These suspicions go back many years. I'm sure that many new people whom have come aboard in the past five years probably never heard about the AB closing the books and threatening to sue anyone who posted copies of material under his control. Put another way, the only possible motive to close records had to be money. -- don kelly -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Carmen DiGiacomo" <tippfado@verizon.net> > It is indeed a pleasant and long awaited victory for those who have roots in > Cashel & Emly Diocese (as well as Cloyne & Kerry), as well as those who help > with the searches; but I haven't seen anything that said the Archbishop was > lining his pockets. > > Carmen-Pittsburgh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "donkelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Archbishop Defeated > > > > Yes, it appears we can put past animosities toward the Archbishop aside. > > But I still think it was terrible for him to line his own pockets to begin > > with. It had earmarks of a hostage situation, pay me or else. > > > > Off of the opinion poll. > > > > -- > > don kelly > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Richard Callanan" <richard@callanan.demon.co.uk> > >> > >> Everyone on the list will get great satisfaction from the news below. It > >> has > >> been a long battle and the list archives will show the previous > >> correspondence that I believe played some part in developing the > >> groundswell > >> that has finally brought results. The Archbishop may still contest the > >> National Library's decision in the courts but I am confident that he will > >> lose. I am sure we can now put behind us this relic of authoritarianism, > >> obstinacy and complacency. And I am changing my holiday travel plans! > >> > >> Richard Callanan > >> London. > >> > >> ********************************************* > >> ********************************************* > >> > >> Press Release from the Association of Professional Genealogists in > >> Ireland. > >> > >> National Library allows public access to Roman Catholic parish registers > >> for > >> Cashel & Emly, Cloyne and Kerry. > >> > >> The Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland (APGI) welcomes > >> today's [27 may 2008] announcement from the National Library of Ireland > >> that > >> they are once again to allow public access to their microfilm copies of > >> Roman Catholic parish registers from the dioceses of Cashel & Emly, > >> Cloyne > >> and Kerry. > >> > >> > >> > >> At APGI's annual general meeting last December the matter of restricted > >> access and, in the case of Cashel & Emly, total closure of these > >> historical > >> records was raised. A resolution was passed calling on the National > >> Library > >> to immediately lift all such restrictions in accordance with a legal > >> opinion > >> given as long ago as 1994, when the matter was the subject of an article > >> in > >> Irish Roots magazine (1994, Number 2, pp.23-24). > >> > >> > >> > >> The National Library's collection of microfilms covers the surviving > >> pre-1881 baptismal and marriage records of almost all Roman Catholic > >> parishes throughout Ireland. These records are fundamental to > >> genealogical > >> research for most people of Irish descent. The registers were microfilmed > >> in > >> the 1950s and 1960s. As they then included records of living people, they > >> were made available only with the written permission of the relevant > >> parish > >> priest. In the 1980s, through the intervention of the then Chief Herald > >> of > >> Ireland, Mr. Donal Begley, this requirement was lifted by the relevant > >> bishops for most dioceses, including Cashel & Emly. Having unrestricted > >> access to these records revolutionised research for the thousands of > >> tourists who visited Ireland each year but who had had limited time for > >> family history research. > >> > >> > >> > >> In 1991 the new Archbishop of Cashel & Emly, Dr. Dermot Clifford, claimed > >> copyright in the manuscript parish registers and stated that he was > >> giving > >> the Tipperary Heritage Unit (now known as Tipperary Family History > >> Research, > >> and based in Tipperary town) exclusive rights to provide and market > >> information from them. The holders of microfilm copies of the registers, > >> primarily the National Library and the Church of Jesus Christ of > >> Latter-Day > >> Saints (Mormon Church), were informed to withdraw the films from public > >> access. In 1992 the National Library did so. For the past sixteen years > >> no > >> one has been allowed to view the microfilms from Cashel & Emly. > >> > >> > >> > >> In 1994 the National Library was supplied with a legal opinion by > >> Muireann O > >> Briain, S.C., which dismissed the notion of copyright in a manuscript > >> which > >> were created for the purpose of maintaining records and which was not > >> 'the > >> work of one person or of joint authorship'. Ms. O Briain further stated > >> that > >> even if copyright were upheld anyone using microfilm copies of the > >> registers > >> for research purposes would not be infringing any such copyright. It is > >> believed that the National Library subsequently commissioned further > >> legal > >> opinions which did not differ materially from Ms. O Briain's, but it is > >> only > >> now that the microfilms are being reopened. > >> > >> > >> > >> The reopening of Cashel & Emly records is of major importance to those > >> trying to trace their ancestry in an area covering almost half of Co. > >> Tipperary as well as a large part of East Limerick. No longer will those > >> seeking their heritage have to be denied access to church registers at > >> Ireland's National Library. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Money may have been a reason, but that still doesn't translate to lining "his" pockets. Carmen-Pittsburgh ----- Original Message ----- From: "donkelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Archbishop Defeated > These suspicions go back many years. I'm sure that many new people whom > have come aboard in the past five years probably never heard about the AB > closing the books and threatening to sue anyone who posted copies of > material under his control. > > Put another way, the only possible motive to close records had to be > money. > > -- > don kelly > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Carmen DiGiacomo" <tippfado@verizon.net> >> It is indeed a pleasant and long awaited victory for those who have roots >> in >> Cashel & Emly Diocese (as well as Cloyne & Kerry), as well as those who >> help >> with the searches; but I haven't seen anything that said the Archbishop >> was >> lining his pockets. >> >> Carmen-Pittsburgh >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "donkelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> >> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 2:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] Archbishop Defeated >> >> >> > Yes, it appears we can put past animosities toward the Archbishop >> > aside. >> > But I still think it was terrible for him to line his own pockets to >> > begin >> > with. It had earmarks of a hostage situation, pay me or else. >> > >> > Off of the opinion poll. >> > >> > -- >> > don kelly >> > >> > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >> > From: "Richard Callanan" <richard@callanan.demon.co.uk> >> >> >> >> Everyone on the list will get great satisfaction from the news below. >> >> It >> >> has >> >> been a long battle and the list archives will show the previous >> >> correspondence that I believe played some part in developing the >> >> groundswell >> >> that has finally brought results. The Archbishop may still contest the >> >> National Library's decision in the courts but I am confident that he >> >> will >> >> lose. I am sure we can now put behind us this relic of >> >> authoritarianism, >> >> obstinacy and complacency. And I am changing my holiday travel plans! >> >> >> >> Richard Callanan >> >> London. >> >> >> >> ********************************************* >> >> ********************************************* >> >> >> >> Press Release from the Association of Professional Genealogists in >> >> Ireland. >> >> >> >> National Library allows public access to Roman Catholic parish >> >> registers >> >> for >> >> Cashel & Emly, Cloyne and Kerry. >> >> >> >> The Association of Professional Genealogists in Ireland (APGI) >> >> welcomes >> >> today's [27 may 2008] announcement from the National Library of >> >> Ireland >> >> that >> >> they are once again to allow public access to their microfilm copies >> >> of >> >> Roman Catholic parish registers from the dioceses of Cashel & Emly, >> >> Cloyne >> >> and Kerry. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At APGI's annual general meeting last December the matter of >> >> restricted >> >> access and, in the case of Cashel & Emly, total closure of these >> >> historical >> >> records was raised. A resolution was passed calling on the National >> >> Library >> >> to immediately lift all such restrictions in accordance with a legal >> >> opinion >> >> given as long ago as 1994, when the matter was the subject of an >> >> article >> >> in >> >> Irish Roots magazine (1994, Number 2, pp.23-24). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The National Library's collection of microfilms covers the surviving >> >> pre-1881 baptismal and marriage records of almost all Roman Catholic >> >> parishes throughout Ireland. These records are fundamental to >> >> genealogical >> >> research for most people of Irish descent. The registers were >> >> microfilmed >> >> in >> >> the 1950s and 1960s. As they then included records of living people, >> >> they >> >> were made available only with the written permission of the relevant >> >> parish >> >> priest. In the 1980s, through the intervention of the then Chief >> >> Herald >> >> of >> >> Ireland, Mr. Donal Begley, this requirement was lifted by the relevant >> >> bishops for most dioceses, including Cashel & Emly. Having >> >> unrestricted >> >> access to these records revolutionised research for the thousands of >> >> tourists who visited Ireland each year but who had had limited time >> >> for >> >> family history research. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In 1991 the new Archbishop of Cashel & Emly, Dr. Dermot Clifford, >> >> claimed >> >> copyright in the manuscript parish registers and stated that he was >> >> giving >> >> the Tipperary Heritage Unit (now known as Tipperary Family History >> >> Research, >> >> and based in Tipperary town) exclusive rights to provide and market >> >> information from them. The holders of microfilm copies of the >> >> registers, >> >> primarily the National Library and the Church of Jesus Christ of >> >> Latter-Day >> >> Saints (Mormon Church), were informed to withdraw the films from >> >> public >> >> access. In 1992 the National Library did so. For the past sixteen >> >> years >> >> no >> >> one has been allowed to view the microfilms from Cashel & Emly. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In 1994 the National Library was supplied with a legal opinion by >> >> Muireann O >> >> Briain, S.C., which dismissed the notion of copyright in a manuscript >> >> which >> >> were created for the purpose of maintaining records and which was not >> >> 'the >> >> work of one person or of joint authorship'. Ms. O Briain further >> >> stated >> >> that >> >> even if copyright were upheld anyone using microfilm copies of the >> >> registers >> >> for research purposes would not be infringing any such copyright. It >> >> is >> >> believed that the National Library subsequently commissioned further >> >> legal >> >> opinions which did not differ materially from Ms. O Briain's, but it >> >> is >> >> only >> >> now that the microfilms are being reopened. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The reopening of Cashel & Emly records is of major importance to those >> >> trying to trace their ancestry in an area covering almost half of Co. >> >> Tipperary as well as a large part of East Limerick. No longer will >> >> those >> >> seeking their heritage have to be denied access to church registers at >> >> Ireland's National Library. >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message