They were Anglican bishops. This is from Colby's Ordnance Survey Memoir of Londonderry 1837 .....George Wild or Wilde succeeded in 1661 and died in 1665. This prelate who was a doctor of laws of the university of Oxford, was the son of Henry Wild , a citizen of London.... There is more about his education and history. ..........Robert Mossom DD succeeded in 1665 and died in 1679...... There is a paragraph about his education etc. I can scan it for you if you like. Rachel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Keys" <apeiron@vif.com> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: [CoTyIre] Bishops in Diocese of Derry > Thank you to everyone who provided information on the Hamiltons and McKee > surnames. From information provided by Dave Mitchell I have learned that > the > Sir William Hamilton, son of Sir Claud, who was the landlord of Daniel and > Hugh MacKeyes (the individuals of special interest to me) converted from > Catholicism to Protestantism in the 1640s and was involved in the Laggan > Army. The question is then whether any of his tenants, and particular the > pair mentioned above, followed suit. From Faye I learned that the Magees > were superintendents for the Abercorn Hamiltons, which seems in line with > the information from my family tradition that a close relationship may > have > existed with the Hamiltons. However the coat of arms on the Magee grave in > no way resembles the ones in Fermanagh. > > Perhaps one further detail that needs to be addressed is the possible > identity of the John Key buried at Lisnarick, in Fermanagh (next to the > grave of Hugh, possibly his son, on which the coat of arms appears), with > a > John Key who is excommunicated, in 1667 or possibly before, in the parish > of > Donaghgedy. I can provide the full text that I transcribed from a record > in > PRONI if anyone would like to see it. I had assumed that the > excommunication > was meted out by the Catholic Diocese of Derry. However, there are no > bishops matching the names given in the record at PRONI ("his Lordship > George Late Lord Bpp of ye Diocese of Derry" who had apparently been > succeeded by "his Lordship Robert by divine Providence Lord Bpp of the > same > Diocese"). In fact, there were no Bishops in that diocese at all during > the > time. See note below. > > Why the discrepancy? Which church handed down the excommunication of John > Key, Catholic or Anglican, or some other? > > I hope someone can clarify this for me. > > Thanks, > > Roy > > Vicars Apostolic of Derry 1622-1720 > > [From 1601 to 1720, no bishop or vicar apostolic resided within the > diocese of Derry. From 1601 to 1780, no bishop resided within the City of > Derry. From 1601 to 1720, the see was vacant and ruled by vicars > apostolic. > See the following names below for the vicars apostolic:] > > a.. 1622-1623 Mar. 1622 Aug. 1623 Luke Rochford > b.. 1626-1629 Sept. 1626 Sept. 1629 Eugene Sweeney Bishop of > Kilmore,1629-1669 > c.. 1629-1670 1629 d. before 1670 Terence O'Kelly > d.. 1671-1672 1671 1672; d. 1673 Eugene Conwell > e.. 1672-1678 1672 arrested 1678 Luke Plunkett > f.. 1681-1682 1681 1682 Brian MacGurk > g.. 1684-1711 1684 d. 1711 Bernard O'Cahan 1694-1697 8 Feb. 1694 d. 19 > Jan. 1697 Fergus Laurence Lea [never took possession of the see; Bernard > O'Cahan remained in possession until his death.] > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thomas Deane married Mary (Jennings?) 1840 (Tullybrick) Son: Michael Costello Deane (1841-1916) married Margaret Bell 1874 (Cookstown) Children: Francis Bellingum Deane 1874 (married William Cooke) immigrated to Manitoba Canada Anne Elizabeth Deane 1876 (married Arthur Anthony Harwood) Thomas James Deane 1877-1911 Mary Deane 1879 Sarah Ada Deane 1880 Letitia Bell Deane 1887 (married Alfred William McWhinney) Edith Florence Margaretta Deane 1891 (possible marriage to William Alexander Risk) Hugh Washington Kinley Deane 1892 (My Grandfather) (married Margaret Wylie) immigrated to Ontario Nephew: George Deane 1865 In Griffiths Valuation 1848-1864 Parish Ballynascreen Neale Deane, Owenreagh Patrick Deane, Cavanreagh Thomas Deane, Owenreagh (my GGGrandfather) Assuming Neal and Patrick are related but cannot find common thread yet Looking for 1911 census information or any other help. Regards ~ Jackie Deane-Couture Chatham, Ontario, Canada

Hi John wrote 'I suspect that release of the BMDs post 1922 violates the UKs privacy concerns' In Scotland full birth records are not able to be viewed till 100 years have passed; marriage records are 75 years and death records are 50 years. However if visiting the records office in person all records are available to view right up to 2006. Also the indexes to all birth, marriage and death records are available online at their pay to view site up to and including 2006. I cannot think,therefore, that would be the reason why LDS cannot allow access to the indexes to BMDs that they have up to 1958. I think it is more likely that the records offices and family history foundation might not make as much money. CheersTheresa _________________________________________________________________ Win an Xbox 360 or £200 Top Shop Vouchers http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454062/direct/01/

Hi Carol, I forwarded your message to some Thompson relations of mine who live locally and am attaching their reply below. I hope it helps. I checked the records and these people are from an area called Trillick in Co Tyrone. They are no relations of mine. Trillick is a small community of around 300 persons and my suggestion would be that records of the family would be held in the Church of Ireland Trillick or the Church of Ireland Tamlaght. There is a record of a George Thompson working in Main Street Trillick in 1910. Since the church records are not on the internet, that I'm aware of, direct communication is the only method. As I say, I hope it helps. Regards Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CarSherr@aol.com> To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: [CoTyIre] THOMPSON: Drumsonnis > > > I am interested in hearing from anyone who has information on the > ancestors > and/or descendants of the following THOMPSON individuals who signed the > 1912 > Covenant: > > George > John James > Lizzie > Margaret > Mary Jane > Rebecca > Samuel > > Thank you in advance for your reply. > > Carole > Lancaster, PA > > > ************** > New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News &amp; more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Hamilton family were living in (Drummond) Co. Aghaloo in the early 1800s. I would presume that they were connected with the Hamilton families in Gwen's email. Does anyone know if there are published family trees of either of those Hamilton families she mentioned. Thanks Margaret in Oz.

Hi Listers Regarding the message below, I suspect that release of the BMDs post 1922 violates the UKs privacy concerns. I understand that Birth information is held 100 years. Marriage and Death information would be lesser time periods and the 86 years that have elapsed may not be enough. John M. Collins Sarnia, Ont. Canada E-mail addresses jcollins@xcelco.on.ca jmacollins@gmail.com On 12-Oct-08, at 3:01 AM, cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. The GRO (boydgray26@utvinternet.com) > 2. Re: [NIR-DERRY] The GRO (Cliff. Johnston) > 3. Re: [NIR-DERRY] The GRO (Barbara Balfour) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:42:40 +0100 > From: <boydgray26@utvinternet.com> > Subject: [CoTyIre] The GRO > To: <nir-derry@rootsweb.com>, <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4E55B3753891495DAB30CC5A7B8BB571@userPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Hi Listers, > > Just thought you might like to know that the GRO in Belfast has > sequestered > from the Family History Centre (the Mormons) in Derry, the > microfilms of all > Northern Ireland Civil Births, Marriages and Deaths post Partition > in 1922, > which they had allowed the FHC to copy some 20 years ago. I wonder > why. > You don't think it mught be that they wish to have exclusive access > to these > records so that they can sell them at extortionate rates? There is > only one > word to describe that and I will not sully your delicate ears with > it but it > is the word that unsympathetic Nineteenth century clergymen > sometimes used > in their baptismal registers to describe the progeny of illegitimate > relationships. > > Makes me want to spit. > > Regards, > > Boyd > > PS: does everyone out there know what IS available at the FHC in > Derry, > because it is one of the best centres for genealogical records outside > Belfast. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 3, Issue 200 > ***********************************************

Thank you to everyone who provided information on the Hamiltons and McKee surnames. From information provided by Dave Mitchell I have learned that the Sir William Hamilton, son of Sir Claud, who was the landlord of Daniel and Hugh MacKeyes (the individuals of special interest to me) converted from Catholicism to Protestantism in the 1640s and was involved in the Laggan Army. The question is then whether any of his tenants, and particular the pair mentioned above, followed suit. From Faye I learned that the Magees were superintendents for the Abercorn Hamiltons, which seems in line with the information from my family tradition that a close relationship may have existed with the Hamiltons. However the coat of arms on the Magee grave in no way resembles the ones in Fermanagh. Perhaps one further detail that needs to be addressed is the possible identity of the John Key buried at Lisnarick, in Fermanagh (next to the grave of Hugh, possibly his son, on which the coat of arms appears), with a John Key who is excommunicated, in 1667 or possibly before, in the parish of Donaghgedy. I can provide the full text that I transcribed from a record in PRONI if anyone would like to see it. I had assumed that the excommunication was meted out by the Catholic Diocese of Derry. However, there are no bishops matching the names given in the record at PRONI ("his Lordship George Late Lord Bpp of ye Diocese of Derry" who had apparently been succeeded by "his Lordship Robert by divine Providence Lord Bpp of the same Diocese"). In fact, there were no Bishops in that diocese at all during the time. See note below. Why the discrepancy? Which church handed down the excommunication of John Key, Catholic or Anglican, or some other? I hope someone can clarify this for me. Thanks, Roy Vicars Apostolic of Derry 1622-1720 [From 1601 to 1720, no bishop or vicar apostolic resided within the diocese of Derry. From 1601 to 1780, no bishop resided within the City of Derry. From 1601 to 1720, the see was vacant and ruled by vicars apostolic. See the following names below for the vicars apostolic:] a.. 1622-1623 Mar. 1622 Aug. 1623 Luke Rochford b.. 1626-1629 Sept. 1626 Sept. 1629 Eugene Sweeney Bishop of Kilmore,1629-1669 c.. 1629-1670 1629 d. before 1670 Terence O'Kelly d.. 1671-1672 1671 1672; d. 1673 Eugene Conwell e.. 1672-1678 1672 arrested 1678 Luke Plunkett f.. 1681-1682 1681 1682 Brian MacGurk g.. 1684-1711 1684 d. 1711 Bernard O'Cahan 1694-1697 8 Feb. 1694 d. 19 Jan. 1697 Fergus Laurence Lea [never took possession of the see; Bernard O'Cahan remained in possession until his death.]

Jo, Researching Johnston/es in Ireland is somewhat akin to searching for a needle in a haystack. I'd suggest that you find a Johnston male from your line and have him do at least a 37-markers, Y-DNA test. This may very well put you in touch with a closely-connected Johnston as it did for me. We are now up to 33 Y-DNA cousins. The Johns(t)on/e Y-DNA project has one of the largest family data bases available. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flynn and Jo Ellen" <joflynnnomad@yahoo.com> To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: [CoTyIre] Johnstons, Battle of Waterloo, Ohio USA 1700s - 1800s Dear All, I am looking for information on the Johnstons of Tyrone Ireland (1700s/early 1800s) who immigrated to the USA around 1826 and lived in Ohio. The information I have is Peter and Molly Johnston. Peter was from Tyrone Ireland. Supposedly he was killed in the Battle of Waterloo under Duke Wellington. One of Peter's children was William Johnston. b. 1801 in Tyrone Ireland. d. 1870 in Washington Co., Ohio. He married Margaret ?. They immigrated to the USA with their first son, George Wesley Johnston, around 1826/1827. Another one of their sons, James Johnston (b 1827 in Ohio d 1886 in Washington Co., Ohio) was my great grandfather. I have the descendents fairly well traced but need to go backwards from Peter. Any information on the immigration ship of William, Margaret, and George Wesley Johnston would be appreciated from Tyrone to the USA around 1826/1826. Any link to the ancestry of Peter Johnston would be appreciated. Since he was killed in the Battle of Waterloo, I guess his birth year would be the late 1700s. Thank you, Jo Fuller ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

  Dear All, I am looking for information on the Johnstons of Tyrone Ireland (1700s/early 1800s) who immigrated to the USA around 1826 and lived in Ohio. The information I have is Peter and Molly Johnston.  Peter was from Tyrone Ireland.  Supposedly he was killed in the Battle of Waterloo under Duke Wellington.  One of Peter's children was   William Johnston. b. 1801 in Tyrone Ireland. d. 1870 in Washington Co., Ohio.  He married Margaret ?.  They immigrated to the USA with their first son, George Wesley Johnston, around 1826/1827.  Another one of their sons, James Johnston (b 1827 in Ohio d 1886 in Washington Co., Ohio) was my great grandfather.  I have the descendents fairly well traced but need to go backwards from Peter.   Any information on the immigration ship of William, Margaret, and George Wesley Johnston would be appreciated from Tyrone to the USA around 1826/1826.   Any link to the ancestry of Peter Johnston would be appreciated.  Since he was killed in the Battle of Waterloo, I guess his birth year would be the late 1700s.   Thank you, Jo Fuller    

Roy asked what was the attainder of the Hamiltons in the 17th century. It depends on which Hamiltons you are cocerned with : 1. Sir James Hamilton (1575-1652) was granted the Abercorn - Baronscourt estate (Manor of Dunnalong) in Co. Tyrone in 1610, as well as land in several other counties. During the Irish Rebellion of 1640, he surported the Irish Sir Phelim O'Neill of Kinnard (Aghaloo Parish) against the British. Hamilton lost his land grants in Co. Tyrone and elsewhere as a result, but they were gained back by his son, Sir James Hamilton (1604-c1670). 2. Captain William Hamilton was granted the Manor at Kinnard, Aghaloo Parish, Co. Tyrone, which had been taken away from Sir Phelim O'Neill, before he was executed in August 1653. Before the 1640 Rebellion-Cromwellian War, Captain William Hamilton had been a tenant on the Winfield Estate (Manor of Benburb), Co. Tyrone. Captain William Hamilton was the grandson of William Hamilton who had come from Scotland in 1616, settling at Ballyfattion (Sion's Mills), Co. Tyrone. According to Mona Wylie, "St John's Church, Caledon, Parish of Aghaloo: A Brief History," (131-42) in Duiche Neill: Journal of the O'Neill Country Historical Society, Vol. 3, 1988: Captian Hamilton was a '1649er.' This would mean that at the outset of the Rebellion of 1640, Captain William Hamilton fought on the side of Sir Phelim O'Neill, later supporting the Royalists forces of Charles I. When Cromwell's army arrived in Ireland in 1649, 'the 1649ers' are soldiers who switched sides to support Cromwell. Most of such Captains were granted land in Ireland at the end of the war in 1652-53 by a grateful Cromwell. But I have seen no mention of Captain William Hamilton being granted land in that period. According to Rev. J. M. Batchelor, "Tynan Parish, Armagh, Burials and Baptisms, 1683-1723," in Duiche Neill, Vol 15, 2006 (100-101): Captain William Hamilton was a Royalist supporter of Charles II, and as a consequence Charles II granted the former Estate of Sir Phelim O'Neill, at Kinnard (Caledon), Aghaloo Parish, Co. Tyrone. While those two accounts might appear conflicting, it was not uncommon for people to switch sides repeatedly, depending on which way the wind was blowing. In any case, Captian Hamilton was not attainted for anything. I'm not aware of these families involvement in the Williamite War. Gwen Barry gwenb@eastlink.ca

John, If you are talking about US naturalizations, where your grgrandfather filed would depend on the time period involved and his location. Until the federal government centralized the naturalization process, petitions and papers could be filed in any court of record. Deborah ___________________________________________ Deborah Large Fox www.deborahlarge.com

Thank you for the directions. I now know where to go for the info. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Fox" <deborahlargefox@verizon.net> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: [CoTyIre] Naturalization > John, If you are talking about US naturalizations, where your > grgrandfather > filed would depend on the time period involved and his location. Until the > federal government centralized the naturalization process, petitions and > papers could be filed in any court of record. Deborah > ___________________________________________ > Deborah Large Fox > www.deborahlarge.com > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone point me to detailed information about the attainder of the Hamiltons in the 17th century, during the 1650s and 1690s? Thank you for your attention. Roy

If my gr grandfather filed for naturalization in Clarion, Where could those records be found?? John C. Hall, Petaluma, California

Roy, can't help with Leckpatrick gravestones, sorry, but am interested in your John Magee. I am tracing a line of Magee's. I have a John C. Magee born about 1795-1800, not quite sure of the area. Deborah ___________________________________________ Deborah Large Fox www.deborahlarge.com

I seek information about gravestones in Leckpatrick cemetery NE of Strabane. I am particularly interested in the John Magee stone with a carved coat of arms, as well as any other graves (including the Hamilton tomb) with coats of arms. Can anyone help here? Thank you for your attention. Roy

Hi Vern & List, The 'County of Tyrone -1802, A statistical Survey 'by John McEVOY does not have surnames in the Index. Leafing through the book I found the following two lists of names. The following established Bleach-greens will serve to show the present state of the Linen Manufacture in the County. Names of Bleachers & Place of Abode -Pages 138-139 William SHAW, Castle Caulfield, near Dungannon; James GUAHERTY, Dungannon; DUFFIN & Co., Dungannon; Thomas RODMAN, Dungannon; William GRIER, Dungannon; Thomas GRIER, Dungannon; Robert GRIER, Redford, near Dungannon; John GRIER, Dungannon; John WILCOCK, Dungannon; John WILCOCK (two) near Cook's town; ..........COOK, Near Cook's Town; James GRIER, near Cook's Town; Thoms GRIER, Junior, near Cook's Town; J. PATTERSON, near Cook's Town; James COOK, near Cook's Town; John KENNY, near Cook's Town; William ANDERSON, near Cook's Town; A STEWART, Coal Island; BROWN & SLOANE, Coal Island; Thomas GRIER & Co. Coal Island; William PIKE, Coal Island; ......PURCEL, Brookfield, near Dungannon; JACKSON & EYRE, Blackwater Town. (These have two more bleach greens adjoining in the County of Armagh); John CHAMBERS, Omagh; .....SMILEY, near Strabane; ..........QUIN, at Duglasspbridge, below Newtown-Stewart;.......SPROULE, Spa-mount; (Remark page 139: My information, with respect to the bleach-greens about Dungannon and Cook's -town, was from Mr WILCOCK of Dungannon, an eminent bleacher.) List of Principal Proprietors.Page 169-170 Marquis of ABERCORN; ACHDALL........ Esq.; BATEMAN,....... Esq, R; BAILIE .......Esq. R; BELMORE, Lord; BLACKARD....... Esq; BUCHANAN, John, Esq. R; BRABAZON,....... Esq.; CRAWFORD, Henry Esq.; COLHOUN........ Esq.; CRAWFORD, John Esq.; CALLIDON, Lord R; CAULFIELD .......Esq. R; CHARLEMONT, Lord; EARNE,Messrs R; ECCLES, Daniel Esq.; FERGUSON, Sir Andrew; FORSYTH........Esq R; GLADSTANIS, George Esq.; GALBRAITH,........ Esq. R; GORGES, Hamilton Esq. R; GAGE, Mrs; GORMAN.......... Esq.; HAMILTON, James Esq.; (next 3 entries line for surname, ; ...........,Sir John; ........William Esq.; ......,Hon. A.C. R; IRWINE........, Gorges Esq.; ............Henry Esq.; JOHNSTON, Charles, Esq.; KNOX, Hon. Thomas R; LIFFORD, Lord; LENDRUM, James Esq. R; LIGHTON, Sir Thomas; LOWRY, Robert Esq. R; ...........Mrs. R.; LINDSAY, Robert Esq. R; McCAUSLAND, John Esq.; ........Oliver, Esq.; McCLINTOCK,....Esq,; MONTRAY, John Esq. R; MONTGOMERY, Hugh Esq.; MAXWELL, Warren Esq,; MOUNTJOY, Lord; MOORE, Nathaniel Esq.; .....John Esq.; MALONE, Mrs; NORTHLAND, Lord. R; PERRY, George Esq.; PETTYGREW, Robert Esq. R; POWERSCOURT, Lord; ROCHARDSON, John Esq.; .......Sir William R; REYNELL, Richard,Esq; STRONG....Esq; SAVILLE......Esq.; STEWARD, John Attorney General; STEWART, James Esq. R; TRADENNICK....Esq; VERNER, James Esq.; WHITE, Francis Esq.; WATERFORD, Marquis of; (Lines for some = missing first name, other lines may be missing surname or same surname as the preceding entry) Margaret O'Callaghan

Hello All, According to a Statistical Survey of County Tyrone written by a John McEVOY in 1802. John McEVOY was a skilled nurseryman who ran a nursery in Collon, County Louth for the Right Honorable John FOSTER (an eminent Irish Statesman, and as adviser to the Earl of Abercorn about planting trees on his Irish Estates. John McEVOY took over the development of the forests on the Mountjoy Estate at Rash in the north of Omagh in 1791.( have a copy of the book) The following extract , part of a page of an Irish genealogy website 'From Ireland' copyright Dr. Jane LYONS, Dublin, Ireland.......identifies the existence of a Will for John McEVOY who endowed a school at KNOCKMOYLE for poor children in MOUNTJOY FOREST. ........................Civil Registration Reference Extracts: CAPPAGH, a parish, partly in the barony of OMAGH, but chiefly in that of STRABANE, county of TYRONE, and Province of ULSTER................................Second last paragraph...........The male and female parochial schools are situated on the glebe, and are supported by the late Sir W. McMAHON; a school at KNOCKMOYLE was founded under the Will of John McEVOY, who endowed it with 16 pounds per annum, for the gratuitous education of poor children in MOUNTJOY FOREST, and vested in management in the Rector for ever......... Where can I write to locate a copy of the Will of John McEVOY, or further information about John McEVOY? Regards, Margaret O'Callaghan

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