Craig, I am glad you found it helpful. Keep in mind there is a possibility William's baptism record was lost through time. Maybe trying to locate a death record for William stating an age on it would give you a better distinction between those two records as to whether or not one does belong to him. Have you tried finding this on Scotland's people? Mike

Rosie, I am sorry for the typing errors in my previous message. You are not understanding me clearly. I know you said Andrew was born 17 July 1848 and he was the son Francis Quinn birth date unknown. Both came to America around 1860. I was confused by the layout of your first message. “Still searching Francis Quinn, son Andrew Quinn born July 17, 1848. Came to America around 1860.” I was not sure who was the father of who. For this I am sorry. Obviously a father could not have a son at age one and I would not suggest such a ridiculous thing. Please don’t insult my intelligence. I am trying to help you. Here is what I found for you. Please take the time to read over it carefully. There are two records for an Andrew Quinn with a father named Francis. One is born in 1847 and the other 1851. You can view transcriptions of them online for a fee at www.rootsireland.com Good luck in your search. Have a nice day. Regards, Michael Kelly From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Quinn If father and son they would not be a year apart. all info i have says Andrew 1848 a Plumber. In a message dated 8/17/2013 12:33:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: There is a Church Baptisms for an Andrew Quinn with a father named Francis on IFHF One born 1847 and One born 1851. You think the birth date you have may be off by a year?? If you purchased this record from 1847 for about $10.00 or less. It should have the same date if it is a match to your Andrew. This would at least give a parish of origin and a town land I would think. There are 27 Francis Quinns in the Griffiths Valuations of 1860 in Tyrone so this would be the best suggestion I can think of at the moment to the connection. Mike Sorry, i have no knowledge of Francis, we think born, between 1807 1811???? do not know where they come from have heard Cookstown said. They both came to America 1860. Thanks Rosemarie [email protected] In a message dated 8/17/2013 8:16:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: You’re welcome. I would be more than happy to try and help you if I can. Your original message threw me off. The way you presented your question was as if you were referring Francis the whole time and made mention his father was Andrew. So when was Francis born about and od you know where? Where was Andrew born? Which one came to America? Regards, Michael Kelly Emporium, Cameron County, Pennsylvania, United States of America From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 10:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Quinn Thanks but it is Andrew born 1848 not Francis but i appreciate your help. Thanks Rosemarie In a message dated 8/16/2013 6:38:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: There is one close match on www.rootsireland.ie for a Francis with a father Andrew in 1847 Church Baptism Quinn, Francis 1847 Co. Tyrone In a message dated 8/17/2013 8:16:54 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 10:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Quinn Still searching Francis Quinn, son Andrew Quinn born July 17, 1848. Came to America around 1860. Thank you Rosemarie Quinn [email protected] -------------

Have research my COLLINS family at Minterburn (1829-1849). While the "current" cemetery is across the road from the church, the old original cemetery is beside and behind the church building. Original records of births and marriages were still kept on-site by the minister in 1984 and at a later visit about 1998. Please bear in mind that recoding of burials by the clergy was not a requirement of the Presbyterian church and there was no record of burials that I saw. That having been said, I was looking only in the above (1829-1849) period as the family moved to Belfast in 1850. I did not note any LITTLE names when I was there. John Collins on the go. Sarnia, Ont. Canada > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:42:51 -0500 > From: Vickie Edgerton <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] A Presbyterian Church near Augnacloy > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > The two Presbyterian churches in the area (which have adjoining > cemeteries) are: > > 1. Minterburn Presbyterian at 2-156 Minterburn Road and the graveyard > is on the opposite side of the road to Minteburn Presbyterian Church. > 2. Ballymagrane Presbyterian Church, in *Crilly*, just west of the A28 > highway coming south out of Aughnacloy - on Dunmacmay Road. > > Here's the Google map link showing the route between the two churches > - http://goo.gl/maps/CKmsj > > I have a keen interest in the *LITTLE* family should you come across any > records containing that name, > > Thanks, > Vickie > > > On 8/13/2013 5:34 PM, Charlie Weaver wrote: >> Hello list & Jim: My PETTIGREW ancestors lived at "Crilly House", >> near Augnacloy, Co Tyrone. I need info on what Presbyterian church >> they might have attended. I also need the info you sent me before, Jim, >> with the names of the political/parish/subdivisions. I lost that in a >> computer problem. >> Thanks : Charlie Weaver Winston-Salem, NC >> 336-765-9635 >> ------------- >>

Still searching Francis Quinn, son Andrew Quinn born July 17, 1848. Came to America around 1860. Thank you Rosemarie Quinn [email protected]

The two Presbyterian churches in the area (which have adjoining cemeteries) are: 1. Minterburn Presbyterian at 2-156 Minterburn Road and the graveyard is on the opposite side of the road to Minteburn Presbyterian Church. 2. Ballymagrane Presbyterian Church, in *Crilly*, just west of the A28 highway coming south out of Aughnacloy - on Dunmacmay Road. Here's the Google map link showing the route between the two churches - http://goo.gl/maps/CKmsj I have a keen interest in the *LITTLE* family should you come across any records containing that name, Thanks, Vickie On 8/13/2013 5:34 PM, Charlie Weaver wrote: > Hello list & Jim: My PETTIGREW ancestors lived at "Crilly House", > near Augnacloy, Co Tyrone. I need info on what Presbyterian church > they might have attended. I also need the info you sent me before, Jim, > with the names of the political/parish/subdivisions. I lost that in a > computer problem. > Thanks : Charlie Weaver Winston-Salem, NC > 336-765-9635 > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Craig, My first thought was Cunnigan was actually Cunningham. So for you to mention it later documented as Cunningham seems to solidify for me this was the correct spelling. There were no spelling rules back then and most people were illiterate. When you put McGachan in the the search field on www.rootsireland.ie (IFHF) you get the name McGaughan and not McGahan which also exists. There is only one Michael McGaughan left in Tyrone living in Drumkee Killyman Parish during the Griffiths, interestingly enough there are also many McGahans in the same parish. I would say McGachan is the way your family adopted the spelling from early Scotch recordings of the name. A pretty common happening for many families. McGaughan and or McGahan would be alternate spellings in Ireland. Have you ever checked Scotland's people to see how many people have their surname spelled this way? It just many be the Scottish way of spelling it. Maybe you can find the 1871 census using one of these alternate spellings or by searching for just the first name William in the particular area, which may take some extra work, but will possibly help you locate the record. Thanks for sharing. Regards, Michael Kelly Emporium, Cameron County, Pennsylvania, United States of America -----Original Message----- From: Craig Ryan Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] McGachans of Gargadis, County Tyrone Thanks to Ray & Rob for the information they have provided to help my search. It's gave me more info to look into. I'm wondering if the change in surname spelling (coming from Ireland) has been the issue and the surname originally was McGahan? The records I have found of the family have shown various forms of the surname. They are as follows: My Grandmother (born in Glasgow in 1923) is listed on all documents (birth, marriage, & death) as Margaret McGachan. My great Grandfather (born in Dalziel, Lanarkshire in 1888) is listed in his birth certificate as John McGahaen. His marriage certificate (1919) & death certificate in 1941 lists the name as John McGachan. My great great Grandfather (the first one of the family born in Scotland in late 1853 in Newarthill, Lanarkshire) does not have a birth certificate (as it was before records began in 1855 in Scotland) but his baptism in St Margaret's RC church in Airdrie, Lanarkshire on Scotland's People website as McGlashon. But when you read the document itself it definitely says McGachan. His Dad is listed as William McGachan, and the mother as Mary Cunnigan. His surname on his wedding certificate from 1883 is spelt as McGechan, and on his death certificate in 1920 it is spelt McGachan. My great, great, great, Grandfather - William McGachan (born around 1834) is on census records for Lanarkshire, Scotland for the years of 1851, 1861, & 1881. I can't find anything else on him directly (apart from his children's birth certificates). No birth, marriage, or death records on either him, or his wife Mary Cunnigan. The birth certificate of their first daughter (Bridget - who died soon after) from 1855 in Scotland is the only document that lists them as from Gargadis, County Tyrone. All census records state only - County Tyrone. Another weird coincidence is that his wife is listed on the latter children's birth certificates as a maiden name of Cunningham. Is this an attempt to make both her maiden name and married name sound "Scottish"? Thanks again for the help folks. Craig. ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.21450) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Charlie, Hope the following info answers your query: Aughnacloy Presbyterian Church (Carnteel Parish, Co. Tyrone) Microfilmed records available for consultation at PRONI, Belfast Baptisms 1812-1977 Indexes to baptisms 1812-42 Marriages1812-24, 1830-41 and 1845-1911 Indexes to marriages1812-41 Committee minutes 1825-70 Session minutes 1842-70 The PRONI reference is: MIC.1P/38 Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

Thanks to Ray & Rob for the information they have provided to help my search. It's gave me more info to look into. I'm wondering if the change in surname spelling (coming from Ireland) has been the issue and the surname originally was McGahan? The records I have found of the family have shown various forms of the surname. They are as follows: My Grandmother (born in Glasgow in 1923) is listed on all documents (birth, marriage, & death) as Margaret McGachan. My great Grandfather (born in Dalziel, Lanarkshire in 1888) is listed in his birth certificate as John McGahaen. His marriage certificate (1919) & death certificate in 1941 lists the name as John McGachan. My great great Grandfather (the first one of the family born in Scotland in late 1853 in Newarthill, Lanarkshire) does not have a birth certificate (as it was before records began in 1855 in Scotland) but his baptism in St Margaret's RC church in Airdrie, Lanarkshire on Scotland's People website as McGlashon. But when you read the document itself it definitely says McGachan. His Dad is listed as William McGachan, and the mother as Mary Cunnigan. His surname on his wedding certificate from 1883 is spelt as McGechan, and on his death certificate in 1920 it is spelt McGachan. My great, great, great, Grandfather - William McGachan (born around 1834) is on census records for Lanarkshire, Scotland for the years of 1851, 1861, & 1881. I can't find anything else on him directly (apart from his children's birth certificates). No birth, marriage, or death records on either him, or his wife Mary Cunnigan. The birth certificate of their first daughter (Bridget - who died soon after) from 1855 in Scotland is the only document that lists them as from Gargadis, County Tyrone. All census records state only - County Tyrone. Another weird coincidence is that his wife is listed on the latter children's birth certificates as a maiden name of Cunningham. Is this an attempt to make both her maiden name and married name sound "Scottish"? Thanks again for the help folks. Craig. ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.21450) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Hi Charlie, Not sure of your timeframe but in 1838 my gg grandparents were married by the Rev. John Henderson, Presbyterian Minister of Aughnacloy. So the short answer is that there was a Presbyterian Church in Aughnacloy. I found this information from microfilms at PRONI in Belfast. I would suggest searching through the Archives of this List because "Crilly House" has been the subject of previous emails. Margaret in Oz.

Hi Dennis, Maybe the reason your Andrew, William and James were baptised 10 miles away is that may have been the church where their mother lived and where the parents were married. I can't help you with the correct address in Ireland but maybe Donaghmore is the townland and Dungannon in the Parish. Good luck with tracking down your Wrights. Margaret in Oz.

Hi Maragret, I replied to Dennis off list, but I believe his family was from Donaghmore town in the Donaghmore Parish just a couple of miles or so North of Dungannon which also would be in the Dungannon Sub district and written on most all BMD records. There is also a James Wright there in the Griffiths matching what he is in search of. All his clues point there and I agree with you about his maternal side possibly coming from Brigh area and or attending this church. Regards, Michael Kelly Emporium, Cameron County, Pennsylvania, United States of America -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Barnes Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 4:04 AM To: Dennis Wright Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Wright family Hi Dennis, Maybe the reason your Andrew, William and James were baptised 10 miles away is that may have been the church where their mother lived and where the parents were married. I can't help you with the correct address in Ireland but maybe Donaghmore is the townland and Dungannon in the Parish. Good luck with tracking down your Wrights. Margaret in Oz. ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Craig. No one seems to have replied to you yet, so I will have a quick attempt to start some help for you. Firstly, you mention the townland of Gargadis. Googling told me that that is within the parish of Kilskeery / Kilskerry in County Tyrone. Here is a link to the Failte Romhat site, which provides name indexes to the Griffiths Valuation -- taken in the 1860s in Tyrone if I recall correctly. This link takes you directly to the surnames in Kilskeery parish. I cannot see anything much like McGachan in that list --- but an Irish person who is more familiar with pronunciations of McGACHAN might find surnames in this list which are similar in sound/pronunciation. However, it does show two entries for the surname of CONNIGAN, which might interest you. Here is the relevant link: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/tyrone/kilskeery.php Now, here is a different link. This one is to the askaboutireland website for the full Griffiths Valuation of Ireland; and this particular link is for the PLACENAME search. http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch If you search for Gargadis here, it provides ONE result. If you click on the heading for OCCUPANTS; that shows ALL of the surnames of occupiers at that time in the Gargadis townland. http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&PlaceID=1257888&county=Tyrone&barony=Omagh, east&parish=Kilskeery&townland=<b>Gargadis</b> Looking through those names, the one which strikes my eye as POSSIBLY being similar to yours is McGURRAN. (Again, an Irish person might give an opinion as to whether I am imagining a similarity between those surnames or not. Next, I tried looking at the askaboutireland site for any McGACHANs in the entire Griffiths Valuation of Ireland, and it showed NO results -- for this spelling. Try it yourself here: http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch This NIL result leads me to think that alternative spellings for McGACHAN will need to be explored. Again, just guessing as a non-Irishman, perhaps McGAHAN might be one such alternative spelling; and then from that McGANN or MAGANN might be possible. Taking a different tack, perhaps something like McGUCKIN might be relevant. Play around and see if you have any luck. Hopefully others will weigh-in with their thoughts to assist you too. Good luck. ray in oz On 13/08/2013, at 3:59 AM, Craig Ryan <[email protected]> wrote: I'm wondering if anyone can provide me with any information on a William McGachan (a coalminer - born about 1834)? One document I have (from 1855 in Scotland) states that he came from Gargadis in County Tyrone to live in Lanarkshire, Scotland. Later documents in Scotland simply list his birth place as County Tyrone, Ireland. He was married to a lady (listed on the 1855 document as from the same area) called Mary Cunnigan (born about 1836). At this time I have no details to say if they were married in Tyrone, or in Scotland. Any help in directing me to local libraries/churches/areas of contact from anyone in the site would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig Ryan. mailto:[email protected] =======

Hi Craig, To follow on from what Ray wrote - if you look at the Griffith's on failteromhat.com and put GAHAN in the search box you will find entries for GAHAN, McGAHAN and MEGAHAN in Tyrone, mainly for Killyman parish. None for Kilskeery, I'm afraid. Rob Doragh Liverpool UK

Hello list & Jim: My PETTIGREW ancestors lived at "Crilly House", near Augnacloy, Co Tyrone. I need info on what Presbyterian church they might have attended. I also need the info you sent me before, Jim, with the names of the political/parish/subdivisions. I lost that in a computer problem. Thanks : Charlie Weaver Winston-Salem, NC 336-765-9635

My Great uncle Andrew Wright has his place of birth on his Illinois death notice as Dungannon, Ireland. The parent I am trying to link him to is James Wright. I found a James Wright who was born in Donaghmore, Tyrone, Ireland. When I looked up Donaghmore on Google Earth the full description was: Donaghmore, Dungannon, Tyrone, UK. My question is are these two places the same? To complicate matters, Andrew, William and my great grandfather James Wright were baptized in Brigh Presbyterian church about 10 miles from Donaghmore. Dennis

I'm wondering if anyone can provide me with any information on a William McGachan (a coalminer - born about 1834)? One document I have (from 1855 in Scotland) states that he came from Gargadis in County Tyrone to live in Lanarkshire, Scotland. Later documents in Scotland simply list his birth place as County Tyrone, Ireland. He was married to a lady (listed on the 1855 document as from the same area) called Mary Cunnigan (born about 1836). At this time I have no details to say if they were married in Tyrone, or in Scotland. Any help in directing me to local libraries/churches/areas of contact from anyone in the site would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig Ryan. mailto:[email protected] ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 9.0.0.2308, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.21440) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

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Good morning Claire, I have the Roman Catholic records, from microfilm, for baptisms of daughters Elizabeth, 1862, and Catherine (my GGM), 1860, as well as the marriage of Thomas and Margaret in 1851 - all at the same Church in Jersey City, New Jersey. None of them have any detail of place of birth for Thomas and Margaret - not even the generic Ireland. Margaret's death certificate from 1882 only lists Ireland. As an aside, I have several dozen Roman Catholic marriage and baptismal records from New Jersey between 1851 and 1922 and not one has anything more specific than Ireland. My research would be so much easier if even one of them had more detail! It is interesting on that 1861 English census that the family just above the Gilmore group is listed as coming from "Ireland, Castlebar, Mayo," with much better detail than the Gilmore group. The locals from the same page have "Lancs, Oldham," while the last family on the page has only "Ireland." I plan to look at more of the surrounding pages, to see if I can find some more hints. One of the Gilmore daughters (aunt to Peter who will marry Elizabeth Holleran) is married to an Oldham man, with 3 children born in Oldham, indicating at least part of the family has been in Oldham more than 5 years. The family is employed in the cotton mill, as are many of their neighbors. I did some cross-checking on rootsireland.ie, looking for a Gilmore-Reilly connection. I looked for baptisms of Reilly children with Gilmore mothers and Gilmore children with Reilly mothers and found quite a few of both. The Gilmore baptisms with Reilly mothers are concentrated in Antrim. The Reilly births with Gilmore mothers are scattered, with a slight edge to Louth and Galway. Thanks for the suggestions and the wishes. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Claire K [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 10 August, 2013 12:45 AM To: Margaret Donnelly Cc: Claire K; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Mahon/Mahone HI Margaret, I guess I was hoping that the English census would say, for instance, the Gilmore husband was born in Ireland but his (Britt(on)) wife was born in England. That at least would lead you to think that the Gilmore is the more likely relation to the born-in-Ireland Hollerans. (I just re-read your note and see you say ALL of the family is listed as from "Mahone," so I guess that includes the wife. Darn!) If both Gilmore and Britt(on) were born in Ireland, I would check to see which of them (surnames only, not specific people) can be found in proximity to Holleran, and target my next research that way. Reilly is certainly a common name, but that doesn't mean that it appears in all the same places that (the much more rare) Holleran does. If you find a place that has both of them (e.g., in GV or TA), then you have an area to focus in on as likely, to see if you can find a trace of your families in that area. You mention daughter Elizabeth's birth in 1862. Have you sought out the church baptism records? If they were in an Irish area, with an Irish priest, it's quite likely that he will have noted at least county of origin in Ireland for the parents. I've seen this a lot in Philadelphia and NYC Irish parishes, for example. How about Elizabeth's (and any siblings') marriages, both civil and religious? Depending on date and location, those may give some info on parents' origins in the old country. Meanwhile, I wish you luck in finding a Reilly in your line who at least has an uncommon first name. It would make your work so much easier! Good luck! Claire K. On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Margaret Donnelly <[email protected]> wrote: > ...Unfortunately, I don't know the cousinship among the 4 > surnames....no information on their manifest about point of origin. > Thomas Holleran disappears from my research about 1863... last records > are his 1863 Civil War draft registration and the 1862 birth of > Elizabeth. Margaret Reilly Holleran died in 1882, when New Jersey > death certificates did not require the names of parents. She is a widow in the 1870 census, with 5 children. > > I have not tried the Reily/Reilly line, because it is such a common > name. I have looked at Holleran and Gilmore, but have not yet dug into > the Britt/on line. I have John Gilmore and Mary in the 1875 NY Census, > but nothing later on them.. > -----Original Message----- > ... > Hi Margaret, > > Was it John Gilmore who was the Holleran's first cousin, or was Mary > Britt(on)s the Holleran cousin? Whichever it is, have you tried > triangulating the Gilmore/Britt(on), Holleran, and Reilly names to see > if you can find them in close proximity (same parish or adjoining > parishes, perhaps)? Maybe that will help you narrow down a Galway or > Mayo locale so you can dig more deeply into unofficial placenames, > subdenomination names, and the like, and find one that looks / sounds like "Mahone." > > Claire K. > > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Hooksett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ...Irish cousins of mine, the Gilmores, lived in Oldham, Lancashire, >> England for a few years.[In] the English census...The entire family >> is listed as born in "Mahone, Ireland." >> >> Since these Gilmore family members from "Mahone" are close cousins to >> my Holleran family, I'm hoping to pinpoint the location. ...Thomas > Holleran... >> arrived in New York in 1850, single, and on the same ship with his >> future wife, Margaret A Reily/Reilly. They will marry on January 1, > 1851... >> >> Peter Gilmore will be born July 27, 1862, in Oldham, Lancashire to >> John Gilmore and Mary Britt or Britton. In 1899, he will marry >> Elizabeth Holleran, younger sister of my great grandmother...2nd cousins. >> >> Any suggestions for "Mahone?" >> ... >> The name Holleran is NOT a common one and appears to be mostly >> concentrated in the old Connaught Province, in Galway and Mayo. >> Alternate spellings like Halloran are more widespread. > ...

HI Margaret, I guess I was hoping that the English census would say, for instance, the Gilmore husband was born in Ireland but his (Britt(on)) wife was born in England. That at least would lead you to think that the Gilmore is the more likely relation to the born-in-Ireland Hollerans. (I just re-read your note and see you say ALL of the family is listed as from "Mahone," so I guess that includes the wife. Darn!) If both Gilmore and Britt(on) were born in Ireland, I would check to see which of them (surnames only, not specific people) can be found in proximity to Holleran, and target my next research that way. Reilly is certainly a common name, but that doesn't mean that it appears in all the same places that (the much more rare) Holleran does. If you find a place that has both of them (e.g., in GV or TA), then you have an area to focus in on as likely, to see if you can find a trace of your families in that area. You mention daughter Elizabeth's birth in 1862. Have you sought out the church baptism records? If they were in an Irish area, with an Irish priest, it's quite likely that he will have noted at least county of origin in Ireland for the parents. I've seen this a lot in Philadelphia and NYC Irish parishes, for example. How about Elizabeth's (and any siblings') marriages, both civil and religious? Depending on date and location, those may give some info on parents' origins in the old country. Meanwhile, I wish you luck in finding a Reilly in your line who at least has an uncommon first name. It would make your work so much easier! Good luck! Claire K. On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Margaret Donnelly <[email protected]> wrote: > ...Unfortunately, I don't know the cousinship among the 4 surnames....no information on their manifest > about point of origin. Thomas Holleran disappears from my research about > 1863... last records are his 1863 Civil > War draft registration and the 1862 birth of Elizabeth. Margaret Reilly > Holleran died in 1882, when New Jersey death certificates did not require > the names of parents. She is a widow in the 1870 census, with 5 children. > > I have not tried the Reily/Reilly line, because it is such a common name. I > have looked at Holleran and Gilmore, but have not yet dug into the Britt/on > line. I have John Gilmore and Mary in the 1875 NY Census, but nothing later > on them…. > -----Original Message----- > ... > Hi Margaret, > > Was it John Gilmore who was the Holleran's first cousin, or was Mary > Britt(on)s the Holleran cousin? Whichever it is, have you tried > triangulating the Gilmore/Britt(on), Holleran, and Reilly names to see if > you can find them in close proximity (same parish or adjoining parishes, > perhaps)? Maybe that will help you narrow down a Galway or Mayo locale so > you can dig more deeply into unofficial placenames, subdenomination names, > and the like, and find one that looks / sounds like "Mahone." > > Claire K. > > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Hooksett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ...Irish cousins of mine, the Gilmores, lived in Oldham, Lancashire, >> England for a few years.[In] the English census...The entire family is >> listed as born in "Mahone, Ireland." >> >> Since these Gilmore family members from "Mahone" are close cousins to >> my Holleran family, I'm hoping to pinpoint the location. ...Thomas > Holleran... >> arrived in New York in 1850, single, and on the same ship with his >> future wife, Margaret A Reily/Reilly. They will marry on January 1, > 1851... >> >> Peter Gilmore will be born July 27, 1862, in Oldham, Lancashire to >> John Gilmore and Mary Britt or Britton. In 1899, he will marry >> Elizabeth Holleran, younger sister of my great grandmother...2nd cousins. >> >> Any suggestions for "Mahone?" >> ... >> The name Holleran is NOT a common one and appears to be mostly >> concentrated in the old Connaught Province, in Galway and Mayo. >> Alternate spellings like Halloran are more widespread. > ...

As some people are now aware, 1921 Canada Census is now available but only thru Ancestry (Not Library & Archives Canada yet) for which you have to pay..........and, for now, there is no indexing (just image browsing). Got this message from a distant cousin: "Just saw a notice that viewing images is free - at least at the moment. And perhaps until they're up on Library and Archives Canada (who knows!)" Use this link http://www.ancestry.ca/census to the Ancestry page as it says they are free using "the link below". Note: I am looking in Huntsville, Muskoka District images and I find some of them are pretty hard to see for some reason, but good luck (if you have the patience to browse)! Regards, Judy