According to Wikipedia the Penal Laws were intended to 'discriminate against Roman Catholics and Protestant dissenters (for example Presbyterians) in favour of the established Church of Ireland.' However I have been unable to verify this elsewhere. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand. Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] History behind our history > And then the later penal laws dictated that one could not inherit the > land or do alot of other nice things unless one converted to the Church > of Ireland. There are lists of dissenters and non conformists as well as > lists of converts. Intended to address primarily Catholics, I think the > laws also applied to any protestant that was not Anglican. Does anyone > know?

Hi Joy, Here are some links which will give you further info on NI history and further detail about events. These should answer many of your questions....and provide the history behind the history of your family http://www.historyonthenet.com/Chronology/timelinenorthernireland.htm http://www.localhistories.org/irishtime.html http://www.irishhistorylinks.net/Irish_History_Timeline.html more detail here about events

Hi Again I just want to thank everyone for trying to help me out with the problem I was having trying to down load images from the LDS pilot site. I send an e-mail to LDS and they were able to give me the steps I needed to do, to correct this problem. It seems the problem had to do with my Vista operating system and its security settings. Everything's great now, I was able to down load a marriage for one of my family members. I found that she was married in the US and who her husband was. Again thanks everyone, this is the best support system... Marilyn Sorry Guys I'm not getting it? Here are the steps I am taking.. Once the image can be viewed I have options Print and beside that Save.. If I just click on the Save arrow, NO option or pop-up is given When I right click on Save a window pops up for adoble flash player settings? I have checked my Pictures and also Documents and I can't find any file. Sorry to going on about this but I am finding quite frustration. Marilyn Hi Theresa Thank you for the instructions, I tried everything I could think of last night with no luck. I am no whiz on the computer so I am grateful for any and all help. So help !!! I can't seem to save an image, or if I am saving it I can't find it. I'm not sure if the problem is I am using Vista, but I have looked and can't find the image. Can you give me any more help with this problem. Thanks again Marilyn Hi again Claire, I should have said in my original message, that since you are having difficulty accessing the records, LDS rely on being told this. If you press the Feedback button at the top of the page and let them know then they'll fix it. Secondly I should also have said that you can copy the text and the image to your own pc. When you click on a person's name the record details are displayed. If you click on Copy to clipboard you can then paste the details to a document and save. When you load the image, just click on Save and the image will be saved to your documents folder. This saves transcribing the data and means that you can access it again easily whenever you want from your saved copies on your pc. Hope this helps Theresa

Then there were the landlords in Scottish highlands that cleared their tenants too....these people only knew farming so where were the opportunities for them then? Ireland was one! Loretta wrote: > Presuming to fill in David's picture just a bit, there is one slightly > different but related reason some Scots went to Ulster. In Scotland, the > law of primogeniture dictated that the eldest son inherit the father's land. > So, younger sons of landed families (called cadets) gladly went to Ireland > as part of the Ulster plantation to make their own fortune. They did not > necessarily go for hire but to own a bit of land of their own. > > For example, Scots David Lynn and John Lynn, who appear to be cadets of the > Lynns of that Ilk in Dalry, Ayrshire, went to Ulster in 1616 or earlier and > settled on the estate of Dunnalong in County Tyrone, which had been granted > to the Earl of Abercorn. In 1622, John Lynn was listed as a "freeholder" on > the Dunnalong estate. Now, the Earl's brother-in-law, Sir Thomas Boyd, was > a fifth son of the then Lord Boyd of Kilmarnock (Ayrshire), and he had been > granted the property adjacent to Abercorn's. Notably, the Lynns and the > Boyds were associated in Ayrshire through various land transactions, both > before and after 1616, and I believe it was that association which enabled > the younger Lynns to "make their fortune." in Ulster. > > Loretta > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Hogg > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:16 AM > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CoTyIre] History behind our history > > > I am getting GREAT reflections regarding my question about why a Scots > would leave Scotland in the late 1700s and migrate to Tyrone. What was the > economy like and what sort of work would a young man get upon arriving? Ag > lab? ... > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090128-0, 28/01/2009 > Tested on: 29/01/2009 20:29:23 > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > >

/" A number of reasons. Just a few to start - It wasn't unusual - The Irish and Scottish had been cross migrating for centuries. One can see Scotland from Giant's Causeway. The economy was horrendous. " / So you are saying nothing has changed!!/ /John C. Hall wrote: > Good morning; > > If you have any surnames like Jones, Davies or Rees, chances are that you > have Welsh, Protestant ties. > > John C. Hall, Petaluma, California > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> > To: "Mary LaValley" <marylongstreth@mac.com>; <amroche1@aol.com> > Cc: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com>; <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:23 AM > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > > > >> To be fair it should be mentioned that when Catholics were in power in >> Scotland, they persecuted non-Catholics, causing many to go to N. Ireland >> so they would not have to sign a declaration of faith for the Catholic >> religion. I was reading online last week about the Agnews of Wigtown on >> the southern coast of Scotland. The Agnews had been hereditary Sheriffs >> there for several generations. When Sir Andrew Agnew was the Sheriff he >> was scolded by the government for not enforcing the rule requiring all >> subjects to sign the declaration and finally removed as Sheriff and >> Catholic Highland soldiers were sent to enforce the rule. To avoid having >> to sign the declaration, Sir Andrew went to his N. Ireland lands for a >> good while as did several other protestants from Southern Scotland. As I >> see it, a lot of the religious persecution was done for political purposes >> by all sides, the Protestants, Catholics and Church of England which I >> think is a shame since all 3 are Christians in basic b! >> eliefs. >> >> In my Kincaid family, they left Scotland for Ulster after the Uprising of >> 1688 since they were on the losing side. They then came to the then >> Colonies in mid 1700's. My father told me we were Scots-Irish-Welsh but I >> have never found the Welsh connection. Also have not found Joseph >> Kincaid's parents in Ulster. His name was spelled Kinkead on some early >> documents in the Colony of Virginia. >> >> Don W. Kincaid >> Texas, USA >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mary LaValley >> To: amroche1@aol.com >> Cc: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com ; joyhogghwh@yahoo.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >> >> >> A number of reasons. Just a few to start - It wasn't unusual - The Irish >> and Scottish had been cross migrating for centuries. One can see Scotland >> from Giant's Causeway. The economy was horrendous. The English >> historically persecuted Scottish Catholics ( not sure of the McClelland >> religion) so many left. The English were still recruiting Lowland Scots >> ( not Catholics) to settle in Ireland in order to eliminate Catholicism >> and native Irish culture. This overlaps with the English effort to settle >> the migration of Protestants escaping wars on the European continent and >> to settle the US colonies. Hope this helps. >> Mary >> On Thursday, January 29, 2009, at 09:13AM, <amroche1@aol.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hello all! I am also interested in why Scots would leave Scotland for >> Ireland in the mid to late 1700s. My McClellands (2 brothers) left >> Scotland for Co Tyrone about 1760. When replying to Joy, please "reply to >> all." >> >Thanks! >> >Alice >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Joy Hogg <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> >> >To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> >Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 5:32 am >> >Subject: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Dear folks, I'd like to thank the volunteers who have been transcribing >> and >> >entering thousands of names and dates for historical purposes. What a >> wonderful >> >generous way to spend time. >> >Also, I am catching bits of great advice, especially about ages. Do you >> think a >> >disregard to exact age was common all over the place? I have a British >> person in >> >Canada whose age seemed to have declined about 12 years upon remarriage >> >after?losing the first wife. >> >?Could you walk me through the instructions for accessing the new >> information? >> >Is this at the LDS site or somewhere else? >> >Also, I continue to need any assistance for Bayne, Hogg and Farrell.I >> can >> >picture a young James Hogg walking to Tyrone County from Scotland, and >> >eventually marrying a Sarah McKee in the late 1700's. From historical >> >conjecture, put your thinking caps on for me. Why would Scots leave >> Scotland at >> >that time? How would he have been received by the people in the area? >> Would a >> >single man have traveled alone or always with a group of relatives? Did >> the >> >Scots retain their "Scots" demeanor and speech, or assimilate? >> >As a Canadian in the US, I will help re: history on this side of the >> pond... >> >Joy Hogg >> > >> >------------- >> >Our community web-site: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >> > >> > >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com >> >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of >> >the message >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >------------- >> >Our community web-site: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >> > >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! 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RE; Hogg, Bayne and Farrell They sound like a firm of Solicitors!! :-D Joy Hogg wrote: > I have not read the book Salt but understand that is a version of history where the need and pursuit of salt directed some historical migrations and commerce - thus affecting history! I'd love to see history rewritten based on the need and pursuit of great grog! > > History is always being rewritten! When my daughter took a Women's Studies course, my husband growled "Where is the Men's Studies course?" I told him there always has been one, and it is called His Story..." > > Now, after all the amusement, help me with the Hogg, Bayne and Farrell story! Who the heck were they? > Joy > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090128-0, 28/01/2009 > Tested on: 29/01/2009 17:04:04 > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > >

And then the later penal laws dictated that one could not inherit the land or do alot of other nice things unless one converted to the Church of Ireland. There are lists of dissenters and non conformists as well as lists of converts. Intended to address primarily Catholics, I think the laws also applied to any protestant that was not Anglican. Does anyone know? On Thursday, January 29, 2009, at 03:42PM, "David Hall" <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> wrote: >Then there were the landlords in Scottish highlands that cleared their >tenants too....these people only knew farming so where were the >opportunities for them then? Ireland was one! > > > >Loretta wrote: >> Presuming to fill in David's picture just a bit, there is one slightly >> different but related reason some Scots went to Ulster. In Scotland, the >> law of primogeniture dictated that the eldest son inherit the father's land. >> So, younger sons of landed families (called cadets) gladly went to Ireland >> as part of the Ulster plantation to make their own fortune. They did not >> necessarily go for hire but to own a bit of land of their own. >> >> For example, Scots David Lynn and John Lynn, who appear to be cadets of the >> Lynns of that Ilk in Dalry, Ayrshire, went to Ulster in 1616 or earlier and >> settled on the estate of Dunnalong in County Tyrone, which had been granted >> to the Earl of Abercorn. In 1622, John Lynn was listed as a "freeholder" on >> the Dunnalong estate. Now, the Earl's brother-in-law, Sir Thomas Boyd, was >> a fifth son of the then Lord Boyd of Kilmarnock (Ayrshire), and he had been >> granted the property adjacent to Abercorn's. Notably, the Lynns and the >> Boyds were associated in Ayrshire through various land transactions, both >> before and after 1616, and I believe it was that association which enabled >> the younger Lynns to "make their fortune." in Ulster. >> >> Loretta >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Hogg >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:16 AM >> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [CoTyIre] History behind our history >> >> >> I am getting GREAT reflections regarding my question about why a Scots >> would leave Scotland in the late 1700s and migrate to Tyrone. What was the >> economy like and what sort of work would a young man get upon arriving? Ag >> lab? ... >> >> >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. >> Virus Database (VPS): 090128-0, 28/01/2009 >> Tested on: 29/01/2009 20:29:23 >> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> > >------------- >Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Pretty much!!!! On Thursday, January 29, 2009, at 02:43PM, "David Hall" <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> wrote: >/" A number of reasons. Just a few to start - It wasn't unusual - The >Irish and Scottish had been cross migrating for centuries. One can see >Scotland from Giant's Causeway. The economy was horrendous. " >/ >So you are saying nothing has changed!!/ > > > >/John C. Hall wrote: >> Good morning; >> >> If you have any surnames like Jones, Davies or Rees, chances are that you >> have Welsh, Protestant ties. >> >> John C. Hall, Petaluma, California >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> >> To: "Mary LaValley" <marylongstreth@mac.com>; <amroche1@aol.com> >> Cc: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com>; <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:23 AM >> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >> >> >> >>> To be fair it should be mentioned that when Catholics were in power in >>> Scotland, they persecuted non-Catholics, causing many to go to N. Ireland >>> so they would not have to sign a declaration of faith for the Catholic >>> religion. I was reading online last week about the Agnews of Wigtown on >>> the southern coast of Scotland. The Agnews had been hereditary Sheriffs >>> there for several generations. When Sir Andrew Agnew was the Sheriff he >>> was scolded by the government for not enforcing the rule requiring all >>> subjects to sign the declaration and finally removed as Sheriff and >>> Catholic Highland soldiers were sent to enforce the rule. To avoid having >>> to sign the declaration, Sir Andrew went to his N. Ireland lands for a >>> good while as did several other protestants from Southern Scotland. As I >>> see it, a lot of the religious persecution was done for political purposes >>> by all sides, the Protestants, Catholics and Church of England which I >>> think is a shame since all 3 are Christians in basic b! >>> eliefs. >>> >>> In my Kincaid family, they left Scotland for Ulster after the Uprising of >>> 1688 since they were on the losing side. They then came to the then >>> Colonies in mid 1700's. My father told me we were Scots-Irish-Welsh but I >>> have never found the Welsh connection. Also have not found Joseph >>> Kincaid's parents in Ulster. His name was spelled Kinkead on some early >>> documents in the Colony of Virginia. >>> >>> Don W. Kincaid >>> Texas, USA >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Mary LaValley >>> To: amroche1@aol.com >>> Cc: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com ; joyhogghwh@yahoo.com >>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:40 AM >>> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >>> >>> >>> A number of reasons. Just a few to start - It wasn't unusual - The Irish >>> and Scottish had been cross migrating for centuries. One can see Scotland >>> from Giant's Causeway. The economy was horrendous. The English >>> historically persecuted Scottish Catholics ( not sure of the McClelland >>> religion) so many left. The English were still recruiting Lowland Scots >>> ( not Catholics) to settle in Ireland in order to eliminate Catholicism >>> and native Irish culture. This overlaps with the English effort to settle >>> the migration of Protestants escaping wars on the European continent and >>> to settle the US colonies. Hope this helps. >>> Mary >>> On Thursday, January 29, 2009, at 09:13AM, <amroche1@aol.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hello all! I am also interested in why Scots would leave Scotland for >>> Ireland in the mid to late 1700s. My McClellands (2 brothers) left >>> Scotland for Co Tyrone about 1760. When replying to Joy, please "reply to >>> all." >>> >Thanks! >>> >Alice >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Joy Hogg <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> >>> >To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >>> >Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 5:32 am >>> >Subject: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >Dear folks, I'd like to thank the volunteers who have been transcribing >>> and >>> >entering thousands of names and dates for historical purposes. What a >>> wonderful >>> >generous way to spend time. >>> >Also, I am catching bits of great advice, especially about ages. Do you >>> think a >>> >disregard to exact age was common all over the place? I have a British >>> person in >>> >Canada whose age seemed to have declined about 12 years upon remarriage >>> >after?losing the first wife. >>> >?Could you walk me through the instructions for accessing the new >>> information? >>> >Is this at the LDS site or somewhere else? >>> >Also, I continue to need any assistance for Bayne, Hogg and Farrell.I >>> can >>> >picture a young James Hogg walking to Tyrone County from Scotland, and >>> >eventually marrying a Sarah McKee in the late 1700's. From historical >>> >conjecture, put your thinking caps on for me. Why would Scots leave >>> Scotland at >>> >that time? How would he have been received by the people in the area? >>> Would a >>> >single man have traveled alone or always with a group of relatives? Did >>> the >>> >Scots retain their "Scots" demeanor and speech, or assimilate? >>> >As a Canadian in the US, I will help re: history on this side of the >>> pond... >>> >Joy Hogg >>> > >>> >------------- >>> >Our community web-site: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >------------------------------- >>> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com >>> >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of >>> >the message >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >------------- >>> >Our community web-site: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >>> > >>> > >>> >------------------------------- >>> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> > >>> >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------- >>> Our community web-site: >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> avast! 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Joy I think it might be worth your while obtaining a copies of the Ordnance Survey Memoirs for Co Tyrone. There are 2 volumes. You can find details of them here and purchase them if you wish. http://www.booksireland.org.uk/index.php?ordnancesurvey They give a great insight into life in the 1830s. I learned so much and refer back to them often. Theresa _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger just got better .Video display pics, contact updates & more. http://www.download.live.com/messenger

The following website might help some of you understand why your Scottish Ancestors first went to Ulster before emigrating elsewhere: http://ancestryireland.com/scotsinulster/ Theresa _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger just got better .Video display pics, contact updates & more. http://www.download.live.com/messenger

Presuming to fill in David's picture just a bit, there is one slightly different but related reason some Scots went to Ulster. In Scotland, the law of primogeniture dictated that the eldest son inherit the father's land. So, younger sons of landed families (called cadets) gladly went to Ireland as part of the Ulster plantation to make their own fortune. They did not necessarily go for hire but to own a bit of land of their own. For example, Scots David Lynn and John Lynn, who appear to be cadets of the Lynns of that Ilk in Dalry, Ayrshire, went to Ulster in 1616 or earlier and settled on the estate of Dunnalong in County Tyrone, which had been granted to the Earl of Abercorn. In 1622, John Lynn was listed as a "freeholder" on the Dunnalong estate. Now, the Earl's brother-in-law, Sir Thomas Boyd, was a fifth son of the then Lord Boyd of Kilmarnock (Ayrshire), and he had been granted the property adjacent to Abercorn's. Notably, the Lynns and the Boyds were associated in Ayrshire through various land transactions, both before and after 1616, and I believe it was that association which enabled the younger Lynns to "make their fortune." in Ulster. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Hogg Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:16 AM To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] History behind our history I am getting GREAT reflections regarding  my question about why a Scots would leave Scotland in the late 1700s and migrate to Tyrone. What was the economy like and what sort of work would a young man get upon arriving? Ag lab? ...

Well many a true word was said in jest! I can imagine a clan gathering in Scotland, celebrating the new century...passing the Whisky around and complaining about having nothing different to drink, so up they get, into their boats and off to Ireland for a few pints!! (Must get onto Guinness Brewery to see if they need a new ad!) :-D Even William of Orange was only trying to cross the Boyne to get to the Guinness Brewery when they were set upon by people trying to stop them having a few scoops of the black stuff! History needs to be rewritten! Robyn Moore wrote: >> From information I have gathered so far, my gr-gr-grandfather was, as a > Presbyterian, driven out of Scotland around the early 1800s and > relocated in Tyrone, but I like David Hall's explanation better!!! > > >> From: David Hall <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> >> To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [CoTyIre] [Fwd: Re: BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell] >> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:46:21 +0000 >> >> >> >> Well Guinness brewery started in 1759....so maybe they preferred it to >> Whisky?? ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> John Hogg wrote: >> > I had a family of Kirkpatrick who came from Scotland say 1800 or so >> and >> > eventually settled in Fermanagh. Maguiresbridge area. Not a clue >> as to why >> > though. >> > >> > Other lines in this area - McCoy in Tyrone and Jackson in Fermanagh. >> > >> > My Hogg line stayed in Scotland - Hawick where my GF was born 1876. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com >> > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> amroche1@aol.com >> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:14 AM >> > To: joyhogghwh@yahoo.com; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >> > >> > >> > Hello all! I am also interested in why Scots would leave Scotland for >> > Ireland in the mid to late 1700s. My McClellands (2 brothers) left >> Scotland >> > for Co Tyrone about 1760. When replying to Joy, please "reply to all." >> > Thanks! >> > Alice >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joy Hogg <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> >> > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >> > Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 5:32 am >> > Subject: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Dear folks, I'd like to thank the volunteers who have been >> transcribing and >> > entering thousands of names and dates for historical purposes. What a >> > wonderful >> > generous way to spend time. >> > Also, I am catching bits of great advice, especially about ages. Do >> you >> > think a >> > disregard to exact age was common all over the place? I have a British >> > person in >> > Canada whose age seemed to have declined about 12 years upon >> remarriage >> > after?losing the first wife. >> > ?Could you walk me through the instructions for accessing the new >> > information? >> > Is this at the LDS site or somewhere else? >> > Also, I continue to need any assistance for Bayne, Hogg and >> Farrell.I can >> > picture a young James Hogg walking to Tyrone County from Scotland, and >> > eventually marrying a Sarah McKee in the late 1700's. From historical >> > conjecture, put your thinking caps on for me. Why would Scots leave >> Scotland >> > at >> > that time? How would he have been received by the people in the >> area? 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>From information I have gathered so far, my gr-gr-grandfather was, as a Presbyterian, driven out of Scotland around the early 1800s and relocated in Tyrone, but I like David Hall's explanation better!!! >From: David Hall <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> >To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CoTyIre] [Fwd: Re: BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell] >Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:46:21 +0000 > > > >Well Guinness brewery started in 1759....so maybe they preferred it to >Whisky?? ;-) > > > > > > >John Hogg wrote: > > I had a family of Kirkpatrick who came from Scotland say 1800 or so and > > eventually settled in Fermanagh. Maguiresbridge area. Not a clue as to >why > > though. > > > > Other lines in this area - McCoy in Tyrone and Jackson in Fermanagh. > > > > My Hogg line stayed in Scotland - Hawick where my GF was born 1876. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >amroche1@aol.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:14 AM > > To: joyhogghwh@yahoo.com; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > > > > > > Hello all! I am also interested in why Scots would leave Scotland for > > Ireland in the mid to late 1700s. My McClellands (2 brothers) left >Scotland > > for Co Tyrone about 1760. When replying to Joy, please "reply to all." > > Thanks! > > Alice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joy Hogg <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> > > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 5:32 am > > Subject: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear folks, I'd like to thank the volunteers who have been transcribing >and > > entering thousands of names and dates for historical purposes. What a > > wonderful > > generous way to spend time. > > Also, I am catching bits of great advice, especially about ages. Do you > > think a > > disregard to exact age was common all over the place? I have a British > > person in > > Canada whose age seemed to have declined about 12 years upon remarriage > > after?losing the first wife. > > ?Could you walk me through the instructions for accessing the new > > information? > > Is this at the LDS site or somewhere else? > > Also, I continue to need any assistance for Bayne, Hogg and Farrell.I >can > > picture a young James Hogg walking to Tyrone County from Scotland, and > > eventually marrying a Sarah McKee in the late 1700's. From historical > > conjecture, put your thinking caps on for me. Why would Scots leave >Scotland > > at > > that time? How would he have been received by the people in the area? >Would > > a > > single man have traveled alone or always with a group of relatives? Did >the > > Scots retain their "Scots" demeanor and speech, or assimilate? > > As a Canadian in the US, I will help re: history on this side of the >pond... > > Joy Hogg > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body > > of > > the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --- > > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > > Virus Database (VPS): 090128-0, 28/01/2009 > > Tested on: 29/01/2009 14:33:55 > > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------- >Our community web-site: >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well Guinness brewery started in 1759....so maybe they preferred it to Whisky?? ;-) John Hogg wrote: > I had a family of Kirkpatrick who came from Scotland say 1800 or so and > eventually settled in Fermanagh. Maguiresbridge area. Not a clue as to why > though. > > Other lines in this area - McCoy in Tyrone and Jackson in Fermanagh. > > My Hogg line stayed in Scotland - Hawick where my GF was born 1876. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of amroche1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:14 AM > To: joyhogghwh@yahoo.com; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > > > Hello all! I am also interested in why Scots would leave Scotland for > Ireland in the mid to late 1700s. My McClellands (2 brothers) left Scotland > for Co Tyrone about 1760. When replying to Joy, please "reply to all." > Thanks! > Alice > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joy Hogg <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 5:32 am > Subject: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > > > > > > > > > > > Dear folks, I'd like to thank the volunteers who have been transcribing and > entering thousands of names and dates for historical purposes. What a > wonderful > generous way to spend time. > Also, I am catching bits of great advice, especially about ages. Do you > think a > disregard to exact age was common all over the place? I have a British > person in > Canada whose age seemed to have declined about 12 years upon remarriage > after?losing the first wife. > ?Could you walk me through the instructions for accessing the new > information? > Is this at the LDS site or somewhere else? > Also, I continue to need any assistance for Bayne, Hogg and Farrell.I can > picture a young James Hogg walking to Tyrone County from Scotland, and > eventually marrying a Sarah McKee in the late 1700's. From historical > conjecture, put your thinking caps on for me. Why would Scots leave Scotland > at > that time? How would he have been received by the people in the area? Would > a > single man have traveled alone or always with a group of relatives? Did the > Scots retain their "Scots" demeanor and speech, or assimilate? > As a Canadian in the US, I will help re: history on this side of the pond... > Joy Hogg > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 090128-0, 28/01/2009 > Tested on: 29/01/2009 14:33:55 > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > >

Many Scottish landlords were given land in Ireland, they weren't going to trust the people thrown off the land to work for them! They hired Scottish people to run the estates!

Yeah, too many control freaks in this world! Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: "Mary LaValley" <marylongstreth@mac.com>; <amroche1@aol.com> Cc: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com>; <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > To be fair it should be mentioned that when Catholics were in power in > Scotland, they persecuted non-Catholics, causing many to go to N. Ireland > so they would not have to sign a declaration of faith for the Catholic > religion. I was reading online last week about the Agnews of Wigtown on > the southern coast of Scotland. The Agnews had been hereditary Sheriffs > there for several generations. When Sir Andrew Agnew was the Sheriff he > was scolded by the government for not enforcing the rule requiring all > subjects to sign the declaration and finally removed as Sheriff and > Catholic Highland soldiers were sent to enforce the rule. To avoid having > to sign the declaration, Sir Andrew went to his N. Ireland lands for a > good while as did several other protestants from Southern Scotland. As I > see it, a lot of the religious persecution was done for political purposes > by all sides, the Protestants, Catholics and Church of England which I > think is a shame since all 3 are Christians in basic b! > eliefs. > > In my Kincaid family, they left Scotland for Ulster after the Uprising of > 1688 since they were on the losing side. They then came to the then > Colonies in mid 1700's. My father told me we were Scots-Irish-Welsh but I > have never found the Welsh connection. Also have not found Joseph > Kincaid's parents in Ulster. His name was spelled Kinkead on some early > documents in the Colony of Virginia. > > Don W. Kincaid > Texas, USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary LaValley > To: amroche1@aol.com > Cc: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com ; joyhogghwh@yahoo.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:40 AM > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > > > A number of reasons. Just a few to start - It wasn't unusual - The Irish > and Scottish had been cross migrating for centuries. One can see Scotland > from Giant's Causeway. The economy was horrendous. The English > historically persecuted Scottish Catholics ( not sure of the McClelland > religion) so many left. The English were still recruiting Lowland Scots > ( not Catholics) to settle in Ireland in order to eliminate Catholicism > and native Irish culture. This overlaps with the English effort to settle > the migration of Protestants escaping wars on the European continent and > to settle the US colonies. Hope this helps. > Mary > On Thursday, January 29, 2009, at 09:13AM, <amroche1@aol.com> wrote: > > > > Hello all! I am also interested in why Scots would leave Scotland for > Ireland in the mid to late 1700s. My McClellands (2 brothers) left > Scotland for Co Tyrone about 1760. When replying to Joy, please "reply to > all." > >Thanks! > >Alice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Joy Hogg <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> > >To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 5:32 am > >Subject: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear folks, I'd like to thank the volunteers who have been transcribing > and > >entering thousands of names and dates for historical purposes. What a > wonderful > >generous way to spend time. > >Also, I am catching bits of great advice, especially about ages. Do you > think a > >disregard to exact age was common all over the place? I have a British > person in > >Canada whose age seemed to have declined about 12 years upon remarriage > >after?losing the first wife. > >?Could you walk me through the instructions for accessing the new > information? > >Is this at the LDS site or somewhere else? > >Also, I continue to need any assistance for Bayne, Hogg and Farrell.I > can > >picture a young James Hogg walking to Tyrone County from Scotland, and > >eventually marrying a Sarah McKee in the late 1700's. From historical > >conjecture, put your thinking caps on for me. Why would Scots leave > Scotland at > >that time? How would he have been received by the people in the area? > Would a > >single man have traveled alone or always with a group of relatives? Did > the > >Scots retain their "Scots" demeanor and speech, or assimilate? > >As a Canadian in the US, I will help re: history on this side of the > pond... > >Joy Hogg > > > >------------- > >Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > >the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------- > >Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The economy in Ireland wasn't so hot either. Many were farmers and weavers. Many Scots came to consider themselves Irish. Many of those who migrated to Ireland left for the Colonies and for Canada. The preparation of woolen textiles was prohibited in order to support the development of the linen industry. There were periodic famines. There were military operations and rebellions ( also resulting in transportation to US, West Indies and eventually Australia). The English were encouraging the adoption of The Church of England over any other religion and actively working on the Penal Laws. There was an effort to encourage settlement of western Ireland that included kicking folks out of homes rented or otherwise. My native Irish lost their land for participating in the Confederation of Kilkenny. My native and Scots Irish both suffered in the pre-famine economic years and came to the US. Two books of many I've found helpful - The Civil Wars in Britain and Ireland 1638-1651 by Martyn Bennet and Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors - William J. Roulston. Dr. Roulston is a great speaker and this book, among others, is available from the Ulster Historical Association. On Thursday, January 29, 2009, at 10:15AM, "Joy Hogg" <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> wrote: >I am getting GREAT reflections regarding  my question about why a Scots would leave Scotland in the late 1700s and migrate to Tyrone. What was the economy like and what sort of work would a young man get upon arriving? Ag lab? > As I do my histories, I am trying to put context with the lists. What was life like for our folks in Tyrone in the early 1800's? What did they wear, eat, do for a living? What were the controversies and conflicts of the times? Did The Troubles affect them much in this area? My husband tells me his family, calling themselves Ulstermen, left Ireland in the early 1900's and retained a grim attitude towards The Troubles even while they lived in the US and Canada. >I hope we will discuss some of the social and historical underpinnings of the times so we can understand the why as well as the who. And for those of us who have never lived or visited Ireland, this kind of information would be really welcome. I do hope to visit within the next few years after we stop putting kids through college! >(Of course, I was a history graduate...) >Joy Hogg > >------------- >Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Don't forget that there was a widespread reign of terror in Scotland after the Battle of Culloden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Culloden) as thousands were executed, deported and hounded out of their homes, mainly in the Highlands. Also in the late 1700s there were mutinies among Scottish regiments that probably contributed to the diaspora. Roy

A number of reasons. Just a few to start - It wasn't unusual - The Irish and Scottish had been cross migrating for centuries. One can see Scotland from Giant's Causeway. The economy was horrendous. The English historically persecuted Scottish Catholics ( not sure of the McClelland religion) so many left. The English were still recruiting Lowland Scots ( not Catholics) to settle in Ireland in order to eliminate Catholicism and native Irish culture. This overlaps with the English effort to settle the migration of Protestants escaping wars on the European continent and to settle the US colonies. Hope this helps. Mary On Thursday, January 29, 2009, at 09:13AM, <amroche1@aol.com> wrote: > > Hello all! I am also interested in why Scots would leave Scotland for Ireland in the mid to late 1700s. My McClellands (2 brothers) left Scotland for Co Tyrone about 1760. When replying to Joy, please "reply to all." >Thanks! >Alice > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Joy Hogg <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> >To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 5:32 am >Subject: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > > > > > > > > > > >Dear folks, I'd like to thank the volunteers who have been transcribing and >entering thousands of names and dates for historical purposes. What a wonderful >generous way to spend time. >Also, I am catching bits of great advice, especially about ages. Do you think a >disregard to exact age was common all over the place? I have a British person in >Canada whose age seemed to have declined about 12 years upon remarriage >after?losing the first wife. >?Could you walk me through the instructions for accessing the new information? >Is this at the LDS site or somewhere else? >Also, I continue to need any assistance for Bayne, Hogg and Farrell.I can >picture a young James Hogg walking to Tyrone County from Scotland, and >eventually marrying a Sarah McKee in the late 1700's. From historical >conjecture, put your thinking caps on for me. Why would Scots leave Scotland at >that time? How would he have been received by the people in the area? Would a >single man have traveled alone or always with a group of relatives? Did the >Scots retain their "Scots" demeanor and speech, or assimilate? >As a Canadian in the US, I will help re: history on this side of the pond... >Joy Hogg > >------------- >Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message > > > > > > >------------- >Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

some thinking on the Scots going to Ireland was a stop on the way to North America. Some stayed more than one generation first; it was a costly journey in many ways. so many who can to the new world thinking hey are Irish, because of where the boat left- were/are Scots. other reasons - to be skilled labor in northern factories and management sent by Scottish companies. earlier it was the kind i 1600s who sent large groups to populate the northern 6 provinces not well rec'd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hogg" <john.hogg@sbcglobal.net> To: <amroche1@aol.com>; <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com>; <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell >I had a family of Kirkpatrick who came from Scotland say 1800 or so and > eventually settled in Fermanagh. Maguiresbridge area. Not a clue as to > why > though. > > Other lines in this area - McCoy in Tyrone and Jackson in Fermanagh. > > My Hogg line stayed in Scotland - Hawick where my GF was born 1876. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > amroche1@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:14 AM > To: joyhogghwh@yahoo.com; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > > > Hello all! I am also interested in why Scots would leave Scotland for > Ireland in the mid to late 1700s. My McClellands (2 brothers) left > Scotland > for Co Tyrone about 1760. When replying to Joy, please "reply to all." > Thanks! > Alice > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joy Hogg <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 5:32 am > Subject: [CoTyIre] BMD - Bayne, Hogg, Farrell > > > > > > > > > > > Dear folks, I'd like to thank the volunteers who have been transcribing > and > entering thousands of names and dates for historical purposes. What a > wonderful > generous way to spend time. > Also, I am catching bits of great advice, especially about ages. Do you > think a > disregard to exact age was common all over the place? I have a British > person in > Canada whose age seemed to have declined about 12 years upon remarriage > after?losing the first wife. > ?Could you walk me through the instructions for accessing the new > information? > Is this at the LDS site or somewhere else? > Also, I continue to need any assistance for Bayne, Hogg and Farrell.I can > picture a young James Hogg walking to Tyrone County from Scotland, and > eventually marrying a Sarah McKee in the late 1700's. From historical > conjecture, put your thinking caps on for me. Why would Scots leave > Scotland > at > that time? How would he have been received by the people in the area? > Would > a > single man have traveled alone or always with a group of relatives? Did > the > Scots retain their "Scots" demeanor and speech, or assimilate? > As a Canadian in the US, I will help re: history on this side of the > pond... > Joy Hogg > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message