I have both Walls and Maher/Maras in my l ancestry. My Walls come from County Clare just barely across the Shannon from Limerick City in Meelick. They emigrated in 1854 but mention no Wall relatives in NSW, just Kellehers. My great great great grandmother Ellen Maher or Mara as it was shown on the passenger list on the other hand came from Cahir (or Care as it was spelt on the list), married an Eagan and was living in or around Clonmel by the time her children were born in the 1820s. Her husband, Thomas, got into trouble with a Michael Mara and, having been tried at Clonmel in 1823, both were transported to Australia. I visited Tipperary a few years ago and was told by a Cahir resident that the local pronunciation of Maher is Mah'r which explains the spelling Mara. The Freeman's Journal report of those tried at the Summer Assizes shows other Maras (another Michael and a Thomas) in trouble for adminstering illegal oaths, attemptrd murder and cow stealing. Yours appear to come from the more presentable side of the family. Regards Sue Ellis On 18/06/2008, at 5:16 PM, MForman wrote: > Having received some great assistance a while ago from members of > the list > regarding my O'Brien family from Ballywire I am hoping I may have > similar > good fortune concerning some of my wife's ancestors. > > William Charles WALL arrived in NSW in 1841 on the ship Forth > together with > his wife Mary. William was described very briefly on the passenger > list as > 25 years old, a farm labourer, native of Clonmell, Tipperary, and > the son of > John and Elinor WALL, postmaster. His wife Mary was aged 23 at the > time, a > farm servant and also a native of Clonmell, and her parents were > listed as > Thomas and Mary MAHER. The person certifying that they were of good > character was Richard Pennefather, but there is no indication of > his rank or > profession, and he is completely unknown to me. Both William and > Mary were > Catholics. There is no mention in the document whether or not their > four > parents were alive in 1841. If the ages stated were correct William > was born > about 1816 and Mary about 1818. > > William and Mary had two sons before they sailed to Australia in > 1841. These > did not accompany their parents but were left in Ireland until 1848 > when > they arrived in NSW on the ship Sir Edward Parry. The passenger > list does > not indicate that they were travelling with anyone in particular as > the > names are found in a separate list of single males with ages > ranging from 8 > to 29 and no-one else was listed as coming from the same place. The > two > children were John Wall aged 10 and Thomas Wall aged 8, both > Catholic and > both from Clara, Tipperary. Whoever wrote the passenger list would > have come > top of the class in writing, and the place given in the document (as > distinct from whatever the children may have said) was clearly > written Clara > Tipperary, not Clare nor Cahir, both appearing in the list for > other people. > Just to confuse things, when John Wall died in 1918 his death > certificate > stated that he came from County Clare, Ireland. > > The only other information I have comes from the death certificates of > William and Mary. These tell me that William's parents were John > WALL and > Ellen ENGLISH, and Mary's parents were Thomas MAHER and Mary > WALLACE. If the > ages given in the certificates are accurate, William Wall was born > in 1814 > and Mary in 1820, and they were married in about 1836 when Mary was > 16 years > old. While there is some discrepancy in the ages compared with the > ship's > list, both records and the ages of the two children point to a > marriage in > the latter part of the 1830s. Unfortunately the death certificates > are not > specific about the location of the births of William or Mary nor the > marriage, stating only that all three events occurred in Ireland. > > I think I have three questions about all of this: > - Does any-one have any knowledge of this family group? > - What records are available which may help me to find out more > about them > in Ireland and where should I look to find these records? > - Can anyone pinpoint the location of Clara, Tipperary, or, if > such a place > does not exist, hazard a guess as to another Clara nearby or some > other name > in the locality which may have been heard as Clara by the person > who wrote > the passenger list? It may be that the young boys were living with > relatives > until they were thought to be old enough to follow their parents to > NSW. > > Marshall Forman > Adelaide > South Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to COTIPPERARY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by CyberOne E-Mail Spam and > Virus Protection Service, and is believed to > be clean from viruses. CyberOne Pty Ltd accepts no > responsibility for the content of messages > in transit through our servers. > -- > Suspected unsolicited commercial bulk messages > (SPAM) have been marked with {Spam?} tag in > the subject line enabling you to filter them out > by using your mail software's filtering capabilities. > >