Hello Barbara, Have resent my email. Looking forward to hearing from you. Kind regards Alma Willis -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Holt Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 1:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] WILLIS FAMILY I have been delighted to receive three emails in response to mine. Unfortunately, through being a clumsy computer operator, after replying to the first two, I accidentally deleted the third one - from Alma Willis of Queensland in which she told me her husband was a relative of mine! I was trying to delete my first email from hers before replying to it, but I did things in the wrong order, and so lost the lot. Could you please, Alma, send me a copy of your email again? I didn't make a copy of your address but I have prepared a full page of what I know about the Cotter-Willis children to send you. Apologies to everyone! Barbara Holt ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been delighted to receive three emails in response to mine. Unfortunately, through being a clumsy computer operator, after replying to the first two, I accidentally deleted the third one - from Alma Willis of Queensland in which she told me her husband was a relative of mine! I was trying to delete my first email from hers before replying to it, but I did things in the wrong order, and so lost the lot. Could you please, Alma, send me a copy of your email again? I didn't make a copy of your address but I have prepared a full page of what I know about the Cotter-Willis children to send you. Apologies to everyone! Barbara Holt

thanks to Nivard for the reply. I cant seem to reply personally to your mails and just get an error reading. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Hi Eamonn Its not that unusual in the civil registration indexes but less so in Parish registers, I would say the chances of a child not being given a name at baptism is remote, burials certainly I will add a third possibility to your list The clerk or minister filling in the Parish register would know in advance what the event would be but may not have known the forename(s) so has filled in the details he knew until the event and has omitted to finish the job off Many events were not entered directly in the register but were entered or completed later Off the back of the proverbial fag packet as it were Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/07/2013 13:57, [email protected] wrote: > > Folks, > > during my research odyssey I found what might be a baptism record for 1858 in the clogher parish which had all the details apart from the child's first name. > > I have a couple of questions on that which some of ye might have some wisdom on. > > firstly and most obviously why might that be the case. my thinking is leading me to 2 possibilities. a) they hadn't thought of a name at the time or b) the child might not be expected to live. > > if it is the latter I still cant explain why they would not name him/her. if it is the former is there anyway of confirming what the later appointed name would have been. > > I think I will ask for a box of patience next Christmas ! > > Eamonn

Folks, during my research odyssey I found what might be a baptism record for 1858 in the clogher parish which had all the details apart from the child's first name. I have a couple of questions on that which some of ye might have some wisdom on. firstly and most obviously why might that be the case. my thinking is leading me to 2 possibilities. a) they hadn't thought of a name at the time or b) the child might not be expected to live. if it is the latter I still cant explain why they would not name him/her. if it is the former is there anyway of confirming what the later appointed name would have been. I think I will ask for a box of patience next Christmas ! Eamonn ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Hearing your story is one of the real pleasures in doing family history - thank you for sharing it. Elizabeth Wright Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Holt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 7:11 AM Subject: [CoTyIre] Michael Burns' Songs > Fascinating to read about Irish immigrants and others in England in > these songs. They reminded me of an overnight ferry trip I made in > 1961/62 from Belfast to Liverpool (I think it was) when I sat in a > lounge with many Irish men returning to their jobs in England, after > Xmas in Ireland with their families. As we tried to sleep sitting up, > one of the seated men sang a long sad song of many verses about a blind > Irish girl in a village. Everyone listened with their eyes closed and > when he had finished , no-one clapped which I think showed the singer > had truly mirrored the men's feelings. > > One of the men in Michael's songs is named COTTRELL, a surname found in > my Irish ancestry of Cork. I read it comes from the French surname > COQUEREL (meaning rooster). As I have discovered good number of my > Irish ancestors were originally Huguenots (some of whom had become > Catholics by the late 1700's), that made sense to me. So Michael's > "Renaissance" man had perhaps come a long way to England, maybe via > Ireland, maybe not. > > My Tyrone ancestry consists of COTTINS /COTTONS from Killyman Parish, > thought to be of Huguenot ancestry. If anyone is interested in that > name in Tyrone (also appearing as COULTEN, COULTER, COUTER, COTTER in > different parts of Tyrone or in the name WILLIS (Scottish origin), also > in Killyman, please contact me. I am enormously grateful to the > website accompanying this list for having my COTTER/WILLIS marriage of > 1794 on it, as I had looked for it at PRONI twice on trips to Ireland. > > Barbara Holt, New Zealand > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara Have you looked in your Trash folder ? (or recycle bin or whatever its called on your system) Unless you have cleared it since deleting the mail, it should still be there, if it is either just reply from it or move it back to your inbox Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/07/2013 04:50, Barbara Holt wrote: > I have been delighted to receive three emails in response to mine. > Unfortunately, through being a clumsy computer operator, after replying > to the first two, I accidentally deleted the third one - from Alma > Willis of Queensland in which she told me her husband was a relative of > mine! I was trying to delete my first email from hers before replying > to it, but I did things in the wrong order, and so lost the lot. > > Could you please, Alma, send me a copy of your email again? I didn't > make a copy of your address but I have prepared a full page of what I > know about the Cotter-Willis children to send you. > > Apologies to everyone! > > Barbara Holt

Fascinating to read about Irish immigrants and others in England in these songs. They reminded me of an overnight ferry trip I made in 1961/62 from Belfast to Liverpool (I think it was) when I sat in a lounge with many Irish men returning to their jobs in England, after Xmas in Ireland with their families. As we tried to sleep sitting up, one of the seated men sang a long sad song of many verses about a blind Irish girl in a village. Everyone listened with their eyes closed and when he had finished , no-one clapped which I think showed the singer had truly mirrored the men's feelings. One of the men in Michael's songs is named COTTRELL, a surname found in my Irish ancestry of Cork. I read it comes from the French surname COQUEREL (meaning rooster). As I have discovered good number of my Irish ancestors were originally Huguenots (some of whom had become Catholics by the late 1700's), that made sense to me. So Michael's "Renaissance" man had perhaps come a long way to England, maybe via Ireland, maybe not. My Tyrone ancestry consists of COTTINS /COTTONS from Killyman Parish, thought to be of Huguenot ancestry. If anyone is interested in that name in Tyrone (also appearing as COULTEN, COULTER, COUTER, COTTER in different parts of Tyrone or in the name WILLIS (Scottish origin), also in Killyman, please contact me. I am enormously grateful to the website accompanying this list for having my COTTER/WILLIS marriage of 1794 on it, as I had looked for it at PRONI twice on trips to Ireland. Barbara Holt, New Zealand

http://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/do-not-restrict-genealogical-research ======================================== Message Received: Jul 06 2013, 03:27 PM From: "Mike Kelly" To: "Marilynn" , Cc: Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH I would appreciate it someone would resend the link for the petition. Thanks. Regards, Michael Kelly Emporium, Cameron County, Pennsylvania, United States of America -----Original Message----- From: Marilynn Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 7:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH Following the suggestions of others, I used the postal code of the US Embassy in London. 24 Grosvenor Square London, W1A 2LQ United Kingdom Worked for me. ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would appreciate it someone would resend the link for the petition. Thanks. Regards, Michael Kelly Emporium, Cameron County, Pennsylvania, United States of America -----Original Message----- From: Marilynn Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 7:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH Following the suggestions of others, I used the postal code of the US Embassy in London. 24 Grosvenor Square London, W1A 2LQ United Kingdom Worked for me. ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Following the suggestions of others, I used the postal code of the US Embassy in London. 24 Grosvenor Square London, W1A 2LQ United Kingdom Worked for me.

Thomas. You had Margaret's solution at the foot of this reply of yours. Try her suggestion. In your case I'd suggest googling to discover the postcode in London of the US Embassy, and then use that postcode in your petition details. I followed Margaret's advice to use the Oz High Commission's postcode in London, and it was accepted. Yay! Good onya Margaret! rofl. (Oh, and in case you might wonder why we use a High Commission instead of an Embassy: it is because member countries of the British Commonwealth of Nations -- or whatever its more modern updated name might be -- have a High Commission in each others' country instead of an Embassy. There is probably a lot more to it than that, but that is the extent of my limited knowledge. haha.) Good luck. ray in oz On 05/07/2013, at 9:44 PM, Thomas Bryant <[email protected]> wrote: Will not accept USA zip code Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2013, at 2:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > 1. Re: DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH (Barry Drelincourt) > 2. DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH (Margaret Barnes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:17:08 +0200 (CEST) > From: Barry Drelincourt <[email protected]> > > Apologies to all those non UK researchers who have found that it is not possible to sign the on-line petition unless you have a UK postcode. > > I contacted the website responsible for the on-line petition and below is a copy of their reply. > > > > > Hi Barry, > > Thanks for getting in touch. Unfortunately, at the moment we can only take > names from people based in the UK. This is because the software that we use > for our online actions relies in part on the UK postcode database to ensure > that each electronic signature comes from an individual. > > However, you obviously know various people across Europe who feel strongly > about this issue. Perhaps they could assist you by spreading the word about > the campaign online, by posting about it on their Facebook, Twitter or any > other social media they might use? > > They could also talk to or email any UK-based friends or family to tell > them about the campaign and encourage them to get involved with 38 Degrees > by going to www.38degrees.org.uk > . > > Thanks for being involved, > > Ross and the 38 Degrees team > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:00:29 +1000 > From: Margaret Barnes <[email protected]> > > I got over this problem by using the postcode of the Australian High Commissioner in London (which is WC2B 4LA). > My submission to the petition worked. > Margaret in Oz.

In reply to: Re: DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH - I also was frustrated by the petition not taking a US postal code so I just googled Strabane, Ireland and then looked for a pizza sop and used the postal code for the first one that came up. Hey, everything else was me! My vote should still count! On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 12:01 AM, <[email protected]>wrote: > > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the > CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these > messages, or if you wish to search or browse the archives, or if you wish > to unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links > and instructions. See http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our associated web > site. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH (Barry Drelincourt) > 2. DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH (Margaret Barnes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:17:08 +0200 (CEST) > From: Barry Drelincourt <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Apologies to all those non UK researchers who have found that it is not > possible to sign the on-line petition unless you have a UK postcode. > > I contacted the website responsible for the on-line petition and below is > a copy of their reply. > > > > > Hi Barry, > > Thanks for getting in touch. Unfortunately, at the moment we can only take > names from people based in the UK. This is because the software that we use > for our online actions relies in part on the UK postcode database to ensure > that each electronic signature comes from an individual. > > However, you obviously know various people across Europe who feel strongly > about this issue. Perhaps they could assist you by spreading the word about > the campaign online, by posting about it on their Facebook, Twitter or any > other social media they might use? > > They could also talk to or email any UK-based friends or family to tell > them about the campaign and encourage them to get involved with 38 Degrees > by going to www.38degrees.org.uk > . > > Thanks for being involved, > > Ross and the 38 Degrees team > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:00:29 +1000 > From: Margaret Barnes <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > To: Barry Drelincourt <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I got over this problem by using the postcode of the Australian High > Commissioner in London (which is WC2B 4LA). > My submission to the petition worked. > Margaret in Oz. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 176 > *********************************************** >

Hi Folks, One of the jewels of Irish genealogical research is the Abercorn Papers held at PRONI in Belfast. They cover the lands of the Marquis of Abercorn in parts of West Tyrone and East Donegal. They include rent rolls, leases and maps of townlands with names of the landholders going back as far as the 1770s in some cases and plenty in those crucial and sparse first three decades of the 19th century. Luckily the good folks at the LDS have filmed these and made them available to the world for just the cost of postage. I have five such films at my local FHC right now and am just about to pay to have them retained there permanently. I shall give full details later. In the meantime, have a look at this link which shows some of these films held at SLC. They are catalogued by Barony. If you want to know which Barony your townland is in, use the GV at askaboutireland to check. BUT, a word of warning. For reasons well beyond my ken, some townlands that should be there are not there, such as Ballyfatten in the Barony of Strabane Lower - much to my chagrin. On the other hand, I found the entire leaseholders for the town of Strabane itself in one of the films, which I was certainly not expecting! https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/452903 Have fun! Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy

I got over this problem by using the postcode of the Australian High Commissioner in London (which is WC2B 4LA). My submission to the petition worked. Margaret in Oz.

Got it done! Thanks. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2013, at 7:25 AM, ray15 <[email protected]> wrote: > Thomas. > > You had Margaret's solution at the foot of this reply of yours. > Try her suggestion. > In your case I'd suggest googling to discover the postcode in London of the US Embassy, and then use that postcode in your petition details. > > I followed Margaret's advice to use the Oz High Commission's postcode in London, and it was accepted. Yay! Good onya Margaret! rofl. > > (Oh, and in case you might wonder why we use a High Commission instead of an Embassy: it is because member countries of the British Commonwealth of Nations -- or whatever its more modern updated name might be -- have a High Commission in each others' country instead of an Embassy. There is probably a lot more to it than that, but that is the extent of my limited knowledge. haha.) > > > Good luck. > ray in oz > > On 05/07/2013, at 9:44 PM, Thomas Bryant <[email protected]> wrote: > > Will not accept USA zip code > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 5, 2013, at 2:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> 1. Re: DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH (Barry Drelincourt) >> 2. DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH (Margaret Barnes) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:17:08 +0200 (CEST) >> From: Barry Drelincourt <[email protected]> >> >> Apologies to all those non UK researchers who have found that it is not possible to sign the on-line petition unless you have a UK postcode. >> >> I contacted the website responsible for the on-line petition and below is a copy of their reply. >> >> >> >> >> Hi Barry, >> >> Thanks for getting in touch. Unfortunately, at the moment we can only take >> names from people based in the UK. This is because the software that we use >> for our online actions relies in part on the UK postcode database to ensure >> that each electronic signature comes from an individual. >> >> However, you obviously know various people across Europe who feel strongly >> about this issue. Perhaps they could assist you by spreading the word about >> the campaign online, by posting about it on their Facebook, Twitter or any >> other social media they might use? >> >> They could also talk to or email any UK-based friends or family to tell >> them about the campaign and encourage them to get involved with 38 Degrees >> by going to www.38degrees.org.uk >> . >> >> Thanks for being involved, >> >> Ross and the 38 Degrees team >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:00:29 +1000 >> From: Margaret Barnes <[email protected]> >> >> I got over this problem by using the postcode of the Australian High Commissioner in London (which is WC2B 4LA). >> My submission to the petition worked. >> Margaret in Oz. > >

Will not accept USA zip code Sent from my iPhone On Jul 5, 2013, at 2:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or if you wish to search or browse the archives, or if you wish to unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links and instructions. See http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our associated web site. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH (Barry Drelincourt) > 2. DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH (Margaret Barnes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 12:17:08 +0200 (CEST) > From: Barry Drelincourt <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Apologies to all those non UK researchers who have found that it is not possible to sign the on-line petition unless you have a UK postcode. > > I contacted the website responsible for the on-line petition and below is a copy of their reply. > > > > > Hi Barry, > > Thanks for getting in touch. Unfortunately, at the moment we can only take > names from people based in the UK. This is because the software that we use > for our online actions relies in part on the UK postcode database to ensure > that each electronic signature comes from an individual. > > However, you obviously know various people across Europe who feel strongly > about this issue. Perhaps they could assist you by spreading the word about > the campaign online, by posting about it on their Facebook, Twitter or any > other social media they might use? > > They could also talk to or email any UK-based friends or family to tell > them about the campaign and encourage them to get involved with 38 Degrees > by going to www.38degrees.org.uk > . > > Thanks for being involved, > > Ross and the 38 Degrees team > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 09:00:29 +1000 > From: Margaret Barnes <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] DO NOT RESTRICT GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH > To: Barry Drelincourt <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I got over this problem by using the postcode of the Australian High Commissioner in London (which is WC2B 4LA). > My submission to the petition worked. > Margaret in Oz. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 176 > ***********************************************

Apologies to all those non UK researchers who have found that it is not possible to sign the on-line petition unless you have a UK postcode. I contacted the website responsible for the on-line petition and below is a copy of their reply. Hi Barry, Thanks for getting in touch. Unfortunately, at the moment we can only take names from people based in the UK. This is because the software that we use for our online actions relies in part on the UK postcode database to ensure that each electronic signature comes from an individual. However, you obviously know various people across Europe who feel strongly about this issue. Perhaps they could assist you by spreading the word about the campaign online, by posting about it on their Facebook, Twitter or any other social media they might use? They could also talk to or email any UK-based friends or family to tell them about the campaign and encourage them to get involved with 38 Degrees by going to www.38degrees.org.uk . Thanks for being involved, Ross and the 38 Degrees team

Saw this post of Facebook from Cyndi's List: From the California Genealogical Society and Library: "Interested in buying books On family trees, old vital records, and county histories? We have 100+ items available on eBay!" Here's a TinyURL followed by the actual link: http://tinyurl.com/otaw863 http://www.ebay.com/sch/cgsbooks4sale/m html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p3686 Ally

> > Last weekend I attended an Australian Irish Gathering conducted by the Society of Australian Genealogists. > Amongst the information and tips during the day I picked up the tip that any Australian resident can access 19th Century British and Irish newspapers online through the National Library of Australia. I also use my library membership to access JSTOR and the Clogher Record. I haven't tried the newspapers myself yet. > > Margaret in Oz. > > >