Hi Listers, I am interested in the folloing names who are listed in the book "The Laggan Army" by McKenny as landholders in 1641 : Daniel MacKeyes Protestant, 80 profitable acres of non forteited land, Leased from Others in Barony of Strabane, County of Tyrone Protestant, 80 profitable acres of non forteited land, Leased from Others in Barony of Strabane, County of Tyrone Hugh MacKeyes Protestant 66 profitable acres of non forteited land, held by self, in Barony of Raphoe, County of Donegal John MacKeyes Protestant 66 profitable acres of non forteited land, held by self, in Barony of Raphoe, County of Donegal Richard MacKeyes Protestant 66 profitable acres of non forteited land, held by self, in Barony of Raphoe, County of Donegal There is also a James MacKie who held 45 acres of profitable land owned by himself in Raphoe, Donegal. The lands occupied by Hugh and John were within the grant of Sir William Hamilton, presumably the 3rd son of James, first Earl of Abercorn and holding the title of Baronet. I have further discovered that an article published recently deals with the Hamilton estate in Ulster (William Roulston, 'The evolution of the Abercorn estate in north west Ulster 1610-1703,' Familia 15 (1999) 54-67.) Does anyone have access to this journal and this article in particular? Can you point to sources (apart from the Abercorn papers themselves, at PRONI) which might shed light on these individuals, their ancestors and descendants? Thank you for your attention. Roy

Sounds like a phishing expedition by a hacker. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: <cagthe@comcast.net> To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [CoTyIre] How to Unsub > Hi listers, > > I've just had a couple of unsubscribe requests from an email address that > is not subscribed to the list. It could be some weird attempt to get a > response (to identify a live account address for future spamming), but it > may be that one of you is trying to unsubscribe -- maybe it's a legitimate > request, in other words. Just in case it's legit, I thought I'd send this > reminder. > > If you want to unsubscribe, be sure to use the same email address that is > subscribed to the list. > > Be sure to send your request in plain text -- turn off the HTML. > > Send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) in the subject and > body of the email to CoTyroneIreland-request@rootsweb.com -- note the > "-request" part of the address. (In other words, do NOT send your request > to the same address you use to post a message to the list, the > CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com address -- but be sure to add the "-request" > part of the address before the "@" sign). > > I don't want to see any of you go, but if you have to, please be sure to > send the request in the proper form to the proper address. > > Thanks! > > Claire K. > CTI List Admin > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Theresa, Yes, I am actually aware of these transcriptions, mainly because the lady at my FHC spends most of her time transcribing them when I am there! Quite how the issue of the NI BMD index records post 1922 will be resolved I do not know. I would be delighted if the GRO was not the only repository of this data because quite apart from the money it charges, I do not find the people there particularily helpful. This issue has been aired before on this List. The Mormons are always much more friendly and helpful. Regards, B -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Theresa Forsyth Sent: 12 October 2008 16:06 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] GRO Records Hi Boyd Re 'GRO in Belfast has sequestered from the Family History Centre (the Mormons) in Derry' Whilst I'm not sure what this could be about, I can tell you that LDS have had indexers transcribing all the indexes of births, deaths and marriages for Ireland, from 1864 to 1958 as well as non Roman Catholic marriages from 1845 to 1864. These indexes are meant to be going online at LDS site sometime in the near future as the transcription of them is now complete. On the pilot site with data from other countries that has already been transcribed and uploaded, the original images are also available for many of them. I would imagine that the transcriptions of the images of the Ireland indexes will still be available even if the images arent. As I'm one of the indexers on the current LDS transcription project, I'll email them to see if they can clarify what's happening. Anyone who is interested in seeing what new records have already been transcribed and are available to search and look at images can find them at http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=119731 1563597#p=0 Cheers Theresa _________________________________________________________________ Win New York holidays with Kellogg's & Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354033/direct/01/ ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Boyd Re 'GRO in Belfast has sequestered from the Family History Centre (the Mormons) in Derry' Whilst I'm not sure what this could be about, I can tell you that LDS have had indexers transcribing all the indexes of births, deaths and marriages for Ireland, from 1864 to 1958 as well as non Roman Catholic marriages from 1845 to 1864. These indexes are meant to be going online at LDS site sometime in the near future as the transcription of them is now complete. On the pilot site with data from other countries that has already been transcribed and uploaded, the original images are also available for many of them. I would imagine that the transcriptions of the images of the Ireland indexes will still be available even if the images arent. As I'm one of the indexers on the current LDS transcription project, I'll email them to see if they can clarify what's happening. Anyone who is interested in seeing what new records have already been transcribed and are available to search and look at images can find them at http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1197311563597#p=0 Cheers Theresa _________________________________________________________________ Win New York holidays with Kellogg’s & Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354033/direct/01/

Hi Listers, Just thought you might like to know that the GRO in Belfast has sequestered from the Family History Centre (the Mormons) in Derry, the microfilms of all Northern Ireland Civil Births, Marriages and Deaths post Partition in 1922, which they had allowed the FHC to copy some 20 years ago. I wonder why. You don't think it mught be that they wish to have exclusive access to these records so that they can sell them at extortionate rates? There is only one word to describe that and I will not sully your delicate ears with it but it is the word that unsympathetic Nineteenth century clergymen sometimes used in their baptismal registers to describe the progeny of illegitimate relationships. Makes me want to spit. Regards, Boyd PS: does everyone out there know what IS available at the FHC in Derry, because it is one of the best centres for genealogical records outside Belfast.

Try familyhistory.com to find out. B

Yeah, keep your backs to the walls...and don't bend over to pick up the soap... Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: <boydgray26@utvinternet.com> To: <nir-derry@rootsweb.com>; <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: [NIR-DERRY] The GRO > > Hi Listers, > > Just thought you might like to know that the GRO in Belfast has > sequestered > from the Family History Centre (the Mormons) in Derry, the microfilms of > all > Northern Ireland Civil Births, Marriages and Deaths post Partition in > 1922, > which they had allowed the FHC to copy some 20 years ago. I wonder why. > You don't think it mught be that they wish to have exclusive access to > these > records so that they can sell them at extortionate rates? There is only > one > word to describe that and I will not sully your delicate ears with it but > it > is the word that unsympathetic Nineteenth century clergymen sometimes used > in their baptismal registers to describe the progeny of illegitimate > relationships. > > Makes me want to spit. > > Regards, > > Boyd > > PS: does everyone out there know what IS available at the FHC in Derry, > because it is one of the best centres for genealogical records outside > Belfast. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-DERRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Vonnie The only Tottenham I know is in London, England. I cannot find a Totten in Tyrone. You say that your ancestor was from Totten. Perhaps if you give us your sources and any other information you may have we can come up with some suggestions. For example, how do you know that Totten is in Tyrone? Do you know Jane's surname? I did find examples of Totten as a surname. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vonnie Haner" <vmbweb@worldline.ca> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: [CoTyIre] Totte from Tyrone > Hi, > > I cannot find a Totten in Tyrone even though my gr-gr-grandmother, Jane > Eliza (or Elizabeth) born 1819 was from there. I looked up any Totten and > can't find one anywhere. I noticed there was a place called Tottenham. > Would this be a potential place they were from? She married James Caswell > born in Tipperary, in Drummond, Lanark, Ontario, Canada in 1837. I believe > her father was William. Any help would be appreciated. Vonnie > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The townland (and town) of Aughnacloy is actually in the parish of Carnteel (Dungannon Union). There are some great pictures of Tullybleety at: http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=3856254 There are contact details for the photographer who may be able/willing to help you or at least know if there are any McWilliams still in the area. There are no McWilliams listed for Tullybleety in Griffiths Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/tyrone/aghaloo.htm Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott R. C. Anderson" <srca@mindspring.com> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Tullybleety > There is a townland named Tullyblety in the parish of Aghaloo in County > Tyrone. It's at coordinates (71 51) on OS map 19. Aghnaclogh is a townland > in Termonmaguirk, which is relatively far away, so it may be Aghaloo you > are thinking of (it makes me think of spinach and potatoes in a spicy > sauce :-). > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Lynette Troughton <ltroughton@bigpond.com> >>Sent: Oct 7, 2008 3:59 AM MT >>To: "Scott R. C. Anderson" <srca@mindspring.com> >>Subject: Tullybleety >> >> >>Good evening, >>This discussion on Evishatrask has proved very informative. >>My query is Tullybleety, Tyrone. My grandfather, James Mc WILLIAMS >>(1871) >>was born ther. He married Frances May FELDHAUSEN in Port Elizabeth, South >>Africa in 1908. >>Tullybleety is no longer on any map. Aughnacloy is a familar sounding >>name. Can anyone help. >>If anyone has any information on this family I would love to know more. >>There was a sister Rachael, and a brother William. The parents were James >>McWILLIAMS and Margery (Media) SCOTT >>Thank you, >>Lynette Mc Williams >>Queensland >>Australia >> >> >>Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] re Evishatrask >>>> From: John Slattery <jslattery@bigpond.com> >>>> Sent: Oct 6, 2008 4:21 PM MT >>>> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: [CoTyIre] re Evishatrask >>>> I had tried all variations on seanreud, tried PRONI site etc., then >>>> this >>>> morning I remembered my OS maps. On no.13 Tyrone map I actually found >>>> the >>>> name. It is right beside the townland of Sultan, in the parish of >>>> Termonmaguirk, but the name is in smaller print for some reason. >>> >>> Apparently because it's not a townland (which is why it doesn't show up >>> in >>> Sean Ruad's site). Presumably it's just a village or hamlet or an >>> estate. >>> It's at (65 77) in the excellent OS Map summary file that Bruce Andrews >>> put together, which is the same coordinates as Sultan, and no other >>> townlands are adjacent, so that does look like the containing townland. >>> >>> Scott >>> > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me which volume of the "Journal of the Association for the Preservation of the Memorials of the Dead in Ireland" contains the inscriptions for Aghaloo parish (Caledon) graveyard in Co Tyrone? The FHL site doesn't indicate the graveyards that are included in each volume. Dale _________________________________________________________________

Hi Kevin, I also found that great section of the Tyrone site last night, but only after I had found that Evishatrask was near Sultan, and I googled both names together . Geraldine.

The Church of Ireland is part of the Anglican communty of Churches - same thing as the Church of England, just a different place and name. In the U.S.A. it is the Episcopal Church. The Presbyterian Church has nothing to do with any of the above mentioned Churches aside from the very basic fact that all are Christian. The C.of I./C.of E. have much the same structure as the Roman Catholic Church, save for some important hierarchical and theological differences. Power is in the hands of the clergy flowing down from the top. In the Presbyterian Church there is significant participation and input from the lay members. The moderator is elected. Assemblies gather to decide theological matters, etc.. The parish ministers do not handle the finances of the parish. This is left to a lay member/committee. This was done to sever the corrupting properties inherent in a minister/priest being responsible for raising large sums of money from his parishoners and to allow the minister to devote his full time to his parishoners and their wants and needs. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> To: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca>; <CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COI Marriage ?? > Tammy- > > Church of Ireland. Someone more knowledgeable will have to explain its > relationship to the Church of England and the Presbyterian. > > Dick Kinkead > Lantana, FL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> > To: <CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:33 PM > Subject: [CoTyIre] COI Marriage ?? > > >> What does Coi marriage stand for, can someone let me know... >> Thanks >> -- >> >> Tammy Mitchell >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a townland named Tullyblety in the parish of Aghaloo in County Tyrone. It's at coordinates (71 51) on OS map 19. Aghnaclogh is a townland in Termonmaguirk, which is relatively far away, so it may be Aghaloo you are thinking of (it makes me think of spinach and potatoes in a spicy sauce :-). Scott -----Original Message----- >From: Lynette Troughton <ltroughton@bigpond.com> >Sent: Oct 7, 2008 3:59 AM MT >To: "Scott R. C. Anderson" <srca@mindspring.com> >Subject: Tullybleety > > >Good evening, >This discussion on Evishatrask has proved very informative. >My query is Tullybleety, Tyrone. My grandfather, James Mc WILLIAMS (1871) >was born ther. He married Frances May FELDHAUSEN in Port Elizabeth, South >Africa in 1908. >Tullybleety is no longer on any map. Aughnacloy is a familar sounding >name. Can anyone help. >If anyone has any information on this family I would love to know more. >There was a sister Rachael, and a brother William. The parents were James >McWILLIAMS and Margery (Media) SCOTT >Thank you, >Lynette Mc Williams >Queensland >Australia > > >Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] re Evishatrask >>> From: John Slattery <jslattery@bigpond.com> >>> Sent: Oct 6, 2008 4:21 PM MT >>> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [CoTyIre] re Evishatrask >>> I had tried all variations on seanreud, tried PRONI site etc., then this >>> morning I remembered my OS maps. On no.13 Tyrone map I actually found the >>> name. It is right beside the townland of Sultan, in the parish of >>> Termonmaguirk, but the name is in smaller print for some reason. >> >> Apparently because it's not a townland (which is why it doesn't show up in >> Sean Ruad's site). Presumably it's just a village or hamlet or an estate. >> It's at (65 77) in the excellent OS Map summary file that Bruce Andrews >> put together, which is the same coordinates as Sultan, and no other >> townlands are adjacent, so that does look like the containing townland. >> >> Scott >>

Thank you to the replies re Evishatrask. I had tried all variations on seanreud, tried PRONI site etc., then this morning I remembered my OS maps. On no.13 Tyrone map I actually found the name. It is right beside the townland of Sultan, in the parish of Termonmaguirk, but the name is in smaller print for some reason. So it obviously does/did exist, and I have just learnt of another place in Co. Tyrone. Thanks to all, Geraldine.

Hi, I cannot find a Totten in Tyrone even though my gr-gr-grandmother, Jane Eliza (or Elizabeth) born 1819 was from there. I looked up any Totten and can't find one anywhere. I noticed there was a place called Tottenham. Would this be a potential place they were from? She married James Caswell born in Tipperary, in Drummond, Lanark, Ontario, Canada in 1837. I believe her father was William. Any help would be appreciated. Vonnie

Hi all or being from Memphis Hi Y'all: Excuse the generic salutation but I am a Digest mode member of the list and I'm not sure who started this thread. What I am sure of is this mailing list really tries to help people. I believe Sultan may be another name for Evishatrask. Here is my rationale: 1. Kevin Nash said "While looking for Evishatrask I found a great website. If you go to this site then open the excel spreadsheet you will find a list of every conceivable place in Tyrone, including Evishatrask, with map references." http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/places/ind ex.html That great website site is the one belonging to this mailing list and the spreadsheet contributed by Bruce Andrews is very informative. Thanks Teena and all you volunteers. 2. I sorted this spreadsheet by map and x y coordinates and found that Evishatrask and Sultan are the only place names with the same coordinates. 3. I then went to Ask About Ireland's Griffith's Valuation "Place-Name" search http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_place_search_form.php Evishatrask is not found but Sultan has 86 occupants. The pop-up map of today shows it nearer Creggan but not that far from Carrickmore Happy Hunting Bill Hazelton *****************

-----Original Message----- > From: John Slattery <jslattery@bigpond.com> > Sent: Oct 6, 2008 4:21 PM MT > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CoTyIre] re Evishatrask > I had tried all variations on seanreud, tried PRONI site etc., then this > morning I remembered my OS maps. On no.13 Tyrone map I actually found the > name. It is right beside the townland of Sultan, in the parish of > Termonmaguirk, but the name is in smaller print for some reason. Apparently because it's not a townland (which is why it doesn't show up in Sean Ruad's site). Presumably it's just a village or hamlet or an estate. It's at (65 77) in the excellent OS Map summary file that Bruce Andrews put together, which is the same coordinates as Sultan, and no other townlands are adjacent, so that does look like the containing townland. Scott

While looking for Evishatrask I found a great website. If you go to this site then open the excel spreadsheet you will find a list of every conceivable place in Tyrone, including Evishatrask, with map references. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/places/index.html Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Slattery" <jslattery@bigpond.com> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: [CoTyIre] re Evishatrask > Thank you to the replies re Evishatrask. > > > > I had tried all variations on seanreud, tried PRONI site etc., then this > morning I remembered my OS maps. On no.13 Tyrone map I actually found the > name. It is right beside the townland of Sultan, in the parish of > Termonmaguirk, but the name is in smaller print for some reason. > > So it obviously does/did exist, and I have just learnt of another place in > Co. Tyrone. > > > > Thanks to all, > > Geraldine. > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tammy- Church of Ireland. Someone more knowledgeable will have to explain its relationship to the Church of England and the Presbyterian. Dick Kinkead Lantana, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tammy Mitchell" <ancestry@ripandrevmedia.ca> To: <CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: [CoTyIre] COI Marriage ?? > What does Coi marriage stand for, can someone let me know... > Thanks > -- > > Tammy Mitchell > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message