Loretta, if you are back into the 1700s in Country Tyrone, you are doing amazingly well. I have mine in Tyrone back only to 1837, then only one ancestor, and, although I know his parents' names from his baptismal record, I don't know their dates or any other information. About the only way I've found to get the names of the mothers is from death information of the fathers, and then only in the USA, at least so far. Usually death certificates list parents' names, although if you get too far back all you might get is the mother's first name, not first and maiden surname. I am not saying to give up...but sometimes...you have to wait and hope that eventually something will turn up on LDS or some other searchable site. My ancestors who came to the USA left no trace of information about their ancestors in Co. Tyrone or anyplace else in Ireland, Scotland or England. Once again, I wish somebody had had a surname like "XARTXOZ" to make searching easier. Good luck with your search! Marilyn (Searching for Armstrong, McCoy, Milligan, Field, Fields in Termonmaguirk, Co. Tyrone and anyplace else they might show up) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loretta" <lynneage@house-of-lynn.com> To: "'Pat O'Neill'" <patoneill@bigpond.com>; <CoTyroneIreland-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] searching for family > Pat, I have had very similar thoughts. I think what folks like you and I > have to do is pay a professional researcher to scour every Tyrone record > there is and, failing that, every other Ulster record in the world. But > that would take no small fortune. > > All I know is that my ancestor Hugh Linn or Lynn was born SOMETIME in 1753 > SOMEWHERE in Ulster but probably Tyrone since the woman he married was > from > Tyrone. What I would love to do is get some male Linns and Lynns who live > in Tyrone today to do a Y-DNA study since my brother has already done so. > Of course, if we did find a match, we'd have to hope the person already > knows his ancestry. > > I wonder if many or any folks in Ireland in that day and age kept family > Bibles. I have a good bit of German ancestry also, and many German > settlers > in America kept family Bibles. > > Loretta > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat O'Neill > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:45 PM > To: CoTyroneIreland-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CoTyIre] searching for family > > > Searching for grandmothers and the like is a wonderful merry-go-round, > isn't > it? But it's weird ! It defies logic. > > On LDS BMD you put in your grandfather's name and date of birth and place > of birth and it gives your grandfather's birth date and place of birth and > dates . but it doesn't tell you who he married. If you sign on for the > paid searches, you have to tell them names and places and guess at the > dates, before it will tell you the names and places and confirm the dates > > If you send into Proni or Dublin then the form has to be filled in with > the > names and the places before they can tell you the names and the places. > > At least with LDS if you can search through all of it over and over and > maybe you can guess at the possible connections but that is using up my > old > age. Maybe I'll meet them first and ask them - unless someone has a beter > idea . . . Pat > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pat, I have had very similar thoughts. I think what folks like you and I have to do is pay a professional researcher to scour every Tyrone record there is and, failing that, every other Ulster record in the world. But that would take no small fortune. All I know is that my ancestor Hugh Linn or Lynn was born SOMETIME in 1753 SOMEWHERE in Ulster but probably Tyrone since the woman he married was from Tyrone. What I would love to do is get some male Linns and Lynns who live in Tyrone today to do a Y-DNA study since my brother has already done so. Of course, if we did find a match, we'd have to hope the person already knows his ancestry. I wonder if many or any folks in Ireland in that day and age kept family Bibles. I have a good bit of German ancestry also, and many German settlers in America kept family Bibles. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 11:45 PM To: CoTyroneIreland-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] searching for family Searching for grandmothers and the like is a wonderful merry-go-round, isn't it? But it's weird ! It defies logic. On LDS BMD you put in your grandfather's name and date of birth and place of birth and it gives your grandfather's birth date and place of birth and dates . but it doesn't tell you who he married. If you sign on for the paid searches, you have to tell them names and places and guess at the dates, before it will tell you the names and places and confirm the dates If you send into Proni or Dublin then the form has to be filled in with the names and the places before they can tell you the names and the places. At least with LDS if you can search through all of it over and over and maybe you can guess at the possible connections but that is using up my old age. Maybe I'll meet them first and ask them - unless someone has a beter idea . . . Pat

Hi i have a Great Great grandfather William WHITLEY  a farmer widowed,in 1857 TYRONE IRELAND  as all i know is 1857     (i think he remarried twice or even 3times) as I already know 1830 he was married to a Mary McCauly in 1830 they had a daughter ANN WHITLEY Mary McCauly  must have passed away as 1832 he was Married  to a Mary ALEXANDER, they had a son James WHITLEY born1832 at            TEMPLEMACOM FERMANAGH TYRONE IRELAND,   & by 1857 when Mary ALEXANDER's  son James WHITLEY came to Australia she had passed away   I also think there may have been other children & maybe a marraige ???William WHITLEY had, or if you could find his death Please. any help greatfully recieved               from Elaine If the ancestors you are looking for are after civil registrations Give the names and I will have a look on Emerald Ancestors for you               The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier.

Hello, Re the inquiry about military records, about 5 years ago I sent for my great Uncle's military records. He was in the Spanish American War and rec'd a pension. I received copies (About 100 pages) of what was in the file. I just looked at them again. They do not show his parents' names. Yet, they do have a copy of his death certificate. Parents' names were listed as unknown probably because he died alone and away from home. There were several letters from family members looking for him over the years. A lot of medical information was included. Place of birth is listed as Tyrone, Ireland and as Invah, Tyrone, Ireland. There was a lot of interesting information included. I could follow the many places where my uncle lived over the years. Also, with this documented information I was able to use these records to document other family members. My records were scarce for one of his brothers but the fact the brother wrote a letter to the government trying to locate him confirmed I had the right person. There was a copy of a letter from my grandmother looking for him also. All in all, the copies of the record I received is very interesting and helpful. They were worth the money. Hope anyone else that requests records will find them helpful too. Dolly Clark

http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/html/index2.htm A direct link. Raymond

Like an old retired boxer who gets excited when he hears a bell ringing, i couldent help coming out of retirment for a few minutes when i came accross this piece of information, this is the names of persons in workhouses and vagrants who were sent back to the place they came from in Ireland, there are names from Banbridge, Kilkeel, Newry Belfast, in fact towns and places over all ireland, this might help people researching those hard to find ancestors, The names are on the second page of the website for those who like to browse through them. Raymond. http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

I am much obliged to Loretta, Sarah, Helen and Jack for responses to my query regarding the bibliographical sources. I suppose that no one has either the Gebbie or Hunter book handy for lookups?? BTW, Jack, the references were found in the Strabane book, as per our previous correspondence. I remain in suspense as to what happens on pages 76ff to the Hamilton estates. Could you fill me in? Also Helen, did any of your Rutherfords end up at Georgeville on Lake Memphramagog in Quebec or Beeton, Ontario? Cheers, Roy

I beg your pardon, that one got away from be before I wanted to send. Here is the main source for the Hill book: <http://books.google.com/books?id=C_Y0kIeJMJcC&pg=PP12&lpg=PP12&dq=hill+%22plantation+of+ulster%22&source=bl&ots=zo0AHjdCyM&sig=dIWRESMEmXd_oDAIQyiKSzwZjAM&hl=en&ei=ldTQSe-UC6XlnQe88eToCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPP5,M1> Cheers, Roy

DVR alert for those interested in that recent article about Duffy's Cut. The documentary film "The Ghosts of Duffy's Cut" is currently on reruns on the Smithsonian Channel in the US for the next few weeks. http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/site/smithsonian/show_duffycut.do Deborah **************** DEBORAH LARGE FOX www.deborahlarge.com member, Genealogical Speakers Guild http://www.genealogicalspeakersguild.org/member_details.php?member=FoxD

Roy, I don't have Hunter's book, but I do have Rev. George Hill's "An Historical Account of the Plantation of Ulster ... 1608-1620," from which I gleaned the following items, the first of which is most relevant to the period of time you mentioned. The book does include a great deal of information about what happened to the various land grants later in the century. pp. 533-34 - Footnote (232). [relating to Ballymagoiegh, in the barony of Strabane] "Sir John Drommond.-See p. 291. It was found by inquisition at Newtowne, held on the 9th of January, 1625, that Sir John Drummond had let his lands on the 1st of June, 1622, to the following tenants, several of whom were meere Irish, viz., Hugh O'Quin, Neal O'Sloddan, Gillduff O'Donnelly, Shane O'Sloddan, Owen O'Sloddan, Owen McKauny, John Grime, John McGowan, William Reade, William Sharpe, Patrick Smythe, John Crosby, William Crosby, William Munteeth, Rory O'Neale, Conogher O'Quin, John Wood, Thomas Gryme, Patrick Drum, Shane duffe O'Kernan, Thomas Beane, John McAulay, and Neal McGunshenan. It thus appeared that Sir John Drummond carried out his promises, at least to some extent, soon after Pynnar made his report. Sir John, who was styled of the Rosses, in the parish of Capprey, barony of Strabane, died on the 14th of May, 1625; and having left no children, his brother, Malcolm Drummond, succeeded to the property. The latter was 35 years of age at the date of his brother's death, and married. (Inquisitions of Ulster, Tyrone, (2) and (3) Car. I.). On the 29th of May, 1629 letters patent of denization were issued to Malcolm Dromand, and also a grant to him, his heirs and assigns, forever, of the small proportion of Ballymagoiegh, in the barony of Strabane. The premises to be held in free and common socage. To be created into a manor, to be called the manor of Castle Dromand, with all manorial rights; subject to the condition of plantation, and to the King's demands for renewing of grants to undertakers." The following are either earlier or later than the period you're looking for but may offer some insight ... p. 207 - Footnote (44) [relating to a statement drawn up March 19, 1609-10]: "Captains of companies who have no settled house or place of garrison, and yet are willing to undertake in or near the place where they are garrisoned: ... Sir Thomas Roper, Captain Newce, and Captain William Stewart, about Strabane." NOTE: If these men did in fact undertake in Strabane, they may well have been there during the time you're looking for. p. 528 - Footnote (223) [circa 1611] "Men.- these numbers of freeholders, leaseholds, and settlers generally imply the presence of a prosperous Scottish colony in and around the town of Strabane. There is no list of these settlers recorded in the printed inquisitions relating to the county of Tyrone." NOTE: Earlier again, but points out the lack of early information about Scottish settlers in Strabane (too bad for me). p. 529 - Footnote (223) [cont'd] ... An inquisition, taken at Strabane, on the 16th of August, 1693, enumerates all the parcels of land on the Baronscourt estate [barony of Strabane], lately in possession of Claud Hamilton Earl of Abercorn, and mentions the following tenants as having holdings in the town of Strabane, viz., Anne Newburgh, William Henderson, James and Patrick Hamilton, Oliver McCasland, Samuel Lawes, Robert Robinson, John Anderson, Andrew Parke, Walter McFarland, John Love, James McGee, and Thomas Holmes. Inquisitions of Ulster, Tyrone, (1) Gul. and Mary. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy Keys Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 09:28 PM To: CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com; NIR-TYRONE@rootsweb.com Cc: donegaleire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] Strabane barony in the 1620s-1640s period Does anyone have access to the book RJ Hunter (ed): The Strabane Barony during the Ulster Plantation (Derry, 1982). If so would you be so kind as to do lookups? Thank you Roy

>From "Strabane through the ages" I learn that there are muster rolls for the Hamilton and Stewart estates in Tyrone in the 1600s. The source is given as "Gebbie, Ardstraw (Newtownstewart), pp. 21-30. Unfortunately I do not have the full bibliography. Does anyone have access to this reference, or can anyone identify the full reference. Thank you for your attention. Roy

Does anyone have access to the book RJ Hunter (ed): The Strabane Barony during the Ulster Plantation (Derry, 1982). If so would you be so kind as to do lookups? Thank you Roy

E Macklin writes: "Thowing off comments like "being shot" is irresponsible at best, especially when their fellow Irish did the deed themselves. I would simply leave the remains were they are . . . " Especially? This is inflammatory and out of place in this forum (CoTyroneIreland). On what basis does the identity of a murderer alter the effect on the victim? If the writer feels he knows who "did the deed," perhaps he could share the evidence with those conducting the investigation. There is an undercurrent of hatred ("from the slums of Donegal," "didn't have the money . . . ") in this post that I find revolting. Isn't it a bit early in the investigation (two of potentially 57 bodies exhumed) to write so dismissively? Allow the truth to unfold. If one of the dead young men was a son of E Macklin, would it be alright to "leave the remains where they are" -- a matter of inches below the surface along an active railway three thousand miles from home? Most of us are searching for ancestors. This Duffy's Cut case is evidence that happens to be wrapped in tragedy. Let's keep the focus where it belongs. A website of possible interest is www.duffyscutproject.com. James P. Murphy Princeton, N.J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Macklin" <emacklin@rogers.com> To: <CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com>; <NIR-TYRONE@rootsweb.com> Cc: <donegaleire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:35 AM Subject: [CoTyIre] Irish Graves Found in Pennsylvania > Interesting article. The Irish immigrants that were hired by Mr. Phillip > Duffy > were indeed brought in by him from the slums Donegal, Tyrone and Derry. > It's unfortunate that they died of cholera which was picked up from the > immigrant ships they sailed on, just as fifty thousand others did of all > faiths. > Watson's comments that some were shot, is a bating comment to feed his > own prejudices. Those immigrants were in the care and custody of Duffy's > road crew, fellow RC Irish. If anyone did the shooting, then it would have > been by Duffy's crew themselves, and no one else. It is well known that > of this group only some had cholera and they were quarantined. Duffy > didn't > have the money to provide the proper care, so they were literally disposed > of, > quitely and quickly. It was as simple as that. > As for the "mass graves" comments by the "Watson brothers", that was the > thing to do all across Europe and for immigrnats from Europe in America > who > had the "plaque". Any attempt to read into these events is a waste of time > in the > 21st century. Even in Canada there are many "mass graves" on the islands > in > the > Gulf of St. Lawrence for those coming off the "plague ships". Thowing off > comments > like "being shot" is irresponsible at best, especially when their fellow > Irish did the > deed themselves. I would simply leave the remains were they are, rather > than > creating a parade all the way back to 'Northern Ireland" for the benefit > of > the > IRA and the Seinn Fein, who are equally akin to shooting people in the > back. > > Eric from Derry > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:28 AM > Subject: [CoTyIre] Irish Graves Found in Pennsylvania > > > Interesting article about a mass grave of 57 Irishmen from Tyrone, > Derry, and Donegal who died in August 1832 of cholera -- and some, > possibly by gunshot -- soon after arriving in the US (outside > Philadelphia). These men were railroad workers who died at the > infamous Duffy's Cut. Researchers hope to identify the remains via > DNA and maybe repatriate the bones. > http://apnews.excite.com/article/20090325/D974R1E00.html > > Claire K > seekay@comcast.net > > > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would agree with you Eric about the futility of reading motives into these events or giving a great deal of credence to the rumors. Even Mozart's body was unceremoniously dropped into a mass grave and doused with lye. The fear of infection during times of plague was a dreadful thing, and people coped as best they could. Loretta Layman -----Original Message----- From: donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donegaleire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E Macklin Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:35 AM To: CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com; NIR-TYRONE@rootsweb.com Cc: donegaleire@rootsweb.com Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Irish Graves Found in Pennsylvania Interesting article. The Irish immigrants that were hired by Mr. Phillip Duffy were indeed brought in by him from the slums Donegal, Tyrone and Derry. It's unfortunate that they died of cholera which was picked up from the immigrant ships they sailed on, just as fifty thousand others did of all faiths. Watson's comments that some were shot, is a bating comment to feed his own prejudices. Those immigrants were in the care and custody of Duffy's road crew, fellow RC Irish. If anyone did the shooting, then it would have been by Duffy's crew themselves, and no one else. It is well known that of this group only some had cholera and they were quarantined. Duffy didn't have the money to provide the proper care, so they were literally disposed of, quitely and quickly. It was as simple as that. As for the "mass graves" comments by the "Watson brothers", that was the thing to do all across Europe and for immigrnats from Europe in America who had the "plaque". Any attempt to read into these events is a waste of time in the 21st century. Even in Canada there are many "mass graves" on the islands in the Gulf of St. Lawrence for those coming off the "plague ships". Thowing off comments like "being shot" is irresponsible at best, especially when their fellow Irish did the deed themselves. I would simply leave the remains were they are, rather than creating a parade all the way back to 'Northern Ireland" for the benefit of the IRA and the Seinn Fein, who are equally akin to shooting people in the back. Eric from Derry

I am interested in purchasing a number of birth certificates from GRONI and note that the cost is 6 pounds each as opposed to 12 pounds each if you provide the Register Entry Number and the Date Of Registration . I found some of the indexes I needed at http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=collectionDetails;t=searchable but it's a matter of terminology. On the index there is shown: Name Registration District Record Type Registration Date - Quarter and Year Film Number Volume Page Digital GS Number Page What do I need to send to GRONI to obtain the 6 pound certificates? Thanks for any help .... Carmen in Canada

Hi Margaret Many thanks for this information look forward to watching the show. regards Norah in OZ -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Barnes Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2009 5:40 PM To: Co Tyrone Mailing List Subject: [CoTyIre] Tour of N. Ireland For anyone in Aus, my email from Tourism Ireland today says: " Get a taste of Ireland on Aussie TV. Garden Gurus Explore has two episodes focusing on Northern Ireland. Tune in at 5pm on 28 March and 4 April for this two-part special." When I looked up the web site, the show is on Channel 9 and Co. Tyrone is featured. Margaret in Oz. ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Maisie. What information do you have for Patrick Skiffington for dates? Linda -----Original Message----- From: Maisie Egger <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> To: LANARK@rootsweb.com; CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 2:45 am Subject: [Lanark] Patrick Skiffington's Military Records Hello, Lanark and Co. Tyrone listers, This is not Lanark business, but I hope someone can help me with my continuing quest to document where my husband's great-grandfather actually came from in Ireland...we think perhaps Donaghmore, Co. Tyrone...and who his parents and any possible siblings might be. I wrote to the Military Service Records in Washington D.C., for a copy of Patrick Skiffington's military record, but before I part with more money, I wonder if anyone knows if a soldier's actual place of birth, names of parents (and maybe siblings) would be listed. The widow's pension records state only that he was from Ireland, with only her and those of her minor children's names listed. This is the fee structure. If I thought there was specific information about where he actually came from in Ireland and who his parents were, it would be more than worth it for me to pay the $25. ------------------------------------------------- Reproduction Fees (Effective October 1, 2007) $25 each for: Passenger arrival lists Federal census request Eastern Cherokee applications to the Court of Claims (that is a low blow to those people, surely!) Land entry records Pension documents packet (selected records) Bounty land warrant application files Military service files more than 75 years old. $75 for: Full pension file more than 75 years old (Civil War and after), up to and including 100 pages. $50 Full pension file (pre Civil War) Mail Order Policy: There is a minimum fee of $15.00 per order for reproductions that are sent by mail to the customer. PLEASE NOTE: The most efficient and fastest way to order records is online. To order records online, please go to our website: www.archives.gov, and select "Order Online". If you must order blank forms, the maximum number per request is TWO of each type of form as of October 1, 2007. ------------------------- As I have commented, IF I thought that Patrick Skiffington's parents and his actual place of birth in Ireland were listed, I'd pay the $25 in a flash, but what if the military records have the same old, same old dearth of this important information? If anyone has ever ordered U.S. Military records (Civil War era), I'd be interested to know if there is more than Name, Rank and Number! Maisie ------------------------------- LANARK, SCOTLAND MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to Lanark, Scotland at any point in history. Contact the List Admin at lanark-admin@rootsweb.com, or to search the list archives or find other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=lanark ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANARK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Trudy, The widow's pensions application papers were detailed to a point, giving a physical description of my husband's great-grandfather Patrick Skiffington (my husband definitely does not look anything like him!), where and how he sustained his injuries, his home address in Baltimore and names of minor children. Oddly, whoever wrote different phases of the application had Patrick Skiffington injured at either Williamsport or Antietam. Both battlegrounds are not too far from Baltimore, I gather, though at some point his regiment did hit and run at Harper's Ferry. Everything but the kitchen sink...except where he was actually born in Ireland and who his parents might have been. Don't feel too bad if it takes you a few months to get copies of the Civil War records because it took Bridget Kelly Skiffington three years to be awarded a widow's pension. Plus, if anyone wants proof of inflation, we paid $3 for copies of the Civil War pensions application in 1980, and as you note, it now costs $75! Let's hope that we both find the pot o' gold at the end of the NARA rainbow! Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: Trudy BARBISAN To: campsiehills@sbcglobal.net ; lanark@rootsweb.com ; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Sent: 2009-03-26 01:28 Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Patrick Skiffington's Military Records I have just recently requested the $75 packet from the Civil War forward for my gggrandfather. I am REALLY hoping that it is actually him!! When I ordered the papers from NARA in Washington DC I was told that it could take three months or more to get the results, so it would appear that I have quite a wait. Wish I could answer your question..... Trudy Kyle Barbisan Portland, Oregon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Subject: [CoTyIre] Patrick Skiffington's Military Records > >> > I wrote to the Military Service Records in Washington D.C., for a copy of Patrick Skiffington's military record, but before I part with more money, I wonder if anyone knows if a soldier's actual place of birth, names of parents (and maybe siblings) would be listed. The widow's pension records state only that he was from Ireland, with only her and those of her minor children's names listed. > > This is the fee structure. If I thought there was specific information about where he actually came from in Ireland and who his parents were, it would be more than worth it for me to pay the $25. > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Reproduction Fees (Effective October 1, 2007) > > > > $75 for: > > Full pension file more than 75 years old (Civil War and after), up to and including 100 pages. > >> > > If anyone has ever ordered U.S. Military records (Civil War era), I'd be interested to know if there is more than Name, Rank and Number! > > Maisie > > > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maisie, I obtained my 2nd Great Grandfather, Robert Welch's USA Civil War pension file. Unfortunately, it only contained that fact that he was born in Ireland. It did, however, contain a wealth of information including his wedding date & place, the birth dates of all his children, plus every address and dates he lived there after the war. It was a wealth of information. These records vary a lot in content, so there may, or may not, be a birth location listed within Ireland. It all depends on how the person filling out the record interpreted the instructions of what to put into the record. One really can't take the chance not to look. Besides, you may find other information that may be important. Remember to check the 1930 USA census for him and all his children. His birth place should be listed as either Irish Free State, or Northern Ireland in both his record, and the census record of each of his children. Rob Robert E. Welch Scottsdale, AZ, USA celticop@cox.net Cavan: Welsh Fermanagh: Chapman, Welsh Monaghan: Chapman, McGinnis, Welsh Tyrone: McGinnis, Robb, & Welsh -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:45 PM To: LANARK@rootsweb.com; CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] Patrick Skiffington's Military Records Hello, Lanark and Co. Tyrone listers, This is not Lanark business, but I hope someone can help me with my continuing quest to document where my husband's great-grandfather actually came from in Ireland...we think perhaps Donaghmore, Co. Tyrone...and who his parents and any possible siblings might be. I wrote to the Military Service Records in Washington D.C., for a copy of Patrick Skiffington's military record, but before I part with more money, I wonder if anyone knows if a soldier's actual place of birth, names of parents (and maybe siblings) would be listed. The widow's pension records state only that he was from Ireland, with only her and those of her minor children's names listed. This is the fee structure. If I thought there was specific information about where he actually came from in Ireland and who his parents were, it would be more than worth it for me to pay the $25. ------------------------------------------------- Reproduction Fees (Effective October 1, 2007) $25 each for: Passenger arrival lists Federal census request Eastern Cherokee applications to the Court of Claims (that is a low blow to those people, surely!) Land entry records Pension documents packet (selected records) Bounty land warrant application files Military service files more than 75 years old. $75 for: Full pension file more than 75 years old (Civil War and after), up to and including 100 pages. $50 Full pension file (pre Civil War) Mail Order Policy: There is a minimum fee of $15.00 per order for reproductions that are sent by mail to the customer. PLEASE NOTE: The most efficient and fastest way to order records is online. To order records online, please go to our website: www.archives.gov, and select "Order Online". If you must order blank forms, the maximum number per request is TWO of each type of form as of October 1, 2007. ------------------------- As I have commented, IF I thought that Patrick Skiffington's parents and his actual place of birth in Ireland were listed, I'd pay the $25 in a flash, but what if the military records have the same old, same old dearth of this important information? If anyone has ever ordered U.S. Military records (Civil War era), I'd be interested to know if there is more than Name, Rank and Number! Maisie ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just an example of what you might find in a pension file--I was at the National Archives recently looking at pension records for a friend and found a record for the widow of Lawrence McGinnis (this was a Mexican War pension.) In the pension application the widow gave the county of birth in Ireland for her husband. But an amazing record in the file was a handwritten letter from a priest in Ireland (including envelope) naming the townland, church and date of the widow's birth in Ireland. The record did not name her parents. I have seen a pension record where the soldier sent to Ireland for a transcription of his 1841 Census data--and the file included an 1841 Census form from Ireland giving his family's information from the 1841 census. So you never know what might be in the file! It is very important to have all the pages in the file copied--or to actually view the file yourself. The Archives used to offer to copy a few documents from the file for a reduced fee--you could really miss some important information if you used this option. The LDS is digitizing pension records in partnership with footnote.com--a small fraction of pension records are currently available on footnote.com and I believed indexed on http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start Footnote.com also has Naval pensions online. Laurel Baty -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trudy BARBISAN Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:28 AM To: campsiehills@sbcglobal.net; lanark@rootsweb.com; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Patrick Skiffington's Military Records I have just recently requested the $75 packet from the Civil War forward for my gggrandfather. I am REALLY hoping that it is actually him!! When I ordered the papers from NARA in Washington DC I was told that it could take three months or more to get the results, so it would appear that I have quite a wait. Wish I could answer your question..... Trudy Kyle Barbisan Portland, Oregon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > From: campsiehills@sbcglobal.net > To: LANARK@rootsweb.com; CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:45:23 -0700 > Subject: [CoTyIre] Patrick Skiffington's Military Records > >> > I wrote to the Military Service Records in Washington D.C., for a copy of Patrick Skiffington's military record, but before I part with more money, I wonder if anyone knows if a soldier's actual place of birth, names of parents (and maybe siblings) would be listed. The widow's pension records state only that he was from Ireland, with only her and those of her minor children's names listed. > > This is the fee structure. If I thought there was specific information about where he actually came from in Ireland and who his parents were, it would be more than worth it for me to pay the $25. > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Reproduction Fees (Effective October 1, 2007) > > > > $75 for: > > Full pension file more than 75 years old (Civil War and after), up to and including 100 pages. > >> > > If anyone has ever ordered U.S. Military records (Civil War era), I'd be interested to know if there is more than Name, Rank and Number! > > Maisie > > > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message