Hello Laurie, Thank you for this information. In the transcript of the Trial of Daniel and Elizabeth Macginnis at the Old Bailey, only Elizabeth's profession is mentioned, that of a Green Stall Keeper at Cloth Fair. If only they had mentioned Daniel's profession, this could have answered all our questions about Daniel aka Thomas. The Trial:- http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18170115-59-defend423&div=t18170115-59#highlight I am hoping that SKS can assist regarding what County the Macginnis family may have come from. Do some family names stay in the one place and where they come from in Ireland is easy to have a guess at? Also, is it a safe assumption on our part to think that Daniel Macginnis and his family came from Ireland? I was a bit sceptical about Elizabeth, however she is Catholic as the children are. Also, with the ages of young Thomas born 13th Feb 1813 (from his headstone) and Elizabeth born 1813 and with their parents in 1816 being 40 and 42, you would think they may have had older children, maybe back in Ireland? A very high brickwall I know, and probably little chance of it ever being knocked down. Elizabeth Mcginnis never married after she obtain her freedom in Old Sydney Town, she lived until she saw her two children Thomas and Elizabeth marry in 1832, and not long after she died. She was buried in the Devonshire Street Cemetery, where Sydney's Central Station stands today, and on her headstone her children had inscribed, "...a wife and a mother..:. She was a remarkable woman, and her story on the voyage to Port Jackson and also in the Colony is a very, very interesting one. Though it appears she has taken the place of her birth to her grave. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney Australia Regards, Janice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie Thompson" <lt030329@bigpond.net.au> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Doughty and Macginnis (Mcguiness) > Janice . A lot of Tipperary men and families went to london that time span > if the were in the building trade because london was having a building > spree . They would also require labourers . also they joined the British > army and could have been transferred to london . I have examples in both > categories . Laurie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Janice Doughty > To: cotipperary@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:15 AM > Subject: [COTIPPERARY] The Doughty and Macginnis (Mcguiness) > > > Good morning Janet and Listers, > > Back in 1985 we received an invitation from the O'Dochartaigh Association > to > attend a very "large" Dougherty (and all different spellings of the name) > family get together in Donegal/Derry. Sadly, we were unable to make it, > as > we still had all the children at home with us, and too many commitments > and > last but not least, no spare cash to make the trip. > > So far my husband's Doughtys have been traced back to Terrington St > Clements > and Walpole St. Peter, in Norfolk England. We have been able to reach > back > to Robert Doughty marrying Alice Gathercole in 1807 in the church in > Terrington St Clements, and stop there. Between 1872 and 1880 five > Doughty > brothers sailed from Portsea to make their life Down Under, one Robert > John > Doughty and his wife, who was his first cousin Hannah Doughty, were my > husband's g grandparents. > > However, we can go further back in history and find two Doughty brothers, > Thomas and John who were close friends of Sir Francis Drake, serving with > him on an expedition when five ships sailed from Plymouth in 1577. One > of > the objects of the voyage was to discover the legendary continent of > "Terra > Australis Incognita", (as we know that failed and it would be another 203 > years before Captain James Cook met the challenge and discovered "The > Great > South Land"). Things started to go wrong on the voyage, and Drake > charged > Thomas Doughty with treason and mutiny. Drake had Thomas arrested and > set > up a Court of Law, Thomas was found guilty of mutiny and sentenced to > death. > He was beheaded and his brother John had to witness his brother's > execution. > So the mystery is, does the name Doughty have an Irish connection or not? > > We do also have another Irish mystery to solve, again connected to my > husband's paternal side of the family. He has three convict ggg > grandparents > transported to the Penal Colony of Port Jackson (Sydney). One Elizabeth > Macginnis of Middle Street London near Cloth Fair, must have been Irish, > as > was her husband or we believe they were, however we have no way to prove > it. > > Here is the story, Elizabeth 42 was tried at the Old Bailey in 1816 with > her > husband Daniel Macginnis 40. Daniel was acquitted, however Elizabeth was > found guilty of receiving a roll of stolen clothe in 1816 and sentenced > to > transportation for 14 years. She was taken to Newgate prison to await > the > ship that would transport her. However, before she sailed her husband > Daniel > died, and her two children Thomas 6 and Elizabeth 4 were sent to Newgate > prison to be with thier mother. The family sailed on the female convict > ship "Friendship" and arrived in Sydney Cove in Jan 1818. > > Elizabeth gave their religion as protestant. However, on the 1828 Census > held in the Colony, Thomas now 18, has his own Merchant Store on the > corner > of Castlereagh and King Streets in Old Sydney Town and with him was his > ex > convict mother Elizabeth 53, his sister Elizabeth 15 and three Government > Servants (convicts). Now here is the interesting bit, the three Mcguness > (the name no longer spelt Macginnis) family members give their religion > as > ROMAN CATHOLIC. The story goes, that Protestant convicts had a better > time > of it, than those who were Catholic, and a worse time if they were Irish > Catholic. We believe Elizabeth lied about her faith, to make things > better > for herself and her children, when details were taken from her for the > Indent. Our search now, it to try and find Daniel and Elizabeth (nee > ????) > roots in Ireland and was it usual for Irish immigrants to make their way > to > London to find work? > > Regards, > Janice > Belrose-Sydney > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> > To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > > > > Janice, please pass on to your husband that he will be looking for > > Doherty/Dougherty when he gets over here. That gets mangled, too. Can > > you tell us about them, too, please? > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Janice Doughty > > <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> Good morning Listers, Janet and Seamus, > >> > > SNIP > > I am looking forward to visiting Ireland > >> to walk in the footsteps of the ancestors, with my husband, who wishes > to > >> research his Doughty connections. > >> > >> Thank you for the suggestions and comments, I will have to get the map > of > >> Ireland out. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Janice > >> Belrose - Sydney > >> Australia > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Seamus Moore" <somoore@iol.ie> > >> To: <cotipperary@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:52 AM > >> Subject: Re: [COTIPPERARY] The Scanlan/Scanlon Tipperary Story > >> > >> > >>> Hi Janet & Janice, > >>> > >>> There is only one Kilmaloge in townland index of 1871, but is spread > >>> over > >>> the three parishes. It is situated where the three parishes > (Ardfinnan, > >>> Derrygrath and Rochestown) meet. The index gives areas of the three > >>> sections > >>> as 559, 127 and 16 acres each which add up 702 acres. On my 6 inch > >>> ordnance > >>> survey map the area is shown as 697 acres. Kilmaloge is about half > way > >>> between Caher and Ardfinnan. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Seamus. > >>> > >>> Seamus Moore, Dublin, Ireland. > >>> Researching: Moore, Anderson, Myles, Tobin, Norris, Goldrick, Tynan. > >>> somoore@iol.ie > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: > 30/04/2008 6:10 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > COTIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >