Not doyennes, surely! Last I knew, both Boyd and Robert were men. :-) Claire K Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2015, at 8:16 PM, catherine trewby via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > ...Jessie best wishes for your research......you have had some good advice from > two of the doyennes of Irish research Robert and Boyd....

I couldn't agree more, Susan! Google Books is a good source for old books, as well as other free sources. Also, consider looking for family histories for all connected surnames and local histories. For instance, I discovered there is a historical society for Omagh, the area most of my family came from and they recently published a lovely book about the area. Also, there is a Facebook group and website for the Glennely Valley. We need to think outside the box, as trite as that sounds. Kathleen Cooper Researching from Southern California On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Susan Elliott via < cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I have enjoyed reading the recent posts regarding the availability of > records. > > I sincerely hope that I do not offend anyone with this post. > > I have been researching my Northern Ireland ancestors since the 1980's. > > I recently read Jonathan Bardon's book "The Plantation of Ulster". Being > a 5th generation Australian we were not taught about this topic which is > part of who I am. I therefore found the book extremely informative and > rivetting reading. It provided so much historical information and put my > research into perspective for me. > > I am sure that there are countless other equally informative books > available. I would certainly recommend becoming familiar with the times we > are researching. > > I am currently in a brick wall position with trying to pinpoint a location > for two of my ancestors but have been there before and broken through that > wall. This site has been instrumental in me getting as far as I have. My > grateful thanks to all. > > Susan Elliott > Melbourne Australia > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Cuimhnigh ar na daoine ónar tháinig tú* *"Remember the men whence you came."*

I think the reason my search has come up dry is because nobody recorded the information that I need. I hired professional who could find nothing so I must regretfully come to the conclusion that I will likely never find my Irish roots. I know my great-great-grandparents came from County Tyrone but can only find records of their existence in New Brunswick, Canada where they were married in 1833. I so wish I could find parents' names and/or siblings, but so far there is nothing. Helen Kelley Edwards Victoria, BC Canada On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 5:16 PM, catherine trewby via < cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hear hear Boyd. The events of 1922, in Dublin, and its effects on > searching > for Irish records is the usually quoted one. > > I worry that people will be turned off searching in Ireland because it is > 'too hard' (based on the misinformation that is around). In believing this > they miss out on finding out about their own people, and also the thrill of > the chase or 'slow walk, in my case to locate records, check records, > marvel at how spellings have changed and have a little detour into history. > > > Jessie best wishes for your research......you have had some good advice > from > two of the doyennes of Irish research Robert and Boyd. > > Cathy in NZ > > > On 18/04/15 1:14 AM, "Boyd Gray via" <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I have bristled long enough at this thread! Let me try to help. > > > > 1. No churches were ever burned in Ireland during any "civil wars". > > > > 2. There was no "uprising in Belfast" in 1922. There were the final > > skirmishes in the only civil war in the 19th or 20th centuries in 1922 > but > > it was in Dublin not Belfast. The brief "Uprising of 1916" was also in > > Dublin. > > > > 3. While a lot of records were blown up when the Irish Government forces > > fired on the IRA rebels holed up with their magazine in the public > records > > stores in the Four Courts in Dublin in 1922, including four of the > censuses > > from the 19th century, the vast majority of Church of Ireland records are > > still intact and available in the churches and the ones for Tyrone (and > the > > rest of Northern Ireland) are on microfilm for public viewing at PRONI in > > Belfast. And all of the records ever kept of Catholic and Presbyterian > > baptisms and marriages, and they make up about 90% of the population, are > > still in existence both locally and on microfilm at PRONI. Have a look > > here: > > http://www.proni.gov.uk/guide_to_church_records.pdf > > > > 4. No government ever put a tax on the recording of births, which in the > > 1820s was carried out by the Church of Ireland but mostly ignored by the > > majority Catholic and, in Ulster, the Presbyterian population. > > > > 5. While the Repeal of the Tests and Corporations Acts in 1828 did > indeed > > give more religious freedom to Catholics and Presbyterians, the > > Presbyterians had always in practice been exempted from these > restrictions > > by annual Redemption Acts which wiped out the previous years offenses so > the > > Presbyterians did not in effect notice much difference. More to the > point, > > Presbyterians tend to thrive on persecution, they believe strongly in > their > > faith and they would most certainly not be so cowed that they would only > > convert to Presbyterianism after any government recognized their church. > > > > 6. St Michael's Castlecaulfield is still a thriving Church of Ireland > > church: > > > https://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Michaels-Castlecaulfield-St-Patricks-Donag > > hmore/133150336737236 > > I have never ever heard of any Church of Ireland church becoming a > > Presbyterian church. Apart from anything else, their design is totally > > inimical to stern Presbyterianism. > > > > I will agree that the biggest gap still to be filled in Irish ONLINE > > genealogy is church records but that is the same for anywhere in the UK > and > > is soon to be partially corrected by an Irish Government project to out > all > > Catholic registers online within the year. However, most though not all > > Catholic records only begin circa 1850, Presbyterian circa 1830 and > Church > > of Ireland circa 1800. And many of them are lost simply because > clergymen > > did not regard them as very important. And neither Catholics or > > Presbyterians recorded burials. > > > > I hope people find this as helpful as it is intended to be and that I > have > > cleared up a few misapprehensions. > > > > Boyd Gray > > > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luke Fowler > via > > Sent: 17 April 2015 06:01 > > To: Jessie Engan > > Cc: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Lack of baptism data > > > > Most of the churches were also burned during civil wars.. Usually > religious > > basis > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On 16 Apr 2015, at 10:14 pm, Jessie Engan via > > <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Josephine, I have the same problem for baptism records of children > > of > >> my g g grandmother in Tyrone. There are 2-3 reasons. About 1820 I > > understand > >> the government put a tax on recording births, which many couldn't afford > > to > >> pay. Secondly 40-50% of the records of BMD were burned in Belfast > > uprising > >> in 1922. Thirdly, in 1820 the government recognized the Presbyterian > >> church, and many switched to the Presbyterian Church. I visited a Tyrone > >> church, St. Michael's in Castlecaulfield, and it was C of I ,but became > a > >> Presbyterian church after the 1820 change. It is a very discouraging > >> situation, especially since many web sites only have data AFTER > >> registration became required about 1845. Jessie. > >> > >> ------------- > >> Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Most of the churches were also burned during civil wars.. Usually religious basis Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Apr 2015, at 10:14 pm, Jessie Engan via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear Josephine, I have the same problem for baptism records of children of > my g g grandmother in Tyrone. There are 2-3 reasons. About 1820 I understand > the government put a tax on recording births, which many couldn't afford to > pay. Secondly 40-50% of the records of BMD were burned in Belfast uprising > in 1922. Thirdly, in 1820 the government recognized the Presbyterian > church, and many switched to the Presbyterian Church. I visited a Tyrone > church, St. Michael's in Castlecaulfield, and it was C of I ,but became a > Presbyterian church after the 1820 change. It is a very discouraging > situation, especially since many web sites only have data AFTER > registration became required about 1845. Jessie. > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have bristled long enough at this thread! Let me try to help. 1. No churches were ever burned in Ireland during any "civil wars". 2. There was no "uprising in Belfast" in 1922. There were the final skirmishes in the only civil war in the 19th or 20th centuries in 1922 but it was in Dublin not Belfast. The brief "Uprising of 1916" was also in Dublin. 3. While a lot of records were blown up when the Irish Government forces fired on the IRA rebels holed up with their magazine in the public records stores in the Four Courts in Dublin in 1922, including four of the censuses from the 19th century, the vast majority of Church of Ireland records are still intact and available in the churches and the ones for Tyrone (and the rest of Northern Ireland) are on microfilm for public viewing at PRONI in Belfast. And all of the records ever kept of Catholic and Presbyterian baptisms and marriages, and they make up about 90% of the population, are still in existence both locally and on microfilm at PRONI. Have a look here: http://www.proni.gov.uk/guide_to_church_records.pdf 4. No government ever put a tax on the recording of births, which in the 1820s was carried out by the Church of Ireland but mostly ignored by the majority Catholic and, in Ulster, the Presbyterian population. 5. While the Repeal of the Tests and Corporations Acts in 1828 did indeed give more religious freedom to Catholics and Presbyterians, the Presbyterians had always in practice been exempted from these restrictions by annual Redemption Acts which wiped out the previous years offenses so the Presbyterians did not in effect notice much difference. More to the point, Presbyterians tend to thrive on persecution, they believe strongly in their faith and they would most certainly not be so cowed that they would only convert to Presbyterianism after any government recognized their church. 6. St Michael's Castlecaulfield is still a thriving Church of Ireland church: https://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Michaels-Castlecaulfield-St-Patricks-Donag hmore/133150336737236 I have never ever heard of any Church of Ireland church becoming a Presbyterian church. Apart from anything else, their design is totally inimical to stern Presbyterianism. I will agree that the biggest gap still to be filled in Irish ONLINE genealogy is church records but that is the same for anywhere in the UK and is soon to be partially corrected by an Irish Government project to out all Catholic registers online within the year. However, most though not all Catholic records only begin circa 1850, Presbyterian circa 1830 and Church of Ireland circa 1800. And many of them are lost simply because clergymen did not regard them as very important. And neither Catholics or Presbyterians recorded burials. I hope people find this as helpful as it is intended to be and that I have cleared up a few misapprehensions. Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy -----Original Message----- From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luke Fowler via Sent: 17 April 2015 06:01 To: Jessie Engan Cc: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Lack of baptism data Most of the churches were also burned during civil wars.. Usually religious basis Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Apr 2015, at 10:14 pm, Jessie Engan via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear Josephine, I have the same problem for baptism records of children of > my g g grandmother in Tyrone. There are 2-3 reasons. About 1820 I understand > the government put a tax on recording births, which many couldn't afford to > pay. Secondly 40-50% of the records of BMD were burned in Belfast uprising > in 1922. Thirdly, in 1820 the government recognized the Presbyterian > church, and many switched to the Presbyterian Church. I visited a Tyrone > church, St. Michael's in Castlecaulfield, and it was C of I ,but became a > Presbyterian church after the 1820 change. It is a very discouraging > situation, especially since many web sites only have data AFTER > registration became required about 1845. Jessie. > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well said Boyd. I agree with everything you have said. You are of course correct on all points. I found the complete ignorance{or maybe to be kind, mis-conception} of Irish history expressed in these recent postings quite shocking. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > To: teamfowler@gmail.com; jengan@verizon.net > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 14:14:27 +0100 > CC: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Lack of baptism data > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > I have bristled long enough at this thread! Let me try to help. > > 1. No churches were ever burned in Ireland during any "civil wars". > > 2. There was no "uprising in Belfast" in 1922. There were the final > skirmishes in the only civil war in the 19th or 20th centuries in 1922 but > it was in Dublin not Belfast. The brief "Uprising of 1916" was also in > Dublin. > > 3. While a lot of records were blown up when the Irish Government forces > fired on the IRA rebels holed up with their magazine in the public records > stores in the Four Courts in Dublin in 1922, including four of the censuses > from the 19th century, the vast majority of Church of Ireland records are > still intact and available in the churches and the ones for Tyrone (and the > rest of Northern Ireland) are on microfilm for public viewing at PRONI in > Belfast. And all of the records ever kept of Catholic and Presbyterian > baptisms and marriages, and they make up about 90% of the population, are > still in existence both locally and on microfilm at PRONI. Have a look > here: > http://www.proni.gov.uk/guide_to_church_records.pdf > > 4. No government ever put a tax on the recording of births, which in the > 1820s was carried out by the Church of Ireland but mostly ignored by the > majority Catholic and, in Ulster, the Presbyterian population. > > 5. While the Repeal of the Tests and Corporations Acts in 1828 did indeed > give more religious freedom to Catholics and Presbyterians, the > Presbyterians had always in practice been exempted from these restrictions > by annual Redemption Acts which wiped out the previous years offenses so the > Presbyterians did not in effect notice much difference. More to the point, > Presbyterians tend to thrive on persecution, they believe strongly in their > faith and they would most certainly not be so cowed that they would only > convert to Presbyterianism after any government recognized their church. > > 6. St Michael's Castlecaulfield is still a thriving Church of Ireland > church: > https://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Michaels-Castlecaulfield-St-Patricks-Donag > hmore/133150336737236 > I have never ever heard of any Church of Ireland church becoming a > Presbyterian church. Apart from anything else, their design is totally > inimical to stern Presbyterianism. > > I will agree that the biggest gap still to be filled in Irish ONLINE > genealogy is church records but that is the same for anywhere in the UK and > is soon to be partially corrected by an Irish Government project to out all > Catholic registers online within the year. However, most though not all > Catholic records only begin circa 1850, Presbyterian circa 1830 and Church > of Ireland circa 1800. And many of them are lost simply because clergymen > did not regard them as very important. And neither Catholics or > Presbyterians recorded burials. > > I hope people find this as helpful as it is intended to be and that I have > cleared up a few misapprehensions. > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > http://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cotyroneireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Luke Fowler via > Sent: 17 April 2015 06:01 > To: Jessie Engan > Cc: <COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Lack of baptism data > > Most of the churches were also burned during civil wars.. Usually religious > basis > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 16 Apr 2015, at 10:14 pm, Jessie Engan via > <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > Dear Josephine, I have the same problem for baptism records of children > of > > my g g grandmother in Tyrone. There are 2-3 reasons. About 1820 I > understand > > the government put a tax on recording births, which many couldn't afford > to > > pay. Secondly 40-50% of the records of BMD were burned in Belfast > uprising > > in 1922. Thirdly, in 1820 the government recognized the Presbyterian > > church, and many switched to the Presbyterian Church. I visited a Tyrone > > church, St. Michael's in Castlecaulfield, and it was C of I ,but became a > > Presbyterian church after the 1820 change. It is a very discouraging > > situation, especially since many web sites only have data AFTER > > registration became required about 1845. Jessie. > > > > ------------- > > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder of anyone in the community has information on the Morrisons of Cornamaddy, Pomeroy? My ancestor, James Morrison, died in Glasgow in 1869, aged 46. A presbyterian, he emigrated from Ireland, probably in the early 1850s. He and his family appear in the Glasgow census returns for 1861 but not 1851. The place of birth of him, his wife Agnes (nee Heron) and his eldest chilld Elizabeth (born c. 1853-55 ) are recorded as Ireland. Agnes was born in c.1827-1829 In the birth records of their children born in Glasgow, James and Agnes record their marriage as taking place in Belfast in July 1847. My research has found no trace of this wedding. In registering James's death, Agnes recorded his parents as Foster Morrison, a farmer, and Elizabeth (nee Haynford). The only Foster Morrison I could find was a tenant farmer from Cornamaddy, Pomeroy. His wife was indeed an Elizabeth and he had a son, James, born in 1823. However, it seems this James, already a widower at the age of 22, married an Isabella Boyd of Turnabason (daughter of William) in Pomeroy in August, 1845. (The Griffith's Valuations show an Isabella Morrison as a tenant in the parish of Donaghenry, Dungannon but I don't know if this the same person.) Foster Morrison appears in the Griffith's Valuation as a tenant farmer. The adjoining plot was also farmed by a Morrison, possibly a relative. The Morrisons farmed these farms until at least the early 20th century. I would be very grateful if anyone has any information on my ancestor's family or any of the families possibly linked to him and also for any advice on how to proceed further with my research. John Morrison

Boyd, Thanks for your clear points helping to correct misconceptions. ~Clare L. (Ass't Admin) > On Apr 17, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Boyd Gray via <cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have bristled long enough at this thread! Let me try to help. > > 1. No churches were ever burned in Ireland during any "civil wars". > > 2. There was no "uprising in Belfast" in 1922. There were the final > skirmishes in the only civil war in the 19th or 20th centuries in 1922 but > it was in Dublin not Belfast. The brief "Uprising of 1916" was also in > Dublin. > > 3. While a lot of records were blown up when the Irish Government forces > fired on the IRA rebels holed up with their magazine in the public records > stores in the Four Courts in Dublin in 1922, including four of the censuses > from the 19th century, the vast majority of Church of Ireland records are > still intact and available in the churches and the ones for Tyrone (and the > rest of Northern Ireland) are on microfilm for public viewing at PRONI in > Belfast. And all of the records ever kept of Catholic and Presbyterian > baptisms and marriages, and they make up about 90% of the population, are > still in existence both locally and on microfilm at PRONI. Have a look > here: > http://www.proni.gov.uk/guide_to_church_records.pdf > > 4. No government ever put a tax on the recording of births, which in the > 1820s was carried out by the Church of Ireland but mostly ignored by the > majority Catholic and, in Ulster, the Presbyterian population. > > 5. While the Repeal of the Tests and Corporations Acts in 1828 did indeed > give more religious freedom to Catholics and Presbyterians, the > Presbyterians had always in practice been exempted from these restrictions > by annual Redemption Acts which wiped out the previous years offenses so the > Presbyterians did not in effect notice much difference. More to the point, > Presbyterians tend to thrive on persecution, they believe strongly in their > faith and they would most certainly not be so cowed that they would only > convert to Presbyterianism after any government recognized their church. > > 6. St Michael's Castlecaulfield is still a thriving Church of Ireland > church: > https://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Michaels-Castlecaulfield-St-Patricks-Donag > hmore/133150336737236 > I have never ever heard of any Church of Ireland church becoming a > Presbyterian church. Apart from anything else, their design is totally > inimical to stern Presbyterianism. > > I will agree that the biggest gap still to be filled in Irish ONLINE > genealogy is church records but that is the same for anywhere in the UK and > is soon to be partially corrected by an Irish Government project to out all > Catholic registers online within the year. However, most though not all > Catholic records only begin circa 1850, Presbyterian circa 1830 and Church > of Ireland circa 1800. And many of them are lost simply because clergymen > did not regard them as very important. And neither Catholics or > Presbyterians recorded burials. > > I hope people find this as helpful as it is intended to be and that I have > cleared up a few misapprehensions. > > Boyd Gray > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Luke Fowler via > Sent: 17 April 2015 06:01 > To: Jessie Engan > Subject: Re: [CoTyIre] Lack of baptism data > > Most of the churches were also burned during civil wars.. Usually religious > basis > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On 16 Apr 2015, at 10:14 pm, Jessie Engan via wrote: >> >> Dear Josephine, I have the same problem for baptism records of children > of >> my g g grandmother in Tyrone. There are 2-3 reasons. About 1820 I > understand >> the government put a tax on recording births, which many couldn't afford > to >> pay. Secondly 40-50% of the records of BMD were burned in Belfast > uprising >> in 1922. Thirdly, in 1820 the government recognized the Presbyterian >> church, and many switched to the Presbyterian Church. I visited a Tyrone >> church, St. Michael's in Castlecaulfield, and it was C of I ,but became a >> Presbyterian church after the 1820 change. It is a very discouraging >> situation, especially since many web sites only have data AFTER >> registration became required about 1845. Jessie. >>

Hello Listers, This item extracted from the Melbourne [Victoria, Australia], "Argus" may be interesting to researchers: The Argus [Melbourne] July 14 1870 NOTICE - The undersigned will be thankful to anyone who will give him information of the whereabouts of his brother JAMES WATTERS, who emigrated to the colony of Victoria, Australia, from the town of Strabane, county Tyrone, Ireland, in the year 1860 or 1861, and has not been since heard from. If this should meet his eye, he will find it to his advantage to communicate with me in British Columbia. HUGH WATTERS, Post Office, Victoria, Vancouver Island, British Columbia Victoria, April 11 1870 Regards. Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

Hello Sally. Whilst many on this list could indeed provide you with ways to approach this research in Ireland, with respect I would strongly recommend that you concentrate your research at this stage in Oz records; this is because they are more likely to easily give you exact places of origin in Ireland or Tyrone etc.  Suggested Oz sources are: 1. DEATH certificates for Charles and Mary: If whoever provided the information for their death certificates knew the information, they could tell you exactly where they were from in Ireland. 2. Similarly: DEATH certificates in oz for each of their children -- whose places of birth should be given therein. 3. MARRIAGE certificates for those same children in Oz might hopefully also supply that Irish origin information. 4. ALL Immigration & shipping records of their arrival in oz: they MIGHT also provide more specific place of origin in Ireland details. 5. In 4 above, include -- if available for their arrival years: Immigration Deposit Journals in oz.  Once you have deeply researched those items above, you should then have better information to be able to commence your research in Ireland in a more specific location.  HTH ray in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Stevens" <sallyrosestevens@gmail.com> I am trying to trace Charles McShane and his wife Mary Rogers who came out to Australia from Tyrone on the Adam Lodge 1837. They had two young children with them on the voyage - one named Henry, the other Charles(?). I would like to trace the family in Ireland and hope that someone might be able to help me. Charles was a mason and both were Roam Catholics. Another McShane family came out to Australia from Dungannon in 1841. Edward and Mary Ann McShane and they may or may not be related. Edward’s parents were Daniel and Sarah. Many thanks. ------------- ------------------------- Email sent using Optus Webmail

I am trying to trace Charles McShane and his wife Mary Rogers who came out to Australia from Tyrone on the Adam Lodge 1837. They had two young children with them on the voyage - one named Henry, the other Charles(?). I would like to trace the family in Ireland and hope that someone might be able to help me. Charles was a mason and both were Roam Catholics. Another McShane family came out to Australia from Dungannon in 1841. Edward and Mary Ann McShane and they may or may not be related. Edward’s parents were Daniel and Sarah. Many thanks.

Hello Jessie ReSecondly 40-50% of the records of BMD were burned in Belfast uprisingin 1922. Church of Ireland {The Established Church}registers of baptism and marriage prior to 1870 which were stored in the Public Record Office in DUBLIN were lost when the building was blown up and subsequently burned by the IRA who were engaged in a civil war with the Irish Army Post 1845 marriages and post 1864 births were unaffected as were all Presbyterian, Methodist and Roman Catholic records which not being classed as "Public Records"were not stored in the building. A certain number of Church of Ireland registers also escaped the flames. Re your reference to the year 1820 ,Catholic emancipation which was not largely achieved in 1829,while this was seen as a long overdue reform by Irish Catholics, Irish Presbyterians had only just achieved the same status following the 1828 Test Act, best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > To: COTYRONEIRELAND@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 08:14:22 -0400 > Subject: [CoTyIre] Lack of baptism data > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > Dear Josephine, I have the same problem for baptism records of children of > my g g grandmother in Tyrone. There are 2-3 reasons. About 1820 I understand > the government put a tax on recording births, which many couldn't afford to > pay. Secondly 40-50% of the records of BMD were burned in Belfast uprising > in 1922. Thirdly, in 1820 the government recognized the Presbyterian > church, and many switched to the Presbyterian Church. I visited a Tyrone > church, St. Michael's in Castlecaulfield, and it was C of I ,but became a > Presbyterian church after the 1820 change. It is a very discouraging > situation, especially since many web sites only have data AFTER > registration became required about 1845. Jessie. > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Josephine, I have the same problem for baptism records of children of my g g grandmother in Tyrone. There are 2-3 reasons. About 1820 I understand the government put a tax on recording births, which many couldn't afford to pay. Secondly 40-50% of the records of BMD were burned in Belfast uprising in 1922. Thirdly, in 1820 the government recognized the Presbyterian church, and many switched to the Presbyterian Church. I visited a Tyrone church, St. Michael's in Castlecaulfield, and it was C of I ,but became a Presbyterian church after the 1820 change. It is a very discouraging situation, especially since many web sites only have data AFTER registration became required about 1845. Jessie.

*McMorris* Family Notes, Donagheady Parish 1852-69 <http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/mcmorris.html> *Wauchob* Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1785-1865 <http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/wauchob.html> *Abercorn Estate* - Tenements & Proprietors in *Strabane *1755 <http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/abercorn_strabane4.html>

Hi Josephine, I think we probably all end up in the position you find yourself. My only suggestion is to have your autosomal DNA tested. This may turn up descendants of this Henderson family who know more than you do. Through DNA I have been in touch with someone in USA to whom I know I am related but it is so far back none of us has the records to plot the connection. Happy hunting, Margaret in Oz.

I been researching my family for many years and have found quite a lot but I have come to the end of what I can do as far as research is concerned. I am almost certain that my Great-grandfather Philip Henderson is a son of Thomas Henderson and Catherine Conway who rent a farm at Drumaslaghy, near Aughnacloy County Tyrone from 1824 until 1840 when the rent records available cease. The land at Drumaslaghy was was owned by the Leslie Family of Glaslough County Monaghan. Philip gives Drumaslaghy as his address when he brings two of his children to be baptised in the Church of Ireland in Aughnacloy in 1851 and 1852. I can't find Philip's baptism but I can find other baptisms as follows. 1811 John Henderson of Thomas and Catherine Henderson address Crilly, 1814 Robert of Thomas Henderson and Kitty Conaway address Crilly, 1823 William of Thomas Henderson and Catherine Conway, address Crilly and 1824 Joseph of Thomas Henderson and Catherine Crilly address Drumaslaghy. Thomas Henderson died in 1825 but the widow appears in the Tithes for 1825 and 1837 and Thomas still appears in the rent records, presumably because he was the leaseholder. Our family story, handed down, was that Philip was evicted because he voted against the landlord's wishes. He had to be the tenant to be entitled to a vote.Following the eviction, Philip, his wife Mary Grimes, Gormley or Graham(her name appears as all three) and possibly their small children Thomas, Mary and Francis came to Belfast where other children, including my Grandfather were born from 1855 until 1868. I know that Francis emigrated to Australia in 1872 and became a miner in Ballarat Victoria where he died in 1939. He was unmarried. Thomas and Mary may have died in Tyrone. There was an election in 1852 so I am pretty sure that they were evicted around 1853. I know that the John Henderson born 1811 emigrated to America around 1853 but I have no idea what happened to the other brothers Robert, William or Joseph. I think Philip and possibly others were born to Thomas and Catherine between 1813-1822 but although I have searched church records in Tyrone, Monaghan and into Armagh I cannot trace the baptisms. I have tried to find the other brothers in emigration records without success, in fact I couldn't find John Henderson and his family emigrating but his great-great-grandson in America has been in touch with me and he thinks they went about 1853. There area lot of Henderson families in the Carnteel and Aghaloo where Drumaslaghy and Crilly are and there are a number who give Crilly as their address. However they do not appear in land records at Crilly so they must have worked for others. I would appreciate any help or advice anyone can give or if anyone recognises the names. Josephine

Heirs usually. i.e. old occupant deceased Out walking my dogs Which parish and townland? Dave Mitchell Cape TownSouth Africa Donagheady and Glendermott roots From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Sent: 2015/04/14 05:41:37 PM To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: RE: [CoTyIre] Griffiths Valuation I have been doing some research using the Griffiths Valuation Listing. One of my relatives had the letters "Reps" added as a prefix to his name. What does this Prefix mean? Dennis Wright Las Vegas ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Dennis "Reps" of **** in this context is an abbreviation for "The Representitives of the estate of the late *****" best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > To: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:41:37 -0700 > Subject: [CoTyIre] Griffiths Valuation > From: cotyroneireland@rootsweb.com > > I have been doing some research using the Griffiths Valuation Listing. One > of my relatives had the letters "Reps" added as a prefix to his name. What > does this Prefix mean? > > Dennis Wright > Las Vegas > > ------------- > Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTYRONEIRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been doing some research using the Griffiths Valuation Listing. One of my relatives had the letters "Reps" added as a prefix to his name. What does this Prefix mean? Dennis Wright Las Vegas

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