I have Mary McGEE, b. about 1820 (possibly Clogher), daughter of Patrick and Mary McGEE; married James McELROY of Clogher, c.1835. Immigrated to Providence, Rhode Island. Charles LAGAN of "Co. Tyrone" b. about 1818, of Christopher and Ann/Nancy LAGAN, married first Jane (maiden name unknown; m. 2nd 1855 Providence. R.I. Mary MULGREW, b. possibly Ballygawley area, in Tyrone. Both died in Pawtucket, R.I. The McGee-McElroy family and Lagan-Mulgrew are not related to each other... just to me! Loree Muldowney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Fox" <deborahlargefox@verizon.net> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: [CoTyIre] MAGEE and other Tyrone names > Thanks for posting, Betty. Your Magee names are very close, but my > Magee's settled in Philadelphia: John C. MAGEE born about 1795 married > Bridget MAGUIRE and settled in Philadelphia by 1835. Do you have any > further > information on your John Magee? > Since I don't post too often, I will take this opportunity to post my > other Co. Tyrone names: LAGAN (LOGAN in USA) , REILLY (both of > Innishatieve > by 1800) and possibly TRACY (TREACY, TRACEY). > Also, since there have been recent postings on townland spellings, I > would note that even today there are various spellings for Innishatieve, > Inishative being one of the more popular. Deb > ___________________________________________ > Deborah Large Fox > www.deborahlarge.com > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1816 - Release Date: 11/27/2008 7:53 PM

Thanks for posting, Betty. Your Magee names are very close, but my Magee's settled in Philadelphia: John C. MAGEE born about 1795 married Bridget MAGUIRE and settled in Philadelphia by 1835. Do you have any further information on your John Magee? Since I don't post too often, I will take this opportunity to post my other Co. Tyrone names: LAGAN (LOGAN in USA) , REILLY (both of Innishatieve by 1800) and possibly TRACY (TREACY, TRACEY). Also, since there have been recent postings on townland spellings, I would note that even today there are various spellings for Innishatieve, Inishative being one of the more popular. Deb ___________________________________________ Deborah Large Fox www.deborahlarge.com

Hi everyone, Is it worth reminding the list that quite a lot (unfortunately not all) of the Householders Index has been transcribed and is available on our website. Regards Jim. ----- Original Message ----- From: <tyroneire@aol.com> To: <ray15@optusnet.com.au>; <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Cc: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:39 PM Subject: [CoTyIre] GREGORY surname in Tyrone - Householders Index > Janet, > I sent a note this morning from a mobile device which looks like it > didn't go through. I suggested use of the "Householders Index" for Co. > tyrone which covers both the earleir Tithe Applotment of the 1820-30s > and the Primary (a.k.a. Griffith's) Valuation (late 1850s to early 60s > for Tyrone). > > The following is from a database based upon the Householders Index. I > suggest you check the original books for accuracy: > > For the GREGORY surname in the 9 counties of the Province of Ulster: > County Total (with the # for the head of household based upon > Griffith's) > > Cavan 1 > Down 5 > Antrim 5 > Monaghan 4 > Tyrone 2 > Londonderry 0 > Armagh 12 > Donegal 24 > Fermanagh 12 > > The details for Tyrone: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > Griffith Valuation Tithe Survey > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > . Householders Recorded; Civil Parish (Barony *); Poor Law Union; Year > of Valuation; Present In Parish; Year of Survey > 1 ARDSTRAW (LOWER STRABANE); CASTLEDERG, GORTIN,OMAGH & STRABANE; 1860 > No 1833 > 0 CARNTEEL; CLOGHER & DUNGANNON; 1860 Yes 1827 > 0 DONAGHMORE; DUNGANNON; 1860 Yes 1815 > 1 DONAGHMORE; DUNGANNON; 1860 Yes 1815 > 0 ERRIGAL KEEROGUE; CLOGHER & DUNGANNON 1860 Yes 1833 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > 2 Total Householders Recorded > * The name of the barony is listed only in cases where the civil parish > is located in more than one barony > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > I hope that gives you some research leads. Given that there are over > 40 civil parishes in the County, its not too bad at all. If you wanted > to narrow it further, you could do a similar Householders Index search > for the maiden surname who married the GREGORY. > > Good luck, > Clare L. > - - - - -Some of my Co Tyrone names: Devlin, McAleer, Donnelly, > McCullagh, McCusker, McCrory > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray <ray15@optusnet.com.au> > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 3:25 am > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] : Help w/placename - GREGORY in Tyrone > > > > Hello Once more, Janet. > > 1. Yes, posting on the GREGORY list, sounds like a great idea; not only > for flushing out Guy GREGORY; but for your GREGORY research in general. > > 2. Regarding the Griffiths, and its possibly being after Eliza and her > family left Tyrone; my belief is that usually when even most of the > family emigrated, they will have left behind, if not at least one older > sibling, more distant family members like aunts/uncles/cousins. etc. > > 3. Given that the Griffiths gives GREGORY in Ardstraw parish; and that > Ballynaloan is in Ardstraw,and might look very much like Ballinsloe in > running writing, I'd be tempted to give that at try. > > Hopefully there will be others on this list who have personal > experience with the relevant parishes and townlands, who might be able > to give you more specific guidance than my mere generalities. > > Good Luck. > Ray in oz. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Kinsella" <janetkinsella@hotmail.com> > To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > >> Ray and Clare, >> Thanks so much for the suggestions. > I did contact Harry Connors, but as he has had some computer problems, > he couldn't find the contact info for Guy Gregory. I thought I might > post on the Gregory list in hopes of finding him. > ... > I believe I will start with the "Ballynasollus" leads, as I believe > the Griffiths' to have been after Eliza and her family left Tyrone. >> Does that make sense? >> Any suggestions as to how best to proceed will be gratefully accepted. >> Janet >> >> >>> From: ray15@optusnet.com.au >>> Have you obtained these extracts from Griffiths for GREGORY in > Tyrone?: >>> http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php >>> Surname First Name Townland Parish County >>> Gregory William Knockonny Errigal Keerogue Tyrone >>> Gregory James Killymorgan Errigal Keerogue Tyrone >>> Gregory Edward Scarvagherin Ardstraw Tyrone > >>> NEXT: I expect that you are familiar with this obituary for your >>> ancestress: >>> http://www.connorshistory.com/Beaton/EGBMObituary.html >>> >>> Have you been in contact with the Guy GREGORY who provided that to > the >>> site? > >>> FINALLY, have you tried to search in www.seanruad.com , looking > just for >>> a >>> townland starting with the letter B in the county of Tyrone? >>> For example: > Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province > Balix Lower 537 Tyrone Strabane Lower Donaghedy Gortin Ulster > Ballaghalare 213 Tyrone Strabane Lower Donaghedy Strabane > Ulster > Ballee 540 Tyrone Strabane Lower Leckpatrick Strabane Ulster > Ballyblagh 205 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Ballyclog Cookstown Ulster > Ballyfolliard 392 Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Castlederg > Ulster > Ballynaloan 140 Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Castlederg Ulster > Ballynasollus 925 Tyrone Strabane Upper Bodoney Upper Gortin > Ulster > Ballynasollus 261 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Derryloran Cookstown > Ulster > Ballynasollus 1,076 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Kildress Cookstown > Ulster > > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Deborah: I have a George Magee b 1803 in Ireland, with brothers, John 1795-97 Ireland, James 1810 PA, William 1815 PA and Charles 1813 PA. I have a hunch that the father is a John Magee b. 1784 who immigrated in 1806 and was in Erie Co., PA. Do you see any connection? Betty

Hi all, RW has just realized it's been having problems with mail delivery on List9 (where this list is housed). It seems messages were being queued but not sent, so some of the problems some of you have mentioned may have been caused by that. They are starting to unclog the bottleneck, and those older messages should start coming through to the list. So, you may see duplicates if some of you sent the same message more than once. Just bear with it while they get rid of the backlog, and delete any duplicates. Now, to see if the list mail really does pick up! This is not something I have any control over -- this is core RW stuff that only staff can get their hands on, so I can only tell you what I've been told. I have no idea if our list was affected, or to what extent. I guess we'll see... Claire K List Admin

Hello all, I subscribed to this mailing list many years ago and always remained on the sidelines, hoping that someday, someone would ask or divulge info regarding the McCARNEYs or COLGANs. But it never happened so now maybe if I initiate the query some other like me will roger-up, hopefully! My grandmother, Mary Ann McCARNEY was born 02 Nov 1880 in Tonneyglaskin (Tonyglaskan), County Fermanagh per her official birth certificate entry which was registered in Tempo, Enniskillen. Her father's name was Thomas McCARNEY, farmer and her mother's name was Bridget COLGAN. She claimed to be from County Tyrone and we always celebrated her birthday on the 31st of October contrary to what the birth certificate indicated. Her sister's name was Cassie (Catherine) McCARNEY and she was born 01 Jan 1879 in County Tyrone. She may have gone by the name of Teresa also. I have a copy of a marriage register entry for a RC church in Dromore dated 20 Nov 1877 which shows Thomas McCARNEY (parents John & Catherine McCARNEY) of Carriglass and Bridget COLGAN (parents E????? & Mary COLGAN) of Minegar. Witnesses were Frances MONAGHAN (Carriglass) & John T/FAGUE (Tullycleenagh). Catherine (Cassie) McCARNEY emigrated in May 1896 aboard the SS Belganland arriving in Philadelphia, PA. She listed her last residence as Fintona and she intended to stay with her cousin, Bridget MONAGHAN in Philadelphia. Mary Ann McCARNEY emigrated in April 1899 aboard the SS Italia arriving in Philadelphia, PA. She listed her last residence as Glengan and she intended to stay with her sister Cassie in Philadelphia, PA. Coincidentally, there was a Francis MONAGHAN on the ship who also listed his last residence as Glengan and he intended to stay with his sister, Bridget MONAGHAN in Camden, New Jersey. Cassie McCARNEY was staying at the home of John & Mary CARNEY. Believe this to be a uncle or some other relative who americanized his last name by dropping the 'Mc'. On different forms that my grandmother signed, sometimes she omitted the 'Mc' or added it as an afterthought. Have reason to believe that Thomas McCARNEY may have accidentally died, thus the reason for the daughters emigrating from Ireland as the mother may had hopes of remarrying. Mary Ann McCARNEY married William H MILLER (2nd generation Irish) in Philadelphia in 1905. They had five children: William Henry (Mar 1906), Thomas James (Mar 1908), Ellen (Jan 1912), Francis Joseph (1916) and Vincent Anthony (Feb 1919). This past summer, I mailed about a hundred or so postcards with a picture of my grandmother in her 60s to addresses I determined were in the locale where the McCARNEYs and COLGANs should be located. To date, I have received three replies, one being 'occupant moved'. The other two could not shed any light on my grandmother's family in County Tyrone. I would greatly appreciate any information anyone may have on the McCARNEYs and/or COLGANs and I would be happy to share all info I currently have as it pertains to them in the Colonies (USA). Thank you, Frank L Hannigan Townlands: Minegar is Meenagar, Carryiglass is Carryglass & Glengan is Glengeen. Located within a five mile or less radius of each other. Happy Thanksgiving Day to all!

Hi List, I knew there was another issue that had been raised in the recent discussion. One of you contacted me offlist to follow up (and I've just responded offlist with particulars). I thought, though, that the rest of you could also use this information, so am sending it to all. The issue had to do with emails being sent to the list but never posted / received. First, PLEASE remember to send all administrative questions to CoTyroneIreland-admin@rootsweb.com, not to my private email address. The CTI-admin address will be forwarded by RW to the email account I have designated to receive CTI requests -- an email account I limit to particular "official" uses, so it gets a lot less email and yours is much less likely to get lost in the shuffle. I have multiple email accounts, one of which is my "emergency" email, which I use only when my usual email accounts are acting up. If you send something to this account, I may not see it until the next time I'm having problems and have to use that account. Also, when it goes to CTI-admin, it gets forwarded to both me (Claire K) and the assistant admin (Clare L), so if one of us is unable to get back to you (out of town, email problems, health issues, etc.), the other one will. Now for the posting problem / issue. Here are some reasons why a post doesn't go through to the list: -- the post is too long (usually this happens if the poster forgets to post in plain text, or responds by copying an entire digest). Solution (actually, preventive): make sure you post in plain text only, and make sure you trim any quoted material down to just the relevant parts. -- the poster has bounced off the list (e.g., maybe their ISP reported the mailbox was full or temporarily unavailable). Solution: keep your inbox as empty as possible; know what your software limits are. (If you are on AOL, check the archives of AOLers-RootsWeb (see http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/ RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb.html for info) to see if this is a known AOL problem. (Better yet, subscribe, and keep up to date on the problems AOL users have with RW)). If you haven't received posts from CTI (or any other list) for a while, first check the list archives to see if messages have gone out to the list that you didn't receive -- it may just be that no one's posted anything, not that you're not receiving posts -- and if you find posts in the archives that you never received, check with Password Central to see what lists you're currently subscribed to (see http:// www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ -- scroll down to "Help" (or just search the page for "Password Central") and click on the link to "Password Central"). If the list you think you're subscribed to isn't on the list you get from Password Central, contact the list admin (at LISTNAME-admin@rootsweb.com, where LISTNAME is the name of the list) to see if s/he can tell you why you bounced off, or just resubscribe (to LISTNAME-request...). -- the poster posts from one email account but is subscribed with a different account. Solution: doublecheck which account is subscribed and which is listed in your from line (if you have multiple accounts). -- RW servers are down for maintenance, or are offline. -- your email program isn't set up to accept copies of your own posts. If none of the above solves your problem, send me a copy of the full headers of the email you sent that never made it to the list (with details of what you tried) and I will see if I can get a definitive answer as to what happened to your message(s). Hope that helps. Sorry for the length! ;-) Claire K seekay@comcast.net

Good Morning, Listers. This has been such a good busy list lately, I thought I'd post my family search. John HEGERTY born County Tyrone, 1832, came to the US with his wife, Katherine, about 1850. They lived in New York for a time and then migrated to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. A possible lead is that Katherine's maiden name was DEVLIN. They brought their 3 year old son , William, with them. Later, when William was married he stated on his marriage certificate that he was born in Durmond, County Tyrone, Ireland. Of course, I've learned that this place does not exist and there are plenty of places in County Tyrone that have a similar spelling. In fact I have a whole list of places like that. Any other HEGERTY researchers out there?? Thanks for your time. Maxine

The Teebane+McFarland (as written in the Tithe Apploment) is what is now the townland of Teebane East. -Clare L. <<<Here's my effort at stimulating discussion -- something I've been meaning to track down myself, but maybe it should be a community thing. Maybe even for posting on the CTI website?? (Say in your post if it's OK for Tammy to include it on the site -- and Tammy, it's OK to post this info.). I think it would be useful (and instructive) to have a list of alternate spellings of placenames from original documents. As an adjunct of that, how about parishes, etc. that have changed names over time? For instance, in Tithe Applotment, it's Teebane-Keenan and Teebane- McFarland. Who can remind me which became Teebane East and which Teebane West?>>>

Due to the closure of MSN Groups I wish to advise members of this list that my Flemming Family Site and my Griffith-Griffin Family site are being transferred to Multiply.com groups. The new site addresses are: http://FlemmingFamilySite.multiply.com http://Griffith-GriffinFamilySite.multiply.com My familes came from Drumquin, Dromore and Cornamuck in County Tyrone. Both sites contain general information about surnames but also some about Tyrone and connections there. Our Fleming DNA project at www.dna.ancestry.com also has lots of participants who have history back to Tyrone and we are looking for more Fleming males to take part in our project. Especially any more Flemings with history back to Tyrone or who still reside there. Janet of oz aka Flandrensis

Hi Janet Since Griffith Valuation took place after your Gregorys left Co Tyrone, I checked out the tithe applotment books, where I found the following Gregory listed: 1827 Francis Gregory, Mullabane, Carnteel 1828 John Gregory, Lower Gils, Camus 1832 James Gregory, Killlymorgan, Errigal Keerogue 1833 James Grigory, Killymorgan, Errigal Keerogue. You will note that in 1833 James Gregory has become James Grigory. I noted too in other counties many where the surname was also spelt Greggory as well as Grigory. Looks as if it's worth checking out surname variants whilst searching. Regards Theresa _________________________________________________________________ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/

Hello Once more, Janet. 1. Yes, posting on the GREGORY list, sounds like a great idea; not only for flushing out Guy GREGORY; but for your GREGORY research in general. 2. Regarding the Griffiths, and its possibly being after Eliza and her family left Tyrone; my belief is that usually when even most of the family emigrated, they will have left behind, if not at least one older sibling, more distant family members like aunts/uncles/cousins. etc. 3. Given that the Griffiths gives GREGORY in Ardstraw parish; and that Ballynaloan is in Ardstraw,and might look very much like Ballinsloe in running writing, I'd be tempted to give that at try. Hopefully there will be others on this list who have personal experience with the relevant parishes and townlands, who might be able to give you more specific guidance than my mere generalities. Good Luck. Ray in oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Kinsella" <janetkinsella@hotmail.com> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Ray and Clare, > Thanks so much for the suggestions. I did contact Harry Connors, but as he has had some computer problems, he couldn't find the contact info for Guy Gregory. I thought I might post on the Gregory list in hopes of finding him. ... I believe I will start with the "Ballynasollus" leads, as I believe the Griffiths' to have been after Eliza and her family left Tyrone. > Does that make sense? > Any suggestions as to how best to proceed will be gratefully accepted. > Janet > > >> From: ray15@optusnet.com.au >> Have you obtained these extracts from Griffiths for GREGORY in Tyrone?: >> http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php >> Surname First Name Townland Parish County >> Gregory William Knockonny Errigal Keerogue Tyrone >> Gregory James Killymorgan Errigal Keerogue Tyrone >> Gregory Edward Scarvagherin Ardstraw Tyrone >> NEXT: I expect that you are familiar with this obituary for your >> ancestress: >> http://www.connorshistory.com/Beaton/EGBMObituary.html >> >> Have you been in contact with the Guy GREGORY who provided that to the >> site? >> FINALLY, have you tried to search in www.seanruad.com , looking just for >> a >> townland starting with the letter B in the county of Tyrone? >> For example: Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Balix Lower 537 Tyrone Strabane Lower Donaghedy Gortin Ulster Ballaghalare 213 Tyrone Strabane Lower Donaghedy Strabane Ulster Ballee 540 Tyrone Strabane Lower Leckpatrick Strabane Ulster Ballyblagh 205 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Ballyclog Cookstown Ulster Ballyfolliard 392 Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Castlederg Ulster Ballynaloan 140 Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Castlederg Ulster Ballynasollus 925 Tyrone Strabane Upper Bodoney Upper Gortin Ulster Ballynasollus 261 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Derryloran Cookstown Ulster Ballynasollus 1,076 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Kildress Cookstown Ulster

Hi all, Some have commented on the list being slow recently. Personally, I've been busy with genie work, conferences, and society stuff. And now, of course, we have holiday slowdown. (For Americans, Turkey Day, for everyone else, the end-of-year madness -- business, and holiday planning). Whenever things are slow, I just figure everyone else is in the same boat and is too busy to post. But that's not a good attitude for a list admin... So, if ever you think the list is slow, try posting some questions and see if you can get some dialogue going. I'm fairly liberal with what I allow on the list... Here's my effort at stimulating discussion -- something I've been meaning to track down myself, but maybe it should be a community thing. Maybe even for posting on the CTI website?? (Say in your post if it's OK for Tammy to include it on the site -- and Tammy, it's OK to post this info.). I think it would be useful (and instructive) to have a list of alternate spellings of placenames from original documents. As an adjunct of that, how about parishes, etc. that have changed names over time? For instance, in Tithe Applotment, it's Teebane-Keenan and Teebane- McFarland. Who can remind me which became Teebane East and which Teebane West? Also: Townlands: Formil: Formal (TA), Formal (First Valuation), Formil (1861 Townland Index), Formil (GV) Maboy: Mobuoy (1766 Religious Census), Mabuey (TA), Moboy (T'land Index), Moboy (GV) Killucan: Killuckan (1766 Religious Census), Killuckan (TA), Killucan (First Valuation), Killucan (GV) Parishes: Errigle: Arigle (Flax) Bodoney: Burdoney (Flax), Badony (Lewis Topo. Dict.), Badony (Parl. Gazeteer) I know this is not complete (there are many more sources out there, and many better examples of spelling variations, but maybe it is enough to give an idea of what I'm picturing. Anyone want to add their favorite townland's / parish's alternate spellings in official documents? (For those who don't recognize them, the abbreviations are TA = Tithe Applotment, GV = Griffith's Valuation, and Flax = the Flaxgrowers List aka Spinning Wheel Entitlement list aka Flaxseed list). Some have questioned the Reply / Reply All. We have many subscribers with many different email clients (I've gone through quite a few myself, so I speak from experiece). For many, posts now come through with only the list address showing in the header -- so if someone wants to send a private response, they don't know the sender's email address (unless the sender includes it in the body of the post). For this reason, Reply (to sender only) and Reply All (to sender and to list) make a lot of sense to me. This is the way most mailing lists used to be, so I don't think it's too hard to remember to check before sending to be sure the post is going the way you intend -- public or private. Invariably there will be "oops" moments, but there's nothing more frustrating than wanting to respond privately and not being able to find the relevant addy, I think. Janet asked if it was necessary to cc or bcc yourself in order to get a copy of your own post. The short answer is no. BUT, if you do, you'll have confirmation that your server sent it (when you get your cc or bcc copy) and when the RW servers sent it out (when you get it through the list). Sometimes there's quite a delay -- even between the time RW sends it out and when your ISP sends it on to you, so sometimes you will get responses before you see the original post -- and I find it interesting to note. Also, sometimes it might bounce, so it's good to have date/time sent if you need to trace it. In addition, if you're subscribed in digest mode, you'll get the posts once a day, but you'll get responses if people "Reply All" to include your address (they'd have to manually remove your email addy to make sure you only get one copy, the one through the list). So there are a variety of reasons why you might cc or bcc yourself -- the reason not to, of course, is to eliminate duplicate mailings. It all depends on your comfort level. If anyone has any administrative questions about the list, please be sure to direct them to CoTyroneIreland-admin@rootsweb.com and either Claire K. (admin.) or Clare L. (asst. admin.) will get back to you. Hope that helps. Claire K

Thanks Maureen, Hoot, Ray and Nelda for making contact. When my frustration with Irish research reaches melt-down point, I dump it and take a sabbatical hunting for my wife's rellies. All English, Dutch and a few Scots. Such a pleasure! But, I'm always drawn back to the Irish lists and the land of legends and leprechauns, buoyed by the hope that, in the interim, someone has heard of my bunch. According to Griffith's, EARLYs were spread from Kerry to Donegal, from Dublin to Mayo, and many points between. I have no way of connecting with any of these families. Even if I never get further back than 1826, I enjoy reading the postings. My knowledge of Ireland and its history has benefited enormously. Best wishes Frank Early South Africa

Anyone connected with James Quinn c1879 Co. Tyrone & Maria Magee c1880. Would love to know what happened to James Quinn. He came to Canada, went into the war, and I believe went back to Belfast. His wife Maria stayed in Canada. Or Edward Quinn c1843 and Catherine Walker c1846 who were married St. Annes COI in Belfast. Edward's father was Charles Quinn and Catherine Walker's father was James Walker. Cathy Quinn

( If this has gone thru prior I am sorry BUT I am having a hard time.It seems my posts are taking "hours" to go thru. Is there a reason for this? Well...I am sorry if it "double posts"!) Hi Pam I assume you mean the google book site?lol Yes...it is an incredible site with more books every day. They range from books written in the 1700s to today. I have found on this site info in books for myself AND others ranging from....genealogical works researched by individuals, history books, military books with names in them, passenger ship books, books that describe the land (o N Ireland or perticular counties), legal books with names in them ex wills, religious books with names and locations in them.....and on and on. I can NOT emphasize enough (as those who know me will certainly nod their heads lol) that even if you can not find a perticular name...you may learn of the location of a certain town, why people migrated, the customs that were during those times, where people traveled to....military and perhaps where a why a relative may have ended up in another area. For instance...and there have been "many"...through the books I learned that it wasn't uncommon for the British to stop ships traveling to America and elsewhere....go aboard and take the able bodied men . They took them into the service. So that if someone was looking for a "male" relative who left Ireland but never arrived...it is possible THAT happened to him. Here is the site, if anyone is interested.... I put in "Tyrone County"....but just change search to your name and click search...... _http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html&q=Tyrone+County_ (http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html&q=Tyrone+County) Sue in NY In a message dated 11/25/2008 10:46:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pmunro@sbcglobal.net writes: wow. I'm impressed. Great work. gives us all an idea as well. pam munro **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)

Hello Janet. Have you obtained these extracts from Griffiths for GREGORY in Tyrone? from Failte Romhat at: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php (where I merely put GREGORY in the surname field, and selected Tyrone as the county) (You might find other helpful results by searching in ALL locations and not limitiing it to Tyrone) Surname First Name Townland Parish County Gregory William Knockonny Errigal Keerogue Tyrone Gregory James Killymorgan Errigal Keerogue Tyrone Gregory Edward Scarvagherin Ardstraw Tyrone They might provide you with a starting point, by providing the two parishes mentioned. NEXT: I expect that you are familiar with this obituary for your ancestress: http://www.connorshistory.com/Beaton/EGBMObituary.html Have you been in contact with the Guy GREGORY who provided that to the site? I ask, because with his being a descendant in the male line, he may have already done a lot of basic research, and might already have details about the location in Tyrone for you. And don't forget that the informant for the obituary might have had ONE of the two locational facts "wrong". For example if they were taking that information from some handwritten document, they might have made a transcription error themselves. NEXT: Ballinsloe is very close in spelling to Ballinasloe -- but that is located in County Galway; or so my google searches seem to indicate. FINALLY, have you tried to search in www.seanruad.com , looking just for a townland starting with the letter B in the county of Tyrone? There are several results there which MIGHT, with different spelling or pronunciation transcritpions come close in appearance to your Ballinsloe. For example: Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Balix Lower 537 Tyrone Strabane Lower Donaghedy Gortin Ulster Ballaghalare 213 Tyrone Strabane Lower Donaghedy Strabane Ulster Ballee 540 Tyrone Strabane Lower Leckpatrick Strabane Ulster Ballyblagh 205 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Ballyclog Cookstown Ulster Ballyfolliard 392 Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Castlederg Ulster Ballynaloan 140 Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Castlederg Ulster Ballynasollus 925 Tyrone Strabane Upper Bodoney Upper Gortin Ulster Ballynasollus 261 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Derryloran Cookstown Ulster Ballynasollus 1,076 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Kildress Cookstown Ulster HTH. Ray in Oz ----- Original Message ----- > > Hello, > Long time lurker, first time poster. My gggrandmother's cemetery record > shows her as born 15AUG 1828, "Ballinsloe", CountyTyrone, Ireland. Her > name was Elizabeth (Eliza) Gregory. (She may have been born in 1828) She > came to Galena, Illinois, USA in 1843, to join a brother and sister > already here - Ellen and James. Later census records show an Ann and a > Hannah Gregory in Ellen's household, but do not give a relationship. > Eliza was Roman Catholic, and was most likely illiterate. The place names > would probably have been supplied by her daughter(s), and would likely > have been a phonetic spelling representation of what they may have heard. > My first question to the List is - Is anyone aware of a place that would > sound like Ballinsole but perhaps have a different spelling? > Thank You for your help, > Janet

Janet, I sent a note this morning from a mobile device which looks like it didn't go through. I suggested use of the "Householders Index" for Co. tyrone which covers both the earleir Tithe Applotment of the 1820-30s and the Primary (a.k.a. Griffith's) Valuation (late 1850s to early 60s for Tyrone). The following is from a database based upon the Householders Index. I suggest you check the original books for accuracy: For the GREGORY surname in the 9 counties of the Province of Ulster: County Total (with the # for the head of household based upon Griffith's) Cavan 1 Down 5 Antrim 5 Monaghan 4 Tyrone 2 Londonderry 0 Armagh 12 Donegal 24 Fermanagh 12 The details for Tyrone: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Griffith Valuation Tithe Survey ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- . Householders Recorded; Civil Parish (Barony *); Poor Law Union; Year of Valuation; Present In Parish; Year of Survey 1 ARDSTRAW (LOWER STRABANE); CASTLEDERG, GORTIN,OMAGH & STRABANE; 1860 No 1833 0 CARNTEEL; CLOGHER & DUNGANNON; 1860 Yes 1827 0 DONAGHMORE; DUNGANNON; 1860 Yes 1815 1 DONAGHMORE; DUNGANNON; 1860 Yes 1815 0 ERRIGAL KEEROGUE; CLOGHER & DUNGANNON 1860 Yes 1833 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- 2 Total Householders Recorded * The name of the barony is listed only in cases where the civil parish is located in more than one barony ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- I hope that gives you some research leads. Given that there are over 40 civil parishes in the County, its not too bad at all. If you wanted to narrow it further, you could do a similar Householders Index search for the maiden surname who married the GREGORY. Good luck, Clare L. - - - - -Some of my Co Tyrone names: Devlin, McAleer, Donnelly, McCullagh, McCusker, McCrory -----Original Message----- From: Ray <ray15@optusnet.com.au> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 3:25 am Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] : Help w/placename - GREGORY in Tyrone Hello Once more, Janet. 1. Yes, posting on the GREGORY list, sounds like a great idea; not only for flushing out Guy GREGORY; but for your GREGORY research in general. 2. Regarding the Griffiths, and its possibly being after Eliza and her family left Tyrone; my belief is that usually when even most of the family emigrated, they will have left behind, if not at least one older sibling, more distant family members like aunts/uncles/cousins. etc. 3. Given that the Griffiths gives GREGORY in Ardstraw parish; and that Ballynaloan is in Ardstraw,and might look very much like Ballinsloe in running writing, I'd be tempted to give that at try. Hopefully there will be others on this list who have personal experience with the relevant parishes and townlands, who might be able to give you more specific guidance than my mere generalities. Good Luck. Ray in oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Kinsella" <janetkinsella@hotmail.com> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Ray and Clare, > Thanks so much for the suggestions. I did contact Harry Connors, but as he has had some computer problems, he couldn't find the contact info for Guy Gregory. I thought I might post on the Gregory list in hopes of finding him. ... I believe I will start with the "Ballynasollus" leads, as I believe the Griffiths' to have been after Eliza and her family left Tyrone. > Does that make sense? > Any suggestions as to how best to proceed will be gratefully accepted. > Janet > > >> From: ray15@optusnet.com.au >> Have you obtained these extracts from Griffiths for GREGORY in Tyrone?: >> http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php >> Surname First Name Townland Parish County >> Gregory William Knockonny Errigal Keerogue Tyrone >> Gregory James Killymorgan Errigal Keerogue Tyrone >> Gregory Edward Scarvagherin Ardstraw Tyrone >> NEXT: I expect that you are familiar with this obituary for your >> ancestress: >> http://www.connorshistory.com/Beaton/EGBMObituary.html >> >> Have you been in contact with the Guy GREGORY who provided that to the >> site? >> FINALLY, have you tried to search in www.seanruad.com , looking just for >> a >> townland starting with the letter B in the county of Tyrone? >> For example: Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Balix Lower 537 Tyrone Strabane Lower Donaghedy Gortin Ulster Ballaghalare 213 Tyrone Strabane Lower Donaghedy Strabane Ulster Ballee 540 Tyrone Strabane Lower Leckpatrick Strabane Ulster Ballyblagh 205 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Ballyclog Cookstown Ulster Ballyfolliard 392 Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Castlederg Ulster Ballynaloan 140 Tyrone Strabane Lower Ardstraw Castlederg Ulster Ballynasollus 925 Tyrone Strabane Upper Bodoney Upper Gortin Ulster Ballynasollus 261 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Derryloran Cookstown Ulster Ballynasollus 1,076 Tyrone Dungannon Upper Kildress Cookstown Ulster

Hi Pam I assume you mean the google book site?lol Yes...it is an incredible site with more books every day. They range from books written in the 1700s to today. I have found on this site info in books for myself AND others ranging from....genealogical works researched by individuals, history books, military books with names in them, passenger ship books, books that describe the land (o N Ireland or perticular counties), legal books with names in them ex wills, religious books with names and locations in them.....and on and on. I can NOT emphasize enough (as those who know me will certainly nod their heads lol) that even if you can not find a perticular name...you may learn of the location of a certain town, why people migrated, the customs that were during those times, where people traveled to....military and perhaps where a why a relative may have ended up in another area. For instance...and there have been "many"...through the books I learned that it wasn't uncommon for the British to stop ships traveling to America and elsewhere....go aboard and take the able bodied men . They took them into the service. So that if someone was looking for a "male" relative who left Ireland but never arrived...it is possible THAT happened to him. Here is the site, if anyone is interested.... I put in "Tyrone County"....but just change search to your name and click search...... _http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html&q=Tyrone+County_ (http://books.google.com/books?ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html&q=Tyrone+County) Sue in NY In a message dated 11/25/2008 10:46:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pmunro@sbcglobal.net writes: wow. I'm impressed. Great work. gives us all an idea as well. pam munro **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)

Thanks, Nelda, that explanation was wonderful. > [Original Message] > From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> > To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/24/2008 5:14:55 PM > Subject: [CoTyIre] Genetic Genealogy - What can it do for me > > > Hi, > I'm researching in County Tyrone for Gilpin descendants. Not only am I a Gilpin whose ancestry goes from the States to Canada to Ireland, I am doing a one surname study and DNA project, world wide. If you have ever wondered about Genetic Genealogy I have a very nice (so I've been told) web page explaining it all.... > > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > Please feel free to drop by when ever. > > Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message