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*Tyrone* Assizes, March 1825<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/criminals/assizesMar1825.html> *Donacavey* Parish (including Fintona) Death Announcements 1787-1869<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donacavey.html>

There is a connection to Glasgow in the Bloomer family, but it has nothing to do with why I'm here, which is professional, rather than genealogical :) I will certainly ask my aunt for any details she can recall Cheers On 11 Jul 2013, at 08:10, Barry Drelincourt <[email protected]> wrote: > Gavin > > Any recollections that your aunt has would be more than welcome. > > In particular, there seems to be a connection with the DELACOURTs of Glasgow. I have a few examples of DRILLINGCOURTs (Another derivative of the name) staying > with the DELACOURTs in Glasgow. > > Coincidental that you moved from Belfast to Glasgow? > > Thanks for anything you can provide. > > Barry > > ======================================== > Message Received: Jul 10 2013, 10:50 PM > From: "Gavin Bloomer" > To: "Barry Drelincourt" , [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Bloomer Family > > It sure does. Incidentally my aunt remembers the Drelincourt family. > > On 10 Jul 2013, at 21:40, Barry Drelincourt wrote: > >> Those street names are very familiar and suggest a stronger link with the Drelincourts. >> >> my g grandfather had a shop in Sandy Row. See attached. >> >> Barry >> >> ======================================== >> Message Received: Jul 10 2013, 08:56 PM >> From: "Gavin Bloomer" >> To: "[email protected]" >> Cc: >> Subject: [CoTyIre] Bloomer Family >> >> Hi, >> I am still trying to trace anyone called Bloomer who cam from Caledon or Tynan to Belfast, and settled in the Sandy Row area (Eureka Street, Matilda Street etc.) >> Any help greatly appreciated! >> Thanks, >> Gavin Bloomer >> ------------- >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > >

Hello All. Well with so much chatter on this topic, and in such august company, it is hard for me to keep quiet. tee hee. I have at least 2 Australian Death Certificates, where at the point where it asked for Parent Names -- the Informant provided his own parents' names, and not the names of the parents of the deceased. In one case a son of the deceased did this, and in the other case a grandson or nephew did this. Luckily we had plenty of other documentation which proved who the deceased and their parents were etc, to be able to immediately pick what the Informant had done. Oh dear: so many pitfalls! At times one wonders why we persevere so perversely (tee hee) with this addictive hobby! rofl. ray in oz (p.s . And I just HAD to change the Subject line to something more meaningful than Digest. ha ha.) On 11/07/2013, at 1:15 PM, "Loretta Layman" <[email protected]> wrote: In certain periods of history when epidemics nearly wiped out some families, an early death might also result in wrong information on a death certificate. My maternal grandmother died of tuberculosis at the age of 34, having already lost both parents, all four grandparents, all her siblings except the brother away at sea, and her husband to either tuberculosis or typhoid. She left only three daughters ages 5-14, and the 14-year-old was the informant for her death certificate. Some of the information is correct, and other information is not. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Margaret Donnelly In the USA, we are also taught to rely more on earlier/earliest records. Mom or Dad reports the birth details - they were there! On death records, the informant is less likely to have first-hand knowledge, especially for someone who has had a long life. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of ctrewby Here in NZ the most knowledgeable/experienced genealogists always tell us to give more weight to a marriage certificate about the parties as to get one of those you needed to be there with your spouse etc and were more likely, normally, to give your own names and details correctly. I am not delving into the times where details were incorrect deliberately or when those recording misheard or when it has been transcribed incorrectly later. Many chances for records to end up oddly. On death the notice of death is by an informant who may or may not be a family member, sometimes could be neighbour. Younger members of the family acting as informants may have not listened or misheard when mum or dad was talking of their parents and as you say wrote what they thought. No malice usually just a lack of knowledge. If you can find prior and later documentation of the names on the marriage certificates (and this you may be able to get this by tracking brothers and sisters marriages) then I would be inclined to enter the death record but to note it that they may have the names wrong. If the death informants are not family then that could explain discrepancies and I would note that. Cathy ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > I have found discrepancies as well. We were going on parents' > names from a death certificate. Finally found a copy of a marriage application > and the last name of the mother was not the same. I am positive that I > have the correct records for both. I wondered if when the death certificate > was filled out they told the name they "thought" was correct at the > time, even if inaccurate. I began to search both names to see > if I could get anywhere. Haven't yet, but will keep trying. > > Brian Adams > > [email protected] > > ------------------------------ > Message: 2 > > From: "Margaret Donnelly" <[7][email protected]> > > I can't speak specifically for Irish marriage certificates, but I > can speak generally for BMD records. I have found MANY errors. > Holland instead Holleran for a maiden name on a baptismal record is a simple one - > the priest probably mis-heard or went from memory. On my grand aunt's > death certificate, the given name of her father is correct, but the > surname is completely wrong. … > Margaret > > ------------- > From: <[15][email protected]> > > Pat, … > These discrepancies may be accounted for by people giving different info > or people recording that info incorrectly on one occasion. > Check RootsIreland to see it there is also a church record. > And incidentally, if you use RootsIreland judiciously, you should > be able to check the name of the fathers of the bride and the groom before you > buy the cert, this ensuring you have the right one before shelling out your > three or four euros. > Boyd Gray ------------------------------------------------------ > Message Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 > From: Pat H <[4][email protected]> > > I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which > I hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the > father of the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as > the groom. > I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a > witness and the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. > There is one mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out > and a new name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes > me wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. > I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage > certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right > certificate or not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. > Cheers > Pat

Hi Boyd Sorry if I have confused you with my lack of information. The family was from Tyrone but Joseph's two older brothers migrated to Australia. The eldest, George, is my great grandfather so I am trying to find out what happened to his brothers and sister in Ireland. If Joseph had the same sense of adventure as his older brothers, he may have left Ireland (or County Tyrone) as well. So I can't assume he married in Tyrone. The marriage of Lizzie Black to Joseph McMaster is the most likely possibility but I think I will put it in the "maybe" category for the time being. I was probably lucky that, of the half dozen certificates I have applied for, this marriage certificate is the only one I am doubtful about. Thanks for your help and to everyone else who has offered suggestions. Cheers Pat

Here in NZ the most knowledgeable/experienced genealogists always tell us to give more weight to a marriage certificate about the parties as to get one of those you needed to be there with your spouse etc and were more likely, normally, to give your own names and details correctly. I am not delving into the times where details were incorrect deliberately or when those recording misheard or when it has been transcribed incorrectly later. Many chances for records to end up oddly. On death the notice of death is by an informant who may or may not be a family member, sometimes could be neighbour. Younger members of the family acting as informants may have not listened or misheard when mum or dad was talking of their parents and as you say wrote what they thought. No malice usually just a lack of knowledge. If you can find prior and later documentation of the names on the marriage certificates (and this you may be able to get this by tracking brothers and sisters marriages) then I would be inclined to enter the death record but to note it that they may have the names wrong. If the death informants are not family then that could explain discrepancies and I would note that. Cathy ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > I have found discrepancies as well. We were going on > parents' names from a > death certificate. Finally found a copy of a marriage > application and the > last name of the mother was not the same. I am > positive that I have the > correct records for both. I wondered if when the death > certificate was > filled out they told the name they "thought" was > correct at the time, even > if inaccurate. I began to search both names to see > if I could get > anywhere. Haven't yet, but will keep trying. > > Brian Adams > > [email protected] > > > On 07/10/13, [email protected] > wrote: > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to > the CoTyroneIreland-D > mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these > messages, or if you > wish to search or browse the archives, or if you wish > to unsubscribe from > digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see > > [1]http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIrelan > d.htmlforlinks > and instructions. See [2]http://cotyroneireland.com/ > for our associated web > site. > Today's Topics: > 1. Marriage Records (Pat H) > 2. Re: Marriage Records (Margaret Donnelly) > 3. Re: Marriage Records ([3][email protected]) > 4. Marriage Records (Pat H) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:42:08 +1000 > From: Pat H <[4][email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: [5][email protected] > Message-ID: > > <CAO7-Kqh_B7aZ9=-QZyhNqdM+wyvB-R[6][email protected] > il.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage > in 1883 which I > hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the > name of the father of > the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the > same name as the groom. > I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the > name of a witness and > the location of the wedding suggest this could be my > relative. There is one > mistake in the first name of a witness which has been > crossed out and a new > name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots > which makes me > wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit > careless. > I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors > on marriage > certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the > right certificate or > not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name > being incorrect. > Cheers > Pat > ------------------------------ > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 07:14:51 -0400 > From: "Margaret Donnelly" <[7][email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: "'Pat H'" <[8][email protected]>, > <[9][email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Pat, > I can't speak specifically for Irish marriage > certificates, but I can speak > generally for BMD records. I have found MANY errors. > Holland instead > Holleran for a maiden name on a baptismal record is a > simple one - the > priest probably mis-heard or went from memory. On my > grand aunt's death > certificate, the given name of her father is correct, > but the surname is > completely wrong. > Happy searching! > Margaret > -----Original Message----- > From: cot[10][email protected] > [[11]mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Pat H > Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 3:42 AM > To: [12][email protected] > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage > in 1883 which I hoped > would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of > the father of the > groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same > name as the groom. > I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the > name of a witness and > the location of the wedding suggest this could be my > relative. There is one > mistake in the first name of a witness which has been > crossed out and a new > name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots > which makes me > wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit > careless. > I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors > on marriage > certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the > right certificate or > not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name > being incorrect. > Cheers > Pat > ------------- > Our community web-site: [13]http://cotyroneireland.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COT[14][email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:29:52 +0100 > From: <[15][email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: "'Pat H'" <[16][email protected]>, > <[17][email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Pat, > Unfortunately you did not give the man's name or I > could have checked to see > if there was also a church record for him at > RootsIreland. > Church records of marriage, especially Protestant ones, > were very often > recorded on exactly the same format books as Civil > Records. I have no idea > why this should be so but it is. Obviously they had no > photocopiers then, > so the two records were completed at a different time, > in a different place > and by a different person, so they often contain > discrepancies. These > discrepancies may be accounted for by people giving > different info or people > recording that info incorrectly on one occasion. > Check RootsIreland to see it there is also a church > record. > And incidentally, if you use RootsIreland judiciously, > you should be able to > check the name of the fathers of the bride and the > groom before you buy the > cert, this ensuring you have the right one before > shelling out your three or > four euros. > Boyd Gray > > [18]http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default > .htm > [19]http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > [20]http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > -----Original Message----- > From: cot[21][email protected] > [[22]mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Pat H > Sent: 09 July 2013 08:42 > To: [23][email protected] > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage > in 1883 which I > hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the > name of the father of > the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the > same name as the groom. > I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the > name of a witness and > the location of the wedding suggest this could be my > relative. There is one > mistake in the first name of a witness which has been > crossed out and a new > name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots > which makes me > wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit > careless. > I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors > on marriage > certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the > right certificate or > not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name > being incorrect. > Cheers > Pat > ------------- > Our community web-site: [24]http://cotyroneireland.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COT[25][email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:36:43 +1000 > From: Pat H <[26][email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: [27][email protected] > Message-ID: > > <CAO7-Kqjnr9RaKDZZoQ3=0RFbkrC2vv[28][email protected] > ail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Thankyou Margaret and Boyd for your help. I am looking > for Joseph McMaster > (born around 1859), son of James McMaster. 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Pat, I can't speak specifically for Irish marriage certificates, but I can speak generally for BMD records. I have found MANY errors. Holland instead Holleran for a maiden name on a baptismal record is a simple one - the priest probably mis-heard or went from memory. On my grand aunt's death certificate, the given name of her father is correct, but the surname is completely wrong. Hello Margaret: Noticed you mention Holleran family and wonder if they might related to Elizabeth HALLERAN sometimes spelt Holleran born 27 Aug 1840 or 1842 Ontario Canada died 19 Jan 1926 Peterborough, Cavan Township, Ontario, Canada? Individual was married 16 Dec 1858 in Cavan, Hope Township, Upper Canada to William J LUNNEY born somewhere in Ireland died 3 Feb 1903 Peterborough, Cavan, Ontario, Canada. Elizabeth's parents given on marriage record Michael HALLERAN Senior and Frances DIXON. William J. LUNNEY was the son of Isaacs LUNNEY Senior b. 1801 Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland - 12 Apr 1857 Cavan and Ann MOORE b. 1811 Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. I'm trying to connect the LUNNEY's above to my great-great grandmother's lines without success. I've got all sorts of contrary information in source documents, but I'm looking for James LUNNEY Senior b. 16 May 1819 Belfast, Ireland? d. 3 Apr 1893 Durham Township, Grey County, Ontario, Canada married to Johanna Frances Catherine DONALLY or DONNELLY b. 25 Dec 1823 Tyrone, County Galway, Ireland or Tyrone County, Ireland depending on record d. 15 Mar 1907 Lamlash, Durham Township, Grey County, Ontario, Canada. One of the things I'm encountering with names is with Anglicized names from the Gaelic causing troubles with Census records. Example: Siobhán Áine = Johanna = Hanna = Hannah = Annie = Susannah = Susan in various records for same person. Also unsure as I don't speak Gaelic if Donnelly = Donnghal is equal to Donally or if there is some other meaning to this rather rare form of the name? Leonard G. Fluhrer III [email protected]

In certain periods of history when epidemics nearly wiped out some families, an early death might also result in wrong information on a death certificate. My maternal grandmother died of tuberculosis at the age of 34, having already lost both parents, all four grandparents, all her siblings except the brother away at sea, and her husband to either tuberculosis or typhoid. She left only three daughters ages 5-14, and the 14-year-old was the informant for her death certificate. Some of the information is correct, and other information is not. Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Donnelly Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:55 PM To: [email protected]; 'Brian'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 181 In the USA, we are also taught to rely more on earlier/earliest records. Mom or Dad reports the birth details - they were there! On death records, the informant is less likely to have first-hand knowledge, especially for someone who has had a long life. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ctrewby Sent: Wednesday, 10 July, 2013 9:22 PM To: Brian; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 181 Here in NZ the most knowledgeable/experienced genealogists always tell us to give more weight to a marriage certificate about the parties as to get one of those you needed to be there with your spouse etc and were more likely, normally, to give your own names and details correctly. I am not delving into the times where details were incorrect deliberately or when those recording misheard or when it has been transcribed incorrectly later. Many chances for records to end up oddly. On death the notice of death is by an informant who may or may not be a family member, sometimes could be neighbour. Younger members of the family acting as informants may have not listened or misheard when mum or dad was talking of their parents and as you say wrote what they thought. No malice usually just a lack of knowledge. If you can find prior and later documentation of the names on the marriage certificates (and this you may be able to get this by tracking brothers and sisters marriages) then I would be inclined to enter the death record but to note it that they may have the names wrong. If the death informants are not family then that could explain discrepancies and I would note that. Cathy ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > I have found discrepancies as well. We were going on parents' > names from a > death certificate. Finally found a copy of a marriage application > and the > last name of the mother was not the same. I am positive that I > have the > correct records for both. I wondered if when the death certificate > was > filled out they told the name they "thought" was correct at the > time, even > if inaccurate. I began to search both names to see > if I could get > anywhere. Haven't yet, but will keep trying. > > Brian Adams > > [email protected] > > > On 07/10/13, [email protected] > wrote: > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the > CoTyroneIreland-D > mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or > if you > wish to search or browse the archives, or if you wish to > unsubscribe from > digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see > > [1]http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIrelan > d.htmlforlinks > and instructions. See [2]http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our > associated web > site. > Today's Topics: > 1. Marriage Records (Pat H) > 2. Re: Marriage Records (Margaret Donnelly) > 3. Re: Marriage Records ([3][email protected]) > 4. Marriage Records (Pat H) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:42:08 +1000 > From: Pat H <[4][email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: [5][email protected] > Message-ID: > > <CAO7-Kqh_B7aZ9=-QZyhNqdM+wyvB-R[6][email protected] > il.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which > I > hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the > father of > the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as > the groom. > I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a > witness and > the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. > There is one > mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out > and a new > name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes > me > wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. > I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage > certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right > certificate or > not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. > Cheers > Pat > ------------------------------ > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 07:14:51 -0400 > From: "Margaret Donnelly" <[7][email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: "'Pat H'" <[8][email protected]>, > <[9][email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Pat, > I can't speak specifically for Irish marriage certificates, but I > can speak > generally for BMD records. I have found MANY errors. > Holland instead > Holleran for a maiden name on a baptismal record is a simple one - > the > priest probably mis-heard or went from memory. On my grand aunt's > death > certificate, the given name of her father is correct, but the > surname is > completely wrong. > Happy searching! > Margaret > -----Original Message----- > From: cot[10][email protected] > [[11]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat > H > Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 3:42 AM > To: [12][email protected] > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which > I hoped > would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the father > of the > groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as the > groom. > I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a > witness and > the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. > There is one > mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out > and a new > name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes > me > wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. > I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage > certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right > certificate or > not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. > Cheers > Pat > ------------- > Our community web-site: [13]http://cotyroneireland.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COT[14][email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:29:52 +0100 > From: <[15][email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: "'Pat H'" <[16][email protected]>, > <[17][email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Pat, > Unfortunately you did not give the man's name or I could have > checked to see > if there was also a church record for him at RootsIreland. > Church records of marriage, especially Protestant ones, were very > often > recorded on exactly the same format books as Civil Records. I have > no idea > why this should be so but it is. Obviously they had no photocopiers > then, > so the two records were completed at a different time, in a > different place > and by a different person, so they often contain discrepancies. > These > discrepancies may be accounted for by people giving different info > or people > recording that info incorrectly on one occasion. > Check RootsIreland to see it there is also a church record. > And incidentally, if you use RootsIreland judiciously, you should > be able to > check the name of the fathers of the bride and the groom before you > buy the > cert, this ensuring you have the right one before shelling out your > three or > four euros. > Boyd Gray > > [18]http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default > .htm > [19]http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > [20]http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > -----Original Message----- > From: cot[21][email protected] > [[22]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat > H > Sent: 09 July 2013 08:42 > To: [23][email protected] > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which > I > hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the > father of > the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as > the groom. > I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a > witness and > the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. > There is one > mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out > and a new > name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes > me > wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. > I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage > certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right > certificate or > not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. > Cheers > Pat > ------------- > Our community web-site: [24]http://cotyroneireland.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COT[25][email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:36:43 +1000 > From: Pat H <[26][email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: [27][email protected] > Message-ID: > > <CAO7-Kqjnr9RaKDZZoQ3=0RFbkrC2vv[28][email protected] > ail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Thankyou Margaret and Boyd for your help. I am looking for Joseph > McMaster > (born around 1859), son of James McMaster. If he married in Tyrone, > the > 1883 marriage looks to be the most likely possibility. > I can't find a > church record for this marriage so was hoping the civil record > would > confirm if I had the right person or not. > Pat > ------------------------------ > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an > email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an email to > COT[29][email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body > of the > email with no additional text. > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 181 > *********************************************** > > References > > 1. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html > 2. http://cotyroneireland.com/ > 3. mailto:[email protected] > 4. mailto:[email protected] > 5. mailto:[email protected] > 6. mailto:[email protected] > 7. mailto:[email protected] > 8. mailto:[email protected] > 9. mailto:[email protected] > 10. mailto:[email protected] > 11. mailto:[email protected] > 12. mailto:[email protected] > 13. http://cotyroneireland.com/ > 14. mailto:[email protected] > 15. mailto:[email protected] > 16. mailto:patsm2[email protected] > 17. mailto:[email protected] > 18. > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > 19. http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > 20. http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > 21. mailto:[email protected] > 22. mailto:[email protected] > 23. mailto:[email protected] > 24. http://cotyroneireland.com/ > 25. mailto:[email protected] > 26. mailto:[email protected] > 27. mailto:[email protected] > 28. mailto:[email protected] > 29. mailto:[email protected] > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It sure does. Incidentally my aunt remembers the Drelincourt family. On 10 Jul 2013, at 21:40, Barry Drelincourt <[email protected]> wrote: > Those street names are very familiar and suggest a stronger link with the Drelincourts. > > my g grandfather had a shop in Sandy Row. See attached. > > Barry > > ======================================== > Message Received: Jul 10 2013, 08:56 PM > From: "Gavin Bloomer" > To: "[email protected]" > Cc: > Subject: [CoTyIre] Bloomer Family > > Hi, > I am still trying to trace anyone called Bloomer who cam from Caledon or Tynan to Belfast, and settled in the Sandy Row area (Eureka Street, Matilda Street etc.) > Any help greatly appreciated! > Thanks, > Gavin Bloomer > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > <PAGE 421 Richard Drellingcourt (c1842-1895).doc>

In the USA, we are also taught to rely more on earlier/earliest records. Mom or Dad reports the birth details - they were there! On death records, the informant is less likely to have first-hand knowledge, especially for someone who has had a long life. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ctrewby Sent: Wednesday, 10 July, 2013 9:22 PM To: Brian; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 181 Here in NZ the most knowledgeable/experienced genealogists always tell us to give more weight to a marriage certificate about the parties as to get one of those you needed to be there with your spouse etc and were more likely, normally, to give your own names and details correctly. I am not delving into the times where details were incorrect deliberately or when those recording misheard or when it has been transcribed incorrectly later. Many chances for records to end up oddly. On death the notice of death is by an informant who may or may not be a family member, sometimes could be neighbour. Younger members of the family acting as informants may have not listened or misheard when mum or dad was talking of their parents and as you say wrote what they thought. No malice usually just a lack of knowledge. If you can find prior and later documentation of the names on the marriage certificates (and this you may be able to get this by tracking brothers and sisters marriages) then I would be inclined to enter the death record but to note it that they may have the names wrong. If the death informants are not family then that could explain discrepancies and I would note that. Cathy ----- Original Message Follows ----- > > I have found discrepancies as well. We were going on parents' > names from a > death certificate. Finally found a copy of a marriage application > and the > last name of the mother was not the same. I am positive that I > have the > correct records for both. I wondered if when the death certificate > was > filled out they told the name they "thought" was correct at the > time, even > if inaccurate. I began to search both names to see > if I could get > anywhere. Haven't yet, but will keep trying. > > Brian Adams > > [email protected] > > > On 07/10/13, [email protected] > wrote: > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the > CoTyroneIreland-D > mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or > if you > wish to search or browse the archives, or if you wish to > unsubscribe from > digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see > > [1]http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIrelan > d.htmlforlinks > and instructions. See [2]http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our > associated web > site. > Today's Topics: > 1. Marriage Records (Pat H) > 2. Re: Marriage Records (Margaret Donnelly) > 3. Re: Marriage Records ([3][email protected]) > 4. Marriage Records (Pat H) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:42:08 +1000 > From: Pat H <[4][email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: [5][email protected] > Message-ID: > > <CAO7-Kqh_B7aZ9=-QZyhNqdM+wyvB-R[6][email protected] > il.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which > I > hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the > father of > the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as > the groom. > I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a > witness and > the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. > There is one > mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out > and a new > name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes > me > wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. > I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage > certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right > certificate or > not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. > Cheers > Pat > ------------------------------ > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 07:14:51 -0400 > From: "Margaret Donnelly" <[7][email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: "'Pat H'" <[8][email protected]>, > <[9][email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Pat, > I can't speak specifically for Irish marriage certificates, but I > can speak > generally for BMD records. I have found MANY errors. > Holland instead > Holleran for a maiden name on a baptismal record is a simple one - > the > priest probably mis-heard or went from memory. On my grand aunt's > death > certificate, the given name of her father is correct, but the > surname is > completely wrong. > Happy searching! > Margaret > -----Original Message----- > From: cot[10][email protected] > [[11]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat > H > Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 3:42 AM > To: [12][email protected] > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which > I hoped > would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the father > of the > groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as the > groom. > I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a > witness and > the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. > There is one > mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out > and a new > name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes > me > wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. > I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage > certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right > certificate or > not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. > Cheers > Pat > ------------- > Our community web-site: [13]http://cotyroneireland.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COT[14][email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:29:52 +0100 > From: <[15][email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: "'Pat H'" <[16][email protected]>, > <[17][email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Pat, > Unfortunately you did not give the man's name or I could have > checked to see > if there was also a church record for him at RootsIreland. > Church records of marriage, especially Protestant ones, were very > often > recorded on exactly the same format books as Civil Records. I have > no idea > why this should be so but it is. Obviously they had no photocopiers > then, > so the two records were completed at a different time, in a > different place > and by a different person, so they often contain discrepancies. > These > discrepancies may be accounted for by people giving different info > or people > recording that info incorrectly on one occasion. > Check RootsIreland to see it there is also a church record. > And incidentally, if you use RootsIreland judiciously, you should > be able to > check the name of the fathers of the bride and the groom before you > buy the > cert, this ensuring you have the right one before shelling out your > three or > four euros. > Boyd Gray > > [18]http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default > .htm > [19]http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > [20]http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > -----Original Message----- > From: cot[21][email protected] > [[22]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat > H > Sent: 09 July 2013 08:42 > To: [23][email protected] > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which > I > hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the > father of > the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as > the groom. > I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a > witness and > the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. > There is one > mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out > and a new > name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes > me > wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. > I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage > certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right > certificate or > not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. > Cheers > Pat > ------------- > Our community web-site: [24]http://cotyroneireland.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COT[25][email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:36:43 +1000 > From: Pat H <[26][email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records > To: [27][email protected] > Message-ID: > > <CAO7-Kqjnr9RaKDZZoQ3=0RFbkrC2vv[28][email protected] > ail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Thankyou Margaret and Boyd for your help. I am looking for Joseph > McMaster > (born around 1859), son of James McMaster. If he married in Tyrone, > the > 1883 marriage looks to be the most likely possibility. > I can't find a > church record for this marriage so was hoping the civil record > would > confirm if I had the right person or not. > Pat > ------------------------------ > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an > email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an email to > COT[29][email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body > of the > email with no additional text. > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 181 > *********************************************** > > References > > 1. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html > 2. http://cotyroneireland.com/ > 3. mailto:[email protected] > 4. mailto:[email protected] > 5. mailto:[email protected] > 6. mailto:[email protected] > 7. mailto:[email protected] > 8. mailto:[email protected] > 9. mailto:[email protected] > 10. mailto:[email protected] > 11. mailto:[email protected] > 12. mailto:[email protected] > 13. http://cotyroneireland.com/ > 14. mailto:[email protected] > 15. mailto:[email protected] > 16. mailto:[email protected] > 17. mailto:[email protected] > 18. > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > 19. http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > 20. http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > 21. mailto:[email protected] > 22. mailto:[email protected] > 23. mailto:[email protected] > 24. http://cotyroneireland.com/ > 25. mailto:[email protected] > 26. mailto:[email protected] > 27. mailto:[email protected] > 28. mailto:[email protected] > 29. mailto:[email protected] > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I am still trying to trace anyone called Bloomer who cam from Caledon or Tynan to Belfast, and settled in the Sandy Row area (Eureka Street, Matilda Street etc.) Any help greatly appreciated! Thanks, Gavin Bloomer

I have found discrepancies as well. We were going on parents' names from a death certificate. Finally found a copy of a marriage application and the last name of the mother was not the same. I am positive that I have the correct records for both. I wondered if when the death certificate was filled out they told the name they "thought" was correct at the time, even if inaccurate. I began to search both names to see if I could get anywhere. Haven't yet, but will keep trying. Brian Adams [email protected] On 07/10/13, [email protected] wrote: You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, or if you wish to search or browse the archives, or if you wish to unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see [1]http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.htmlforlinks and instructions. See [2]http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our associated web site. Today's Topics: 1. Marriage Records (Pat H) 2. Re: Marriage Records (Margaret Donnelly) 3. Re: Marriage Records ([3][email protected]) 4. Marriage Records (Pat H) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:42:08 +1000 From: Pat H <[4][email protected]> Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records To: [5][email protected] Message-ID: <CAO7-Kqh_B7aZ9=-QZyhNqdM+wyvB-R[6][email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which I hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the father of the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as the groom. I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a witness and the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. There is one mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out and a new name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes me wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right certificate or not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. Cheers Pat ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 07:14:51 -0400 From: "Margaret Donnelly" <[7][email protected]> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records To: "'Pat H'" <[8][email protected]>, <[9][email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pat, I can't speak specifically for Irish marriage certificates, but I can speak generally for BMD records. I have found MANY errors. Holland instead Holleran for a maiden name on a baptismal record is a simple one - the priest probably mis-heard or went from memory. On my grand aunt's death certificate, the given name of her father is correct, but the surname is completely wrong. Happy searching! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: cot[10][email protected] [[11]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat H Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 3:42 AM To: [12][email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which I hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the father of the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as the groom. I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a witness and the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. There is one mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out and a new name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes me wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right certificate or not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. Cheers Pat ------------- Our community web-site: [13]http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COT[14][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 14:29:52 +0100 From: <[15][email protected]> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records To: "'Pat H'" <[16][email protected]>, <[17][email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pat, Unfortunately you did not give the man's name or I could have checked to see if there was also a church record for him at RootsIreland. Church records of marriage, especially Protestant ones, were very often recorded on exactly the same format books as Civil Records. I have no idea why this should be so but it is. Obviously they had no photocopiers then, so the two records were completed at a different time, in a different place and by a different person, so they often contain discrepancies. These discrepancies may be accounted for by people giving different info or people recording that info incorrectly on one occasion. Check RootsIreland to see it there is also a church record. And incidentally, if you use RootsIreland judiciously, you should be able to check the name of the fathers of the bride and the groom before you buy the cert, this ensuring you have the right one before shelling out your three or four euros. Boyd Gray [18]http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm [19]http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ [20]http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: cot[21][email protected] [[22]mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat H Sent: 09 July 2013 08:42 To: [23][email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which I hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the father of the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as the groom. I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a witness and the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. There is one mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out and a new name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes me wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right certificate or not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. Cheers Pat ------------- Our community web-site: [24]http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COT[25][email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 10:36:43 +1000 From: Pat H <[26][email protected]> Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records To: [27][email protected] Message-ID: <CAO7-Kqjnr9RaKDZZoQ3=0RFbkrC2vv[28][email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thankyou Margaret and Boyd for your help. I am looking for Joseph McMaster (born around 1859), son of James McMaster. If he married in Tyrone, the 1883 marriage looks to be the most likely possibility. I can't find a church record for this marriage so was hoping the civil record would confirm if I had the right person or not. Pat ------------------------------ To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COT[29][email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Hi Pat, DID he marry in Tyrone? I mean do you have any evidence that the family came from Tyrone? And who did he marry? You are not making this easy for us, Pat! RootsIreland shows that the father of that 1883 Joseph was another Joseph and he married a Lizzy Black. Is this the wrong woman or do you not know his wife's name? Here are two more Joseph McMasters, both sons of a James McMaster this time, who married at around the same time: Source Surname First Name Year County Church Marriage McMaster Joseph 1884 Co. Antrim Church Marriage McMaster Joseph 1884 Co. Down They married these women: Source Surname First Name Year County Church Marriage White Margaret 1884 Co. Antrim Church Marriage Pollock Agnes 1884 Co. Down Does any of that help? Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:cotyroneire[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat H Sent: 10 July 2013 01:37 To: [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records Thankyou Margaret and Boyd for your help. I am looking for Joseph McMaster (born around 1859), son of James McMaster. If he married in Tyrone, the 1883 marriage looks to be the most likely possibility. I can't find a church record for this marriage so was hoping the civil record would confirm if I had the right person or not. Pat ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou Margaret and Boyd for your help. I am looking for Joseph McMaster (born around 1859), son of James McMaster. If he married in Tyrone, the 1883 marriage looks to be the most likely possibility. I can't find a church record for this marriage so was hoping the civil record would confirm if I had the right person or not. Pat

I have the images of marriages for two sisters in Boston in the late 1800's. To the best of my knowledge both of these girls moved out of the family home at marriage. Their mother was still alive and lived another 20 years. In both cases, the mothers name was recorded wrong in the record. It's not like the girls did not know their mother! Joan Researching BOND/BONN/BOHN, MEAGHER, and PELLERIN in Port Felix, Nova Scotia. Researching LAFORET and SAAM in Williamsburg NY and Frankenthal Germany Researching CONNOLLY and McLAUGHLIN in Cty Tyrone Ireland and Ontario Canada   ________________________________

I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which I hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the father of the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as the groom. I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a witness and the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. There is one mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out and a new name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes me wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right certificate or not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. Cheers Pat

Pat, Unfortunately you did not give the man's name or I could have checked to see if there was also a church record for him at RootsIreland. Church records of marriage, especially Protestant ones, were very often recorded on exactly the same format books as Civil Records. I have no idea why this should be so but it is. Obviously they had no photocopiers then, so the two records were completed at a different time, in a different place and by a different person, so they often contain discrepancies. These discrepancies may be accounted for by people giving different info or people recording that info incorrectly on one occasion. Check RootsIreland to see it there is also a church record. And incidentally, if you use RootsIreland judiciously, you should be able to check the name of the fathers of the bride and the groom before you buy the cert, this ensuring you have the right one before shelling out your three or four euros. Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat H Sent: 09 July 2013 08:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which I hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the father of the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as the groom. I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a witness and the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. There is one mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out and a new name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes me wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right certificate or not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. Cheers Pat ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, I can't speak specifically for Irish marriage certificates, but I can speak generally for BMD records. I have found MANY errors. Holland instead Holleran for a maiden name on a baptismal record is a simple one - the priest probably mis-heard or went from memory. On my grand aunt's death certificate, the given name of her father is correct, but the surname is completely wrong. Happy searching! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat H Sent: Tuesday, 09 July, 2013 3:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] Marriage Records I have received a marriage certificate for a marriage in 1883 which I hoped would be for my great,great uncle. However, the name of the father of the groom is not who I expected, in fact he has the same name as the groom. I first assumed that I had the wrong person but the name of a witness and the location of the wedding suggest this could be my relative. There is one mistake in the first name of a witness which has been crossed out and a new name written. There are also look to be a few ink blots which makes me wonder if whoever filled in the register was a bit careless. I was wondering if anyone else has come across errors on marriage certificates. I am undecided as to whether I have the right certificate or not but am reluctant to dismiss it due to one name being incorrect. Cheers Pat ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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