Janet, I thought you were kind of quiet on the list. Now I know why. Glad you were able to overcome your multiple medical issues. That is always good news. Many days of good health to you. Carmen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Tuohy via" <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> To: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com>; <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] COTIPPERARY Births out of wedlock > Janet > Delighted to hear you have made such a good recovery. > Best regards > Clare > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Janet Crawford via < > cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Hi Pat, Same way in England and Scotland. >> >> Had MAJOR heart surgery last September - 11 hours, blood drained and put >> back in and me brought back to life. Then Breast cancer surgery last >> April. >> Was on blood thinners from the heart surgery, so started to bleed the day >> after surgery and so had a 2nd surgery the next day. >> I am almost back to normal again except for a couple of little things. >> Cancer clear. Heart strong again. >> >> Janet >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Pat Connors via >> <cotipperary@rootsweb.com >> > >> wrote: >> >> > Janet, many thanks for this, I have printed it out and will include it >> > in >> > my children's family history books. In all the years that I have been >> > doing Irish family history, I really didn't know about arranged >> marriages. >> > Thanks. >> > >> > >> > > >> > > There are a couple of things we need to keep in mind about marriages >> > > pre-1900, and I pick that date rather arbitrarily. Most all marriages >> in >> > > Ireland were arranged and included a dowry of some sort and a fee to >> the >> > > priest, particularly if he arranged the marriage. It was not a love >> > affair, >> > > but more of a contractual property agreement. You see this in all the >> > > marriage settlement documents filed with the courts. These were >> > negotiated >> > > by the fathers of the future bride and groom. >> > > Anything that interfered with the marriage messed up the contract on >> the >> > > property being exchanged. >> > > It appears that often there was a period, sometimes lengthy between >> > > the >> > > offer of marriage and the actual ceremony, but could be the future >> couple >> > > did some experimenting prior to the ceremony. The goal of the couple >> was >> > to >> > > produce a male heir...period. To the eldest male heir would go the >> > property >> > > which now includes the dowry, so both father's have a stake in this. >> Once >> > > that had been accomplished, one often sees the groom do some outside >> > > experimenting, but seemingly never the bride, as far as we know. >> > > There >> > are >> > > some unusual DNA results showing up, however. >> > > The priest was able to keep his fee as long as the couple stayed >> > together. >> > > Often they went to live apart and the priest could get a 2nd fee if >> > > he >> > > could get them back together again when they renewed their vows. >> > > Sorry if I may have repeated some things, but I need to impress that >> > these >> > > were contracts, not love affairs. >> > > >> > > Janet >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >> > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >> > nymets22@gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: >> > 1. 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Wishing you much happiness after your traumatic health issues. Helen >> >> Had MAJOR heart surgery last September - 11 hours, blood drained and put >> back in and me brought back to life. Then Breast cancer surgery last >> April. >> Was on blood thinners from the heart surgery, so started to bleed the day >> after surgery and so had a 2nd surgery the next day. >> I am almost back to normal again except for a couple of little things. >> Cancer clear. Heart strong again. >> >> Janet To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message