Having received some great assistance a while ago from members of the list regarding my O'Brien family from Ballywire I am hoping I may have similar good fortune concerning some of my wife's ancestors. William Charles WALL arrived in NSW in 1841 on the ship Forth together with his wife Mary. William was described very briefly on the passenger list as 25 years old, a farm labourer, native of Clonmell, Tipperary, and the son of John and Elinor WALL, postmaster. His wife Mary was aged 23 at the time, a farm servant and also a native of Clonmell, and her parents were listed as Thomas and Mary MAHER. The person certifying that they were of good character was Richard Pennefather, but there is no indication of his rank or profession, and he is completely unknown to me. Both William and Mary were Catholics. There is no mention in the document whether or not their four parents were alive in 1841. If the ages stated were correct William was born about 1816 and Mary about 1818. William and Mary had two sons before they sailed to Australia in 1841. These did not accompany their parents but were left in Ireland until 1848 when they arrived in NSW on the ship Sir Edward Parry. The passenger list does not indicate that they were travelling with anyone in particular as the names are found in a separate list of single males with ages ranging from 8 to 29 and no-one else was listed as coming from the same place. The two children were John Wall aged 10 and Thomas Wall aged 8, both Catholic and both from Clara, Tipperary. Whoever wrote the passenger list would have come top of the class in writing, and the place given in the document (as distinct from whatever the children may have said) was clearly written Clara Tipperary, not Clare nor Cahir, both appearing in the list for other people. Just to confuse things, when John Wall died in 1918 his death certificate stated that he came from County Clare, Ireland. The only other information I have comes from the death certificates of William and Mary. These tell me that William's parents were John WALL and Ellen ENGLISH, and Mary's parents were Thomas MAHER and Mary WALLACE. If the ages given in the certificates are accurate, William Wall was born in 1814 and Mary in 1820, and they were married in about 1836 when Mary was 16 years old. While there is some discrepancy in the ages compared with the ship's list, both records and the ages of the two children point to a marriage in the latter part of the 1830s. Unfortunately the death certificates are not specific about the location of the births of William or Mary nor the marriage, stating only that all three events occurred in Ireland. I think I have three questions about all of this: - Does any-one have any knowledge of this family group? - What records are available which may help me to find out more about them in Ireland and where should I look to find these records? - Can anyone pinpoint the location of Clara, Tipperary, or, if such a place does not exist, hazard a guess as to another Clara nearby or some other name in the locality which may have been heard as Clara by the person who wrote the passenger list? It may be that the young boys were living with relatives until they were thought to be old enough to follow their parents to NSW. Marshall Forman Adelaide South Australia