Hello Bryan. If you go to the marvellous seanruad site: http://www.seanruad.com/ and in the townland line write in Legacurry. (In case of slight spelling mismatches, I also changed the search option beside that to ("at Beginning of field"). Then go to the county line and click on Tyrone. Then hit "Submit". The result should be what I got here, being THREE different entries for the same townland name. As I am not familiar with the locations of each of these, I cannot understand if they all adjoin at one common boundary, or if they are three completely separate townlands. Perhaps someone else on the list might be able to clarify that for us. And I am unsure if the Clogherny parish one is indeed the one which you need, or if one of the others might be relevant instead or as well. Anyway, getting back to your question about how to describe it: I am hoping that the seanruad result might help you with that too. To my way of thinking, as you are proposing describing it from the larger entity to the smaller, then it would probably go: Province: Ulster; County: Tyrone; Barony: Omagh East; Parish: Clogherny. The Poor Law Union of Omagh, is an additional item of information which I do not feel fits neatly into that conglomeration. HTH: Ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan" <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> ... And am I correct in describing it thus: Barony Omagh, Civil Parish Clogherny, Townland Legacurry. My family history at http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~bryannp/parrott/index.htm

Rebecca Wilson born 1796, married William Elliott C.1816. William and Rebecca lived in Irvinestown Fermanagh, from at least 1819 to 1835. Two sons and three daughters were born in Irvinestown. Rebecca's parents, siblings and townland are unknown, but her parents names could be Alexander? or ? and Rebecca? or Jane? Parish records for William and Rebecca's marriage details have been searched in Irvinestown and surrounding areas and no record has been found. Is anyone on the list researching Wilsons in the Trillick or Omagh areas, who may have a connection to a Alexander? and/or a Rebecca Wilson? Any help or suggestions very much appreciated. Many Thanks, Carole Elliott. Victoria-Australia.

The Banbridge and District £10 electors names, 1833 -1840 has now been transcribed on my website, also the Return of Offences in County Down 1862, names can now be picked up by the website search engine, more material will be updated this week, thanks to Margaret and Ned. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com In reply to some emails about raymondscountydownwebsite.net, this has nothing to do with me, the owner of this domain name can be found at http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp raymondscountydownwebsite.com and raymondscountydownwebsite.co.uk are mine, owned by my friend Keith Black Any queries regarding this matter please email me personally. Raymond

Good day Could someone please advise me which Roman Catholic church would service this area, whether it still exists, etc. And am I correct in describing it thus: Barony Omagh, Civil Parish Clogherny, Townland Legacurry. I'm making an assumption from Griffiths and some other evidence that my ancestor Thomas FITZPATRICK was born there. Thanks Bryan ChCh, NZ My family history at http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~bryannp/parrott/index.htm

Hi Bryan, According to William O'Kane, ed., HEATHER PEAT AND STONE: THE PARISHES AND TOWNLANDS OF TYRONE (Dungannon: Irish World, 1992) -- which I highly recommend for anyone doing a significant amount of Tyrone research -- there are three townlands named Legacurry: 1) in Beragh Catholic parish and Clogherny civil parish, 2) in Cappagh Catholic parish and Cappagh civil parish, and 3) in Cookstown Catholic parish and Desertcreat civil parish The book has maps of the county (showing the relative location of all of the civil and Catholic parishes), and maps of each civil and Catholic parish, showing the relative locations of each townland in each parish. The civil parish maps are on our community website, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/ index.html (click on "Maps"). Then click on "Parishes of Co. Tyrone" for the civil parish maps, and "Townlands of --- Parish" (insert the name of the civil parish you're interested in -- they're in alphabetical order) for the civil parish maps showing the relative locations of the townlands. The Catholic parishes named in ## 1 and 3 above are in the Catholic Archdiocese of Armagh; see the Archdiocese's site for maps at http:// www.armagharchdiocese.org/parishes . Click on the parish name to see pictures and locations of the churches in the parish, the contact info for the parish priest, the current size of the parish, and more. Catholic parish #2 (Cappagh) is in the Diocese of Derry; see the Diocese's site for maps at http://www.derrydiocese.org/ parishes.asp (click on "Killyclogher (Cappagh Parish)" to see photos, contact info, etc.). Cappagh parish also has its own site, separate from the listing on the diocesan site, at http:// www.cappaghparish.com/ . If you're looking for info on what RC church records survive for what years, click on the RC parish name on the map on the Irish Times / John Grenham site (the map is here -- http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ tyronerc.htm ). For more info on Irish genealogy (based on Grenham's second ed. of TRACING YOUR IRISH ANCESTORS), I find it easiest to navigate from the site map here -- http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/ sitemap.htm . As for how to describe the location, it depends what you mean. If you mean for address purposes, see the addresses on the sites I mention above. If you mean identifying the townland with the relevant (Catholic) ecclesiastical hierarchy, it would be townland name, parish name, deanery name, (arch)diocese name, ecclesiastical province name (in your case, the relevant Ecclesiastical Province is Armagh, whether it's the Diocese of Derry or the Archdiocese of Armagh). If you mean for record keeping / research purposes, it might depend on what kind of record you're looking for / citing -- e.g., BMDs would be townland, civil parish, maybe registration district, then Superintendent Registrar's District (formerly Poor Law Union), county; wills would be townland, civil parish, probate district. Baronies really only come into play in Old Age Pension files. If all you want is to keep track of the various categories into which your townland falls (without implying any relation between the categories, other than they all share your townland), as in the 1851 Townland Index (online at seanruad.com), then your breakdown is accurate, though there are missing pieces (like PLU). I hope that's helpful and not confusing! Claire K. On May 25, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Bryan wrote: > Could someone please advise me which Roman Catholic church would > service this area, whether it still exists, etc. > And am I correct in describing it thus: Barony Omagh, Civil Parish > Clogherny, Townland Legacurry. > ...

Good Day Bryan As Ray mentioned, there are 3 Legacurry's in County Tyrone. The one you referenced is in Clogherny Parish. The Co. Tyrone website for this mailing list will help orient you and Ray :-) Here is a map of the Civil Parishes: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/maps/paris h.html The specific townlands in Clogherny Parish can be seen here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/maps/clogh erny_tl.html Today's maps show the townland as Legacurry Rd. Go to: http://www.multimap.com Use Postal Code: BT79 0QX The nearest Catholic church appears to be: PARISH OF FINTONA (DONACAVEY), Diocese of Clogher http://www.mmdesignsgroup.co.uk/mmc/index.php Very Rev James Moore, PP, 25 Lisdergan Road, Fintona, Co. Tyrone BT78 2NS. Tel 028-82841907 Email: frj1m@hotmail.com Happy Hunting Bill Hazelton Memphis Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:09:05 +1200 From: "Bryan" <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> Subject: [CoTyIre] Townland Legacurry's RC Church To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <A9D3EF954FE1439981AC454C2B418268@Achilles> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good day Could someone please advise me which Roman Catholic church would service this area, whether it still exists, etc. And am I correct in describing it thus: Barony Omagh, Civil Parish Clogherny, Townland Legacurry. I'm making an assumption from Griffiths and some other evidence that my ancestor Thomas FITZPATRICK was born there. Thanks Bryan ChCh, NZ My family history at http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~bryannp/parrott/index.htm

Hello. Sorry for the delay in replying -- I'm way behind once more on my e-mails. I am interested in your reference below to RAMSEY. I have RAMSEYs, from adjoining County Fermanagh --- in the area around Irvinestown. Just across the nearby border in County Tyrone, such as in the parish of Makenny, it seems that some of these Fermanagh RAMSEYs moved to, lived, farmed, bred, etc. Perhaps your WILSON with the RAMSEY middle name, might have come from that area. Unfortunately, I do not have any knowledge of any WILSON / RAMSEY marriage; but my information is VERY limited. As a side-issue, after my John RAMSEY migrated to Australia in 1861, one of his daughters: Elizabeth Frances RAMSEY married in 1899 in Australia to a Joseph WILSON. His parents were Joseph WILSON and Eliza Jane IRVING (or IRWIN). I have never attempted to research those parents of his, but given the very strong patterns of chain migration in the area, and given that IRVING / IRVINE / IRWIN is a fairly common surname in the Irvinestown area of County Fermanagh, I should not be surprised if they also came from there. But please remember that this is pure supposition on my part. Regards: Ray in oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kentner wilson" <kentnerwilson@gmail.com> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:26 AM >2 additions to the wilson family that sailed to Philadelphia in 1816: > David's son James became a teacher so maybe David was also a teacher. > > James' middle name was Ramsey so anything on the Ramseys' would be > helpful.

Hi All, I have a Joseph RAMSEY, born about 02 May 1825 in Gorey, Donaghmore Parish, County Tyrone, father John RAMSEY. Joseph married a Margaret McATEER, born about 19 Feb 1829 in Mulnahunch, Killeeshil Parish, County Tyrone, father William McATEER. Joseph and Margaret were married 19 Feb 1850 in the Upper Clonaneese Presbyterian Church in Killeeshil Parish, County Tyrone and emigrated to the Pickering area in Southern Ontario, Canada raising 8 children, one of whom was my great grandfather John RAMSEY. I have no dates for Joseph's father John whose parents were possibly Patrick & Margaret (?) RAMSEY or for Margaret's father William McATEER who was possibly born in Scotland. I have been to County Tyrone twice in attempts to find move information but the availability of family history is very limited. Raymond CUDDY of Gory was most helpful during our second visit showing us family farm sites and the inside of the church where they were married. Ron Smith Panama City Beach, FL -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 7:21 AM To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] wilson info and RAMSEY Hello. Sorry for the delay in replying -- I'm way behind once more on my e-mails. I am interested in your reference below to RAMSEY. I have RAMSEYs, from adjoining County Fermanagh --- in the area around Irvinestown. Just across the nearby border in County Tyrone, such as in the parish of Makenny, it seems that some of these Fermanagh RAMSEYs moved to, lived, farmed, bred, etc. Perhaps your WILSON with the RAMSEY middle name, might have come from that area. Unfortunately, I do not have any knowledge of any WILSON / RAMSEY marriage; but my information is VERY limited. As a side-issue, after my John RAMSEY migrated to Australia in 1861, one of his daughters: Elizabeth Frances RAMSEY married in 1899 in Australia to a Joseph WILSON. His parents were Joseph WILSON and Eliza Jane IRVING (or IRWIN). I have never attempted to research those parents of his, but given the very strong patterns of chain migration in the area, and given that IRVING / IRVINE / IRWIN is a fairly common surname in the Irvinestown area of County Fermanagh, I should not be surprised if they also came from there. But please remember that this is pure supposition on my part. Regards: Ray in oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kentner wilson" <kentnerwilson@gmail.com> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:26 AM >2 additions to the wilson family that sailed to Philadelphia in 1816: > David's son James became a teacher so maybe David was also a teacher. > > James' middle name was Ramsey so anything on the Ramseys' would be > helpful. ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My website has been updated today. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

My ancestors are found in Strabane in the parish of Camus, this is a new discovery for me as until a recent stroke of luck I found the birth of my fathers aunt Margaret Mccoy in Old Monkland Near Coatbridge in 1894, her father was Patrick McCoy who was born in Strabane in the parish of Camus in 1862, I would like to hear from other descendants of Patrick McCoy

Hello Eddie. If you are new to this list, I bid you WELCOME. For starters, I suggest that you go the web-site for this list, the URL for which is given at the foot of each posting. (But I will leave it intact at the foot of your posting too, just in case). If you then write CAMUS in the search box at the top of the home-page, you will obtain at the moment 41 hits for CAMUS. And there are several McCOYs within those hits. Just in case you are not familiar with the Householders Index (the first hit), the letter G after a surname indicates that it is from the Griffith Valuation (date given at the top of that page), and a T after a surname indicates that it is from a Tithe Applotment (date also given at the top of that page). I note there also a McCay which could be a transcription error; which is followed by a McClay which may or may not also be McCay / McCoy. There are also McCOYs lower down. I do hope that you will send your thanks personally or via this list to Jim Crabtree for all of your 'finds' on there, as he has done wonderful work in transcribing so much for us. Also Eddie, there is one peculiarity with this list which I cannot understand, but it will not assist you to Reply to the LIST - like I am doing here. To do this, you need to paste: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com into you "To:" line. Good Luck. Ray in oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "McCoy Eddie" <mccoys@clear.net.nz> To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> > My ancestors are found in Strabane in the parish of Camus, ... Patrick McCoy who was born in Strabane in the parish of Camus in 1862, I would like to hear from > other descendants of Patrick McCoy > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland

Hi Bryan Sorry realized I have the religion wrong on this one so checked All of the Fitzpatrick's married from Omagh are C of I all of the ones married in Clogher are RC Patricia

Hi Bryan Found this on Emerald Ancestors not quite the right time frame but family names was very strong in Ireland so could have a connection Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 15 Nov 1852 Groom Name Thomas FITZPATRICK Bride Name Mary Anne MARSHALL Church Langfield Lower Church of Ireland Parish Longfield West Civil District Omagh County Tyrone There are certainly other Fitzpatrick's in Omagh By coincidence My GGGRANDPARENTS CAME OUT ON THE Bombay to Auckland May 1865 They were from England The other side of the family came from Tyrone hence my subscription to Emerald Ancestors Patricia Hamilton NZ -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:38 PM To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [CoTyIre] Thomas FITZPATRICK born c 1851 Omagh Co Tyrone, m 1874,d 1911 Good day My great g'father Thomas (age 19) of County Tyrone emigrated to New Zealand arriving in Lyttleton aboard the 'Bombay' on 18 Aug 1866. A Mag. A. FITZPATRICK (age 17) was aboard the same ship. Another passenger list transcription refers to a Rose FITZPATRICK aged 16 instead. Thomas settled initially in Pigeon Bay, married Ellen CONNOLLY (b c 1852) of Co Galway and had four sons. Mag A/Rose may have married a Denis MAHONEY/O'MAHONY. The family is RC. Thomas' death certificate, informed probably by his wife, states his father as Thomas, mother unknown, and place of birth as Amar (sic). I've started with the assumption that this is Omagh in Co Tyrone, and less likely Co Amargh. But my various online searches find few if any Fitzpatrick's coming up in Tyrone. IFHS has 2 births about the right time but at this stage I'm loath to part out 10 Euros with the paucity of starting information they give you. I've some Griffiths and Tithe Applotement references - 3 I think. Does anyone have any of these family lines in their trees or suggest another starting point or avenue? Thanks Bryan Christchurch NZ My family history at http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~bryannp/parrott/index.htm ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good day My great g'father Thomas (age 19) of County Tyrone emigrated to New Zealand arriving in Lyttleton aboard the 'Bombay' on 18 Aug 1866. A Mag. A. FITZPATRICK (age 17) was aboard the same ship. Another passenger list transcription refers to a Rose FITZPATRICK aged 16 instead. Thomas settled initially in Pigeon Bay, married Ellen CONNOLLY (b c 1852) of Co Galway and had four sons. Mag A/Rose may have married a Denis MAHONEY/O'MAHONY. The family is RC. Thomas' death certificate, informed probably by his wife, states his father as Thomas, mother unknown, and place of birth as Amar (sic). I've started with the assumption that this is Omagh in Co Tyrone, and less likely Co Amargh. But my various online searches find few if any Fitzpatrick's coming up in Tyrone. IFHS has 2 births about the right time but at this stage I'm loath to part out 10 Euros with the paucity of starting information they give you. I've some Griffiths and Tithe Applotement references - 3 I think. Does anyone have any of these family lines in their trees or suggest another starting point or avenue? Thanks Bryan Christchurch NZ My family history at http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~bryannp/parrott/index.htm

Here is an interesting list of surnames for Strabane Graveyards, booklet also available http://www.kabristan.org.uk/county-tyrone-abbreviated/strabane-cemeteries.html

2 additions to the wilson family that sailed to Philadelphia in 1816: David's son James became a teacher so maybe David was also a teacher. James' middle name was Ramsey so anything on the Ramseys' would be helpful.

Hi, My ancestor William Abernethy (c.1824) married Elizabeth Ann Cuddy on 5 January 1860 in Arboe, Co. Tyrone. The marriage Cert states his condition as Widower, and the name of his father  Robert Abernethy. I had believed William's first wife might have been Susanna Elder, who married a William Abernethy on 4 February 1847 in Stewartstown, but their marriage cert names his father as William. Would anyone be able to help me and know the relationship between these two Williams ? Any help would be greatlty appreciated.   Paul Buckenham.  

Joy: See the following link to the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland's (PRONI) information leaflet on this topic: http://www.proni.gov.uk/your_family_tree_series_-_20_-_how_to_use_griffith_s_valuation.pdf Also PRONI has a number of other leaflets which are helpful on an number of other family tree resources. The general page for the leaflets is: http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/research_and_records_held/catalogues_guides_indexes_and_leaflets/information_leaflets.htm#localhistoryseries -----Original Message----- From: Joy Hogg <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> <<<I don't really know what kind of information you get from Griffith's. Is it land ownership? >>>

My website has been updated,and a new website search engine added,giving access to thousands of names,for people researching ancestors . Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com A big thank you to Peter Meaney for help and advice.

Hi all. I research Hogg, Farrell, Bayne and Cousley. The last email gave me some great site suggestions. Thanks so much. I don't really know what kind of information you get from Griffith's. Is it land ownership? And while researching my own side I found out I have other Irish roots! Bunburys, Gerrards and Lord Roberts of Kandahar. Waterford area and Meath. So I am going to have to plan a trip! Joy Hogg, Cadillac Michigan USA