher Chapel; Baptisms 1856-81, Marriages 1825-35 & 1840-81 >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Len Swindley, >> Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> >>> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:54:41 +0100 >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >>> From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Is this for C of I records as I have some for Clogher C of I that I copied >>> from PRONI a few years ago? >>> What is the name you are looking for? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: eamonn teague <eamonnteague@eircom.net> >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records >>> To: COTYRONEIRELAND <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <20841928.260838.1438455243427.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. Tyrone >>> exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI have records from >>> 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held earlier >>> records ???? >>> if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for someone who I >>> have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 10:37:18 -0400 > From: "Ellen Elliott" <ee@ellenelliott.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001d0cd30$bbf3dd70$33db9850$@ellenelliott.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > This might help - > > On July 8, 2015, Catholic records were released to view and for free at: > > http://registers.nli.ie/ > > Baptism, Marriages, Burials for most, not all of the Parishes (nice map to > help you figure out most likely parishes. Bad news if you don't have a clue > where your folks lived). > > Not all years for all records are represented. In fact, some parish > years/records are quite skimpy. > Some of the records were written by a person whose handwritten skills > created a work of art. Most were not. Many are barely legible or > decipherable. > If that weren't enough, you have to go through page by page as they are not > indexed. > > And even if you find someone who sort of fits the bill, how can you be sure > if you don't have other supporting documentation? > Example: marriage record where the couple's names are 'right' (but common), > the timeframe is within reason, but with no parent's names provided (and you > didn't know them anyway) how can you be sure it's your couple? > > Still, I can do it at home and not have spent the money to fly across the > pond to sit at PRONI going through microfilm. > When I do go over, hopefully, I'll have nailed at least the village so I can > stand on the old sod (along with going through microfilm) > <sign> so little time, so many scans. > > The website FAQs - http://registers.nli.ie/help. > > This link may be of some use, > https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Ireland_Catholic_Church_Records. > > And if any of you nice folks run across a Hugh Treanor or Catherine Sherlock > - please give me a shout. :-) > > Ellen > Virginia USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Len Swindley via > Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 9:34 AM > To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > > PRONI Guide to Church Records records any registers/ records that await > filming and the years covered and are still held at the local church, but in > the case of Clogher no such comment is contained within the entry. > > As neither NLI and PRONI have filmed them it must be assumed that the > baptisms were not recorded or the register has been destroyed. There was no > legal compunction to maintain registers. This changed upon the introduction > of civil registration in 1864 when the responsibility of recording BMDs > became the responsibility of the State. > > As an example, I can quote the records for the church attended by my > forebears; there are no surviving records prior to 1865. > > Hope this clarifies the situation, > > Len Swindley, > Melbourne, Australia > > > >> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:03:53 +0100 >> From: eamonnteague@eircom.net >> To: len_swindley@hotmail.com >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >> >> Thanks Len, its the Clogher ones I looked at. Do you know if the parish > holds any earlier records locally that haven't been shared with NLI ? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Len Swindley via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >> To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:45:52 +0100 (IST) >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >> >> I think you are referring to RC records as the NLI does not hold films of > C of I registers (these are held at the NAI). >> >> The earliest surviving records for the Catholic parish of Clogher have > been filmed by PRONI: >> >> Aughintain (Fivemiletown Chapel); Baptisms 1870-81, Marriages 1870-83 >> >> Clogher Chapel; Baptisms 1856-81, Marriages 1825-35 & 1840-81 >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Len Swindley, >> Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> >>> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:54:41 +0100 >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records >>> From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Is this for C of I records as I have some for Clogher C of I that I >>> copied from PRONI a few years ago? >>> What is the name you are looking for? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: eamonn teague <eamonnteague@eircom.net> >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records >>> To: COTYRONEIRELAND <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: >>> <20841928.260838.1438455243427.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. >>> Tyrone exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI >>> have records from >>> 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held >>> earlier records ???? >>> if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for >>> someone who I have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:41:18 +0000 > From: Ulster Ancestry <ulsterancestry@hotmail.com> > Subject: [CoTyIre] FW: baptism/birth records > To: "cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com" <cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DUB114-W918E5417D5BE9CE926DAA8C3880@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Eamonn > I take it, as you mention the NLI, that it's Clogher Catholic records you are refering to. > The following are available as public records. You would need to contact the Church directly to see if they have anything earlier in local custody > > R.C. Aughintaine [sic Aghintain] (Fivemiletown) (Clogher diocese) > > Baptisms, 1870-1881; marriages, 1870-83. > > > > R.C. Clogher (Clogher diocese) > > Baptisms, 1856-1881; marriages, 1825-35 and 1840-81. > Contact details from their website are > Clogher Diocesan Office > > Phone{ROI} 047 81019 > > > Email diocesanoffice@clogherdiocese.ie > > > > > best regards > Robert > > >> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 19:54:03 +0100 >> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records >> From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> >> Folks, >> >> does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. Tyrone exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI have records from 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held earlier records ???? >> if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for someone who I have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 165 > ************************************************

PRONI Guide to Church Records records any registers/ records that await filming and the years covered and are still held at the local church, but in the case of Clogher no such comment is contained within the entry. As neither NLI and PRONI have filmed them it must be assumed that the baptisms were not recorded or the register has been destroyed. There was no legal compunction to maintain registers. This changed upon the introduction of civil registration in 1864 when the responsibility of recording BMDs became the responsibility of the State. As an example, I can quote the records for the church attended by my forebears; there are no surviving records prior to 1865. Hope this clarifies the situation, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:03:53 +0100 > From: eamonnteague@eircom.net > To: len_swindley@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > > Thanks Len, its the Clogher ones I looked at. Do you know if the parish holds any earlier records locally that haven't been shared with NLI ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Len Swindley via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 13:45:52 +0100 (IST) > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > > I think you are referring to RC records as the NLI does not hold films of C of I registers (these are held at the NAI). > > The earliest surviving records for the Catholic parish of Clogher have been filmed by PRONI: > > Aughintain (Fivemiletown Chapel); Baptisms 1870-81, Marriages 1870-83 > > Clogher Chapel; Baptisms 1856-81, Marriages 1825-35 & 1840-81 > > Hope this helps, > > Len Swindley, > Melbourne, Australia > > > > > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:54:41 +0100 > > Subject: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > > > Is this for C of I records as I have some for Clogher C of I that I copied > > from PRONI a few years ago? > > What is the name you are looking for? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eamonn teague <eamonnteague@eircom.net> > > Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records > > To: COTYRONEIRELAND <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <20841928.260838.1438455243427.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Folks, > > > > does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. Tyrone > > exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI have records from > > 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held earlier > > records ???? > > if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for someone who I > > have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? > > > > > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think you are referring to RC records as the NLI does not hold films of C of I registers (these are held at the NAI). The earliest surviving records for the Catholic parish of Clogher have been filmed by PRONI: Aughintain (Fivemiletown Chapel); Baptisms 1870-81, Marriages 1870-83 Clogher Chapel; Baptisms 1856-81, Marriages 1825-35 & 1840-81 Hope this helps, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 08:54:41 +0100 > Subject: [CoTyIre] Clogher baptism records > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > Is this for C of I records as I have some for Clogher C of I that I copied > from PRONI a few years ago? > What is the name you are looking for? > > -----Original Message----- > From: eamonn teague <eamonnteague@eircom.net> > Subject: [CoTyIre] baptism/birth records > To: COTYRONEIRELAND <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <20841928.260838.1438455243427.JavaMail.zimbra@eircom.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Folks, > > does anyone know if baptism records for the parish of Clogher Co. Tyrone > exist for the period 1825 - 1835 ? the records in the NLI have records from > 1853 on but I was wondering if the church might have locally held earlier > records ???? > if not any hints on how to find parental records/evidence for someone who I > have a marriage record for in that parish in 1853 ? > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message