Hello, Aggi-Rose and Listers, I have a research colleague whose Fogarty one-name study tentatively groups as Tipperary-born siblings Johanna born c. 1832, Anne born c. 1842, Ellen christened 1844 and Thomas born c. 1846 with the group`s parents being listed as Michael Fogarty and Mary Russell. The grouping is tentative in the sense that it is not established that the same Michael Fogarty and Mary Russell were the parents of each of the posited siblings. Three of the posited siblings are known to have come to Australia. The study states as follows -- Johanna went to Warwick in the Darling Downs area in Queensland. She was Mrs Dwan. Anne was born at Borrisnafarney near Templemore and also came to Warwick. She was Mrs Morrissy and then Mrs Stapleton. Ellen was christened at Borrisnafarney. Thomas became a Melbourne resident and married Mary Jane West. I will set out some remarks here about a Western Australian convict named Thomas Fogarty who seems possibly to have been the Fogarty-Russell son who went to Melbourne and married Mary Jane West. Can anyone see a connection? There is a place near Templemore called Ballaheen and Killea is in the same area. My Fogarty great-grandparents` 1870 marriage registration gave the groom`s place of residence as “Ballaheen Killea”. Borrisnafarney is nearby. My great-grandfather had a brother who was born at Ballaheen who deserted from the British Army in Melbourne in 1858 and was married at Warwick in 1864. In 1977 an old lady of Killea whose maiden name was Fogarty reported to an Australian genealogical researcher that “there were Fogartys at Ballaheen before Carden`s day and one family remained as herds for Carden up to my young days but are now all gone”. The informant said the last of the Ballaheen Fogartys had died recently. I have seen a 1977 newspaper death notice for a John Fogarty who appears to have been the person the Killea informant had in mind when saying the last of the Ballaheen Fogartys had recently died. The events in Ireland customarily referred to as the Fenian rising occurred in 1867. A considerable number of those rounded up in the aftermath of the rising were sent as convicts to Western Australia by the ship “Hougoumont”, which reached Fremantle in January 1868. The Fenian prisoners of that voyage included a Thomas Fogarty from County Tipperary. I have read in Thomas Keneally`s book “The Great Shame” that the “Hougoumont” Fenian convicts were for administrative purposes categorised in two groups depending on whether they were military personnel. I have not been able to discern from the book which group Thomas Fogarty belonged to. I have read that in 1865 the British Army`s 11th Depot Battalion was transferred from Templemore to Newry and Enniskillen because of loyalty problems at the Templemore barracks and was replaced at Templemore by a unit from Glasgow. I have established that Thomas Fogarty of the “Hougoumont” voyage was given a free pardon in 1869 and departed from Fremantle later that year by a ship bound for Sydney. The Fogarty-West marriage occurred in Melbourne in 1877. The register entry said the bride had been born at Enniskillen in County Fermanagh in Ireland and the groom was a draper born in County Tipperary. His parents were named as Michael Fogarty and Mary Russell. Thomas Keneally`s book “The Great Shame” says the “Hougoumont” voyage`s Fenian convict Thomas Fogarty had a brother living at Portland in Maine. The book says a “political letter” to Thomas Fogarty from the Portland brother was confiscated. My first sighting of the book`s reference to Thomas Fogarty`s Portland brother turned my thoughts back to the 1977 letter from the Killea lady. The letter said the writer knew about Ryans and Coffeys belonging to her mother`s family but on her father`s side had known only some aunts, “as the boys had to leave the country after the Fenian rising”. Does anyone see a connection? Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino NSW Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Andrew, These 2 records will not help you today but might someday, one from Ballyheen, a Fogarty woman: Pat Brophy of Ballinafad m. Mary Fogarty of Ballyheen in 1816 Thomas Campion m. Mary Carroll at Templemore sometime in 1844-6 Janet On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Andrew Fogarty via < cotipperary@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello, Aggi-Rose and Listers, > > > > > > > I > have a research colleague whose Fogarty one-name study tentatively groups > as Tipperary-born siblings Johanna born c. 1832, Anne born c. 1842, Ellen > christened 1844 and Thomas born c. 1846 with the group`s parents being > listed as Michael Fogarty and Mary Russell. The grouping is tentative in > the sense that it is not established that the same Michael Fogarty and Mary > Russell were the parents of each of the posited siblings. Three of the > posited siblings are known to have come to Australia. The study states as > follows -- Johanna went to Warwick in the Darling Downs area in > Queensland. She was Mrs Dwan. Anne was born at Borrisnafarney near > Templemore and also came to Warwick. She was Mrs Morrissy and then Mrs > Stapleton. Ellen was christened at Borrisnafarney. Thomas became a > Melbourne resident and married Mary Jane West. > > > > > > I > will set out some remarks here about a Western Australian convict named > Thomas Fogarty who seems possibly to have been the Fogarty-Russell son who > went to Melbourne and married Mary Jane West. Can anyone see a > connection? > > > > > > > There is a place near Templemore > called Ballaheen and Killea is in the same area. My Fogarty > great-grandparents` 1870 marriage registration gave the groom`s place of > residence as “Ballaheen Killea”. Borrisnafarney is nearby. My > great-grandfather had a brother who was born at Ballaheen who deserted from > the British Army in Melbourne in 1858 and was married at Warwick in 1864. > > > > > > > > In 1977 an old lady of Killea whose maiden name > was Fogarty reported to an Australian genealogical researcher that “there > were Fogartys at Ballaheen before Carden`s day and one family remained as > herds for Carden up to my young days but are now all gone”. The informant > said the last of the Ballaheen Fogartys had died recently. I have seen a > 1977 newspaper death notice for a John Fogarty who appears to have been the > person the Killea informant had in mind when saying the last of the > Ballaheen Fogartys had recently died. > > > > > > > The events in > Ireland customarily referred to as the Fenian rising occurred in 1867. A > considerable number of those rounded up in the aftermath of the rising were > sent as convicts to Western Australia by the ship “Hougoumont”, which > reached Fremantle in January 1868. The Fenian prisoners of that voyage > included a Thomas Fogarty from County Tipperary. > > > > > > > > > > > I have read in Thomas > Keneally`s book “The Great Shame” that the “Hougoumont” Fenian convicts > were for administrative purposes categorised in two groups depending on > whether they were military personnel. I have not been able to discern from > the book which group Thomas Fogarty belonged to. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read that in 1865 the > British Army`s 11th Depot Battalion was transferred from Templemore to > Newry and Enniskillen because of loyalty problems at the Templemore > barracks and was replaced at Templemore by a unit from Glasgow. > > > > > > > I have established that Thomas Fogarty of the > “Hougoumont” voyage was given a free pardon in 1869 and departed from > Fremantle later that year by a ship bound for Sydney. > > > > > > > The Fogarty-West marriage occurred in Melbourne in 1877. The register > entry said the bride had been born at Enniskillen in County Fermanagh in > Ireland and the groom was a draper born in County Tipperary. His parents > were named as Michael Fogarty and Mary Russell. > > > > > > > Thomas Keneally`s book “The Great Shame” says the “Hougoumont” > voyage`s Fenian convict Thomas Fogarty had a brother living at Portland in > Maine. The book says a “political letter” to Thomas Fogarty from the > Portland brother was confiscated. > > > > > > My first sighting of > the book`s reference to Thomas Fogarty`s Portland brother turned my > thoughts back to the 1977 letter from the Killea lady. The letter said the > writer knew about Ryans and Coffeys belonging to her mother`s family but on > her father`s side had known only some aunts, “as the boys had to leave the > country after the Fenian rising”. > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone see a connection? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Fogarty > > > > > > Casino NSW > Australia > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > When replying to a message in the digest please do two things: > 1. Change the 'Subject' to that of the message you are replying to. > 2. 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