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    1. Re: [CoTyIre] COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 267
    2. maryanne bayliss

    3. The Immigrants Daughter brought tears to my eyes, Thankyou for sharing that. Both My GrandMothers left Ireland, one for New Zealand and the other for Australia, Just very young ladies. One lost her only Daughter at sea from Typhoid. I can imagine just how devastating that would have been, along with leaving their Parents and Siblings behind, never to see them again. And setting sail on those crowded Sailing ships for days or months on end. Yet without their courage I wouldn't be here today, in their new land. Maryanne NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:00 PM Subject: COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 267 > > > You are receiving this email because you subscribed to the > CoTyroneIreland-D mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these > messages, or if you wish to search or browse the archives, or if you wish > to unsubscribe from digest mode and subscribe in list mode, see > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/CoTyroneIreland.html for links > and instructions. See http://cotyroneireland.com/ for our associated web > site. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content (Jim McKane) > 2. Re: Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The Irish > Times - Mon, Nov 04, 2013 (Margaret Donnelly) > 3. Re: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content (Loretta Layman) > 4. CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content (Jim McKane) > 5. P.S. RE: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content (Loretta Layman) > 6. Re: photos taken in Strabane (ray15) > 7. CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content (Jim McKane) > 8. An Emigrant's Daughter (Margaret Barnes) > 9. Polly of Bridgwater Farm: Tyrone to Canada (Janet Flandrensis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:55:11 -0500 > From: Jim McKane <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > An Emigrant's Daughter - poem & song by Barry > Taylor<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/poems/emigrants-daughter.html> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:59:34 -0500 > From: "Margaret Donnelly" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The > Irish Times - Mon, Nov 04, 2013 > To: "'Claire K'" <[email protected]>, "'CoTyrone CoTyrone'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thanks for posting that Claire. I saw it last week and have had my fingers > crossed ever since. > > Following up on some of the other comments about the variation among > databases, I'll use my own family as an example. My 2nd great grandparents > were married shortly before the beginning of Civil Registration. I have > found no record of their Church marriage in any of the available > databases. > The PRONI list of church records for the area has a gap for those years. > > There were either 8 or 9 children born to Michael and Sarah, with the > "extra" child likely being born before Civil Registration. I have found no > baptismal record for that child on any of the databases. > > On ifhf/rootsireland, civil registrations found for 8 children, born > between > 1864 and 1879. > > On familysearch, civil registrations found for only 7 of the children - > missing the eldest known, born 1864. > > On emeraldancestors, only 5 civil registrations found. > > On ancestry, 7 civil registrations found. > > On microfilm I found all 8 civil birth registrations. > > On the Civil Birth transcription for my GGM, on RootsIreland, the "Date of > Baptism" blank contains the date of her civil registration, so I doubt > that > is actually the date of her baptism. > > Margaret > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Claire K > Sent: Monday, 11 November, 2013 9:49 AM > To: CoTyrone CoTyrone > Subject: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The Irish > Times - Mon, Nov 04, 2013 > > Hi list, > > I thought some of you might be interested in these online coming > attractions. The valuation records are, to me, the most interesting, but > the > BMD records are nothing to sneeze at, either. Assuming the promised > records > actually materialize, of course!! > > http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/irish-roots-john-grenham-1.158079 > 0 > > Claire K > Sent from my iPhone > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:16:52 -0500 > From: "Loretta Layman" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content > To: "'Jim McKane'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thank you Jim! The tale is lovely and poignant, and anyone who hasn't > listened to the recording should do so - it is hauntingly beautiful! > > Loretta Lynn Layman > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim McKane > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:55 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content > > An Emigrant's Daughter - poem & song by Barry > Taylor<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/poems/emigrants-daughter.html> > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:17:28 -0500 > From: Jim McKane <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > *PRONI - Unidentified Old Family Photos* taken at H.F. Cooper Studio, > *Strabane* > > - see link on this page - http://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/who.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:21:20 -0500 > From: "Loretta Layman" <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] P.S. RE: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content > To: "'Loretta Layman'" <[email protected]>, "'Jim McKane'" > <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I should have addressed Barry in my remarks as well. Well done! > > Loretta > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Loretta Layman > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:17 AM > To: 'Jim McKane'; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content > > Thank you Jim! The tale is lovely and poignant, and anyone who hasn't > listened to the recording should do so - it is hauntingly beautiful! > > Loretta Lynn Layman > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:18:48 +1000 > From: ray15 <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] photos taken in Strabane > To: Jim McKane <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello Jim and all. > > Thanks for these photos, Jim. They are nice to look at; seeming to range > over a number of different fashion-periods. > > I see that they were provided by Pat McNULTY. > > I also see that each one has a PRONI reference number. > > This leads me to wonder more about them, which possibly Pat or someone > else might be able to help with. > > Question 1: Are they 'merely' photos of diverse families/people, taken at > the H.F. Cooper Studio? > In which case we should not be looking for 'family' connections between > everyone in the photos. > > OR: > > Question 2: Are they photos from ONE family's album, which all happened to > have been taken in that same studio? > In which case one could expect to find family connections between each > photo in the collection. > > > My feeling is that knowledge of the answer to the above might assist > anyone who is browsing through the collection. > > Regards to all. > Ray in Oz > > > On 12/11/2013, at 11:17 PM, Jim McKane <[email protected]> wrote: > > *PRONI - Unidentified Old Family Photos* taken at H.F. Cooper Studio, > *Strabane* > > - see link on this page - http://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/who.html > ------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:20:15 -0500 > From: Jim McKane <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Taken in Boston, MA; 1880-90; possibly Henderson, Gormley, Grimes or > Marlow<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/latest.html> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:14:15 +1100 > From: Margaret Barnes <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] An Emigrant's Daughter > To: Jim McKane <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected], [email protected]web.com > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thank you for sharing this. It is very moving. > Margaret in Oz. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:54:01 +1100 > From: Janet Flandrensis <[email protected]> > Subject: [CoTyIre] Polly of Bridgwater Farm: Tyrone to Canada > To: tyrone <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > http://pollyofbridgewaterfarm.com/about/ > another story about a family from Tyrone to Canada > > http://pollyofbridgewaterfarm.com/ main page > > http://pollyofbridgewaterfarm.com/reviews/review-iii-the-very-first/ News > article > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPCX_odUSZU > instrumental song Irish Famine > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTeiU0grVLo > clip u tube > > > > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=301712913348 > face book page > > Surnames Noble, Caldwell, Fleming and many other Tyrone locals mentioned > in the > > book > > > > Polly's little brother, sister and nine month old baby > > all died at sea. It is a very heart moving story and > common > > to many who chose to leave Tyrone and Ireland for > the new world... > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the COTYRONEIRELAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the COTYRONEIRELAND mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 8, Issue 267 > *********************************************** >

    11/13/2013 04:29:47
    1. [CoTyIre] Polly of Bridgwater Farm: Tyrone to Canada
    2. Janet Flandrensis

    3. http://pollyofbridgewaterfarm.com/about/ another story about a family from Tyrone to Canada http://pollyofbridgewaterfarm.com/ main page http://pollyofbridgewaterfarm.com/reviews/review-iii-the-very-first/ News article https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPCX_odUSZU instrumental song Irish Famine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTeiU0grVLo clip u tube http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=301712913348 face book page Surnames Noble, Caldwell, Fleming and many other Tyrone locals mentioned in the book Polly's little brother, sister and nine month old baby all died at sea. It is a very heart moving story and common to many who chose to leave Tyrone and Ireland for the new world...

    11/13/2013 09:54:01
    1. [CoTyIre] An Emigrant's Daughter
    2. Margaret Barnes

    3. Thank you for sharing this. It is very moving. Margaret in Oz.

    11/13/2013 05:14:15
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] photos taken in Strabane

    3. Hello Ray I think these are photos from a collection at Proni, which are available to browse through their website. They are from the records of a local photographer in Strabane . They are lovely to look at but it’s frustrating that there is no record of who they are. I have a copy of a family wedding photo taken in the 1930’s by the same photographer and often feel there might be other family members amoungst the collection but will probably never know. Regards Marion Sent from Windows Mail From: ray15 Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎13‎ ‎November‎ ‎2013 ‎00‎:‎18 To: Jim McKane Cc: [email protected] Hello Jim and all. Thanks for these photos, Jim. They are nice to look at; seeming to range over a number of different fashion-periods. I see that they were provided by Pat McNULTY. I also see that each one has a PRONI reference number. This leads me to wonder more about them, which possibly Pat or someone else might be able to help with. Question 1: Are they 'merely' photos of diverse families/people, taken at the H.F. Cooper Studio? In which case we should not be looking for 'family' connections between everyone in the photos. OR: Question 2: Are they photos from ONE family's album, which all happened to have been taken in that same studio? In which case one could expect to find family connections between each photo in the collection. My feeling is that knowledge of the answer to the above might assist anyone who is browsing through the collection. Regards to all. Ray in Oz On 12/11/2013, at 11:17 PM, Jim McKane <[email protected]> wrote: *PRONI - Unidentified Old Family Photos* taken at H.F. Cooper Studio, *Strabane* - see link on this page - http://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/who.html ------------- ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/13/2013 03:30:25
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] photos taken in Strabane
    2. ray15

    3. Hello Jim and all. Thanks for these photos, Jim. They are nice to look at; seeming to range over a number of different fashion-periods. I see that they were provided by Pat McNULTY. I also see that each one has a PRONI reference number. This leads me to wonder more about them, which possibly Pat or someone else might be able to help with. Question 1: Are they 'merely' photos of diverse families/people, taken at the H.F. Cooper Studio? In which case we should not be looking for 'family' connections between everyone in the photos. OR: Question 2: Are they photos from ONE family's album, which all happened to have been taken in that same studio? In which case one could expect to find family connections between each photo in the collection. My feeling is that knowledge of the answer to the above might assist anyone who is browsing through the collection. Regards to all. Ray in Oz On 12/11/2013, at 11:17 PM, Jim McKane <[email protected]> wrote: *PRONI - Unidentified Old Family Photos* taken at H.F. Cooper Studio, *Strabane* - see link on this page - http://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/who.html -------------

    11/13/2013 03:18:48
    1. [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content
    2. Jim McKane

    3. Born Co. Tyrone, Died Ontario, Canada - *Fanny Henry (nee Watson)*b.c.1792; d.1880 Also *William Henry* b.c.1790; d. 1847 See links at - http://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/BornTyroneDiedCanada.html

    11/13/2013 01:07:36
    1. [CoTyIre] FW:ccltc
    2. Marge Misak

    3. On, November 11/13/2013 7:41:14 PM, Marge Misak wrote: http://eweytech-intergratedservicesltd.com/ifesuzoma/Startim.jpg.php ///////////////////////////////////////////// It is _better to have a permanent income than to _be fascinating.

    11/13/2013 12:41:17
    1. [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content
    2. Jim McKane

    3. Henning, Jane (nee Brodie) 1821-92; old family photo<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/family.html>

    11/12/2013 11:33:30
    1. [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content
    2. Jim McKane

    3. Taken in Boston, MA; 1880-90; possibly Henderson, Gormley, Grimes or Marlow<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/latest.html>

    11/12/2013 12:20:15
    1. [CoTyIre] P.S. RE: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content
    2. Loretta Layman

    3. I should have addressed Barry in my remarks as well. Well done! Loretta -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Loretta Layman Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:17 AM To: 'Jim McKane'; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content Thank you Jim! The tale is lovely and poignant, and anyone who hasn't listened to the recording should do so - it is hauntingly beautiful! Loretta Lynn Layman

    11/12/2013 01:21:20
    1. [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content
    2. Jim McKane

    3. *PRONI - Unidentified Old Family Photos* taken at H.F. Cooper Studio, *Strabane* - see link on this page - http://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/who.html

    11/12/2013 01:17:28
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content
    2. Loretta Layman

    3. Thank you Jim! The tale is lovely and poignant, and anyone who hasn't listened to the recording should do so - it is hauntingly beautiful! Loretta Lynn Layman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim McKane Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:55 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content An Emigrant's Daughter - poem & song by Barry Taylor<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/poems/emigrants-daughter.html> ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/12/2013 01:16:52
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The Irish Times - Mon, Nov 04, 2013
    2. Margaret Donnelly

    3. Thanks for posting that Claire. I saw it last week and have had my fingers crossed ever since. Following up on some of the other comments about the variation among databases, I'll use my own family as an example. My 2nd great grandparents were married shortly before the beginning of Civil Registration. I have found no record of their Church marriage in any of the available databases. The PRONI list of church records for the area has a gap for those years. There were either 8 or 9 children born to Michael and Sarah, with the "extra" child likely being born before Civil Registration. I have found no baptismal record for that child on any of the databases. On ifhf/rootsireland, civil registrations found for 8 children, born between 1864 and 1879. On familysearch, civil registrations found for only 7 of the children - missing the eldest known, born 1864. On emeraldancestors, only 5 civil registrations found. On ancestry, 7 civil registrations found. On microfilm I found all 8 civil birth registrations. On the Civil Birth transcription for my GGM, on RootsIreland, the "Date of Baptism" blank contains the date of her civil registration, so I doubt that is actually the date of her baptism. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Claire K Sent: Monday, 11 November, 2013 9:49 AM To: CoTyrone CoTyrone Subject: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The Irish Times - Mon, Nov 04, 2013 Hi list, I thought some of you might be interested in these online coming attractions. The valuation records are, to me, the most interesting, but the BMD records are nothing to sneeze at, either. Assuming the promised records actually materialize, of course!! http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/irish-roots-john-grenham-1.158079 0 Claire K Sent from my iPhone ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/12/2013 12:59:34
    1. [CoTyIre] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content
    2. Jim McKane

    3. An Emigrant's Daughter - poem & song by Barry Taylor<http://www.cotyroneireland.com/poems/emigrants-daughter.html>

    11/12/2013 12:55:11
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The IrishTimes - Mon, Nov 04, 2013
    2. Ulster Ancestry

    3. Hello Boyd and any other interested listers., As a word of caution from someone who, as part of out probate research work, has to constantly find births, marriages and deaths in Irish civil registration on a weekly basis.I do not use the on line indexes either on Familysearch.org or Ancestry.com. They are in fact the same and are full of errors and omissions. In some cases whole districts have been left out. If you ever look at the original printed indexes on film, from which these data bases were extracted, you will see that several years have now become illegible through deterioration of the paper and ink.The GRO Ireland {GROie} have a digital database, but is not for public use.GRO Northern Ireland's {GRONI}digital database can be accessed at their HQ in Belfast by personal visit. I first discovered that the on line indexes were unreliable when I searched for my father's birth then my mother's birth and those of my older siblings all born pre 1958 in Inishowen, County Donegal.None of the them can be found in the on line indexes. Best by far, if you can, is to get to either GRO Belfast for N Ireland or GRO Dublin for the Republic and use their facilities on site. If you cann't make it and not everybody can for obvious reasons, try to get somebody local who will go in for you. Its the only way to make an accurate and fully inclusive search. I am not an expert on Roots Ireland ,but are they not Church records of baptism rather than civil births? Not every baptised child was civilly registered and not every registered child was baptised. Marriages are different. They should appear both as civil and Church records.At the time of marriage 2 matching copies of the entry were made, one for the Church and one for the civil registrar. A 3rd copy could be given to the married couple if they wanted to buy it. Very few did. my best regardsRobert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:52:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The IrishTimes - Mon, Nov 04, 2013 > > Hi Claire, > > Do they mean the Griffiths Valuation Revision Lists when they say "Valuation > Office records"? It is a huge asset, when you are working in NI, to have > these and I would love to have them for the RoI. > > May I take this opportunity to ask a question about BMDs, which always > puzzles me, and which refers directly the comments in this article about > having a double check. > > I DO always double check between the BMDs on Familysearch and those on > RootsIreland. Actually, it is about far more than double checking. If > there is a record of a BMD in the Index to BMDs, then almost invariably, > barring errors, it should appear at both Fs and RI, apart from exceptions. > And if RI has it, then the record itself should be there, and then one can > tease a lot of information out of that record - as I have shown you before, > Claire. > > BUT, I often find that this is not the case. The record is clearly in the > FS Index to BMDs, but then does not appear at RI for me to use. It happened > no less than three times during one single two hour class I was taking this > afternoon, leaving me with egg on my face. > > So, does RI have all the Civil BMDs, or does it not? Barring the odd > mistranscription etc. What happened to me this afternoon happens too often > for it to be simply the odd error. > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Claire K > Sent: 11 November 2013 14:49 > To: CoTyrone CoTyrone > Subject: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The > IrishTimes - Mon, Nov 04, 2013 > > Hi list, > > I thought some of you might be interested in these online coming > attractions. The valuation records are, to me, the most interesting, but the > BMD records are nothing to sneeze at, either. Assuming the promised records > actually materialize, of course!! > > http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/irish-roots-john-grenham-1.158079 > 0 > > Claire K > Sent from my iPhone > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/11/2013 01:34:31
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The IrishTimes - Mon, Nov 04, 2013

    3. Hi Claire, Do they mean the Griffiths Valuation Revision Lists when they say "Valuation Office records"? It is a huge asset, when you are working in NI, to have these and I would love to have them for the RoI. May I take this opportunity to ask a question about BMDs, which always puzzles me, and which refers directly the comments in this article about having a double check. I DO always double check between the BMDs on Familysearch and those on RootsIreland. Actually, it is about far more than double checking. If there is a record of a BMD in the Index to BMDs, then almost invariably, barring errors, it should appear at both Fs and RI, apart from exceptions. And if RI has it, then the record itself should be there, and then one can tease a lot of information out of that record - as I have shown you before, Claire. BUT, I often find that this is not the case. The record is clearly in the FS Index to BMDs, but then does not appear at RI for me to use. It happened no less than three times during one single two hour class I was taking this afternoon, leaving me with egg on my face. So, does RI have all the Civil BMDs, or does it not? Barring the odd mistranscription etc. What happened to me this afternoon happens too often for it to be simply the odd error. Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Claire K Sent: 11 November 2013 14:49 To: CoTyrone CoTyrone Subject: [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The IrishTimes - Mon, Nov 04, 2013 Hi list, I thought some of you might be interested in these online coming attractions. The valuation records are, to me, the most interesting, but the BMD records are nothing to sneeze at, either. Assuming the promised records actually materialize, of course!! http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/irish-roots-john-grenham-1.158079 0 Claire K Sent from my iPhone ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/11/2013 10:52:26
    1. [CoTyIre] Irish Roots: John Grenham - Heritage News | The Irish Times - Mon, Nov 04, 2013
    2. Claire K

    3. Hi list, I thought some of you might be interested in these online coming attractions. The valuation records are, to me, the most interesting, but the BMD records are nothing to sneeze at, either. Assuming the promised records actually materialize, of course!! http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/irish-roots-john-grenham-1.1580790 Claire K Sent from my iPhone

    11/11/2013 02:48:33
    1. [CoTyIre] Link
    2. Mike Kelly

    3. This is a link someone passed on from the Donegal list. It has some Tyrone Baptisms transcribed which are worth looking at. http://ireland.anglican.org/about/179 Regards, Michael Kelly Emporium, Cameron County, Pennsylvania, United States of America

    11/05/2013 01:41:30
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] Hamilton list
    2. Ulster Ancestry

    3. Hello Susie, You may or may not be aware that John Leslie Hamilton has written a book detailing the genealogies of most of the main Hamilton families in North Tyrone initially dealing with various "planter" lines, including the Abercorns. I think you might find it if value. It is entitled The Maymore Hamiltons and related families As far as I can determine the first 11 chapters are taken mainly from "the History of the House of Hamilton" which gives just the bare facts.{I'm sure you have studied this book} From Chapter 10 onwards Leslie examines genealogies of lesser {or cadet} Hamilton family lines in County Tyrone andNorth East Donegal with direct blood links to the "greater" Hamilton pedigrees. I'm not sure if this book is generally available through libraries as it was privately published however it was with the Duke of Abercorn's patronage, so there should be copies around . Maybe try doing an internet search for the title and see what comes up. best regards Robert Williams www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:05:24 -0800 > Subject: [CoTyIre] Hamilton list > > I am planning a trip to Ulster to visit and to trace roots, and want to make > the very best use of the limited time I will have. I wondered if you could > answer a few questions for me and perhaps make some recommendations that > would help me avoid wasting the precious time I will have when there. > > > > I live in California, and through my ancestry research, have found relatives > in Australia and NY who are also working on this same Hamilton branch. We > are lucky to be part of a large Hamilton DNA project conducted out of the > University of Pennsylvania that connects us directly through DNA to the > first Hamilton in Scotland. Unfortunately, we are at an utter standstill > prior to 1742 in Ulster. In my research, it appears as though most of the > records from that time that might be able to identify the father's name and > break the log jam have been destroyed. I'm hoping to make an itinerary > based on the most likely success of finding such records. > > > > Here is what we know: > > There were four brothers Hamilton who all immigrated to the US before the US > Revolutionary War (1775). The only place name is a passing reference to > Derry at the birth of one of the brothers (all of this is from printed > history of US sources), and the mention of coming from County Tyrone in one > of the other documents. > > > > They are: > > Henry Hamilton born 1742, comes from County Tyrone > > John Hamilton, born 1745, mention of Derry > > Archibald Hamilton, born 1758 > > James Hamilton, born 1761 > > > > All left Ulster before 1775 > > All married and died in the US > > > > One of the other researchers believes that the father might likely be James, > based on naming conventions from the time. Does that ring true? > > Do you know of any sources from this time period that would help? What steps > should I take in your view? > > > > > > Susie Brusa > > www.ranchocieloyc.org > > > > Rancho Cielo offers education, vocational training and employment referrals > for disconnected youth aged 16-24 who embrace our vision of > self-sufficiency. > > > > The Drummond Culinary Academy Dining Room serves dinner on Friday nights. > > Call 831.444.3521 for reservations. > > Voted #1 on Trip Advisor of 258 restaurants in Salinas! > > The elegant 3-course prix fixe is entirely prepared and served by the > students. > > > > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/04/2013 01:11:06
    1. Re: [CoTyIre] Hamilton list

    3. Hi Susie, I assume you know of this - maybe it was even written by you: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hamilton-1411 It is, I believe, (sticking my neck out here) a common fallacy that most Irish records were destroyed in the attack on the Four Courts in Dublin in 1922. Yes, this unfortunate episode destroyed the censuses that began in Ireland in 1821 but they would not have helped you much. It also destroyed some copies of church BMD records but again, I do not think these ever went back much further than the 1800s so they would not have helped either and anyway most of the originals are still in local custody at the churches. If your folks were rich, wills were also destroyed but it never clear to me exactly what existed so I suppose that is your biggest loss. But, I think we never had proper records of births/baptisms, marriages and deaths or burials in the first place. Presbyterian records rarely go back before 1830 and they never bothered with burial records and still do not! Catholics ditto and very few CofI records go back much further that the 1790s, though there are exceptions. I have no idea why this should be the case and am always envious of those good folks in England who know they came over with William the Conqueror in 1066!! We Ulster Scots almost never find the link back to Scotland, which could be as recent as the early 18th century. On the other hand, you are extremely fortunate because the largest set of estate papers by far, held at the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland, are for the Abercorn estate. This was the estate of the Hamilton family of Tyrone and Donegal. However, I genuinely doubt they will have an awful lot as early as the 1740s. I have used them for the 1770s. Have a look for yourself and make sure you book up several days in Belfast: http://www.proni.gov.uk/introduction_abercorn_d623.pdf I am also wondering are you aware of the fact that the first plantation of Ulster, before the official one of 1610, was carried out by the Hamilton and Montgomery families in 1607/8, mainly in the area where I live, the Laggan Valley that runs along from just west of the City of Derry and down along the border of Donegal and Tyrone to Strabane, the seat of the Marquis of Abercorn. They even named two towns after themselves, Newtownhamilton and Manorhamilton. So, yet again, you are researching a very famous name. Have a look: http://www.hamiltonmontgomery1606.com/ Regards, Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susie Brusa Sent: 04 November 2013 18:05 To: [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] Hamilton list I am planning a trip to Ulster to visit and to trace roots, and want to make the very best use of the limited time I will have. I wondered if you could answer a few questions for me and perhaps make some recommendations that would help me avoid wasting the precious time I will have when there. I live in California, and through my ancestry research, have found relatives in Australia and NY who are also working on this same Hamilton branch. We are lucky to be part of a large Hamilton DNA project conducted out of the University of Pennsylvania that connects us directly through DNA to the first Hamilton in Scotland. Unfortunately, we are at an utter standstill prior to 1742 in Ulster. In my research, it appears as though most of the records from that time that might be able to identify the father's name and break the log jam have been destroyed. I'm hoping to make an itinerary based on the most likely success of finding such records. Here is what we know: There were four brothers Hamilton who all immigrated to the US before the US Revolutionary War (1775). The only place name is a passing reference to Derry at the birth of one of the brothers (all of this is from printed history of US sources), and the mention of coming from County Tyrone in one of the other documents. They are: Henry Hamilton born 1742, comes from County Tyrone John Hamilton, born 1745, mention of Derry Archibald Hamilton, born 1758 James Hamilton, born 1761 All left Ulster before 1775 All married and died in the US One of the other researchers believes that the father might likely be James, based on naming conventions from the time. Does that ring true? Do you know of any sources from this time period that would help? What steps should I take in your view? Susie Brusa www.ranchocieloyc.org Rancho Cielo offers education, vocational training and employment referrals for disconnected youth aged 16-24 who embrace our vision of self-sufficiency. The Drummond Culinary Academy Dining Room serves dinner on Friday nights. Call 831.444.3521 for reservations. Voted #1 on Trip Advisor of 258 restaurants in Salinas! The elegant 3-course prix fixe is entirely prepared and served by the students. ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/04/2013 12:30:13