Hello BBC Radio 4 had a nice programme in their Open Country series.  It featured the natural history of ther Ballinadarra River, which rises in the Sperrin Mountain and flows through Kildress Parish into Lough Neagh. You can hear it online by googling for BBC radio4 listen again, then searching for the Open Country entry for last week Seasons Greeting to all Michael Burns researching Monaghan and McGerrity in KIldress and Corr in adjacent parishes 

Hi all digest subscribers, Christene mentioned that the digest footer did not include our community web site URL like the list mode does. I promised to see about adding the URL to the digests. I couldn't easily add them to the footer, but I added it to the beginning of each digest -- where it's actually more visible, since many might not scroll all the way to the end of the digest. So, digesters, click on the link in the intro to the digest if you want easy access to the CTI website. HTH Claire K. List Admin

Hello John. I saw your reference below to Derryloran, and in case you weren't aware of them, am posting a link to the transcribed Derryloran Parish BDM records from Saint Luran's church there. Here is the link: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/churchrecord/saintluran.html Again, these were all transcribed by a small number of wonderfully giving listers on here; and as you can see in the links given, were made possible because the church has placed scanned copies of its registers online freely available for all to view. Oh that more parishes would do the same! Maybe that should be our wish for the New Year? haha. Regards: ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Collins" <jmacollins@gmail.com> I have a connection to a Rodgers family in Cookstown. Wondering if others might also be connected. George Rodgers born 1789/1790, died 21 Sep 1847, married Rachel Collins born 23 Aug 1798 Dublin, died 24 Mar 1818 Cookstown possibly in first childbirth. Married 31 Dec 1816 at Cookstown. No children known. Both were buried in Derryloran Cemetery. ...

Hello Joy. Thanks for this nice response. So glad that it is helpful. Teena has answered your question about the list archives, but one clue is when you get to the rootsweb options for "International" lists, for County Tyrone, we need to look under "Northern Ireland" (its current political name) and not simply under "Ireland" which covers only the 'south' / Republic / Eire / etc. Now, on to your request for book suggestions. Almost 4 years ago (short by 2 days! ha ha) Teena posted this link: http://www.libraryireland.com/History.php My understanding is that they are all digitised out-of-copyright works, which you can simply read freely online. Also, here is a link to Pat Connors' web-site, to the specific page with Irish History books detailed on it. http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/books/HistoryBooks.htm The site also mentions a specific List which one can join or read in the archives of, for discussions about such books. Also, there is a short listing of Tyrone-related books on the Tyrone List's community web-site, under "Research Resources: Books ... " here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/ And don't forget google and/or wikipedia. For example in google I typed in: "orange order" wikipedia And obtained several hits. Similarly in google I typed in: catholic protestant ireland This gave me lots of hits, the very first one of which MIGHT attempt to answer some of your questions. But please remember Joy that a lot of what you read will be very partisan -- that is providing a one-sided perspective; and without having local knowledge on who might be more balanced than others, it will be difficult for a lot of us to discern the one from the other. Specifically regarding your Dave HOGG family's departure from Tyrone, you may be aware that in migration theory, there are USUALLY TWO separate factors at work: one lot comprises the PUSH factors -- that is, whatever is occurring locally to impel one to leave the local area; and the other lot comprises the PULL factors: what situations in the new land are a drawcard. So if you look at the time-period when Dave HOGG migrated; and then look at the local situations around that time in both countries, you might hopefully glean some insights. Hoping that these might help you some more. Cheers: ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Hogg" <joyhogghwh@yahoo.com> > Dear Ray and list members, > What a great response to Candace and to folks like me. ... ... I immerse myself in the history and geography and then the social history of an area before I write. > > So I have some questions about sources. ... > > Secondly, are there any books or web site which would capture the > feelings, concerns, history of this area from the early 1800's through the > early 1900's? I particularly need to understand that sore point - the > Orangemen Protestants and why Dave Hogg's family left Tyrone. I need to > understand whether it was economic, socio-economic or whatever the reasons > wee for whole families to leave. > > Any ideas on reading material before I start into this side of the family? > Trees are dry - who begat whom doesn't interest our young. I need to > research the stories. > > Joy Hogg, Cadillac Michigan USA

Hello again everyone. I will piggy-back on Sue's lovely note here, to add a few more words. Firstly, thank you to each of you who has posted to say that you have found great value in Boyd's booklet. It sure is a wonderful resource. Thanks again Boyd. Secondly, to Boyd. Thanks for confirming that your little booklet is equally applicable to Tyrone. I had not googled for your westulstergenealogy site, Boyd, but had accessed it from a link either on one of your recent postings, or on a posting or private message from Barbara Braswell. But for anyone who wants to check out your site, I see that you have provided 2 URLs at the foot of your posting here. Thirdly, to Joan. Joan, I am not sure why you are having troubles downloading the full booklet. I am NOT very expert on computer matters, but it MIGHT be either because you have a dial-up service which somehow won't operate for either the length of time that it takes to download the booklet, or for the size of it. Alternatively, I wonder if it might be that your computer might not have sufficient spare memory space to be able to download it. Just guessing, and remember I am NOT an expert on such things (nor on anything else when I come to think of it! ha ha). If you are still not able to download it Joan, perhaps I might be able to download a copy of it and save it as a full pdf file and send that to you privately as an attachment. Let me know off-list if you'd like me to try this avenue for you. Fourthly, to Sue Elliott and to Soopy Sue in NY: thank you both for your lovely words. I owe private replies to each of you, which I hope to get around to one day. Fifthly, A HUGE thank you to ALL involved in this list and its related web-site: Teena, Claire, Tammy, Jim: -- each of you donates just so much of your own private time to making Tyrone research so much easier for the rest of us; and a special thank you to that small number of anonymous transcribers who slave away assisting Teena with transcriptions -- oops, as well as to the non-anonymous ones, like Jim & Len and others. Finally, to all I will take this opportunity to wish each of you an enjoyable Festive Season; and wish each of us increasing success in our genealogical researches in 2010. Regards from Oz: Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob and sue elliott" <robelliott@optusnet.com.au> To: <boydgray26@utvinternet.com>; "'Joan'" <acadianjoan@yahoo.com>; <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com>; <ray15@optusnet.com.au> Cc: "'Barbara'" <barb_braswell20@yahoo.com> Hi Boyd, Ray and all I downloaded and printed the booklet last night (in Australia!!!!!) without a hitch. Great work as usual Ray. Thank you so much again for your generous contributions. > > Best wishes to all for the Christmas season > > Sue in Aus

Well I recently visited graveyards in Co Monaghan doing research for someone. I met a few people walking around a graveyard looking for their relatives, they were complaining about the lack of information available online for graveyards. During the course of the conversation I asked which g/yards they visited and if they had taken many pictures. They had visited 4 graveyards but taken no photos. With the advent of digital cameras it wouldn't take much to photograph all the g/stones as people go around in their search, then post them on line. They were walking past them anyway. Many cemeteries only have 30 or 40 g/stones. If only 20 people visiting g/yards in Tyrone this year did this then we'd have a lot more information than we do now! So if you're visiting a graveyard this year why not "Adopt a graveyard"? On 19/12/2009 07:05, Ray wrote: > Hello John. I saw your reference below to Derryloran, and in case you > weren't aware of them, am posting a link to the transcribed Derryloran > Parish BDM records from Saint Luran's church there. > > Here is the link: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/churchrecord/saintluran.html > > Again, these were all transcribed by a small number of wonderfully giving > listers on here; and as you can see in the links given, were made possible > because the church has placed scanned copies of its registers online freely > available for all to view. Oh that more parishes would do the same! Maybe > that should be our wish for the New Year? haha. > > Regards: ray in oz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Collins"<jmacollins@gmail.com> > > I have a connection to a Rodgers family in Cookstown. Wondering if others > might also be connected. > > George Rodgers born 1789/1790, died 21 Sep 1847, married Rachel > Collins born 23 Aug 1798 Dublin, died 24 Mar 1818 Cookstown possibly in > first childbirth. Married 31 Dec 1816 at Cookstown. No children known. Both > were buried in Derryloran Cemetery. ... > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 091218-1, 18/12/2009 > Tested on: 19/12/2009 09:43:24 > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > >

Hi Joan and all Like Sue in Aust I had no trouble in downloading the booklet. What a great resource. Thanks for the tip. Ian Scott Perth Western Australia At 09:49 PM 18/12/2009, Joan wrote: >Hi Ray, > >I'm not the person you originally replied to however I am also >interested in reading the booklet about research in County Donegal. >So thanks for posting the link. > >I am having trouble downloading the file. I don't know if it's just >me. I get to about 2.86 of the total 3.42 MB of the file when the >download stops. I have tried about 4 times and never get beyond that spot. > >Can you give it a go and let me know if it works for you? I left >your message at the bottom of this post for your reference. > >How about other listers, anyone else have a problem? > >Thanks!! > >Joan <snip>

Hi Boyd, Ray and all I downloaded and printed the booklet last night (in Australia!!!!!) without a hitch. Great work as usual Ray. Thank you so much again for your generous contributions. Best wishes to all for the Christmas season Sue in Aus -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of boydgray26@utvinternet.com Sent: Saturday, 19 December 2009 5:58 AM To: 'Joan'; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com; ray15@optusnet.com.au Cc: 'Barbara' Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Link to booklet about research in Cty Donegal Hi Ray and Joan, The booklet is not actually intended to download, merely open! I am not sure why it does this on some computers, but I know it does. However, last time I witnessed it downloading, Joan, it DID download all the way. I am copying this email to Lindel Buckley the owner of the Donegal website to see if she has any ideas. I too would like to know if others are having trouble as I spent quite a while recently updating the booklet to take account of the new genealogy websites which have come online in the last year - the Griffiths Valuation, the 1911 Census and the Mormons Pilot site of Births, Marriages and Deaths. And yes, every source and technique that is mentioned in the booklet is equally applicable to Tyrone. I am also interested that you managed to find my new website, Ray, as I have had trouble getting the tags to work on it so that, although it is there on the net, and Google knows it is there, you will not find it by simply looking for the usual search words if you do not know it exists. I would also like to take this opportunity to recommend Faye Logue's book, The Strabane Morning Post 1812-37, as my colleague used it recently to find the death notice of the treble great grandfather of a lady we are helping in Australia and he died in 1826! Not many Irish records that far back but Faye's book is a goldmine of both history and genealogy. Merry Christmas to one and all, Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Sent: 18 December 2009 13:49 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com; ray15@optusnet.com.au Subject: [CoTyIre] Link to booklet about research in Cty Donegal Hi Ray, I'm not the person you originally replied to however I am also interested in reading the booklet about research in County Donegal. So thanks for posting the link. I am having trouble downloading the file. I don't know if it's just me. I get to about 2.86 of the total 3.42 MB of the file when the download stops. I have tried about 4 times and never get beyond that spot. SNIP ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I just would like to say thank you on here i read these all the time but now you have explained about Griffiths i maybe now be able to find My McShane,s and McCann,s Kind regards jean On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Tyrone <4theloveoftyrone@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Candace > > First keep in mind that spelling variations are a fact when researching > Anywhere in Ireland. Many folks were illiterate, and the person who > recorded > the records, spelt names as they thought they should be spelt, or often > from > the way the surname 'sounded'. When I discover my LOVE's & ROBINSON's > (married couple) were from Co. Tyrone I had to begin with the process of > ellimination. I did finally find them in the parish of Donagheady townlands > of castmellan and Gortmellon. > > Some of my favorite on line web-sites to help with research are > > our community web-site for the mailing list > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/index.html > > This site has the 1796 flax growers, the tithe applotment books and > Griffiths Valuation. > http://www.failteromhat.com/ > > To start your search you need to find out which parish has the surnames you > seek. As alot of people married within their own parish, this can be > important (but it is not always the case) and an example is > > A search of one of my subscription databases turns up no 'McMILLIAN's in > 1796 and only 1 'McMillan', another spelling is McMILLEN in the Parish of > Derryloran. > > however from the above web-site in 1796 we find > M'Mullan Charles Dromore > M'Mullan Charles Longfield East > M'Mullan Daniel Bodoney Upper > M'Mullan Hugh Killeeshill > M'Mullan James Aghaloo > M'Mullan James Dromore > M'Mullan James Errigal Keerogue > M'Mullen Andrew Clonfeacle > M'Mullen Francis Clonfeacle > M'Mullen James Aghaloo > M'Mullen James Clonfeacle > M'Mullen John Clonfeacle > M'Mullen William Clonfeacle > M'Mullin Elizabeth Ardstraw > > and we can now compare where the RODGERS were at that time > > Rodgers George Ardstraw > Rodgers Hugh Clonfeacle > Rodgers James Ardstraw > Rodgers John Clonfeacle > Rodgers Thomas Clogherny > Rodgers William Ardstraw > Rodgers William Clogher > and > Rogers John Killyman > Rogers Patrick Clonoe > Rogers Robert Donaghedy > Rogers Thomas Donaghenry > Rogers William Clogher > > we have these 2 surnames in the Parishes of Clonfeacle, Ardstraw, Aghaloo > , > (forgive me if I've missed one) > I also found a McMILLAN in the Parish of Donaghmore > > There is only 1 Leonard John in the Parish of Arboe > > There are RODGERS buried in Donaghmore, Killyman, Derryloran, Drumragh, > Clogher, Cappagh, Donaghenry, and Aghaloo. > > ROGERS are buried in Donaghmore, Drumragh, Clonoe, Clonfeacle, Killeeshil, > Clogher, Killyman and Pomeroy > > There are 'MILLIGAN's' buried in Clogher, 'McMILLEN & MacMILLIN' in > Derryloran, 'McMILLAN' in Donaghmore, > > Therefore we have narrowed it down somewhat. requesting look-up or > searching > on-line in the Tithe Applotment books and Griffiths Valuation will also > help > Although we need a bit more information from you regarding this. Forenames > would be great! > > more web-sites > http://www.breadyancestry.com/index.php?id=3 > > http://www.proni.gov.uk/ > wills search > http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm > > http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ > > http://www.scottmcalpine.com/genealogy2.html > > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/index.html > > http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=78.0 > > http://www.nationalarchives.ie/ > > http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search/index > > php?simpleSearchSbm=true&category=14&searchDescTxt=tyrone&simpleSearchSbm=Sea > ch > > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start > > http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php > > http://www.fourcourtspress.ie/ > > http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?tyrone&denomination=CI > > http://www.groireland.ie/ > > http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html > > http://www.cyndislist.com/ireland.htm > > Good Luck and Merry Christmas ~ Teena > > > From: <candacelr@aol.com> > To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:53 PM > > > surnames are RODGERS, McMILLIAN, & LEONARD and they all came to > > Massachusetts by way of Canada. The RODGERS & McMILLIAN arrived in St. > John's, New > > Brunswick, Canada in 1823 and LEONARD was in Halifax, Nova Scotia, > Canada > in > > 1840. > > ------------- > Our community web-site: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jean NAMES I AM SEARCHING MCSHANE WELSH VANCE LYNCH ONEIL CHRISTIE RAFFERTY,MCCONNELL TACKNEY BROGAN MCHALE THORNTON COYLE MULHEARN MCGURK AND HALF OF SCOTLAND LOL

Hi Ray and Joan, The booklet is not actually intended to download, merely open! I am not sure why it does this on some computers, but I know it does. However, last time I witnessed it downloading, Joan, it DID download all the way. I am copying this email to Lindel Buckley the owner of the Donegal website to see if she has any ideas. I too would like to know if others are having trouble as I spent quite a while recently updating the booklet to take account of the new genealogy websites which have come online in the last year - the Griffiths Valuation, the 1911 Census and the Mormons Pilot site of Births, Marriages and Deaths. And yes, every source and technique that is mentioned in the booklet is equally applicable to Tyrone. I am also interested that you managed to find my new website, Ray, as I have had trouble getting the tags to work on it so that, although it is there on the net, and Google knows it is there, you will not find it by simply looking for the usual search words if you do not know it exists. I would also like to take this opportunity to recommend Faye Logue's book, The Strabane Morning Post 1812-37, as my colleague used it recently to find the death notice of the treble great grandfather of a lady we are helping in Australia and he died in 1826! Not many Irish records that far back but Faye's book is a goldmine of both history and genealogy. Merry Christmas to one and all, Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Sent: 18 December 2009 13:49 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com; ray15@optusnet.com.au Subject: [CoTyIre] Link to booklet about research in Cty Donegal Hi Ray, I'm not the person you originally replied to however I am also interested in reading the booklet about research in County Donegal. So thanks for posting the link. I am having trouble downloading the file. I don't know if it's just me. I get to about 2.86 of the total 3.42 MB of the file when the download stops. I have tried about 4 times and never get beyond that spot. SNIP

I have a connection to a Rodgers family in Cookstown. Wondering if others might also be connected. George Rodgers born 1789/1790, died 21 Sep 1847, married Rachel Collins born 23 Aug 1798 Dublin, died 24 Mar 1818 Cookstown possibly in first childbirth. Married 31 Dec 1816 at Cookstown. No children known. Both were buried in Derryloran Cemetery. George is listed as a grocer in Pigot's 1824 Directory and in the 1846 Directory as a grocer on William St., Cookstown. His father may have been Alexander Rodgers whose death was noted from Belfast News-Letter of Tuesday, January 22, 1839. Issue 10596 “On the 11th inst. [11 Jan 1839] at Cookstown, Mr. Alexander Rodgers, aged 86 years [DOB 1752], an old and respectable inhabitant of that place.” John M. Collins Sarnia, Ont. Canada E-mail address jcollins@xcelco.on.ca On 18-Dec-09, at 9:28 AM, cotyroneireland-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:09:57 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) > From: "Tyrone" <4theloveoftyrone@gmail.com> > Subject: [CoTyIre] RODGERS, McMILLIAN, & LEONARD > To: <CoTyroneIreland-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4B2B7115.000003.02696@USER-PC> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Candace > > First keep in mind that spelling variations are a fact when > researching > Anywhere in Ireland. Many folks were illiterate, and the person who > recorded > the records, spelt names as they thought they should be spelt, or > often from > the way the surname 'sounded'. When I discover my LOVE's & ROBINSON's > (married couple) were from Co. Tyrone I had to begin with the > process of > ellimination. I did finally find them in the parish of Donagheady > townlands > of castmellan and Gortmellon. > > Some of my favorite on line web-sites to help with research are > > our community web-site for the mailing list > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/index.html > > This site has the 1796 flax growers, the tithe applotment books and > Griffiths Valuation. > http://www.failteromhat.com/ > > To start your search you need to find out which parish has the > surnames you > seek. As alot of people married within their own parish, this can be > important (but it is not always the case) and an example is > > A search of one of my subscription databases turns up no > 'McMILLIAN's in > 1796 and only 1 'McMillan', another spelling is McMILLEN in the > Parish of > Derryloran. > > however from the above web-site in 1796 we find > M'Mullan Charles Dromore > M'Mullan Charles Longfield East > M'Mullan Daniel Bodoney Upper > M'Mullan Hugh Killeeshill > M'Mullan James Aghaloo > M'Mullan James Dromore > M'Mullan James Errigal Keerogue > M'Mullen Andrew Clonfeacle > M'Mullen Francis Clonfeacle > M'Mullen James Aghaloo > M'Mullen James Clonfeacle > M'Mullen John Clonfeacle > M'Mullen William Clonfeacle > M'Mullin Elizabeth Ardstraw > > and we can now compare where the RODGERS were at that time > > Rodgers George Ardstraw > Rodgers Hugh Clonfeacle > Rodgers James Ardstraw > Rodgers John Clonfeacle > Rodgers Thomas Clogherny > Rodgers William Ardstraw > Rodgers William Clogher > and > Rogers John Killyman > Rogers Patrick Clonoe > Rogers Robert Donaghedy > Rogers Thomas Donaghenry > Rogers William Clogher > > we have these 2 surnames in the Parishes of Clonfeacle, Ardstraw, > Aghaloo , > (forgive me if I've missed one) > I also found a McMILLAN in the Parish of Donaghmore > > There is only 1 Leonard John in the Parish of Arboe > > There are RODGERS buried in Donaghmore, Killyman, Derryloran, > Drumragh, > Clogher, Cappagh, Donaghenry, and Aghaloo. > > ROGERS are buried in Donaghmore, Drumragh, Clonoe, Clonfeacle, > Killeeshil, > Clogher, Killyman and Pomeroy > > There are 'MILLIGAN's' buried in Clogher, 'McMILLEN & MacMILLIN' in > Derryloran, 'McMILLAN' in Donaghmore, > *********************************************

Hi Boyd, Thanks for looking into the issue with your booklet. I look forward to viewing it. Maybe the problem is on my end but I did open other pdf documents today and they worked ok. Can you please elaborate on Faye Logue's book - specifically where it can be purchased and the cost? I was able to get a lot of info pertaining to the contents of the book by googling it, but could not find where to buy it. Joan Researching BOND, MEAGHER and PELLERIN in Port Felix, Nova Scotia. Researching LAFORET in Williamsburg NY and E. Boston MA Researching CONNOLLY and McLAUGHLIN in Cty Tryone Ireland and Ontario Canada ________________________________ From: "boydgray26@utvinternet.com" <boydgray26@utvinternet.com> To: Joan <acadianjoan@yahoo.com>; cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com; ray15@optusnet.com.au Cc: Barbara <barb_braswell20@yahoo.com> Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 1:58:12 PM Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Link to booklet about research in Cty Donegal Hi Ray and Joan, The booklet is not actually intended to download, merely open! I am not sure why it does this on some computers, but I know it does. However, last time I witnessed it downloading, Joan, it DID download all the way. I am copying this email to Lindel Buckley the owner of the Donegal website to see if she has any ideas. I too would like to know if others are having trouble as I spent quite a while recently updating the booklet to take account of the new genealogy websites which have come online in the last year - the Griffiths Valuation, the 1911 Census and the Mormons Pilot site of Births, Marriages and Deaths. And yes, every source and technique that is mentioned in the booklet is equally applicable to Tyrone. I am also interested that you managed to find my new website, Ray, as I have had trouble getting the tags to work on it so that, although it is there on the net, and Google knows it is there, you will not find it by simply looking for the usual search words if you do not know it exists. I would also like to take this opportunity to recommend Faye Logue's book, The Strabane Morning Post 1812-37, as my colleague used it recently to find the death notice of the treble great grandfather of a lady we are helping in Australia and he died in 1826! Not many Irish records that far back but Faye's book is a goldmine of both history and genealogy. Merry Christmas to one and all, Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Sent: 18 December 2009 13:49 To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com; ray15@optusnet.com.au Subject: [CoTyIre] Link to booklet about research in Cty Donegal Hi Ray, I'm not the person you originally replied to however I am also interested in reading the booklet about research in County Donegal. So thanks for posting the link. I am having trouble downloading the file. I don't know if it's just me. I get to about 2.86 of the total 3.42 MB of the file when the download stops. I have tried about 4 times and never get beyond that spot. SNIP

Dear Joy I so agree about Ray's response! I have known Ray for awhile and he is definitely someone who knows what he's talking about! (lol ray) As far as books....Google books has a wealth of books which can be read online....although recently they have had some issues with copyrights and some of their books were unavailable. But if you go on the site and put in whatever you are looking for like "Geography Tyrone" you'll be amazed at some of the books that come up. I am well known for finding so much on google in previous "times". In fact there are books many written in the early 1800s describing life and people in Ireland. Good luck with your research and as I am sure you have seen during your years "reading" here...people on these lists are more then willing to help each other....ALL you need to do is ask or post and incredible info and advice will appear. As far as "past" I believe Ray is talking about the Archives. You can reach that by going to the main rootsweb site, under Lists. Whatever it is you need...always just ask...there is an incredible amount of info that the people on this list are more then willing to give you!! Good Luck! Sue in NY PS Ray...hmmmm..."need a Promotional Agent?" LOL In a message dated 12/18/2009 9:29:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joyhogghwh@yahoo.com writes: Dear Ray and list members, What a great response to Candace and to folks like me. I am writing small books on mycanvas.com for family members and within a year I will tackle my husband's Hogg/Bayne/Farrel/Cousley tree. This one will be hard as I am not infused with the history and flavor, as I have been with the trees on my side. I have discovered there are certain unspoken trends, tendencies, values etc. that go down the generations of families, and one has to be careful to get what I call the flavor. So I immerse myself in the history and geography and then the social history of an area before I write. So I have some questions about sources. You mentioned to Candace she might perhaps look at these postings going back several years. Do we have archives like that? I have been reading here for about 2 years. Secondly, are there any books or web site which would capture the feelings, concerns, history of this area from the early 1800's through the early 1900's? I particularly need to understand that sore point - the Orangemen Protestants and why Dave Hogg's family left Tyrone. I need to understand whether it was economic, socio-economic or whatever the reasons wee for whole families to leave. Any ideas on reading material before I start into this side of the family? Trees are dry - who begat whom doesn't interest our young. I need to research the stories. Joy Hogg, Cadillac Michigan USA ------------- Our community web-site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cotyroneireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Ray and list members, What a great response to Candace and to folks like me. I am writing small books on mycanvas.com for family members and within a year I will tackle my husband's Hogg/Bayne/Farrel/Cousley tree. This one will be hard as I am not infused with the history and flavor, as I have been with the trees on my side. I have discovered there are certain unspoken trends, tendencies, values etc. that go down the generations of families, and one has to be careful to get what I call the flavor. So I immerse myself in the history and geography and then the social history of an area before I write. So I have some questions about sources. You mentioned to Candace she might perhaps look at these postings going back several years. Do we have archives like that? I have been reading here for about 2 years. Secondly, are there any books or web site which would capture the feelings, concerns, history of this area from the early 1800's through the early 1900's? I particularly need to understand that sore point - the Orangemen Protestants and why Dave Hogg's family left Tyrone. I need to understand whether it was economic, socio-economic or whatever the reasons wee for whole families to leave. Any ideas on reading material before I start into this side of the family? Trees are dry - who begat whom doesn't interest our young. I need to research the stories. Joy Hogg, Cadillac Michigan USA

Hi Ray, I'm not the person you originally replied to however I am also interested in reading the booklet about research in County Donegal. So thanks for posting the link. I am having trouble downloading the file. I don't know if it's just me. I get to about 2.86 of the total 3.42 MB of the file when the download stops. I have tried about 4 times and never get beyond that spot. Can you give it a go and let me know if it works for you? I left your message at the bottom of this post for your reference. How about other listers, anyone else have a problem? Thanks!! Joan Researching BOND, MEAGHER and PELLERIN in Port Felix, Nova Scotia. Researching LAFORET in Williamsburg NY and E. Boston MA Researching CONNOLLY and McLAUGHLIN in Cty Tryone Ireland and Ontario Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:12:06 +1000 From: "Ray" <ray15@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 243 To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4B4190E1756F43FB944BD13E3381D6BD@linda> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello. I assume from your e-mail address that your name is Candace, as you have not signed off with any name. In reality, what you are asking is How Does One Do Tyrone Genealogy? A huge question, with many and lengthy answers. Instead of even attempting such a project, I will instead guide you to this very helpful little booklet, which was written particularly for genealogy research in the adjoining County Donegal; however most of the resources which the author: Boyd GRAY mentions, are equally applicable for County Tyrone -- one of the major differences being that you may need to go to PRONI (The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland) for a lot of your information. Boyd is or was a member of this list, so my apologies Boyd if I am pre-empting any reply from you. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/genbooklet.pdf I had attempted to find the same booklet listed on Boyd's own West Ulster Genealogy web-site, but was not able to do so. Probably due to my own poor internet research skills. Candace, just remember that google will give you a LOT of helpful results, so I'd suggest that you google every time that you meet a terminology which you do not understand -- like "townland" perhaps; also for every place-name which you encounter and want to know more about; and also for the surnames which you are researching. Finally, I'd also recommend that you look through the past postings on this list for several years past, as members constantly post hints and suggestions for relevant research. By reading every posting to the list, even if it is not for surnames which interest us, many of us are forever learning interesting new tid-bits of research options, interpretations of old ones, etc. For example they might mention US or Canadian (or British, New Zealand or Australian -- or other countries' ) resources which might help you. Good Luck with your hunting. Ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: <candacelr@aol.com> ... I have a question, if you know that your Great, Great Grandparents are from County Tyrone, Ireland, what does one do to find more information? ... ------------------------------ To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 246 ***********************************************

Hello Friends There is also our mailing list archives which go back years and contain a whole host of data and information contained in them You can browse or search here (also our community web-site) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/subscribe.html It is always a wise idea to search there. Many, many questions have been answered and too many ancestors posted to even begin to count. <VBG> Merry Ho, Ho's Teena

Ray, I am also relatively new to this fun subject and do use all the tips you suggested to Candace. I also do as you suggest and look at all the messages, even those not related to me, in search of ideas and am grateful for you pointing out this booklet. It is VERY helpful. Thank you! Jo-Ann (in BC Canada) =========== Instead of even attempting such a project, I will instead guide you to this > very helpful little booklet, which was written particularly for genealogy > research in the adjoining County Donegal; however most of the resources > which the author: Boyd GRAY mentions, are equally applicable for County > Tyrone -- one of the major differences being that you may need to go to > PRONI (The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland) for a lot of your > information. > Boyd is or was a member of this list, so my apologies Boyd if I am > pre-empting any reply from you. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/genbooklet.pdf<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Edonegal/genbooklet.pdf> > > > Ray in oz >

Hi Candace First keep in mind that spelling variations are a fact when researching Anywhere in Ireland. Many folks were illiterate, and the person who recorded the records, spelt names as they thought they should be spelt, or often from the way the surname 'sounded'. When I discover my LOVE's & ROBINSON's (married couple) were from Co. Tyrone I had to begin with the process of ellimination. I did finally find them in the parish of Donagheady townlands of castmellan and Gortmellon. Some of my favorite on line web-sites to help with research are our community web-site for the mailing list http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cotyroneireland/index.html This site has the 1796 flax growers, the tithe applotment books and Griffiths Valuation. http://www.failteromhat.com/ To start your search you need to find out which parish has the surnames you seek. As alot of people married within their own parish, this can be important (but it is not always the case) and an example is A search of one of my subscription databases turns up no 'McMILLIAN's in 1796 and only 1 'McMillan', another spelling is McMILLEN in the Parish of Derryloran. however from the above web-site in 1796 we find M'Mullan Charles Dromore M'Mullan Charles Longfield East M'Mullan Daniel Bodoney Upper M'Mullan Hugh Killeeshill M'Mullan James Aghaloo M'Mullan James Dromore M'Mullan James Errigal Keerogue M'Mullen Andrew Clonfeacle M'Mullen Francis Clonfeacle M'Mullen James Aghaloo M'Mullen James Clonfeacle M'Mullen John Clonfeacle M'Mullen William Clonfeacle M'Mullin Elizabeth Ardstraw and we can now compare where the RODGERS were at that time Rodgers George Ardstraw Rodgers Hugh Clonfeacle Rodgers James Ardstraw Rodgers John Clonfeacle Rodgers Thomas Clogherny Rodgers William Ardstraw Rodgers William Clogher and Rogers John Killyman Rogers Patrick Clonoe Rogers Robert Donaghedy Rogers Thomas Donaghenry Rogers William Clogher we have these 2 surnames in the Parishes of Clonfeacle, Ardstraw, Aghaloo , (forgive me if I've missed one) I also found a McMILLAN in the Parish of Donaghmore There is only 1 Leonard John in the Parish of Arboe There are RODGERS buried in Donaghmore, Killyman, Derryloran, Drumragh, Clogher, Cappagh, Donaghenry, and Aghaloo. ROGERS are buried in Donaghmore, Drumragh, Clonoe, Clonfeacle, Killeeshil, Clogher, Killyman and Pomeroy There are 'MILLIGAN's' buried in Clogher, 'McMILLEN & MacMILLIN' in Derryloran, 'McMILLAN' in Donaghmore, Therefore we have narrowed it down somewhat. requesting look-up or searching on-line in the Tithe Applotment books and Griffiths Valuation will also help Although we need a bit more information from you regarding this. Forenames would be great! more web-sites http://www.breadyancestry.com/index.php?id=3 http://www.proni.gov.uk/ wills search http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ http://www.scottmcalpine.com/genealogy2.html http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/index.html http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=78.0 http://www.nationalarchives.ie/ http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search/index php?simpleSearchSbm=true&category=14&searchDescTxt=tyrone&simpleSearchSbm=Sea ch http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php http://www.fourcourtspress.ie/ http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?tyrone&denomination=CI http://www.groireland.ie/ http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html http://www.cyndislist.com/ireland.htm Good Luck and Merry Christmas ~ Teena From: <candacelr@aol.com> To: <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:53 PM > surnames are RODGERS, McMILLIAN, & LEONARD and they all came to > Massachusetts by way of Canada. The RODGERS & McMILLIAN arrived in St. John's, New > Brunswick, Canada in 1823 and LEONARD was in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada in > 1840.

Hello. I assume from your e-mail address that your name is Candace, as you have not signed off with any name. In reality, what you are asking is How Does One Do Tyrone Genealogy? A huge question, with many and lengthy answers. Instead of even attempting such a project, I will instead guide you to this very helpful little booklet, which was written particularly for genealogy research in the adjoining County Donegal; however most of the resources which the author: Boyd GRAY mentions, are equally applicable for County Tyrone -- one of the major differences being that you may need to go to PRONI (The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland) for a lot of your information. Boyd is or was a member of this list, so my apologies Boyd if I am pre-empting any reply from you. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/genbooklet.pdf I had attempted to find the same booklet listed on Boyd's own West Ulster Genealogy web-site, but was not able to do so. Probably due to my own poor internet research skills. Candace, just remember that google will give you a LOT of helpful results, so I'd suggest that you google every time that you meet a terminology which you do not understand -- like "townland" perhaps; also for every place-name which you encounter and want to know more about; and also for the surnames which you are researching. Finally, I'd also recommend that you look through the past postings on this list for several years past, as members constantly post hints and suggestions for relevant research. By reading every posting to the list, even if it is not for surnames which interest us, many of us are forever learning interesting new tid-bits of research options, interpretations of old ones, etc. For example they might mention US or Canadian (or British, New Zealand or Australian -- or other countries' ) resources which might help you. Good Luck with your hunting. Ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: <candacelr@aol.com> ... I have a question, if you know that your Great, Great Grandparents are from County Tyrone, Ireland, what does one do to find more information? ...

Hello Stephanie. If you go to www.seanruad.com and enter Drumsonas in the first line there -- the townland line. THEN change the box on the right FROM 'exact...' TO: At Beginning of field -- so that it will search for DRUMSO... and hopefully will more easily find the townland being searched for --- as townland, place-name, and surname spellings in Ireland are NOTORIOUS for much changeability --- THEN you will hopefully find your answer. Just in case you have trouble doing all of that, here is the result: Townland: Drumsonnus (n.b. I have frequently also seen this spelt as Drumsonnis) Acres: 391 County: Tyrone Barony: Omagh East Civil Parish: Kilskeery (n.b. I have also often seen this spelt as Kilskerry) PLU (for Poor Law Union): Lowtherstown (this was the former name of the town now known as Irvinestown in County Fermanagh, very close to Kilskeery Parish.) Province: Ulster. If you google for the various spellings of Drumsonnus, you never know what goodies you might find. Likewise, google for Kilskeery and Kilskerry, and you may find lots of other goodies. If you have not yet done it, also google for HAMILTON Kilskeery, and I expect that you will obtain lots of hits. Good Luck. ray in oz also ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephanie" <shume@tpg.com.au> > Am looking for information on Drumsonas : is this in Kilkeery parish and > whereabouts is that? > > shume@tpg.com.au