Annette I checked to see if the Tithe applotments for the Civil Parish of Temple-etney were available online - Pat Connors has most of the Tipperary parishes transcribed on her site http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/#land but not Temple-etney I found these on Ancestry 1826 & 1827 Thomas Gibbs Coolonan Ballynockin Killerney (would think this is either a mistranscription of Killurney or a variant spelling) 1827 Thomas Gibbs Killurney I don't know if this means there were two Thomas Gibbs or he held land in both places- more likely the latter. Gibbs in Ballynoe Ballypatrick in 1826 &1827 -no personal name given. Margaret Gibbs Graigue 1827 Edmund Gibbs West Poulacapple Kilvemnon 1816 Curiously Ancestry had all these listed as in the C. P. of Templetenny not Temple-etney but I suspect that is a mistranscription. Pat Connors site has the tithes for Templetenny on her site and the listing only covers the townlands in Templetenny. The valuation books later than Griffith's are in the valuation Office in Dublin but the LDS have filmed some - if not all- so if you are near a Family History Centre you could order the film. Hope this is of use Clare On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Cindy, > > Yes, they are Patrick and Anastasia's children. William is my husband's > g-g-grandchildren and yes the William you found was the father of the > children born between 1868-1887. I do have William and Catherine's > marriage record. But thank you for offering. > > I agree that Patrick is probably on the land with Thomas in 1850. I wonder > if Thomas is the father or perhaps an older brother. How would I go about > checking valuation updates? > > I have seen the 1901 and 1911 census and most definitely they are William's > (b. 1844) siblings in Killurney. On one of the censuses, I can't remember > which one, they have William's son living with them (Charles Peter). > > So far no ties to Kayes/Keyes, but I will certainly keep an eye out. > Killurney is small enough that it is possible. > > Thanks! Annette > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Cindy Wood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Annette, you may want to consider pursuing some of those siblings for > > William as well. I found 10 additonal baptisms in Kilsheelan Catholic > > parish born to Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath: > > John 1845 > > Michael 1848 > > Maria 1850 > > Julia 1852 > > Patrick 1856 > > Anna 1858 > > Bridget 1859 > > Thomas 1861 > > Johanna 1863 > > Ellen 1870 > > > > There are however, 18 baptisms for the surname Gibbs in this Kilsheelan > > Catholic parish, the remaining baptisms, in the 1868-1880 time period > were > > all born to a man called William, would this by chance be the William > born > > in 1844? I believe I have the marriage of that William, in 1866, to > > Catherine Donovan, the marriage record notes his father was Patrick. > > > > One of the suggestions was to have a look at who was in the parish during > > the time of the Primary Valuation, done in Tipperary in 1850. Killurney > > townland, where you find the family, is in Temple-etney civil parish. At > > the time of both the Primary Valuation and the Tithe Applotments (done in > > this parish in both 1826 and 1827), the only Gibbs listed in the townland > > was Thomas Gibbs. My overall hunch is that Patrick is probably on this > > land, and if you were to check Valuation updates, you might see the > switch > > in names from Thomas to Patrick at some point after the time of the > initial > > Valuation. > > > > Another thing I'd wonder about is whether you'd pursued the census > returns > > for this townland. In 1901, a Patrick Gibbs is living in the townland, > in > > the home with him are his sister, Bridget and his brother Thomas, as well > > as a nephew Charles. These siblings are obviously the children born to > > Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath, and the group of them remain there in 1911 > > as well. > > > > If you find yourself tying in with that Kayes family in Killurney, let me > > know. They also spell their name Keyes and they belong to me! > > > > > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, and > check the subject line. If you are on Digest mode, a reply to an individual > message will repeat the entire digest unless you "snip" it, and the subject > will be the Digest ID unless you change it, please. > > All of the past messages of this list can be found in the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cotipperary > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Clare, Thank you so very much! I am on ancestry, but not world access, so I would not have been able to see these records. I think it's time to upgrade! What does Coolonan Ballynockin mean before the Killerney? It's interesting that there is a Gibbs in Ballypatrick in 1826/27 - I didn't think they came to that area until the 1860's, when an Uncle (William Denne) of William Gibbs gave the forge to William. I wonder if William Denne was married to a Gibbs? I am definitely near a FHC and go every Tuesday to view microfilm. I will try and figure out which microfilm to order and then order it. Thanks for the suggestion and your help! Annette On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Clare Tuohy <[email protected]> wrote: > Annette > I checked to see if the Tithe applotments for the Civil Parish of > Temple-etney were available online - Pat Connors has most of the Tipperary > parishes transcribed on her site > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/#land > but not Temple-etney > I found these on Ancestry > 1826 & 1827 > Thomas Gibbs Coolonan Ballynockin Killerney (would think this is either a > mistranscription of Killurney or a variant spelling) > 1827 Thomas Gibbs Killurney > I don't know if this means there were two Thomas Gibbs or he held land in > both places- more likely the latter. > Gibbs in Ballynoe Ballypatrick in 1826 &1827 -no personal name given. > Margaret Gibbs Graigue 1827 > Edmund Gibbs West Poulacapple Kilvemnon 1816 > > Curiously Ancestry had all these listed as in the C. P. of Templetenny not > Temple-etney > but I suspect that is a mistranscription. > Pat Connors site has the tithes for Templetenny on her site and the > listing only covers the townlands in Templetenny. > > The valuation books later than Griffith's are in the valuation Office in > Dublin but the LDS have filmed some - if not all- so if you are near a > Family History Centre you could order the film. > > Hope this is of use > Clare > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Cindy, > > > > Yes, they are Patrick and Anastasia's children. William is my husband's > > g-g-grandchildren and yes the William you found was the father of the > > children born between 1868-1887. I do have William and Catherine's > > marriage record. But thank you for offering. > > > > I agree that Patrick is probably on the land with Thomas in 1850. I > wonder > > if Thomas is the father or perhaps an older brother. How would I go > about > > checking valuation updates? > > > > I have seen the 1901 and 1911 census and most definitely they are > William's > > (b. 1844) siblings in Killurney. On one of the censuses, I can't > remember > > which one, they have William's son living with them (Charles Peter). > > > > So far no ties to Kayes/Keyes, but I will certainly keep an eye out. > > Killurney is small enough that it is possible. > > > > Thanks! Annette > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Cindy Wood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Annette, you may want to consider pursuing some of those siblings for > > > William as well. I found 10 additonal baptisms in Kilsheelan Catholic > > > parish born to Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath: > > > John 1845 > > > Michael 1848 > > > Maria 1850 > > > Julia 1852 > > > Patrick 1856 > > > Anna 1858 > > > Bridget 1859 > > > Thomas 1861 > > > Johanna 1863 > > > Ellen 1870 > > > > > > There are however, 18 baptisms for the surname Gibbs in this Kilsheelan > > > Catholic parish, the remaining baptisms, in the 1868-1880 time period > > were > > > all born to a man called William, would this by chance be the William > > born > > > in 1844? I believe I have the marriage of that William, in 1866, to > > > Catherine Donovan, the marriage record notes his father was Patrick. > > > > > > One of the suggestions was to have a look at who was in the parish > during > > > the time of the Primary Valuation, done in Tipperary in 1850. > Killurney > > > townland, where you find the family, is in Temple-etney civil parish. > At > > > the time of both the Primary Valuation and the Tithe Applotments (done > in > > > this parish in both 1826 and 1827), the only Gibbs listed in the > townland > > > was Thomas Gibbs. My overall hunch is that Patrick is probably on this > > > land, and if you were to check Valuation updates, you might see the > > switch > > > in names from Thomas to Patrick at some point after the time of the > > initial > > > Valuation. > > > > > > Another thing I'd wonder about is whether you'd pursued the census > > returns > > > for this townland. In 1901, a Patrick Gibbs is living in the townland, > > in > > > the home with him are his sister, Bridget and his brother Thomas, as > well > > > as a nephew Charles. These siblings are obviously the children born to > > > Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath, and the group of them remain there in > 1911 > > > as well. > > > > > > If you find yourself tying in with that Kayes family in Killurney, let > me > > > know. They also spell their name Keyes and they belong to me! > > > > > > > > > > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, > and > > check the subject line. 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Annette Cooloran and Ballynockin (today Ballyknockane) are townlands near Killurney- Cooloran is to the south west of Killurney near the church at Temple-etney and Ballynockin is to the south east.They are all within a radius of a mile or so. Not sure why they are listed together in the tithe list . I know that some people are a bit dubious about Ancestry's transcription of the tithe lists. You would really need to see the original to try and work it out but as far as I know the LDS hasn't got a film of the tithes for Tipperary- I could be wrong!! Regards Clare On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > Clare, > > Thank you so very much! I am on ancestry, but not world access, so I would > not have been able to see these records. I think it's time to upgrade! > What does Coolonan Ballynockin mean before the Killerney? It's > interesting that there is a Gibbs in Ballypatrick in 1826/27 - I didn't > think they came to that area until the 1860's, when an Uncle (William > Denne) of William Gibbs gave the forge to William. I wonder if William > Denne was married to a Gibbs? > > I am definitely near a FHC and go every Tuesday to view microfilm. I will > try and figure out which microfilm to order and then order it. Thanks for > the suggestion and your help! > > Annette > > > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Clare Tuohy <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Annette > > I checked to see if the Tithe applotments for the Civil Parish of > > Temple-etney were available online - Pat Connors has most of the > Tipperary > > parishes transcribed on her site > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/#land > > but not Temple-etney > > I found these on Ancestry > > 1826 & 1827 > > Thomas Gibbs Coolonan Ballynockin Killerney (would think this is either a > > mistranscription of Killurney or a variant spelling) > > 1827 Thomas Gibbs Killurney > > I don't know if this means there were two Thomas Gibbs or he held land in > > both places- more likely the latter. > > Gibbs in Ballynoe Ballypatrick in 1826 &1827 -no personal name given. > > Margaret Gibbs Graigue 1827 > > Edmund Gibbs West Poulacapple Kilvemnon 1816 > > > > Curiously Ancestry had all these listed as in the C. P. of Templetenny > not > > Temple-etney > > but I suspect that is a mistranscription. > > Pat Connors site has the tithes for Templetenny on her site and the > > listing only covers the townlands in Templetenny. > > > > The valuation books later than Griffith's are in the valuation Office in > > Dublin but the LDS have filmed some - if not all- so if you are near a > > Family History Centre you could order the film. > > > > Hope this is of use > > Clare > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Annette Gibbs <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi Cindy, > > > > > > Yes, they are Patrick and Anastasia's children. William is my > husband's > > > g-g-grandchildren and yes the William you found was the father of the > > > children born between 1868-1887. I do have William and Catherine's > > > marriage record. But thank you for offering. > > > > > > I agree that Patrick is probably on the land with Thomas in 1850. I > > wonder > > > if Thomas is the father or perhaps an older brother. How would I go > > about > > > checking valuation updates? > > > > > > I have seen the 1901 and 1911 census and most definitely they are > > William's > > > (b. 1844) siblings in Killurney. On one of the censuses, I can't > > remember > > > which one, they have William's son living with them (Charles Peter). > > > > > > So far no ties to Kayes/Keyes, but I will certainly keep an eye out. > > > Killurney is small enough that it is possible. > > > > > > Thanks! Annette > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Cindy Wood <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Annette, you may want to consider pursuing some of those siblings for > > > > William as well. I found 10 additonal baptisms in Kilsheelan > Catholic > > > > parish born to Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath: > > > > John 1845 > > > > Michael 1848 > > > > Maria 1850 > > > > Julia 1852 > > > > Patrick 1856 > > > > Anna 1858 > > > > Bridget 1859 > > > > Thomas 1861 > > > > Johanna 1863 > > > > Ellen 1870 > > > > > > > > There are however, 18 baptisms for the surname Gibbs in this > Kilsheelan > > > > Catholic parish, the remaining baptisms, in the 1868-1880 time period > > > were > > > > all born to a man called William, would this by chance be the William > > > born > > > > in 1844? I believe I have the marriage of that William, in 1866, to > > > > Catherine Donovan, the marriage record notes his father was Patrick. > > > > > > > > One of the suggestions was to have a look at who was in the parish > > during > > > > the time of the Primary Valuation, done in Tipperary in 1850. > > Killurney > > > > townland, where you find the family, is in Temple-etney civil parish. > > At > > > > the time of both the Primary Valuation and the Tithe Applotments > (done > > in > > > > this parish in both 1826 and 1827), the only Gibbs listed in the > > townland > > > > was Thomas Gibbs. My overall hunch is that Patrick is probably on > this > > > > land, and if you were to check Valuation updates, you might see the > > > switch > > > > in names from Thomas to Patrick at some point after the time of the > > > initial > > > > Valuation. > > > > > > > > Another thing I'd wonder about is whether you'd pursued the census > > > returns > > > > for this townland. In 1901, a Patrick Gibbs is living in the > townland, > > > in > > > > the home with him are his sister, Bridget and his brother Thomas, as > > well > > > > as a nephew Charles. These siblings are obviously the children born > to > > > > Patrick Gibbs and Ann McGrath, and the group of them remain there in > > 1911 > > > > as well. > > > > > > > > If you find yourself tying in with that Kayes family in Killurney, > let > > me > > > > know. They also spell their name Keyes and they belong to me! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please remove extraneous text when replying: > > > Please remember to "snip" short the message to which you are replying, > > and > > > check the subject line. 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