A male family member did the DNA test for our Kyle line - came back with all 37 markers a perfect match to the Kyle line of Robert Kyle, 1690 - 1783, of Co. Tyrone, Ireland who married Margaret Maxwell. Both Robert and Margaret were born and died in Tyrone Co.. A son, Joseph, b/ 1736 Co. Tyrone, d. 1783 Berkeley Co., Va., came to America and settled in Lancaster Co., Pa, then moved to Berkeley Co., Va., where he married Nancy Agnes Salisbury. Does anyone have any info about this Robert Kyle? Did Robert and Margaret have any other children than Joseph? I believe Robert's father was James Kyle, b. 1663, Co. Tyrone, and mother's name is unknown. When Robert died in 1783 he supposedly left quite a large estate. Was it common practice to write wills then, and if so, how would I go about getting a copy of Robert's will? Sincerely, Kathryn Kyle Hall >_kimcarlee@aol.com_ (mailto:.kimcarlee@aol.com) < **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

This link appeared on the Fermanagh Gold Mailing List last week. It is a terrific explanation of Griffiths, and well worth reading and saving. http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/more_to_griffiths.html Margaret

Hello Paul. Sorry to sound like a traitor to this list (LOL), but have you also tried the rootsweb Fermanagh Gold list? My main reason for asking you that question, is because the List Administrator of Fermanagh Gold is Don KELLY; and from his postings about that surname, it seems that he know a LOT about the family. Good Luck. Ray in oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Kelly" <rootsdigger05@comcast.net> ... I am looking for any information on John Kelly, b. @ 1839, County Tyrone. ...

A lane runs alongside Second Castlederg Presbyterian Church in Castlederg. It's called Meetinghouse Lane. Colin. At Castlederg, Co Tyrone, > the First Castlederg Presbyterian Church was built outside the town in > 1700. > The Second Castlederg Church, which is still known as the Meetinghouse, > was > built inside the town boundary in 1791. >

Hello fellow County Tyrone listers! I am looking for any information on John Kelly, b. @ 1839, County Tyrone. Emigrated @ 1859 to New York City. Joined Company K, 4th US Infantry, July 19, 1859, New York City. Married Catherine McKenny, daughter of Frank McKenny and Ann Barrett, January 1, 1866, St. Mathews Catholic Church, Wasington, D.C. They had 11 children: Margaret Ann (1867-1943), Frank Bernard (1868-1944), Hugh Patrick (1870-1924), Catherine Mary (1872-?), John Thomas (1873-?), Rose Helen (1875-?), Mary V. (1876-?), Charles Jacob (1878-1913), John Joseph (1880-?), Thomas Vincent E. (1882-1947), and Gertrude (1886-?). I am descended from Frank Bernard Kelly, who was one of the original 33 members of the United States Secret Service, established to serve and protect the office of President of the United States of America. Any information that anyone can provide in tracking down what parish my John Kelly was from would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much! Paul Kelly "Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought." ~ Albert Szent-Gyorgyi My Genealogy Web Pages: http://rootsdigger.org/ What do you know about 9/11? <http://rootsdigger.org/wordpress> http://rootsdigger.org/wordpress

Hello Cunningham. Thank you very much for posting this most informative message. Your explanation about the Presbyterians' "churches" being built outside the town limits, now answers something which I have long pondered about the PARISH of Donaghmore Presbyterian Church in County DONEGAL, as to why it is located so far out of Castlefin town. Thank you for clearing that up for me; as well as for your overview of the whole situation. Similarly, I was unaware on the religious restriction on entry to TCD; for which I also thank you. Regards: Ray across the Tasman Sea from you in Oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Atchison" <atchis1@ihug.co.nz> To: "'Patricia Moosman'" <pat.moosman@clear.net.nz>; "'Theresa Forsyth'" <forsyththeresa@hotmail.com>; "'Mailing Tyrone'" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:52 PM Subject: [CoTyIre] Re Meeting Houses ... A further restriction was in regard to where the worship place could be > built. One finds the Nonconformist, and Catholic Churches were built > outside > the town boundaries. The C of E, or C of I, church which looked like a > church would be built at the centre of the town. At Castlederg, Co Tyrone, > the First Castlederg Presbyterian Church was built outside the town in > 1700. > The Second Castlederg Church, which is still known as the Meetinghouse, > was > built inside the town boundary in 1791. > > Another factor was education, in that, only Church Ireland members could > attend University in Dublin. ... Cunningham ATCHISON Auckland, NZ

The term meeting house normally refers to Presbyterian Church buildings of an earlier time but some churches are still referred to as Meeting Houses. In 1661 the Penal Laws against dissenters were imposed. The established church being the Church of Ireland (i.e. Anglican or Episcopalian). All had to pay tithes to the established church and in some circumstances were forced to attend the established church - and this was in addition to supporting their own church and minister. Further Presbyterians, etc were not allowed to hold government office, vote, nor was lawful to be married or baptised by a Presbyterian Ministers. The Presbyterian churches were not allowed to look like church, meaning no Steeple or Tower, Bell, or stained glass. At the Ulster Folk Museum at Omagh is the "Mellon" Meeting house - a building arranged inside with the preaching and "sanctuary" area in the centre with the pews arranged around in a square facing the centre. A further restriction was in regard to where the worship place could be built. One finds the Nonconformist, and Catholic Churches were built outside the town boundaries. The C of E, or C of I, church which looked like a church would be built at the centre of the town. At Castlederg, Co Tyrone, the First Castlederg Presbyterian Church was built outside the town in 1700. The Second Castlederg Church, which is still known as the Meetinghouse, was built inside the town boundary in 1791. Another factor was education, in that, only Church Ireland members could attend University in Dublin. Realise that all these laws applied to England. Scotland, was of course more enlightened and was open to Presbyterians (Church of Scotland) though there were restriction on non C of E to public office. This meant that most Irish Presbyterian ministers were trained in Scotland and similarly were Doctors. All restrictions were officially lifted in 1848, though some restrictions still applied to Catholics. There were individuals who converted to C of E to for pragmatic reasons. An interesting facet of this in my family in Australia. The Rev Cunningham Atchison (my GGG uncle) born in Castlederg, Co Tyrone 1803 trained for the ministry in Edinburgh. In 1837, he was called by Rev John Dunmore Lang to the colony of New South Wales, along with 18 or so other Presbyterian Ministers from Scotland and Ireland. 1840-64 he was ministered at Wollongong, NSW. During his ministry the NSW Govt. made a grant to all churches of most denominations. Atchison chose to use the grant to erect a steeple on the church building. There was some dissent in the community over this decision as it was felt there were more worthy causes this money could be used for. The Steeple or Tower become known at "Atchison's Folly". Was his reasoning that he wanted his church to actually look like church and not a meeting house? Regards Cunningham ATCHISON Auckland, NZ -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia Moosman Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:34 AM To: 'Theresa Forsyth'; 'Mailing Tyrone' Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] GLASGOW/SLOAN Marriage -----Original Message----- Meeting House is what they called the church building back then The church was the whole thing parishioners and everything and meeting house was what we now call a church This was explained to me a minister in Ireland Patricia New Zealand ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- Meeting House is what they called the church building back then The church was the whole thing parishioners and everything and meeting house was what we now call a church This was explained to me a minister in Ireland Patricia New Zealand

I have been trying to locate Glasgows in Ballyclog for over 20 years. This is the first time I have seen the name Glasgow connected to Ballyclog on this or any other list. Can you email me with info that you have on this Robert Glasgow married in 1857. He may be related to my Glasgows. My Glasgows were born in Ballyclog in 1822 and 1823 John and James-brothers. I have not been able to make any connection to that townland. They left Ireland in 1852 and c. 1849. I have no other info on them in Ireland. Do you have any info on this Robert's parents, bros and sisters, cousins, uncles - any Glasgow connection? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Mary Glasgow Gouger ____________________________________________________________ Get the shot you need with a discreet new spy camera. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/Ioyw6i4twdBEYy02qoqYtxe1sVvM1BWxDwcwcCZJCHqAPOgfiB2NCW/

Hi Vicki You wrote 'GLASGOW and SLOAN(E) Marriage 1857. I am hoping that someone will be able to help me with my request for deciphering where the marriage took place.> > I don't have a copy of the actual certificate but have seen a copy, which is not very clear. > > The top line reads along the lines Marriage Register books of Bei? Muting" House County Tyrone.' Emerald Ancestors have details of this marriage as follows: Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 15 Sep 1857 Groom Name robert GLASGOW Bride Name anne SLOAN Church Brigh Presbyterian Church Parish Ballyclog Civil District Cookstown County Tyrone A copy of the actual record can be ordered through Emerald Ancestors for £12. A copy can also be obtained directly from the GRO. Again, the cost is £12. Details can be found on their website http://www.groni.gov.uk/ A full certificate will give the names and occupations of both the bride and groom's father, their residences and their occupations as well as the names of the witnesses. I hope this helps. CheersTheresa _________________________________________________________________ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s & Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354033/direct/01/

looking for any information ,on Nixon Family from Aughter,all i have is Patrick,born 1876 to Rose Nixon,Patrick i believe went to Birr Co offaly early 1900s where he was a school teacher he died 1950s,any news or would love to hear from anyone researching same terry

Hello I am hopine that someone will be able to help me with my request for deciphering where the marriage took place. I don't have a copy of the actual certificate but have seen a copy, which is not very clear. The top line reads along the lines Marriage Register books of Bei? Muting" House County Tyrone. I have discovered that the site Irish Family History Foundation have a record of the marriage but before I spend 5 euros to discover that what I get is a transcription and not a copy of the acutal certificate. Can someone adivse what the acutal records look like that they have on their site? Regards Vicki Otorohanga New Zealand

The second word is probably "Meeting" as in Meeting house. There are two other places where you'll want to decipher the placenames and that is the place of residence for teh bride and groom which is in the middle of the certificate. <<The top line reads along the lines Marriage Register books of Bei? Muting" House County Tyrone.>> Clare L. -----Original Message----- From: Vicki Harding <vlharding@xtra.co.nz> To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 6:35 pm Subject: [CoTyIre] GLASGOW and SLOAN(E) marriage 1857 Hello I am hopine that someone will be able to help me with my request for deciphering where the marriage took place. I don't have a copy of the actual certificate but have seen a copy, which is not very clear. The top line reads along the lines Marriage Register books of Bei? Muting" House County Tyrone. I have discovered that the site Irish Family History Foundation have a record of the marriage but before I spend 5 euros to discover that what I get is a transcription and not a copy of the acutal certificate. Can someone adivse what the acutal records look like that they have on their site? Regards Vicki Otorohanga New Zealand

Hi Jim So pleased you got that information from Rev Henderson, he was also most helpful to me But The St James COI cemetery is news to me I will have to look into that as well. The Church at Aughnacloy has been there foe along time I will have to hunt the information out for you but when I asked would this be the same church my ancestors married in 1858/1862 period he advised that part of it would have been and gave me the date for the oldest part Will let you know Patricia New Zealand

I think you will find there are more years covered at PRONI. Last year I searched Film MIC/1P/38 1-4. My notes tell me I couldn't really read No. 1 but I have recorded marriages up to 1853 and births to 1890s. I also searched MIC/1/326 1-5 which is Aghaloo Church of Ireland (without much success I must admit) and then searched MIC/583/27 being Carnteel C of I also without much success regarding my family. Margaret in Oz. Research interests: WILSON/HAMILTON/MILLER - Co. Tyrone - N.Ireland MORROW/ALLINGHAM/ARMSTRONG/JOHNSTON/CLINTON - Co. Fermanagh N. Irl. BARNES/WHYBROW - Co.Cambridge, Norfolk England DURHAM/WRIGHT - Aberdeen,Wick,Thurso, Scotland COLLINS/ALLEN/HOCKING - Co. Cornwall, England

You need the 44 and the 28 in front of the local phone number (which is an 8-digit number now) The country code for Northern Ireland is 44 (U.K.) All numbers in Northern Ireland start with 028. When dialing from the United States do not use the zero. >From the USA dial 011 - 44 then 28 + the phone number. -Clare L. -----Original Message----- From: Jim White <jimwhite3@comcast.net> To: Co Tyrone Mailing List <cotyroneireland-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 4:43 pm Subject: [CoTyIre] Telephoning Tyrone from USA Hi List: What is ther correct country code to use, when phoning Tyrone from the USA ? Is it 44 or 28, or what is the corect number ? Is the Aughnacloy region code 777 ? Kindest Regards Jim White Naples, Florida

Subject: Records held at St James C of I In reference to the item below are you referring to St. James of Donegheady? Hi Jim So pleased you got that information from Rev Henderson, he was also most helpful to me But The St James COI cemetery is news to me I will have to look into that as well. The Church at Aughnacloy has been there foe along time I will have to hunt the information out for you but when I asked would this be the same church my ancestors married in 1858/1862 period he advised that part of it would have been and gave me the date for the oldest part Will let you know Patricia New Zealand ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Kevin. Welcome back. Things have been a bit quiet around here lately, so I for one will look forward to your contributions. It is nice that you are able to compliment the PRONI staff in such a way. I hope that someone will provide this back to them as independent feed-back. Ray in Oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: <transzen@comcast.net> To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [CoTyIre] P.R.O.N.I. Hello Folks, It has been a while since I last posted to the group. Since my last posting last August, I have visited and researched in Ireland twice. Both times, I found the staff at P.R.O.N.I., excellent and helpful. They completely understood that it took me about a day to become familiar with the finding aids and system. They were very patient and advised me as to which records to search for the most promising results. I hope to begin posting more frequently, and contributing to the list as I can. Cheers, Kevin

I happened to "Google"- "Gilpin, Corkhill, Northern Ireland", which brought up NIR- ARMAGH- L ARCHIVES. I am keen to know more about my ancestry. My mother's great grand parents were John and Mary (nee Allen) Gilpin. Their son, William married Diana(Dinah?) Barton(Carrick & Mulkin?_) I see reference( No. 15) to Oliver Gilpin (Fourth child of William and Dinah) If you have any information on John and Mary, their ancestry, and when William came to Australia. William and Dinah parented 7 children,2nd of whom was my grandmother(who died before I arrived on the scene) I am married to Sue and we have three boys, one who lives in New South Wales, One in South Australia and one in Victoria where we live. We live in a semi- rural area(Yarra Valley- 70km out of Melbourne) I see N_Percival authored the notes. Where do you fit ?- Gilpin or Robinson? I look forward to hearing from you, Yours warmly, David Hoffman

Hi List: What is ther correct country code to use, when phoning Tyrone from the USA ? Is it 44 or 28, or what is the corect number ? Is the Aughnacloy region code 777 ? Kindest Regards Jim White Naples, Florida