Could someone tell me if the 2nd Presbyterian Church, Parish of Derryloran, Cookstown, Ireland has a graveyard that would have been operational 1950's. Regards Lyn Baker

From visiting in Cookstown a couple of times, I am not aware that 2nd Presbyterian Church has/had a graveyard. The main city graveyard is on the west of town and was established prior to 1950 from what I could tell from the dates on the stones. Regards John M. Collins Sarnia, Canada > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:31:00 +1100 > From: "Lyn Baker" <lb352528@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [CoTyIre] query re burial grounds in Cookstown > To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <9F5D786D03AF45929D3E72B3D5399225@LynPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Could someone tell me if the 2nd Presbyterian Church, Parish of > Derryloran, Cookstown, Ireland has a graveyard that would have been > operational 1950's. > > Regards > Lyn Baker > > ------------------------------

Lyn: I haven't heard of "Old Cookstown Road" in Cookstown. There is (and was) an "Oldtown Street" and McGuckens had lived there. I had previously mentioned to you that McGuckens had owned a licensed hotel, The Commercial Hotel, in Cookstown (in Oldtown Street). James was a farmer, publican, and funeral undertaker. In fact they had a very interesting court case back about 1990 - I attended high school with the plaintiff in the case back in the very early 50s (I recall that he was a wonderful artist). Here's a link where you can read about the proceedings. http://www.ucc.ie/ucc/depts/law/restitution/archive/nicases/mcgucken.htm And, here's a link for Ulster Street Directories 1819-1900: http://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/aetopia/WebObjects/StreetDirectories.woa/2/wo/2JhqbbDQosB1678XG0chFw/2.0.0.1.5 Carmen in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Baker" <lb352528@bigpond.net.au> To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 2:33 AM Subject: [CoTyIre] post office directories for Cookstown >I have a relative , James McGucken, who was living at 3 Old Cookstown >Road, Cookstown Urban, Tyrone on the 1911 census. Could someone tell me >what post office directories are available that would allow me to limit my >search for James's death and burial. > > regards > Lyn Baker > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To the best of my knowledge, Second Cookstown never did have its own burial ground, in fact none of the Presbyterian Churches did. It is most likely that burial for a person who attended 'Second' would have been to the Cookstown New Cemetery. Carmen in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Baker" <lb352528@bigpond.net.au> To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 2:31 AM Subject: [CoTyIre] query re burial grounds in Cookstown > Could someone tell me if the 2nd Presbyterian Church, Parish of > Derryloran, Cookstown, Ireland has a graveyard that would have been > operational 1950's. > > Regards > Lyn Baker > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Hi Carmen, This is what I found in the CWGC Casualty Details Name: BAYNE Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers Unit Text: 1st Bn. Age: 30 Date of Death: 01/10/1915 Service No: 3022 Additional information: Husband of Catherine Bayne (nee Rooney), of Orritor St., Cookstown. Wounded on Gallipoli. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: In South-East part. Cemetery: DERRYLORAN (CHAPEL HILL) ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCHYARD So, sadly, they had only been married for a year when he died. Thankyou for the marriage information - every little part of the jigsaw helps! Do you have some interest in Bayne's or Rooney's that you had a record of the marriage or do you just have access to the information in general? And while I'm asking, a distant Bayne cousin of mine recently married a Ferguson in the Cookstown area - any connection do you think? Regards, David -----Original Message----- From: W A Carmen Ferguson [mailto:wacarmen.ferguson@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, 25 November 2009 8:21 a.m. To: David Bayne; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Bayne You say you 'think' Joseph married Catherine Rooney - well David, I agree that your Joseph Bayne married Catherine Rooney: Entry Details Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 26 Sep 1914 Groom Name joseph Bayne Bride Name catherine Rooney Church Cookstown Roman Catholic Church Parish Derryloran Civil District Cookstown County Tyrone I've looked at the 1911 Census records and agree with Clare L when she says that Joseph was listed as a son of Jane McGUCKIAN. I cannot find a record of Joseph's death; I've searched Ireland's Civil Registration Index (1845-1958) and the Commonwealth War Graves Commission sites. Regards .... Carmen in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bayne" <bayned@chch.planet.org.nz> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 227 > > Greetings all, > > I too am hunting for elusive relatives! > One is a Joseph Bayne who is found living with a family of McGuckian's in > the 1911 census (house 114 Church St, Cookstown urban) > I think this Joseph married a Catherine Rooney and died of wounds WWI, he > is > buried in the Roman Catholic cemetery, Derryloran. > > Most of the Bayne's I am tracking around Cookstown are Presbyterian - > there > may be no connection. On the other hand, this Joseph is 9 years older than > his next eldest sibling. Was he from a former marriage, and did his mum > remarry and then his stepdad die (Jane is listed as a widow)? > Here is the information in case anyone recognises the family and can throw > further light on the matter. > > McGuckian Jane 53 Female > Bayne Joseph 26 Male > McGuckian Matthew 17 Male > McGuckian Elizabeth 15 Female > McGuckian Charles 12 Male > Canavan John 72 Male > > Thanks, > > David Bayne > New Zealand > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:15:57 +1100 > From: "Lyn Baker" <lb352528@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [CoTyIre] McGUCKEN Family of Cookstown, County Tyrone > To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E038F7C77006463D8EEBC37D65A2B8C1@LynPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Good morning all > > I am searching for my very elusive relatives > > Known information > > James McGucken is born 1873-1877 in Antrim to William McGucken (who is > dead > prior to 1911). Would love to find the birth or death of James McGucken > and > establish a mothers name. > > James marries Sarah Sloan born 1883 Clonavaddy, County Tyrone to James > Sloan > and Sarah Oliver. James marries Sarah 2nd Aug 1900 at 2nd Presbyterian > Church, Parish of Derryloran, Cookstown, Ireland. Would the actual Church > record have parents listed? > > James and Sarah have a son Robert McGucken b 1909 in Cookstown, County > Tyrone. > > Unknown when James and Sarah died, but it was in Cookstown. James was a > Publican living at 3 Old Cookstown Road, Cookstown Urban, Tyrone on 1911 > census. Sarah was with him. > > Robert McGucken b 1909, marries Olive Sharpe pre 1937 when daughter Edna > is > born. I am searching for the marriage of this couple, and would love to > find the birth of Olive, probably after 1911. Or the death of Olive. > Robert > died 1980 in Cookstown. > > RECIPROCAL RESEARCH DONE IN AUSTRALIA > > Lyn Baker > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:04:15 +1300 > From: Patricia Moosman <pat.moosman@clear.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] McGUCKEN Family of Cookstown, County Tyrone > To: "'Lyn Baker'" <lb352528@bigpond.net.au>, > COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <0KTE0083S8VALW10@smtp5.clear.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The Marriage > > > Record Type Civil Marriage > Date of Marriage 2 Aug 1900 > Groom Name James MCGUCKEN > Bride Name Sarah SLOAN > Church Cookstown Second Presbyterian Church Parish Derryloran Civil > District > Cookstown County Tyrone I noticed when I copied and pasted this that you > actually had this information, Sorry but it is all I could find > > Patricia > New Zealand > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 227 > *********************************************** > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4623 (20091119) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4624 (20091120) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4634 (20091124) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

You say you 'think' Joseph married Catherine Rooney - well David, I agree that your Joseph Bayne married Catherine Rooney: Entry Details Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 26 Sep 1914 Groom Name joseph Bayne Bride Name catherine Rooney Church Cookstown Roman Catholic Church Parish Derryloran Civil District Cookstown County Tyrone I've looked at the 1911 Census records and agree with Clare L when she says that Joseph was listed as a son of Jane McGUCKIAN. I cannot find a record of Joseph's death; I've searched Ireland's Civil Registration Index (1845-1958) and the Commonwealth War Graves Commission sites. Regards .... Carmen in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bayne" <bayned@chch.planet.org.nz> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 227 > > Greetings all, > > I too am hunting for elusive relatives! > One is a Joseph Bayne who is found living with a family of McGuckian's in > the 1911 census (house 114 Church St, Cookstown urban) > I think this Joseph married a Catherine Rooney and died of wounds WWI, he > is > buried in the Roman Catholic cemetery, Derryloran. > > Most of the Bayne's I am tracking around Cookstown are Presbyterian - > there > may be no connection. On the other hand, this Joseph is 9 years older than > his next eldest sibling. Was he from a former marriage, and did his mum > remarry and then his stepdad die (Jane is listed as a widow)? > Here is the information in case anyone recognises the family and can throw > further light on the matter. > > McGuckian Jane 53 Female > Bayne Joseph 26 Male > McGuckian Matthew 17 Male > McGuckian Elizabeth 15 Female > McGuckian Charles 12 Male > Canavan John 72 Male > > Thanks, > > David Bayne > New Zealand > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:15:57 +1100 > From: "Lyn Baker" <lb352528@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [CoTyIre] McGUCKEN Family of Cookstown, County Tyrone > To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E038F7C77006463D8EEBC37D65A2B8C1@LynPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Good morning all > > I am searching for my very elusive relatives > > Known information > > James McGucken is born 1873-1877 in Antrim to William McGucken (who is > dead > prior to 1911). Would love to find the birth or death of James McGucken > and > establish a mothers name. > > James marries Sarah Sloan born 1883 Clonavaddy, County Tyrone to James > Sloan > and Sarah Oliver. James marries Sarah 2nd Aug 1900 at 2nd Presbyterian > Church, Parish of Derryloran, Cookstown, Ireland. Would the actual Church > record have parents listed? > > James and Sarah have a son Robert McGucken b 1909 in Cookstown, County > Tyrone. > > Unknown when James and Sarah died, but it was in Cookstown. James was a > Publican living at 3 Old Cookstown Road, Cookstown Urban, Tyrone on 1911 > census. Sarah was with him. > > Robert McGucken b 1909, marries Olive Sharpe pre 1937 when daughter Edna > is > born. I am searching for the marriage of this couple, and would love to > find the birth of Olive, probably after 1911. Or the death of Olive. > Robert > died 1980 in Cookstown. > > RECIPROCAL RESEARCH DONE IN AUSTRALIA > > Lyn Baker > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:04:15 +1300 > From: Patricia Moosman <pat.moosman@clear.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] McGUCKEN Family of Cookstown, County Tyrone > To: "'Lyn Baker'" <lb352528@bigpond.net.au>, > COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <0KTE0083S8VALW10@smtp5.clear.net.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > The Marriage > > > Record Type Civil Marriage > Date of Marriage 2 Aug 1900 > Groom Name James MCGUCKEN > Bride Name Sarah SLOAN > Church Cookstown Second Presbyterian Church Parish Derryloran Civil > District > Cookstown County Tyrone I noticed when I copied and pasted this that you > actually had this information, Sorry but it is all I could find > > Patricia > New Zealand > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 227 > *********************************************** > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4623 (20091119) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4624 (20091120) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Tommy 'bewildered in birmingham' (ha ha. still like that reference!). I just realised that I should have provided a QUALITY source of information for you, and after a bit of searching have found it. It is within the wonderful explanation about how to use Griffith's for genealogical purposes. I'd highly recommend reading the entire article -- even if one has read it before. It is so chock-a-block-full of fascinating detail, that I keep 'learning' something new each time that I read it. (I must stress that these days I do have a very poor memory). So, moving right along then -- was it Kermit the Frog who popularised that saying? Not sure anymore (ha ha) -- her is the URL to that most wonderful article: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/Griffiths.PDF For your name issue, go directly to pages 6 through to 10. Enjoy. Ray in oz ----- Original Message --- > From: <doowopdoc@aol.com> > >> Researching Cross families in Kinego and Moyroe, Killyman. Among those >> listed in Kinego was Cross, Thomas, whose name is followed by (Billy), >> and >> Cross, Thomas (Kennedy). In Moyroe, there is Cross, Thomas (Billy) >> again. >> Does anyone know what is signified by the names in parentheses? > ... Tommy Bryant > Bewildered in Birmingham, AL USA

I would like to thank Ray for bringing the article regarding Griffiths Valuation, to the Lists attention.  I have researched in Ireland for many years, but was not aware of this clear, concise explanation of how to use it.Thank you,Doreen __________________________________________________________________ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/

Hello (Bewildered in Birmingham -- ha ha. Sounds like an agony aunt column entry. LOL) Tommy. Occasionally on some of the Ulster lists, I have seen discussion on this sort of thing. If my memory is correct, some of the discussions have said that even today in Ireland (or at least in Fermanagh) they use such naming in local talk, so that where there are several people with the same names, they can know more exactly which one is meant, by tying that person down to his or her next-of-kin in a particular townland. I think that in many cases -- most probably in each of the cases which you cite here --- the name in brackets is usually a reference to the name of the FATHER of the person. So you have Thomas who is the son of Billy; and perhaps the other Thomas is a son of someone called Kennedy CROSS -- or perhaps it might refer to a townland named Kennedy where that CROSS family is resident. Now I am writing this as an ignorant aussie, with NO local Irish knowledge; so hopefully a 'local' will also reply to your note with better quality information; but maybe this might help you a little in the interim. Hope so. Ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: <doowopdoc@aol.com> > Researching Cross families in Kinego and Moyroe, Killyman. Among those > listed in Kinego was Cross, Thomas, whose name is followed by (Billy), and > Cross, Thomas (Kennedy). In Moyroe, there is Cross, Thomas (Billy) again. > Does anyone know what is signified by the names in parentheses? ... Tommy Bryant Bewildered in Birmingham, AL USA

I hope that I can post this message here. I was wondering if Clare Lawler is still subscribed to the List and, if so, could she please contact me off-list. Geraldine Slattery

Dear David, I am not sure if you looked at the original 1911 census image or just the transcribed extract, but the BAYNE you mention in that census entry is listed as a son of Jane McGUCKIAN, the head of household. I hope that's helpful. FYI the 1901 Census is due to be available at the same web site by year's end (keep your fingers crossed) Clare L. (aka TyroneIre) -----Original Message----- From: David Bayne bayned@chch.planet.org.nz <<I too am hunting for elusive relatives! ne is a Joseph Bayne who is found living with a family of McGuckian's in the 1911 census (house 114 Church St, Cookstown urban) think this Joseph married a Catherine Rooney and died of wounds WWI, he is buried in the Roman Catholic cemetery, Derryloran. Most of the Bayne's I am tracking around Cookstown are Presbyterian - there may be no connection. On the other hand, this Joseph is 9 years older than is next eldest sibling. Was he from a former marriage, and did his mum remarry and then his stepdad die (Jane is listed as a widow)? ere is the information in case anyone recognises the family and can throw further light on the matter. McGuckian Jane 53 Female ayne Joseph 26 Male cGuckian Matthew 17 Male cGuckian Elizabeth 15 Female cGuckian Charles 12 Male anavan John 72 Male Thanks, David Bayne ew Zealand >>

Hello again all. Whilst perusing our Jim O'KANE's Ulster Heritage web-site, which I had not visited for quite a while, I found this wonderful article on aspects of marriage in Ulster. It gives an outline of the relevant marriage legislation and practice, at the same time covering topics which sometimes arise about Banns; and talks about how widely apart might be the residences of some parties to a marriage, and the possible reasons for this. Very insightful! In addition, it provides brief marriage details for several people, with some of the surnames mentioned, appearing on many of the Irish lists to which I am a subscriber. Hoping that you might find a lot of interesting and helpful information within it. Here is the URL: http://www.ulsterheritage.com/history/marriage_in_ireland.htm Thank you Jim for making such a great article so easily available to us. Happy Reading! Ray in oz.

Researching Cross families in Kinego and Moyroe, Killyman. Among those listed in Kinego was Cross, Thomas, whose name is followed by (Billy), and Cross, Thomas (Kennedy). In Moyroe, there is Cross, Thomas (Billy) again. Does anyone know what is signified by the names in parentheses? Thanks, Tommy Bryant Bewildered in Birmingham, AL USA

Gwen Barry, The Surname Marshall: An Inventory of Records for Ireland, 1169-1850, Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia: Evans Books, September, 2009. This publication, at 673 pages, is a collection of thousands of records, references, and family groupings in Ireland for the surname Marshall (and its many variant spellings, including le Mareshal and Marechal), from the English conquest of 1169 to 1850, just after the mass exodus of the Great Famine. The records are organized chronologically by province, county, and parish within each county. Each entry is individually sourced with full reference. There is much history to be gleaned from entries of the medieval period, and up to about 1600. Additionally, there is a chapter on the origins of the surname Marshall in Normandy, England, Ireland, and Scotland. And, because of their influence and extensive land holdings in Ireland, another chapter is dedicated to the famous William 'The Protector' Mareshal (c1146-1219) -Lord of Leinster, and to his nephew, John 'the illegitimate' Mareshal of Hingham. It provides extensive family tree constructs of their ancestors and descendants. While there is little new in that chapter, it is the first time that the family has been pulled together into a comprehensive family tree, including the descendants of all of William 'The Protector's' siblings, and their children -both male and female lines. An appendix includes 359 records of other Marshalls of England from 1140 to the 1550s, with sourcing for an additional 90 records of Last Will and Testament. These are the potential Marshall emigrants to Ireland, or their possible ancestors. If interested, contact Gwen Barry at gwenb@eastlink.ca

Hello All. Via a posting on an oz list from a great researcher, I was led to uncover this at the National Library of Scotland's web-site. http://www.nls.uk/maps/index.html Given that we know that many Irish undertook annual seasonal work in Scotland, with many later settling there, these maps might be of assistance with our Irish research. And of course for those of us with Scottish forebears, they can be helpful there too. Regards: Ray in Oz

Hi Lyn, I found two births for a James McGookin in Country Antrim, both to father William McGookin: 1. Dec. 14, 1873, Ballytober, County Antrim, James son of William McGookin of Ballytober, laborer, and Martha Crawford 2. July 10, 1872, Lismenary, Ballynure, County Antrim, James son of William McGookin of Lismenary, farmer, and Grace Kennedy If you want a copy of the actual let me know and I can sned you a scan. Laurel Baty in Maryland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Baker" <lb352528@bigpond.net.au> To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:15:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [CoTyIre] McGUCKEN Family of Cookstown, County Tyrone Good morning all I am searching for my very elusive relatives Known information James McGucken is born 1873-1877 in Antrim to William McGucken (who is dead prior to 1911).  Would love to find the birth or death of James McGucken and establish a mothers name. James marries Sarah Sloan born 1883 Clonavaddy, County Tyrone to James Sloan and Sarah Oliver.  James marries Sarah 2nd Aug 1900 at 2nd Presbyterian Church, Parish of Derryloran, Cookstown, Ireland. Would the actual Church record have parents listed? James and Sarah have a son Robert McGucken b 1909 in Cookstown, County Tyrone. Unknown when James and Sarah died, but it was in Cookstown. James was a Publican living at 3 Old Cookstown Road, Cookstown Urban, Tyrone on 1911 census. Sarah was with him. Robert McGucken b 1909, marries Olive Sharpe pre 1937 when daughter Edna is born.  I am searching for the marriage of this couple, and would love to find the birth of Olive, probably after 1911.  Or the death of Olive. Robert died 1980 in Cookstown. RECIPROCAL RESEARCH DONE IN AUSTRALIA Lyn Baker ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings all, I too am hunting for elusive relatives! One is a Joseph Bayne who is found living with a family of McGuckian's in the 1911 census (house 114 Church St, Cookstown urban) I think this Joseph married a Catherine Rooney and died of wounds WWI, he is buried in the Roman Catholic cemetery, Derryloran. Most of the Bayne's I am tracking around Cookstown are Presbyterian - there may be no connection. On the other hand, this Joseph is 9 years older than his next eldest sibling. Was he from a former marriage, and did his mum remarry and then his stepdad die (Jane is listed as a widow)? Here is the information in case anyone recognises the family and can throw further light on the matter. McGuckian Jane 53 Female Bayne Joseph 26 Male McGuckian Matthew 17 Male McGuckian Elizabeth 15 Female McGuckian Charles 12 Male Canavan John 72 Male Thanks, David Bayne New Zealand ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:15:57 +1100 From: "Lyn Baker" <lb352528@bigpond.net.au> Subject: [CoTyIre] McGUCKEN Family of Cookstown, County Tyrone To: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E038F7C77006463D8EEBC37D65A2B8C1@LynPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good morning all I am searching for my very elusive relatives Known information James McGucken is born 1873-1877 in Antrim to William McGucken (who is dead prior to 1911). Would love to find the birth or death of James McGucken and establish a mothers name. James marries Sarah Sloan born 1883 Clonavaddy, County Tyrone to James Sloan and Sarah Oliver. James marries Sarah 2nd Aug 1900 at 2nd Presbyterian Church, Parish of Derryloran, Cookstown, Ireland. Would the actual Church record have parents listed? James and Sarah have a son Robert McGucken b 1909 in Cookstown, County Tyrone. Unknown when James and Sarah died, but it was in Cookstown. James was a Publican living at 3 Old Cookstown Road, Cookstown Urban, Tyrone on 1911 census. Sarah was with him. Robert McGucken b 1909, marries Olive Sharpe pre 1937 when daughter Edna is born. I am searching for the marriage of this couple, and would love to find the birth of Olive, probably after 1911. Or the death of Olive. Robert died 1980 in Cookstown. RECIPROCAL RESEARCH DONE IN AUSTRALIA Lyn Baker ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:04:15 +1300 From: Patricia Moosman <pat.moosman@clear.net.nz> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] McGUCKEN Family of Cookstown, County Tyrone To: "'Lyn Baker'" <lb352528@bigpond.net.au>, COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <0KTE0083S8VALW10@smtp5.clear.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Marriage Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 2 Aug 1900 Groom Name James MCGUCKEN Bride Name Sarah SLOAN Church Cookstown Second Presbyterian Church Parish Derryloran Civil District Cookstown County Tyrone I noticed when I copied and pasted this that you actually had this information, Sorry but it is all I could find Patricia New Zealand ------------------------------ To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 227 *********************************************** __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4623 (20091119) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4624 (20091120) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

The Marriage Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 2 Aug 1900 Groom Name James MCGUCKEN Bride Name Sarah SLOAN Church Cookstown Second Presbyterian Church Parish Derryloran Civil District Cookstown County Tyrone I noticed when I copied and pasted this that you actually had this information, Sorry but it is all I could find Patricia New Zealand

Good morning all I am searching for my very elusive relatives Known information James McGucken is born 1873-1877 in Antrim to William McGucken (who is dead prior to 1911). Would love to find the birth or death of James McGucken and establish a mothers name. James marries Sarah Sloan born 1883 Clonavaddy, County Tyrone to James Sloan and Sarah Oliver. James marries Sarah 2nd Aug 1900 at 2nd Presbyterian Church, Parish of Derryloran, Cookstown, Ireland. Would the actual Church record have parents listed? James and Sarah have a son Robert McGucken b 1909 in Cookstown, County Tyrone. Unknown when James and Sarah died, but it was in Cookstown. James was a Publican living at 3 Old Cookstown Road, Cookstown Urban, Tyrone on 1911 census. Sarah was with him. Robert McGucken b 1909, marries Olive Sharpe pre 1937 when daughter Edna is born. I am searching for the marriage of this couple, and would love to find the birth of Olive, probably after 1911. Or the death of Olive. Robert died 1980 in Cookstown. RECIPROCAL RESEARCH DONE IN AUSTRALIA Lyn Baker