Agreed - I always check multiple databases when on the trail of an elusive ancestor. Most newspaper and other databases are extremely spelling sensitive, so wildcard searches are essential, when that option is available. Margaret snip But do remember one thing. PRONI does have quite a few of the actual wills photographed now and online at their website. Including my George Joyce. There was no mention of that at the Fs website. You could miss a lot if you do not use the two together. Boyd Gray

Hello, I was wondering, please, if SKS might be able to send me a website for the 1926, or, even an update as to when it is finally coming out? Thank you. Shannah TWISS from Canada [email protected]

Although I "replied all" to Ally and the board, it would appear that my message did NOT reach the board. Not unusual, but a bit annoying. Ally has responded, but the information may be useful to the board. -----Original Message----- From: DonnellyA [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 13 June, 2013 2:39 PM To: '[email protected]'; [email protected] Subject: Ordering Document from PRONI Ally, Did you notice that familysearch.org has just added a database of the Ireland, Calendar of Wills and Administrations? Fairly good quality images from the printed books. https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1921305 and it is searchable by beneficiary/legatee name as well as by legator. Margaret ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:11:38 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [CoTyIre] Ordering Document from PRONI To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just found in the Will Calendars a will for someone who may be an ancestor I checked the PRONI site and it is indeed listed, but it says 'No Image'. Does that mean there is no image online -OR- no image at all? Also, how would I go about ordering a copy of this will? Thanks, Ally ------------------------------

Thanks for the laugh Boyd. > while we > may have been a tad unfortunate in accidentally blowing up more of our > records than was prudent, we DO have a census substitute which is far … We have no excuse for not having any census records other than the fact that many of our forebears didn't want to be identified as being connected to convict stock. Our census records are still being pulped 'for privacy reasons' unless one ticks the box to have their particular return retained. The silly thing about being connected to convict stock is that it is now quite the thing. I often think how boring it must be to research the aristocracy where everything has been recorded for centuries. Where is the challenge in that? Thank you for all your research tips. Margaret in Oz.

Ally, Did you notice that familysearch.org has just added a database of the Ireland, Calendar of Wills and Administrations? Fairly good quality images from the printed books. https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1921305 and it is searchable by beneficiary/legatee name as well as by legator. Margaret ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 20:11:38 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [CoTyIre] Ordering Document from PRONI To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just found in the Will Calendars a will for someone who may be an ancestor I checked the PRONI site and it is indeed listed, but it says 'No Image'. Does that mean there is no image online -OR- no image at all? Also, how would I go about ordering a copy of this will? Thanks, Ally ------------------------------

Hi Margaret I suspect the vast majority are not challenged by the research into aristocracy <vbg> As you say its ironic that convict connections seems to be as desirable as a connection to the Pilgrims is for Americans Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > We have no excuse for not having any census records other than the fact that many of our forebears didn't want to be identified as being connected to convict stock. Our census records are still being pulped 'for privacy reasons' unless one ticks the box to have their particular return retained. The silly thing about being connected to convict stock is that it is now quite the thing. > > I often think how boring it must be to research the aristocracy where everything has been recorded for centuries. Where is the challenge in that? > > Thank you for all your research tips. > > Margaret in Oz.

Boyd I have subscribed to "Family Tree" magazine for many many years and can vouch for your statement about your campaigns, since before the turn of the 2000s, because that magazine has published the information as it came to them. Your name was known to me from those articles. I have also used your Website and found a relation listed there. Thank you for all your efforts to get the National Register for Identity Cards Released. That should give us all our family members, as well as the servants held in each household. Our household all began UAJA xxx, and, as the youngest in the household I was xxx/7. We had to be able to show that Card on demand of the Police. But my mother got us an "Identity Bracelet" with the number engraved on it, which we wore in case of mishap. That was also my National Health Service Medical Card Number at the Doctor, until I returned to Ireland from Yorkshire in 1991, when I was issued with a new Number when I registered with our local Doctor. I still have my Identity Card issued at the start of WW2. It does no harm to bemoan the loss of the information and Census returns. But that is something we have to live with and try to research around it. Viola

Hi everyone Yet another query about Urney.Throughout the 19th century my ancestors farmed two farms in the townlands of Rabstown and Glentown. Their landlord was the Rev William Knox who was also landlord to all of Glentown and most of Rabstown. Another member of the clergy, Rev John McConaghy was the landlord for the rest of Rabstown. I think he was the Church of Ireland rector for Urney. My query is whether these two were the owners of the land or were they acting for the church. Also can anyone tell me anything about them - I seem to remember that a Rev W Knox was the rector of Clonleigh in Donegal (Ordnance Survey Memoirs) . Would there be any records relating to them or their tenants other than Griffiths and the revision books. Hope someone might have some information. Have been having fun recently, comparing maps from the Griffiths Valuation with modern OS maps, then googling the spots where I think the farms were. Without actually being able to visit Tyrone at the moment, it's amazing to be able to 'walk' along the lanes that my ancestors walked , look out over their fields and see if anything remains of their homes. Modern technology is a wonderful thing! I was just about to send this when I noticed Boyd's latest contribution relating to the Griffiths Valuation and it's amazing content. It is where so much of my information about my family has come from, and my last comment reinforces the magic it can create. Regards Marion Shephard

A big thanks to all who have tried to clarify the situation as regards these censuses, I am now more hopeful that at least there is another census somewhere in the pipeline even if there are no plans as yet to release it. My only concern about the 1937 census is that I am almost old enough not to need it!! And I certainly have living family members who were born well before 1937! I would just like to take this opportunity to clarify my earlier comments re not complaining and instead, doing something positive and making a virtue of this "lost" census by campaigning for the release of the next available one. Just in case anyone took offense at my rather self deprecatory remarks about us Irish being too quick to moan instead of making the best of things. Several factors were in my head when I wrote that. 1. I spoke to a senior Presbyterian clergyman recently who expressed severe misgivings about continuing to share his church records. The reason he gave me was that they contained sensitive information and cited illegitimacy in particular. I am sure this was indeed on his mind but I am equally sure that he has reached the end of his tether with people "demanding", as he would see it, access to his registers. These men, regardless of religious denomination, usually have several churches to look after and get paid very little. The last thing I want to see is for our political masters to decide that we are not mature enough to see the census from 1937, as it now transpires, because it is too sensitive! 2. It grieves me increasingly to hear Irish family historians bemoaning the difficulty of Irish genealogy. I am quite proud to be Irish and while we may have been a tad unfortunate in accidentally blowing up more of our records than was prudent, we DO have a census substitute which is far superior to any UK, US or antipodean census - and that is the Griffiths valuation. Have any of these other censuses got a map to accompany them that shows the exact spot on the ground where your great great grandmother was born? I think not. So, let's be positive about our beloved Irish ancestry and not start complaining about yet another lost source. 3. My passion is to link as many members of the diaspora with their Irish ancestors as I can possibly manage. I am currently writing another wee guide which will go online soon at my WUGS Facebook page to help those who wish to help themselves. This is the Year of the Gathering in Ireland as well as Derry/Londonderry City of Culture year and I am not convinced that sufficient emphasis has been given to genealogy in the plans for either of these events. And don't tell me that visitors from the diaspora will not be interested in knowing where their folks originated. What we do not need is yet another excuse for organizers to tell anyone from abroad that we just do not have the sources to help them. Just thought I would have that wee whinge in good old Irish fashion! Regards, Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy

Boyd, I always value what you say in high regard and totally agree with you. For as many obstacles as I have run into researching my family in Ireland there has always been a bit of success with persistence. Giving up early in your research is giving up on some clue which may lead you somewhere you never thought you would find your family. Just because not all the records exist doesn’t mean there aren't ways around finding out what you need to know. For instance I recently wondered where it was my 2nd great grandmother and 3rd great grandfather lived in Donaghanie in Clogherny Parish Tyrone. I used the Griffiths revision list in conjunction with the names of landlords listed for my family on Form B1 in the 1901 and 1911 census. I was able to find the landlords land using the revision lists and they lived just next door to each other just as my 2nd great grandmother and her father did in the 1911 census Boyd you do an amazing job and have helped me in so many ways. Without your guidance I would know so much less of my family's story Cheers Regards, Michael Kelly Emporium, Cameron County, Pennsylvania, United States of America -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:43 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] 1926 Census A big thanks to all who have tried to clarify the situation as regards these censuses, I am now more hopeful that at least there is another census somewhere in the pipeline even if there are no plans as yet to release it. My only concern about the 1937 census is that I am almost old enough not to need it!! And I certainly have living family members who were born well before 1937! I would just like to take this opportunity to clarify my earlier comments re not complaining and instead, doing something positive and making a virtue of this "lost" census by campaigning for the release of the next available one. Just in case anyone took offense at my rather self deprecatory remarks about us Irish being too quick to moan instead of making the best of things. Several factors were in my head when I wrote that. 1. I spoke to a senior Presbyterian clergyman recently who expressed severe misgivings about continuing to share his church records. The reason he gave me was that they contained sensitive information and cited illegitimacy in particular. I am sure this was indeed on his mind but I am equally sure that he has reached the end of his tether with people "demanding", as he would see it, access to his registers. These men, regardless of religious denomination, usually have several churches to look after and get paid very little. The last thing I want to see is for our political masters to decide that we are not mature enough to see the census from 1937, as it now transpires, because it is too sensitive! 2. It grieves me increasingly to hear Irish family historians bemoaning the difficulty of Irish genealogy. I am quite proud to be Irish and while we may have been a tad unfortunate in accidentally blowing up more of our records than was prudent, we DO have a census substitute which is far superior to any UK, US or antipodean census - and that is the Griffiths valuation. Have any of these other censuses got a map to accompany them that shows the exact spot on the ground where your great great grandmother was born? I think not. So, let's be positive about our beloved Irish ancestry and not start complaining about yet another lost source. 3. My passion is to link as many members of the diaspora with their Irish ancestors as I can possibly manage. I am currently writing another wee guide which will go online soon at my WUGS Facebook page to help those who wish to help themselves. This is the Year of the Gathering in Ireland as well as Derry/Londonderry City of Culture year and I am not convinced that sufficient emphasis has been given to genealogy in the plans for either of these events. And don't tell me that visitors from the diaspora will not be interested in knowing where their folks originated. What we do not need is yet another excuse for organizers to tell anyone from abroad that we just do not have the sources to help them. Just thought I would have that wee whinge in good old Irish fashion! Regards, Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou Nivard and Len for your help regarding Rev William Chartres and St Columba's church. There is an interesting description of the church's history on the database of listed buildings in Northern Ireland. Cheers Pat On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:51 AM, <[email protected]>wrote: > > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the > CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these > messages, or if you wish to search or browse the archives, or if you wish > to unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links > and instructions. See http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our associated web > site. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Rev. William Chartres (Pat H) > 2. Re: Rev. William Chartres (Nivard Ovington) > 3. A Short History of Laggan Redshanks...... (Jim McKane) > 4. Re: Rev. William Chartres (Len Swindley) > 5. 1926 Census (Richard Evans-GRAPHICS) > 6. Re: McCusker Family (TyroneIre) > 7. Re: McCusker Family (Margaret Donnelly) > 8. Re: 1926 Census ([email protected]) > 9. Re: 1926 Census (Nivard Ovington) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:25:13 +1000 > From: Pat H <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Rev. William Chartres > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <CAO7-Kqiq3DeXYJeQGmNbPMUZYyAKM9Wepd+2= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have a certificate showing a marriage was performed in 1868 by Rev > William Chartres at the Parish Church in Omagh, Parish of Drumragh > "according to the rites and ceremonies of the United Church of England and > Ireland." > > I thought the church may have been St Columba's Church of Ireland. Would > anyone be able to confirm this. Thankyou. > > Pat > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:31:15 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Rev. William Chartres > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Pat > > From the Clergy List 1897 > > Chartres, Wm. B.A. T.C.D.; d 1857, p 1858 (Meath); cur.ofNavan,co.Meath > 1857-9 ; Drumragh,Omagh, Co.Tyrone1864-76; inc.1877-86 > > A quick google found one or two researching this man and may be able to > help you in more detail with the various Parishes he was at > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 11/06/2013 08:25, Pat H wrote: > > I have a certificate showing a marriage was performed in 1868 by Rev > > William Chartres at the Parish Church in Omagh, Parish of Drumragh > > "according to the rites and ceremonies of the United Church of England > and > > Ireland." > > > > I thought the church may have been St Columba's Church of Ireland. Would > > anyone be able to confirm this. Thankyou. > > > > Pat > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:30:56 -0400 > From: Jim McKane <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] A Short History of Laggan Redshanks...... > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <CAHO_rcAec5qzUSbRVBVYGfqo= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ....... is an Ebook in our store. > > The book now includes a complete transcription of the *1630 Portlough > Percinct Muster Rolls.* > > A complete surname list of the Muster Roll is now available at - > > http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estore/index.php?maincat_id=1 > > Jim > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:05:10 +1000 > From: "Len Swindley" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Rev. William Chartres > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Pat, > > I am able to confirm that Drumragh Parish Church (Church of Ireland), > Omagh is dedicated to St. Columba. Rev. William Chartres was curate of > Drumragh 1859-70 and rector of the parish 1875-93 - taken from "Derry > Clergy and Parishes" - Canon James B. Leslie (1937). > > Trust this is useful, > > Len Swindley, > Melbourne, Australia > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 17:56:03 +0000 > From: Richard Evans-GRAPHICS <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] 1926 Census > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > < > [email protected]ore.bbc.co.uk > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bad news - Census lost: Historic 1926 NI records may be destroyed > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22848416 > > Unbelievable. Not sure when the next census is. > > > > > ---------------------------- > > http://www.bbc.co.uk > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. > Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in > reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. > Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > --------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:24:35 -0400 > From: TyroneIre <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] McCusker Family > To: Margaret Donnelly <[email protected]>, CTI > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Margaret, hello again. I checked the death notice and the death > certificate as well. Have you tried calling Old Cathedral cemetery to see > who else is buried in the grave? John would likely be buried there which > would give you a lead on his post-1940 death certificate. You might also > find other family members buried which could help determine any connection > to your people. > > - - - - - > Clare L. > Ass't List Admin. > > On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:43 PM, "Margaret Donnelly" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Thanks everyone for your prompt answers about Mary Anne McCusker. > > Ballynahaye does seem to be a good fit. > > > > I did find the death of Mary Hagan McCusker, registered 1890 in > Dungannon. I > > found a helpful site for exchange of Irish BMD: > > http://vicki.thauvin.net/chance/ireland/bmd/ I believe Charles McCusker, > > Mary Anne's father, died 1908. > > > > I am actually chasing the McGarrity family, as my GGM was a McGarrity > from > > Inishatieve. Her siblings have been difficult to trace, so I'm looking at > > families of possible/probable spouses to triangulate my search. Mary Anne > > McCusker was married to John McGarrity, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in > > 1889. My GGM had a brother John, born 1866, and the ages shown on the > census > > for Mary Anne and John are a good fit. No proof yet - don't have a date > of > > death or death certificate for John McGarrity yet. He was still living in > > 1940. > > > > Oral history tells me that all the siblings of my GGM came to the US. > Some > > were reported in Philadelphia in the 1890s and some first cousins were > known > > to be in Philadelphia. My GGM was in NYC in the 1880s and early 1890s, > then > > in New Jersey. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Margaret > > > > Snip Mary Anne McCusker obituary Bllynegby > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:37:14 -0400 > From: "Margaret Donnelly" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] McCusker Family > To: "'TyroneIre'" <[email protected]>, "'CTI'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Clare, > > I have not gotten as far as calling Old Cathedral yet. I know there is a > premature infant, Michael, in the same plot. I'm reviewing the indices of > Philadelphia deaths, and I believe that John died in 1952. > > There were 2 branches of my McGarrity family in Philadelphia beginning > about > 1885 - (1) the siblings of my GGM, children of Michael McGarrity and Sarah > Hughes; and (2) a set of 1st cousins, the children of John McGarrity, > Michael's oldest brother, and Catherine Bigley. With Irish naming > conventions, many of the forenames are repeated in both sets. > > > Thanks, > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: TyroneIre [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, 11 June, 2013 2:25 PM > To: Margaret Donnelly; CTI > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] McCusker Family > > Margaret, hello again. I checked the death notice and the death certificate > as well. Have you tried calling Old Cathedral cemetery to see who else is > buried in the grave? John would likely be buried there which would give you > a lead on his post-1940 death certificate. You might also find other > family > members buried which could help determine any connection to your people. > > - - - - - > Clare L. > Ass't List Admin. > > On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:43 PM, "Margaret Donnelly" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Thanks everyone for your prompt answers about Mary Anne McCusker. > > Ballynahaye does seem to be a good fit. > > > > I did find the death of Mary Hagan McCusker, registered 1890 in > > Dungannon. I found a helpful site for exchange of Irish BMD: > > http://vicki.thauvin.net/chance/ireland/bmd/ I believe Charles > > McCusker, Mary Anne's father, died 1908. > > > > I am actually chasing the McGarrity family, as my GGM was a McGarrity > > from Inishatieve. Her siblings have been difficult to trace, so I'm > > looking at families of possible/probable spouses to triangulate my > > search. Mary Anne McCusker was married to John McGarrity, in > > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, in 1889. My GGM had a brother John, born > > 1866, and the ages shown on the census for Mary Anne and John are a > > good fit. No proof yet - don't have a date of death or death > > certificate for John McGarrity yet. He was still living in 1940. > > > > Oral history tells me that all the siblings of my GGM came to the US. > > Some were reported in Philadelphia in the 1890s and some first cousins > > were known to be in Philadelphia. My GGM was in NYC in the 1880s and > > early 1890s, then in New Jersey. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Margaret > > > > Snip Mary Anne McCusker obituary Bllynegby > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:35:28 +0100 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] 1926 Census > To: "'Richard Evans-GRAPHICS'" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Yes, but instead of bemoaning our loss and whinging, Irish as victim > fashion, about our political class, let's do something positive and > campaign > for the early release of the 1931 census. If the Americans can do 1940, > what do we in Ireland have to fear about 1931? > > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard > Evans-GRAPHICS > Sent: 11 June 2013 18:56 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CoTyIre] 1926 Census > > Bad news - Census lost: Historic 1926 NI records may be destroyed > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22848416 > > Unbelievable. Not sure when the next census is. > > > > > ---------------------------- > > http://www.bbc.co.uk > This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal > views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. > If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. > Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance > on it and notify the sender immediately. > Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. > Further communication will signify your consent to this. > > --------------------- > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:50:55 +0100 > From: Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] 1926 Census > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Boyd > > As you are probably aware the 1931 census for England and Wales was > destroyed in WW2 in a fire > > And there was no 1941 census due to the war > > I read that the 1931 census for Northern Ireland was not carried out as > one had been taken in 1926, is that the case do you know ? > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 11/06/2013 20:35, [email protected] wrote: > > Yes, but instead of bemoaning our loss and whinging, Irish as victim > > fashion, about our political class, let's do something positive and > campaign > > for the early release of the 1931 census. If the Americans can do 1940, > > what do we in Ireland have to fear about 1931? > > > > > > Boyd Gray > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 154 > *********************************************** >

Hello Pat, I am able to confirm that Drumragh Parish Church (Church of Ireland), Omagh is dedicated to St. Columba. Rev. William Chartres was curate of Drumragh 1859-70 and rector of the parish 1875-93 - taken from "Derry Clergy and Parishes" - Canon James B. Leslie (1937). Trust this is useful, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

It does indeed But as you rightly say, we should look on the bright side, Australia had virtually no census kept at all and as we enter the more modern era we have directories, electoral rolls and various other sources, so whilst the census would be nice research is not entirely impossible In England and Wales there was a 1939 National identity registration exercise, its available for a fairly hefty fee at present and information is limited when compared to the census but still its better than nothing Do you know if that was carried through in Ireland? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/06/2013 20:54, [email protected] wrote: > No, I had no idea, Nirvard. > > It goes from tragedy to farce. > > Boyd Gray

No, I had no idea, Nirvard. It goes from tragedy to farce. Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 11 June 2013 20:51 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] 1926 Census Hi Boyd As you are probably aware the 1931 census for England and Wales was destroyed in WW2 in a fire And there was no 1941 census due to the war I read that the 1931 census for Northern Ireland was not carried out as one had been taken in 1926, is that the case do you know ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/06/2013 20:35, [email protected] wrote: > Yes, but instead of bemoaning our loss and whinging, Irish as victim > fashion, about our political class, let's do something positive and campaign > for the early release of the 1931 census. If the Americans can do 1940, > what do we in Ireland have to fear about 1931? > > > Boyd Gray ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Boyd As you are probably aware the 1931 census for England and Wales was destroyed in WW2 in a fire And there was no 1941 census due to the war I read that the 1931 census for Northern Ireland was not carried out as one had been taken in 1926, is that the case do you know ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/06/2013 20:35, [email protected] wrote: > Yes, but instead of bemoaning our loss and whinging, Irish as victim > fashion, about our political class, let's do something positive and campaign > for the early release of the 1931 census. If the Americans can do 1940, > what do we in Ireland have to fear about 1931? > > > Boyd Gray

Yes, but instead of bemoaning our loss and whinging, Irish as victim fashion, about our political class, let's do something positive and campaign for the early release of the 1931 census. If the Americans can do 1940, what do we in Ireland have to fear about 1931? Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Evans-GRAPHICS Sent: 11 June 2013 18:56 To: [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] 1926 Census Bad news - Census lost: Historic 1926 NI records may be destroyed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22848416 Unbelievable. Not sure when the next census is. ---------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. --------------------- ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bad news - Census lost: Historic 1926 NI records may be destroyed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22848416 Unbelievable. Not sure when the next census is. ---------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. ---------------------

I have a certificate showing a marriage was performed in 1868 by Rev William Chartres at the Parish Church in Omagh, Parish of Drumragh "according to the rites and ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland." I thought the church may have been St Columba's Church of Ireland. Would anyone be able to confirm this. Thankyou. Pat

It could be even worse. While the U.S. has pretty good census records, only one of the eight States where I have research experience required birth or death records prior to the last 15-35 years of the 19th century. I'm told, in fact, that most States did not begin keeping such records until about 1890-1900. If you are fortunate enough to know of a church affiliation, you might ... only might ... find church registers of births and deaths for the early to mid 19th century. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:05 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] 1926 Census It does indeed But as you rightly say, we should look on the bright side, Australia had virtually no census kept at all and as we enter the more modern era we have directories, electoral rolls and various other sources, so whilst the census would be nice research is not entirely impossible In England and Wales there was a 1939 National identity registration exercise, its available for a fairly hefty fee at present and information is limited when compared to the census but still its better than nothing Do you know if that was carried through in Ireland? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/06/2013 20:54, [email protected] wrote: > No, I had no idea, Nirvard. > > It goes from tragedy to farce. > > Boyd Gray ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The BBC news item mentions a 1937 census. A quick Google search came up with a blog mention of "the 1937 census for Northern Ireland has survived and is secure (though currently closed to access), and the 1939 National Register for Northern Ireland is currently available from PRONI, accessible via a Freedom of Information Act." Margaret -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Evans-GRAPHICS Sent: Tuesday, 11 June, 2013 1:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] 1926 Census Bad news - Census lost: Historic 1926 NI records may be destroyed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22848416 Unbelievable. Not sure when the next census is. ---------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. --------------------- ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message