I am fairly new to researching in Ireland, and at a loss as to how to find marriage, birth or death information. Is there any site such as the one England has for BDM's? With no census records available, how does one find any information about ancestors in Ireland? Help please!! thanks Dawn

I answered this yesterday but does not seem to have appeared on here Mine usually take about 21 days at the longest and have always had great service Patricia New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Claire K Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 9:23 AM To: Norah Glaus Cc: cotyroneireland Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Proni issued death certificates

Claire, Thank you for your response. I am aware that this list is for Irish research which is where I have been spending my time for my grandfather with nothing but deadends. However, frequently such efforts spill over to the US as in my case. As we have stated, the certificate contains little information which is why I am seeking the application hoping to find immigration and any other items of use in the Irish research. My problem is not that I can't find his naturalization information but that I can't find where these records are archived in order to look for his. His witness is his brother for which I have the same lack of information and I feel that the application would have been filed with the same 18th/6th district court. Incidentally, this judicial consolidation probably contributes to their inability to identify the record storage. Again, I thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire K" <seekay@comcast.net> To: "stephen graham" <stephen.graham@comcast.net> Cc: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com, graham@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:48:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Graham Naturalization Stephen, This is really a question better aimed at a US list, or specifically an Iowa list. The CTI list is full of people (in US, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and lots of other countries) who are all doing research in Ireland; we can usually help with Irish questions, but US naturalizations are a little beyond the scope of this list! Having said which, I can tell you that the actual naturalization documents (until the 1920s or so) don't have much useful info, it's the DoI that usually is more helpful. (Though paying attention to the witnesses to both can help your research, as the witnesses may be family members). The DoI is usually filed with the Nat Cert., but if it's not, you should see what other courts were conducting naturalizations at this time and place. If he moved during the likely times that he'd have filed his DoI, try courts in those other areas, too. NARA wouldn't have records before 1906, as that's when the feds took over the bulk of the naturalizations. Before that, it was any state, county, or local court of record. Hope that helps. You really should ask an Iowa list... Claire K. CTI List Admin On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:24 PM, stephen.graham@comcast.net wrote: I have the original Certificate of Naturalization for my grandfather Henry Graham which was issued October 7, 1905, by the 18th Judicial District of Iowa at a term of the District Court in Marion, Iowa, for Linn County. It bears the DISTRICT COURT SEAL OF LINN CO. IOWA. I believe that the 18th district has over time been folded into the 6th district. My problem is that the certificate contains little information about him other then his name, the naturalization date, and that he was from Ireland (known to be County Tyrone). I am attempting to find his declaration of intent/application and any other documentation that would have been required at that time. I have contacted the 6th district court in Linn County to no avail and NARA has no records prior to 1906. I would be indebted if anyone has any suggestions as to other approaches that I might try, ideally if anyone has had the same issue for Iowa research.

It could be that the RW servers are backlogged again. Periodically, mail gets stuck in the mail queue, even while later-sent mail gets through. It's something with RW's servers, not anything I can do anything about, unfortunately. Claire K. CTI List Admin On Apr 10, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Patricia Moosman wrote: > I answered this yesterday but does not seem to have appeared on here > Mine usually take about 21 days at the longest and have always had > great > service > Patricia > New Zealand

HI- I have not posted for while. Looking for more info on: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James Scott (son of ? Scott and ? Graham)born 31 Oct 1802 in Tyrone Co, Ireland, and died in Iowa, 10 Jan 1873 in 70 years, 2 months, 10 days. He married Rebecca Peterson on 16 Jan 1835 in Carroll Co, OH, USA, daughter of James Peterson and Jane Daniel. James and Rebecca's children Mary J Scott, b. 1836, PA, d. Abt. 1858. Miriam Scott, b. 1840, PA, d. date unknown. Henry W Scott, b. 31 May 1841, PA, d. 18 Jun 1870, Lime City Cemetary 29 yr 18 da. William W Scott, b. 1842, PA, d. date unknown. Rebecca E Scott, b. 1844, IA, d. date unknown. +Robert Graham Scott, b. 07 Apr 1845, Scott Co, Iowa, d. 1935, Camden, MO. +James P Scott, b. Nov 1847, Iowa945, d. date unknown. +Charles L Scott, b. 1850, IA946, d. date unknown. +John G Scott, b. Jan 1852, Iowa947, d. date unknown. +Amanda Bell Scott, b. 20 Jul 1856, Pleasant Hill, Cedar, IA, , d. 07 Dec 1926, Anaheim, Orange, CA, or his James' brother Robert Scott, b. 1805, Ireland, d. 1869. Dan Hausman pgw@ecr.net

Hello is anyone able to help me ascertain if Joseph Cook from Co. Tyrone was indeed in Philadelphia and when he arrived. I am trying to find his townland of origin in Co. Tyrone. any help greatly appreciated, Lyn

Hi Lyn, Do you have any more info on Joseph Cook? I fear it will be a very common name in Philadelphia (I have some Cooks who married in to collateral lines, so I pay a little attention to Cooks when I come across them, enough to get a sense that there are a far number of them). Is the "c.1848" in your subject line Joseph's YOB? or the time period you think he was in Phila.? Are you looking for him in the 1850 Phila. census? Can you tell us anything about spouse, children, siblings, parents -- anyone he might be associated with in Phila., so we can ID him from all the possible matches? Claire K seekay@comcast.net On Apr 10, 2009, at 3:58 AM, Lyn McLeavy wrote: > Hello > > is anyone able to help me ascertain if Joseph Cook from Co. Tyrone was > indeed in Philadelphia and when he arrived. I am trying to find his > townland of origin in Co. Tyrone. > > any help greatly appreciated, > > Lyn >

Hi Norah, I think you ordered the certs. from GRONI? (PRONI has church records, but not vital records). Sorry, I can't tell you how long it takes -- I've only ever ordered certs from GRONI in person. Maybe someone else on the list can tell us about the current turnaround time for mail orders? I would hope that, if they've deducted the fee, it means they're working on your request, though. Does anyone know that for sure? Claire K seekay@comcast.net On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:51 PM, Norah Glaus wrote: > Hi Claire > > Thanks again, I will order the death certificate for Lily Mc Dougall. > > I recently ordered a marriage certificate and 2 death certificates > from > Proni, they've deducted payment from my account for all three, but > I've only > received the marriage certificate earlier this last week, do you > know how > long delays can be in regard to supply of certificates? > > regards > Morah >

Check it out, some placenames included too! Minterburn & Caledon http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/places/MinterburnVillage.html Cheers Tammy

Hi Claire Thanks again, I will order the death certificate for Lily Mc Dougall. I recently ordered a marriage certificate and 2 death certificates from Proni, they've deducted payment from my account for all three, but I've only received the marriage certificate earlier this last week, do you know how long delays can be in regard to supply of certificates? regards Morah

The full details are in the Acknowledgements ,Notes and sources in 'Strabane through the Ages ' book p406. J H Gebbie: Ardstraw (Newtonstewart); Historical Survey of a parish, 1600-1900 . Omagh 1968 I don't have a copy of the Gebbie book but do have Jim Bradley's . Rachel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Keys" <apeiron@vif.com> To: <CoTyroneIreland@rootsweb.com>; <NIR-TYRONE@rootsweb.com> Cc: <donegaleire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 2:29 AM Subject: [DONEGALEIRE] Hamilton and Stewart estates 1600s > >From "Strabane through the ages" I learn that there are muster rolls for > >the > Hamilton and Stewart estates in Tyrone in the 1600s. The source is given > as > "Gebbie, Ardstraw (Newtownstewart), pp. 21-30. Unfortunately I do not have > the full bibliography. Does anyone have access to this reference, or can > anyone identify the full reference. > > Thank you for your attention. > > Roy > > When replying to a digest post, quote only the specific text to which you > are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, > remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY SUBJECT, GO TO THE THREADED ARCHIVES AT > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/DONEGALEIRE/ > > > TO VIEW PREVIOUS EMAILS BY DATES AND SUBJECT GO TO THE SEARCHABLE ARCHIVES > AT http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=DONEGALEIRE > > SOME HELPFUL WEBSITES: > Donegal Genealogy Resource (Lindel's Site) > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ > Donegaleire Genealogy Links & Data > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegaleire/ > Bob's Donegal Ireland Genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hiflyte/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONEGALEIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Claire and Jo Thanks so much for the information and advice, greatly appreciated. regards Norah

Stephen, This is really a question better aimed at a US list, or specifically an Iowa list. The CTI list is full of people (in US, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and lots of other countries) who are all doing research in Ireland; we can usually help with Irish questions, but US naturalizations are a little beyond the scope of this list! Having said which, I can tell you that the actual naturalization documents (until the 1920s or so) don't have much useful info, it's the DoI that usually is more helpful. (Though paying attention to the witnesses to both can help your research, as the witnesses may be family members). The DoI is usually filed with the Nat Cert., but if it's not, you should see what other courts were conducting naturalizations at this time and place. If he moved during the likely times that he'd have filed his DoI, try courts in those other areas, too. NARA wouldn't have records before 1906, as that's when the feds took over the bulk of the naturalizations. Before that, it was any state, county, or local court of record. Hope that helps. You really should ask an Iowa list... Claire K. CTI List Admin On Apr 7, 2009, at 6:24 PM, stephen.graham@comcast.net wrote: > ...Certificate of Naturalization ...Henry Graham ... issued October > 7, 1905, by the ...District Court in Marion, Iowa, for Linn > County. ...I am attempting to find his declaration of intent/ > application and any other documentation that would have been > required at that time....I have contacted the ...district court in > Linn County to no avail and NARA has no records prior to 1906.

Hi Norah, I strongly suggest you get the death record. Have you considered the possibility that 30 yo Lily McDougall might be a McD by marriage? That would explain why you can't find a birth that matches for a Lily McD. The death cert. will tell you whether she was single or married, so is your best first step, IMO. (Or, maybe you can find a death notice for her that will tell you whether she's a "wife of" or "daughter of"). Then you'll know whether you need to be searching for her marriage (to find her maiden name) or her birth record next. Hope that helps. Claire K. On Apr 7, 2009, at 8:14 PM, Norah Glaus wrote: > ...Lily Mc Dougall who died > on the 8th November 1900. LDS Pilot gives her approx. age at death > as 30 > years ...but I've been unable to find > her birth following various searches. I would also like to find > out the > names of her parents, would be grateful for any suggestions. > > regards > Norah >

Hi Norah Don't know if this of any interest but in a book I have: Birth: McDougal - 2nd April 1868 to Robert McDougal, John Street, Omagh - a daughter. About the right time frame for your Lily? This taken from the Hatches, Matches and Dispatches book compiled from local newspapers. Sorry I have no more info..... Jo > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:14:05 +0800 > From: "Norah Glaus" <norahglaus@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Lily Mc Dougall > To: "cotyroneireland" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DNELILAHJPLBNFJAAIKAAEBGCEAA.norahglaus@optusnet.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm trying to piece together the Mc Dougall family from Omagh and Strabane > in the late 1800 early 1900 era. Amongst them in a Lily Mc Dougall who > died > on the 8th November 1900. LDS Pilot gives her approx. age at death as 30 > years so she must have been born around 1870, but I've been unable to find > her birth following various searches. I would also like to find out the > names of her parents, would be grateful for any suggestions. > > regards > Norah > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 96 > ********************************************** >

I'm trying to piece together the Mc Dougall family from Omagh and Strabane in the late 1800 early 1900 era. Amongst them in a Lily Mc Dougall who died on the 8th November 1900. LDS Pilot gives her approx. age at death as 30 years so she must have been born around 1870, but I've been unable to find her birth following various searches. I would also like to find out the names of her parents, would be grateful for any suggestions. regards Norah

I suggest getting the death certificate - a family member may have been the one informing the Registrar of the death & would be noted. The cert will also give the address or townland for the decedent & the informant. 1901 Census Index Co. Tyrone (Largy Books, 1995). Even without the death certificate placename, you can check Linda Meehan's alphabetical index which will give you some of the key details from the census as well as the LDS microfilm number & a reference to the individual enumeration form. Perhaps you'll find her parents & siblings. Good luck. -Clare L. -----Original Message----- From: Norah Glaus <norahglaus@optusnet.com.au> To: cotyroneireland <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:14:05 +0800 Subject: [CoTyIre] Lily Mc Dougall I'm trying to piece together the Mc Dougall family from Omagh and Strabane in the late 1800 early 1900 era. Amongst them in a Lily Mc Dougall who died on the 8th November 1900. LDS Pilot gives her approx. age at death as 30 years so she must have been born around 1870, but I've been unable to find her birth following various searches. I would also like to find out the names of her parents, would be grateful for any suggestions. regards Norah ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have the original Certificate of Naturalization for my grandfather Henry Graham which was issued October 7, 1905, by the 18th Judicial District of Iowa at a term of the District Court in Marion, Iowa, for Linn County. It bears the DISTRICT COURT SEAL OF LINN CO. IOWA. I believe that the 18th district has over time been folded into the 6th district. My problem is that the certificate contains little information about him other then his name, the naturalization date, and that he was from Ireland (known to be County Tyrone). I am attempting to find his declaration of intent/application and any other documentation that would have been required at that time. I have contacted the 6th district court in Linn County to no avail and NARA has no records prior to 1906. I would be indebted if anyone has any suggestions as to other approaches that I might try, ideally if anyone has had the same issue for Iowa research.

Totton,looking for information on my grandmother Mary Ann Totton formally of Drumrainey Cottages Castlecaulfield who lived with her son James (my father) I believe she was buried in the church of Ireland graveyard in Caufield.but her grave cannot be found,she died approx. 1939-1942. I myself lived in Caufield from 1945-1955 and would love to hear from anyone who remembers me.My name is Tunis Totton.

My great great grandparents patrick Kelly and Margaret Quin were married 1st April 1861 at Donaghmore Co. Tyrone. I had hoped to order their marriage certificate from GRONI but tis is a catholic marriage and seems not to be available. I would be grateful if anyone who is happy to encourage my laziness could offer some help as to how I can best go about getting this information. Regards, Gerry Scanlon, Glasgow